Counseling. And donald trump is set to receive his Second Intelligence briefing today. The republican nominee will receive the information sometime this morning in new york city. Trump got his first intelligence briefing last month. And that does it that does friday, im betty nguyen. Morning wbr id wbr180 joe live from washington starts right now. I know you had a meeting this week. I did. I had a meeting with great people, great hispanic leaders and there certainly can be a softening. I dont think its a softening. But 11 Million People are going to be deported. Where is the softening . Oh, theres softening. Even to see there is really quite a bit of softening. Its just so confusing. Softening. It goes. Hardening. Softening. Softening. Hardening. Good morning, everyone. Im saying. What is it . Its either one or the either. Itser definitely not a firm b
stance. I think because its going to be theres just nothing firm about it. Its just one day hes here and one day hes there. I heard he is called amnesty don. Wbrid wbr780 you know, that could catch on. You guys might be starting something viral here. So, here in washington and with us on set in washington, senior Political Columnist for National Journal ron and associate editor for Washington Post and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. Washington anchor for bbc world news america katy kay and msnbc political analyst and former chairman of thorepublican National Committee michael steele. This is like a swan song. Right here. This would be like if we were in abbey road lisening to the
beatles like finish recording the end and ringo is doing his drum solo. This is a little overstated, but okay. Ron, this is your swan song. Ron who . All of america is saying ron who . This is your swan song. Your last day covering politics. Im heading to detroit on sunday and starting work at cranes on tuesday. Congratulations. Thank you. Im going back home. You would think were here for your swan show but i was here for my mom. Emily brzezinski and a great turnout and we saw some really beautiful pieces, again. So, want to thank George Mason University for having us. Lovely evening. I wish theyd show some art. A lot of people hugging each other. I want to see the art. A lot of hugging. Look at that space. The space is incredible. Their art center is extremely impressive. Don, the curator the lighting is incredible. There you go. You get a better view of exactly how they set this up. Can you believe her . She works with a chain saw and an axe. Dont get in there when shes doing that. So, anyway it really is. Through october 7th. You can see. Lets talk really quickly, mika, about it is so, at least to me obvious what donald trump is doing. Hes throwing the red meat out to the big audiences, but then hes coming back and saying, no, no, no, theres going to be a softening. Though it seems indecipherable what hes actually saying is were going to go after the bad guys that are here. Right. The people that are living here peacefully are going to get to stay here. Hes basically adopted Barack Obamas position on illegal immigration. Then nothing will have to change. Its basically is what it is. Gene, thats the thing. Goes to mexico and plays mice and throws red meat out in the crowd and is going to be tough and says, no, were going to be soft. You can believe whatever you want to believe. You can believe whatever you want to project on donald trump as his immigration position. You can believe so. At this point you decipher it all. Its very obvious. Hes got Barack Obamas position on illegal immigration. Were going to throw the gang members and the bad guys out. Already the priority for deportation. And then he said, were going to sit back. Just going to sit back and see what happens for everybody else. Then work on the eventual disposition of the others, right . Which means theyre going to be here. Theyre going to be here. He has also said at other times were going taget rid of them and the ones that have overstayed their visas which is Something Like 4 million. Thats not the case any more. Thats not the case today. What we dont know from donald trump if that is the case tomorrow. Thats the problem. We cant say this is Donald Trumps final immigration policy. No, no. It changes every day. But this friday, this is where we yes. I mean, can i say the tweet about the four hours that the guy said yesterday. Yes, absolutely. He said if you have a policy position thats hardening for more than four hours, you should consult a physician. Because it moves so fast youre trying to figure out. Yeah, i think we all saw the tweet yesterday, but, seriously, four hours. He just keeps changing. He cant pass four hours. You were about to say something. Let ron this is his last day. Let him get a word in. Donald trumps policy isnt o Barack Obamas policy. His policy is to try to turn us
against each other so that he can win the presidency. What he doesnt understand is not enough white people in the country for him to win with that kind of policy. That is his policy. That has been his policy. The problem is now he has problem saying you are going to lose and expand your base and he just cant seem to get there with any consistency. Recall the policy of what it is. After giving a pro deit portation speech on wednesday night he laid out a policy of no legalization for the millions of undocumented within the United States, yesterday trump again said there is a softening. Take a listenening. The line you were softening on immigration and then come out with a very specific, very pro enforcement plan last night. Where is the softening . Oh, theres softening. Look, we do it in a very humane way and well see with the people that are in the country, obviously, i want to get the gang members out and the drug peddlers out and the drug dealers out. We have a lot of people in this
country that you cant have and those people will get out and then were going to make a decision at a later date, once everything is stabilized. I think youll see there is really quite a bit of softening. Were going to get rid of all the bad players that are here. The gang members, the gang members and the drug dealers. After that takes place, which will be a process and wont go that quickly, but go as quickly as any human being can do it. After that takes place were going to sit back and assess the situation and see where we are because well have people in the country that, you know, that have come in illegally. Were going to sit back and assess the situation. Were going to make a decision at that time. So, again, katy, thats Barack Obamas position. Were going after the gang members. That may be weaker than Barack Obamas position because barack obama, i think he supported more more than our president. That is actually softer. Im serious, a softer position
than what barack obama is taking right now. Barack obama is known amongst hispanic as the deportation president. They dont have much love for what he has done deporting as many hispanics as he has. Not clear for donald trump when he says were going to sit back and wait and let the position stabilize and then well decide. What does that mean . That could mean anything, right . We dont know. What it means is that he is trying, michael steele, to move off of his hard core, were going to deport everybody and, i mean, you cant believe anything that hes saying here because hes changing so quickly. The one thing we know is he has moved from his hardcore Deportation Police position. And trying to prove to white voters hes not a bigot. Theres the triangialation. Thats it right there. He started this thing 1,000 Miles Per Hour in which your base got on the train with they
the road with you. Then you realize you come up on this curve called the rest of america. Or reality. You have to slow this sucker down some kind of way. You realize its not 1864, is that what youre saying . Yeah. Well, some hispanic leaders who have been advising trump say they feel betrayed following his most recent comments on immigration. Trump surrogate steve cortez told msnbc last night that most of trumps hispanic advisory had urged the candidate to soften his policy prior to wednesday nights speech while his former Campaign Manager said trumps target audience wednesday was not latinos. I gave him advice on immigration, as did other people on the council. He didnt take all of it. Yout know what, im not the candidate. He is. If you look at the polling data, he has about an 18point lead in the demographic of white
males who are voting in this election. Hes going to run an 18point lead on Hillary Clinton in that particular demographic. That speech is clegeared at tho individuals and he locked them in for the election. One thing, that demographic may be correct but the demographic is white suburban women. Not white men. And, so, with 18point, you know, lead with white men, thats great. But, gene thats not going to win the election for you. I think the concern is that when it was seen he was softening that that 18 . You heard limbaugh start to mock him and ann coulter start to go wobbly and heard the hard cores on this start to attack him. So corys exactly right. That speech in arizona was to tell the white guys, hey, its going to be okay. Most of that speech, except for that one line that we might
wait later. The rest of that speech, especially the tone was clearly aimed at shoring up that demographic, which he must have thought was getting wobbly. You guys are doing a great job analyzing this. Thats all i have to say. Thats what were doing because it is the reality. There is confusion inside of the campaign dont confuse that for confusion outside the campaign. Theyre trying to confuse it. Theyre trying to do two things at once, mika. They believe there is a method to this madness and it is just madness. Theyre sending mixed signals to both sides. What im saying its really generous that there is even a method here. There is a method here. You keep saying that we shouldnt talk about it, but we should talk about it because there are two things that are happening at the same time here. One, theyre worried that when he does soften his position to try to expand the electorate that he loses his hard core base that got him elected. If he doesnt get all
republicans, he loses. Its just that simple. So, theyre trying to do two things at once. He doesnt have the discipline to stick to one plan. Well, all his heart is what he was like in arizona. Thats who donald trump is. Thats what he feels about this issue and that is where he is most comfortable. Then some advisors come in and say you have to soften. He doesnt really feel it. The donald trump we saw in arizona is the donald trump who seems happy in himself appealing to that base. There really isnt a policy and build a wall and deport 11 Million People. We all know that. It isnt going to happen. Even if he is elected it isnt going to happen. What is so startling as you suggested, its the tone. The most striking thing that divides donald trump from regular, normal politicians and certainly from Hillary Clinton is how he speaks about people who are not like himself. Its his tone. Hes trying to do two separate things, but we can make things clear to the American People. He is doing one thing. He is dividing us and using bigoted language to turn us on each other. Thats why i say thats the bottom line policy. Lets talk about what is in his heart and what hes trying to do. I just dont even give it that much credit. Okay. Meanwhile, im not trying to be anything, i have lost sort of hope that there is anyone talking an actual strategy and a real focus and theres nothing. You get a look at the person at the top of the ticket. I am. Thats who you look at. There are people around him, i guarantee you, that are telling him to soften his position on illegal immigration and he just cant do it because he is drunk. Right. By the crowd applause. Okay, right there, you nailed it. Now, thats analysis right there. Hes drunk by the crowd applause and, so, if making racist remarks gets people turned up. Then he will do that. That is what i think is going on. Thank you. Meanwhile, another trump surrogate well, im sorry. The elevated conversation where theyre trying to do two things and a strategy here. No. Lets keep what else you got . Meanwhile another trump surrogate Marco Gutierrez made this argument for trumps immigration plan. We need to understand that this is a different time and were having problems here. What problems . What problems are you talking about . My culture is very dominant culture. And its causing problems. If you dont do something about it, youre going to have taco trucks every corner. First of all, let me tell you, that sounds like an america i want to live in. I had one at my daughters Birthday Party, best day of my life. Im having im having a Birthday Party. I dont even know where to start. Yeah, no, im having a Birthday Party. A late Birthday Party for kate. You should get a taco truck. Thats what she wants. I had one for carly, it was amazing. If i keep letting come in i wont have to rent a taco truck. Michael steele, is that live television. I didnt understand was he threatening or was that a good thing. His reaction, you did not. How is that even a justifiable argument to pose its not. But more problems for donald trump and hispanics. Taco trucks. Thats why, thats why, see, thats where i am right there. Where you are. Everyone look at michael. And now i was traveling yesterday. I havent heard that. No, seriously. Like what do you have to say . There are no words. Thank you. For that one. That is the analysis of this entire campaign at that point. There is nothing. You know, ron, this is beyond. If you take everything thats happened, this is beyond amateur hour. Its not. And it is the worst, its just the worstrun campaign. You look at all the changes in modern american history. The candidate at the top of it is the most undisciplined in modern american history. They are doing nothing right. They dont have a ground game anywhere. They dont even have representatives in key counties across america. They could not, seriously, its like somebody getting ready for the olympics and just sitting and eating bonbons and cheetos. And, yet, as the race begins, theyre, in fact, tied with Hillary Clinton. I know a lot of clinton people. They are in effect tied with Hillary Clinton. It is too close to call. Youve got yet another poll that just came out that were going to talk about in a little bit that shows theyre both distrusted equally. And here it is. This is the usa today suffolk poll is hillary honest and trustworthy 31 . Trump 31 . Stunning. It is beyond stunning that as bad as donald trump has been and as bad as his campaign has been, Hillary Clinton is keeping this race close. Why . Well, ive been begging her
publicly since early 2015. And many of her friends and fellow democrats have been begging her privately to be honest with the American Public and to stop dragging out the email and the foundation scandals. You have known for a long time and you respect her and respect the president. You went down and worked when they were in little rock covering little rock. Why cant she do that . Why cant she hold a press conference and say, here i am. I will answer every question you have. The good, the bad and the ugly. Its too late. Lets go why she didnt do it at the u. N. News conference. When i wrote that day, you have two options. You can come out and say here is my server. Im handing this at the state department where it belongs. These are the people documents. Theyre not mine. Those republicans, theyre not only after me, but theyre after all the good things im going to do for the country and i didnt
want them to undermine me and my cause. But i need to be better than republicans. Im giving these documents back to the American People. Do you know what would have happened if she done that . By Political Consultants and we would have moved on to something else. What she did was the exact opposite. She couldnt do that. What was on that server was stuff about the very core of what this is about. Its never been about benghazi and emails, its been about that foundation. What i wrote the week before was an anonymous quote and talking people close to both clintons. Including one that said we have to follow the money. What this is all about is the intersection with the foundation money. She still could have done it. She had to do it. Thats not only how you win the presidency but how you become an effective president. You cant lead the country when this many people in the interest of the public and the interest of transparency
would never set it up in the first place. What she was trying to do was protect. Great point to end. We have to get to another big story. The numbers show hillary with a lead of couple points here, couple points there. Does everybody agree around the table as labor day starts and the start of the campaign that this is basically a jump ball. Yes. I see, i see a lot of like the New York Times has it up at 80 for hillary. That way of calculating. I dont think its a jump ball. Advantage hillary clp. I think advantage hillary. I think the state is an advantage. I think its a jump ball. I think the advantage that hillary has still rests in the electorate map at the moment. Well see what happens there. What do you think . I wouldnt put it at 80, but id put it at 65, 35. Mika . Maybe. Too many unknowns for people
supporting Hillary Clinton. Too many unknowns about what documents will keep coming up. Theres just been a nick a day, a bleed a day. If this continues and if you believe what wikileaks is saying, were going to get more of these into the fall. I think that makes it an even race. Lets table the conversation for there because one other big story to get to. Overnightfallful was hit with its first hurricane in more than a decade