Dannel daniel. In 2008, i want to get this right, you thought hillary would make an excellent president. As recently as 2012 you thought she would be terrific. What happened. Let me just explain to you. When i was a businessman i had a beautiful story trump a worldclass businessman all over the world, i speak well of everybody. They ask me about hillary, shes wonderful, everybody is wonderful. Including contributions. I give everybody contributions. You were full of [ bleep ] when you said that. Thats one way to look at it. Its thursday, happy thursday. May 26th. Okay, now, stop it here. With us on set veteran columnist
and msnbc contributor mike barnicle. Where have you been . Paris. Thats kind of nice. Cofounder politico jim. Where have you been . Working and doing secret things. Then theres donny, we know where hes been, former advertising executive and marketing Donny Deutsch. And al hunt with us. Good to have you aboard. Obviously, a lot to get to this morning. Good news obviously. A lot of front pages, Hillary Clinton coming under intense fire from her own state department faulting the clintons on the email server. Theres the the front page of the New York Times. Also, of course, on the front page of the wall street journal. That is the big news today. Lets start there. She was hoping to have a big endorsement, United Auto Workersand 400,000 members. Thats pretty big. Instead this report from the Inspector Generals Office of the state Department Took the narrative in a very different direction. The report concluded she violated federal records act by not turning over all official emails before she left office. The report found there was no evidence she requested or received approval to use her account for official business. Clinton all along has maintained the use of her server was allowed. My personal email use was fully above board, allowed by the state department as they have confirmed. What i did was allowed by the state department but wasnt the best choice. I have been as transparent as i could be. You said it was allowed. Under the rules of the state department. Nobody signed off on it. No. It was allowed. One of my predecessors have done
the same. Others in the government have done things at high level. Because the rules did change after i left the state department. At the time and in prior years, the rules allowed it. As i have said many times, it was absoluted permitted. I did it and it turned out to be a mistake. It wasnt the best choice. Jim, first of all, we said all along the state department didnt allow this. People at the highest reaches of the state Department Said she never asked us, its not allowed. They kept saying it day in and day out. They talk about trust. Here we have donald trump who on a lot of issues changes with the wind and is accused of not being honest and trustworthy. You look at poll numbers, his numbers are horrific, just as
bad as Hillary Clintons and this is yet another nail in the coffin. Look at the clips, shes not telling the truth, i think shes trying to convince hers. She said it was authorized, its okay, not a big deal. The report says, no, no, no, youre wrong. This is her state department. She ran the state department. The ig running the investigation. You have two candidates who 60 of the people think dishonest. You look at this week of the campaign. Its going to be a battle of negativity. Clinton maintained the server was never breached. The report tells of one incident that an adviser shut it down under concern it was under attack. Footnotes tell of an incident
that Hillary Clinton was concerned someone was hacking into her email after getting an oom with a suspicious link. They should be notified. In the report, no evidence the secretary or her staff ever reported the incident. Donny, this goes to National Security. Biggest concern is National Security. People act like theres much ado about nothing. Actually a lot of classified documents, materials going through the server. The great fear all along that a home brewed server in chappaqua, new york, was going to be broken into. Not a knife to the heart but a flesh wound. In the advertising business brand positioning, brand support. If her brand is
untrustworthiness, this is one more in there. This is going to be equally gross counterpunching. How would donald trump have reacted if this happened to him. He would be saying, emails. Youre kidding me. Me, colin powell, made a mistake, look at Hillary Clinton, she killed convenience foster. The difference is trump, no matter what you throw at him, hes got the counterpunch. No matter what you throw at hillary she never has a way of swatting it back. Its not devastating, if the game is to make trump less temperamental and less emotionally unstable, you could move the needle. Here is the problem, though. Trump, he lies about trump success. He lies about some of the success of his business
ventures. He flip flops on issues where he was a reality show host when he took those positions. And it seals like its down here. With Hillary Clinton you have an honest and trustworthy issue involving classified emails, classified information and 22 emails that the state department itself said were so classified that sending them public would have a devastating impact on Americas National securi security. When were talking about honest and trustworthy, i dont know she can go hulk hogan and get down in the mud on an issue like this because the stakes are so much higher. Weve been talking about the top of this story, headlines of this story, lead of this story. Within the report there are other devastating issues. The fact she declined repeatedlyInspector Generals request for an interview. Of other secretary, colin powell, condoleezza rice, all were interviewed. Goes to that bunker mentality of secrecy that led her to do this in the first place. In june 2011 the state department, secretary of state, sent out a cable to all consular and diplomatic posts urging them and commanding them, basically, to stop using home email for anything having to do with state department business. Yet she did not follow that edict. A cable under her name to every diplomatic and consulate post in the world. So when she says it was allowed. She never asked for permission. The Inspector General stated she never asked for permission to use a personal email and he added that if she had, the state department would have declined permission. Hes salivating. Hes not only got lyin hillary hes got dangerous hillary will
shes dangerous. She cant be president. Entitled. Hes got 10 new words for her. By the time this is done, it will seem like according to trump she sent directly to putin emails she wasnt supposed to. You know, joe, what this could really mean, i dont know how the public reacts to this and goes, whatever, turn the page and go to the sport page but adds to the weight of voter exhaustion when it comes to the clintons and these a huge burden for her to carry. A lot of her supporters, both politically and in magazines and on paper say this isnt going to have a big impact outline, a big impact on hillarys numbers. Who cares about the emails. What we believe and what weve seen is you go to the subset question of ones and trustworthy. It has had a devastating impact
on that. Lets remember Hillary Clinton was a woman with Approval Rating around 65, 66 when she left the state department. Her numbers have plummeted. And in large part ive got to believe because the drip, drip, drip continues of this. Again, its not from breitbart, its not from drudge. This started with New York Times and here we have Hillary Clintons own state department issuing pretty devastating review of her use of these emails. Joe, i think this and the wall street speeches are responsible for tag her from 60 approval down to 30 approval. I think it really is serious and it raises another question, what kind of people, what kind of advisers does she have . Why didnt someone say, im sorry, madam secretary, you should not do this. She shouldnt have done it but she should have had people around her raising questions,
enablers, that raises questions about who is surrounding her. I agree with everything said. She broke the rules. Thats really bad. The really big issue here is did she break the law and that will be determined in the next couple weeks. If that should happen, which i actually suspect they will rule she didnt, joe, but i dont know, if that should happen it would be lethal. Lets go through some of the details here that are troubling and definitely conflict with what she said before. Clinton campaign released a statement that said this. Inspector generals documents, just how consistent her email practices were with those of other secretaries and senior officials an state department. Even thats not accurate. Remember i said the remarkable thing about the clintons during the 1990s, government reform and oversight committee, they would bring in
people like Bernie Nussbaum who would lie to us. You were there, jim. In a lot of these hearings the people on the podium would be laughing because they knew they were lying. Bernie nussbaum would be smiling because he knew he was lying. Everybody in the crowd was laughing because they knew they were lying. They would come and tell fantastical tales everybody knew wasnt true. It would happen week in and week out. I dont understand why you put out a Statement Like that. Stop digging. Stop digging. I screwed up. Im terribly sorry. I hope the American People will forgive me and i hope they will let us move onto the issues that matter. Stop lying. Stop digging. A spokesman for Bernie Sanders said, quote, the ig report speaks for itself. Donald trump, well, he relished
the story on the campaign trail. She had a little bad news today as you know. Some reports came down that were not so good. Inspector generals report, not good. But i want to run against hillary. It could be were going to run against crazy bernie. That could be. Crazy burnie. Hes a crazy man, but thats okay. We like crazy people. I hear they want to put biden in. I hear they are going to actually slip biden in and hes going to take bernies place. Mika, a typical response we have come to expect from mr. Trump. I think he was tame there. Crazy bernie. But he likes crazy guys. Crazy guys are okay. Im just saying. Joining us now from capitol hill politicos rachels bay
reporting on the email server. In your article you highlight this particular exchange, november 2010 when emails to Department Employees were not being received. According to the Inspector General, clinton was urged to use state email or to release her email address to the department. Clinton responded writing, quote, lets get separate address or device, because i dont want any risk of the personal being accessible. What do you think is the significance of that exchange. Theres actually two things significant about that exchange. The first one being this an email we havent seen before. Where has it been the whole time . Did the state department have it or not release it or turn it over. An if change with one of her close advisers, houma abedin. It speaks to the conversation saying she used this personal email server for convenience. Here her response basically is shes worried about privacy issues. She doesnt mention anything about convenience. Theres another problem in the story i highlight that i think really speaks to contradicting information. Clinton has said all along that theres been no evidence of hacking, which, of course, the fbi is looking to see if anybody got ahold of now classified information. It turns out that one of bill clintons closest staffers who set up the server and set up her email, emailed houma abedin said, listen, were getting hacked. I need to shut down the server, it got hacked twice in one day. Houma rooechd out to staff, one of her top policy advisers said, listen, since were getting hacked dont send, quote, Sensitive Information to the
secretary. Had the clinton team not repeatedly denied there had been any hacking concerns . This is exactly right. Theres been no evidence of hacking. Could she say my staff never told me about this . How many people would believe this. If her closest staffer and bill clintons staffer knew about this. Cheryl mills knew about this. I. T. Guys emails are gone, wouldnt he be in charge i. T. Emails scrubbed. Am i bringing in something random, the guy who set up the server, wasnt he given immunity and they cant find emails were destroyed. To trump on this. This is bigger news for trump than hillary. If you didnt have a candidate like trump, this is baked in, we move on. Hes going to be like a dog with a bone. Picture in a debate and she says something. Well, mr. Clinton, how can we believe anything you say . Can you tell us more about the emails. To your point, which is interesting i hadnt thought about before, joe, rare point, in citeful. Coming from intellectual heavyweight like you i appreciate it. Trump its reality star stuff where the stakes, no pun intended are are hillary. Also what was said about the iraq war. Rachael, you were going to say something, the guy whose emails are lost, am i correct these are still lost . These are the man who set up the server who is not talking, at least publicly. Thats correct. I reported on this. His technology at the state department was seized. Its unclear if those emails were deleted and cant find them or the fbi has his technology and backed up on that
technology. Another thing interesting, people at the state department, lower level employees who heard about her use of email and server brought it up to bosses and said, we dont think this is allowed. How are they doing this. They were told basically sit down and be quiet, its none of their business and never bring it up again. Who said that to whom . Its unclear exactly who testified to ig but two separate employees on separate occasions brought this up to their boss. By the way, their boss was called into the Benghazi Committee and told the Benghazi Committee, this same gentleman, he couldnt remember anything about this. Wow. The official said at the time, the exact quote in the report, never to speak of the secretarys personal email system again. Exact report. Well find who that was. Rachael, thank you very much. Thank you so much. As far as trump goes, the thing i see, his response last night was just a rambling respon response, just sort of word salad as usual. You sit and wonder mike barnicle, is bib ever going to be able to sit down with donald trump and say you actually have a chance because of the problems that your opponent is having to be the next president of the United States. Do you think now may be the time you stop winging it, you stop attacking some of the most important republican governors in america, that you stop playing this like youre in a wrestling match in like a ditch on the side of one of your golf courses . How much longer is this going to go on before somebody over there gets serious about the fact that this man is running for president of the United Statesand not the next ceo of wwe. Joe, ill tell you one thing, the world is aware that donald trump is running for president of the United States. Millions and millions of people in the United States are aware of that. The media has got to do a better job than weve been doing. The vince foster quote is a flair sent up in front of the media. Its difficult to pin him down, its difficult to get him to answer a question. We all know that. But we have to do a better job at this. How many narcissists do you know that change their behavior, recidivists do you know that change their behavior and its working. Thats why hes done it. After ohio this is a guy, as you said, this is a big ego, i know, you dont. As long as his numbers go in the right direction hes going to say screw you. Thats what i would do. Watch the full speech. It wasnt just an attack on Hillary Clinton. He went after mitt romney,
saying he looks like a penguin, went after three politicians, called Elizabeth Warren pocahontas. He called hillary a low life. Again, hes been saying, people around the campaign have been saying hes going to make the turn. Mika weve been saying time and again, he said it to you, hes going to make the turn. Any turn he made, actually, has been much, much worse. It reminds me of the two weeks leading into wisconsin. He had a devastating result in wisconsin. He cleaned up after wisconsin, started acting more president ial and started winning states again. So here we find our selves at the key moment for him where hes got to turn that ship around and start getting people across the rust belt. We have a poll on that. Women and others more comfortable with him. Hes just going in a different direction. When do we make the decision in the media, editorial decision to stop carrying aspect of the trump dump, daily aspect of the trump dump. It will never happen. Sounds good. I agree with the critique, you think tv will stop airing him. Hes great box office. By the way, its not that hes great box office. I can name you 10 candidates that rated higher than donald trump. Chris christie always outrated donald trump when he came to the show. Its in the numbers. Bernie sanders always outrated donald trump when it came on the show. Its the story. What he says so inflammatory, attacks Susana Martinez, female hispanic head of the governors association. Thats the story. Unbelievable story. We have to cover that. Hillary clinton attacked the
head of the Democratic Governors Association we would have to cover that. In trumps mind hes a benevolent bully. He gets to do what he wants. Look, guys, youre in this business. Were going to cover it, were not going to stop covering it. It