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MSNBCW Morning Joe June 24, 2016 10:00:00

Ladies and gentlemen, dare to dream. But the dawn is breaking on an kingdom. We fought against the big banks. E we budget against big poll tucks. We fought against lies, corruption and deceit. Lets get rid of the flag, the anthem, and all that has gone wrong. Let june the 23rd go down in our history as our Independence Day. I think the country requires fresh leadership to take it in this direction. I will do everything i can as Prime Minister to steady the ship over the coming weeks and months, but i do not think it would be right for me to try to be the captain that steers our country to its next destination. It is a historic friday morning as were following breaking news overnight. The uk has voted in favor of leaving the European Union. Prime minister David Cameron says he will resign as his nation moves forward. The result of the referendum is triggering fallout in Financial Markets around the globe. Could have a big impact politically here at home. Donald trump is in scotland and is set to speak live any moment from now. Good morning, its friday, june 24th. Joe and moika are off today. With us today is nicole wallace. Msnbc contributor mike barnacle. The president on Foreign Relations richard hass and steve rattner. And msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. In london, katty kay. So lets lay this out and get to our panel of experts. The uk has voted in favor of leaving the European Union. About 42 voting to leave. 48 to remain. 1. 3 million votes separated the side. Only yesterday a snapshot of polls showed favoring remaining. But one of the richest economies will be leaving the eu. Nigel, the leader of the Independence Party calling for new leadership. Make sure we have a Prime Minister and a government that carry out the wishes of 17 Million People. Whether thats mr. Cameron or not, im not so sure. My feeling is the Prime Minister could have risen above the fray. He chose not to. I think he probably has to go. I think we have to have a brexit Prime Minister. A lot of voters did it reluctantly because they believe the fear mongering. All of that is wrong. I would say to all of them, were living in a 21st century economy. We have just broken free from a back ward failing political union. The world is now our oyster. This morning the head of the eu trying to calm europe said in a statement, what doesnt kill you makehouse stronger. Global trading markets are down big. Much of the world in disbelief. Joining us from london is keir simmons. A remarkable morning there. Reporter really remarkable. Right now the Prime Minister is with the queen for an audience with her majesty. You bet the prime conversation will be about his plans to resign and what has gone on in the past 24 hours. Lets lay it out. Any one of the things that happened in the last 24 hours could have been a major story on another day. Britain voted to leave the European Union. The Prime Minister of britain says he will resign. The leader of the opposition party is faising calls for him to resign. Leaders in scotland are renewing their u calling for those countries to go it alone around europe and other leaders say they should have a referendum to break away from the European Union looking at the split of europe. Stock markets are falling. The british pound dropping more than the 1970s. Thats why theres so much uncertainty. Thats why theres a sense of turmoil u. Thats why markets are reacting so badly and people should worry for what this means for the 401 k s and american jobs. Nbcs keir simmons is live in london. Lets go to katty kay. Youre stunned by this. Yeah, i am pretty stunned. The opinion polls over the last few days had suggested that britain would vote to rehan. Im also surprised by the degree to which this country is divided on this had issue. Its become an angry debate and half the country has won and half the country has lost and well have to see whether those two sides can live with this outcome and be reconciled. Were also facing the prospect of Scotland Holding a referendum and they will break away. Were looking from the United States point of view and a special relationship with england, wales and Northern Ireland. Its a shrunken country washington will have to deal with and we have had Officials Say issing that this doesnt necessarily mean britain will be the first port of call when it comes to National Security issues. So the huge story this morning is the markets and uncertainty that the United Kingdom faces, but the longterm story u is what does this country, which has been part of some form of European Union for most of my lifeti lifetime, look like in the future. Richard, you have been up all night watching this vote by vote by vote. Do you share her surprise at the outcome here . To some extept, but i have been following the polls really closely and the brexit vote had more energy, more likely to turn out. The remain case was feeble most of the time. The government did not do a good case for basically failed to make the case. Also the voters saw this as a bielection, a referendum. You didnt get the sense people were going to the polls and weigh the consequences. It was a way u to send a message to the government, to an unresponsive, undemocratic eu. I u dont think people were thinking about what it was they were setting in motion. Its one of the dangers of having this kind of referendum with permanent consequences when people wanted to send an immediate message. Do you have any idea of the breakdown . Who was the lead voters . Hopefully we can show a map later. Its basically shown up a a generational split between older voters, some of whom are immigrants who voted to leave and Younger Voters under 30 who pretty much overwhelmingly voted to remain. The country is divided geographically but also on generational lines now as well. Thats the other part is geographic. You had london and scotland. So voting in favor of brexit. Its one of the reasons i think not a lot in life, but its high uly likely you have a second run at a scottish referendum. This time those in favor of leaving will take the high road. They will say we now have a real argument. We would rather stay in argument than stay in the United Kingdom. And my guess is this time it will prevail. Dont think it stops there. The United Kingdom will not only be a new United Kingdom, but theres a good chance the stability thats come to Northern Ireland over the last 15 years could be placed in per ill. The leader has already said he wants to now have a border vote about whether Northern Ireland should join with ireland. They can argue this is to stay in the eu. They have been critical of the eu, but this is the way to achieve their goal. Imagine the kinds of divisions that will reintroduce into Northern Ireland. You get a sense that the threat of this sweater called the United Kingdom is being yanked with historic consequences. Steve rattner, uncertainty, whats the Immediate Impact of this . One of the things that made this such a shock that as recently as the end of our day, marcus tught this was going to remain. So this was a shock on top of a shock in that sense. Although the reaction today as ugly as it is is a tad less than i would have guessed. I want to e add one more on the risk pile. Whatever happens to the uk is a big deal. But the real potential unraveling here is with europe. Because you have already had calls in the netherlands on why should we be here. The far right party in france saying why should we be here. You can see a complete unraveling of everything that europe has spent the last 60 years trying to put together. To use the word shock, i looked at the polls. Werent they tied at the whole time . Are people stunned by the margin or the decision . The polls were very close, but for those who are creatures of markets, the Financial Markets were all treating this as an 80 probability they were staying. The markets were lulled into complacency because the last few elections including the scottish referendum, the polls suggested preference for change. Then after the election, obviously, scotland stayed. Same at the last british election. People got yauzed to british poll hs a structural bias that seemed to suggest change when it argued for continue ity. Thats exactly why the markets didnt show this. Talk about the contagion effect on the rest of europe. The european project, to use the phrase, began after world war ii. The idea was to knit together germany and france in such a way that war would become unthinkable. And you went from the coal and Steel Community to the European Union. But what im worried about is this is going to become the high warner mark. You begin the process of going back to some forces in the netherlands possibly, france, this doesnt happen in a vacuum. This happens in low economic growth, the return of russian challenges to europe and krooi moe ya and the rest of ukraine. Above all the massive influx of refugees. This is but the latest blow to the whole european idea. So i think it would be wrong to simply sit here and say its britain only. I actually think in every country u in europe that are part of the eu this will have tremendous ripple effects. Britain always stood itself one distance removed from the rest of europe. First by not joining the common currency. There was a famous newspaper headline in the 20s that went fog covers channel. Europe cut off. Britain thought of itself being removed from europe, not being totally a part of europe. I agree with richard. This is going to have far ranging repercussions for the european project. The european project has had its share of problems already. They failed to integrate their economies. So sitting in britain and see an economy thats growing reasonably well, unemployment low, and you look at the mess they call Continental Europe at high unemployment and all the rest of it, its not hard to see why they came out where they came out. One more interesting number. 72 voter turnout. 72 . Gene robinson, this triggers this vote article 50, which means there are two years for the eu to make some kind of deal to try u to save this in some way. Will the eu fight this . If so, is there any point to that . What can the eu do . The eu will say dont let the door hit you on the backside as you leave basically. Britain has always had this ambivalent relationship with europe. Britain kind of saw itself as an Aircraft Carrier positioned off the european continent with links to the United States. A special relationship with the United States. And didnt join the kucurrency union. Didnt fully participate in europe. Nonetheless, this is such a huge deal. And i think the immigration question and the refugee question were very important in this. Britain has not been flooded with refugees the way germany has and other countries have, but there was a fear of that. There was a sense in britain that immigration was driving down wages and all sorts of things that donald trump says in this country. So again, were going to have to get to the obvious question about implications for us. What does this sort of populous uprising mean for the United States and does it suggest that theres more of that out there than the polls might be measuring here in this country. Britain wasnt floded with immigrants from the middle east or anything like that, but britain was heavily there were a large number of immigrants who did come to britain under the eu rules. You can go to any other country and britain population of foreignborn people more than doubled since 1990 from 6 to 13 . This contributed of our way of life is changing, our culture is changing, our jobs may be threatened. Brexit wont solve that problem. To maintain economic relationships with the eu, they are going to have to remain relatively open. This was not a clear debate about the facts. Its a practical matter now. If they successfully leave the eu, they have to renegotiate country by country every trade deal, right . And british law isnt in place to do it. Britain is basically understandably franchised out a lot of legal and financial machinery to eu regulations. And suddenly theres going to be something of a vacuum. This is going to be a complicated divorce. He mentioned denmark, italy and the netherlands as being the next countries to exit. Is is there any political message or political organizing behind the exit Movement Across europe . Or are they all individual movements within individual countries . There are some united things. They are suffering from low growth. They are worried about immigration and refugee issue has probably poisoned european politics. And also the eu is wildly unpopular. When i was a College Student in england, the eu is something that young people my age would go out in the streets and support. Whats happened over the last 20, 30, 40 years is the eu has lost the popular imagination. Its seen as distant, not transparent, theres the socalled democratic deficit when people feel they can influence. The eu is going from something thats popular to something thats elitist and disliked by a lot of europeans and brits. Thats a common thread. You left out one small piece, which is the economics of all this. There is a belief and i think a fact that britain pays in more to the eu than what it gets back in subsidies. Part of the whole eu is where we try to level the Playing Field for countries that arent as well off. We are talking about a twoyear slow closing window. What happens immediately and what happens as it linkers month to month . The union made it clear if britain decides to leave, has decided to leave, they want them in or out fast. They have also made it clear they want to send a message to all those other countries that you just mentioned where the population has suggested that they would like a referendum of their own. I would throw sweden in that mix as well. The terms of this divorce are not going to be easy on the uk. They want to show those count countries, listen, dont think if you have your own referendum if you leave this is going to be an easy future for you. So whether it comes to trade, whether it comes to immigration or Financial Services, free passage, free movement, right of residents for living in the European Union, all those things were not clear about which is why you have financial uncertainty in the markets too. Its a definite ploy to say, look, this is what you chose. Its not going to be easy for you from now on because we want to send a message to those other country toos. Divorce is messy and its going to be messy here too. We have only just scratched the surface. Still ahead on morning joe, a live interview with senator Bernie Sanders. He will be here onset. Well ask him about this and a lot more. Also jillian teft and austin gools by on the decision to leave the eu. Plus chuck todd covers the political impact here at home. And well have live coverage of Donald Trumps News Conference. Hes in scotland. That will get started in just a few moments. And a live report from katy tur. But first, bill karins with a look at the forecast. Two confirmed fatal ities frm flash flooding. One was an 8yearold boy. Theres a third child that was swept into the waters thats still missing and havent found him yet. But they had to call off the search during the dark overnight hours. They will be out there at first light. The pictures from the area are dramatic. There are many areas that saw water rushing down right through the main downtown areas. So theres a lot of water damage out of this too. Theres even one picture just a whole town flooded there. This is West Virginia. There was also video of a house that was floating down the stream in one case. So again, this is not going to be the case as we go throughout the day today. We are going to be watching Severe Weather in the carolinas. Wind damage will be the threat and small hail. All the way back to charleston and myrtle beach and columbia. As far as the weather goes over the weekend, hot weather continues over the southern half of the country. And as we bo into saturday, watch out for severe storms. Minneapolis and duluth and sunday, chicago up through the great lakes and even st. Louis could deal with severe thunderstorms. Time those out so you can avoid those for your outdoor weekend plans. But well give you updates on the West Virginia story. 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