We need people to step up. You see that happening in Corporate America. The tables are turning. I was going to say, willie, that they intended evil. They intended to pull this country back hundreds of years and actually if you just look at the headlines from yesterday, what they have done is something quite remarkable, these neonazis, these fascist, these White Supremacists have united the community in charlottesville and even united some raspberepus and ill just say one or two, marco rubio on the forefront. If every republican would show the courage that marco rubio is showing right now, i think the Republican Party might even be okay, but there are too many cowards there that are just saying we oppose neonazis. Guess what . In 2017 it gives you no credit. You have to be courageous enough to do i said marco but john mccain and others have shown the courage. Donald trumpthe coast guard the commandant of the marines coming out saying if the president wont say it, well say it ourselves. I was reminded a little bit of charleston two years ago when they talk about this grace, where do the people find this grace when you have the family of the victims of the emanuel ame coming out face to face with the young man who killed their Family Member saying we forgive you, we have to heal, healing is more important than our gaanger. You heard that from heathers mom yesterday. Im so glad willie drew a Straight Line from what happened in charleston to what happened yesterday. Isnt it amazing that instead of having tiki torches, as our preacher would always tell us, hold the candles high and punch holes in the darkness. And you just may see the beginning of that happening right now. It was very moving and it was i thought yesterday especially sus susans eulogy began to redeem what has been a shameful chapter in the history of our government. Its not over but. Mike barnicle, the Business Community responded almost immediately. There was a domino effect and as the New York Times said, even one of Donald Trumps closest business allies, Steven Swartzman saying enough. And wrote a state for the Business Council saying we dont want to be associated with racism, bigotry, hatred and disbanded the council. Of course, the president showing absolutely no class rushed to tweet that he was disbanding the council that had already disbanded itself. You know, joe, in these darkest hours of these truly dark days, america comes out like the sunshine comes up every morning. It comes out from the pulpit of that church yesterday where a victims mother speaks as eloquently and as meaningfully as she did about the death of her daughter, something i dont think any of us can comprehend as parents. I cant imagine it. It comes out when members of the military issue statements about what this country is all about, equality, lack of prejudice. America comes out when you see the Business Council saying, you know, this is just a bit too much for us and they issue statements. It does not come out, unfortunately, in the words of the president of the United States. But the optimism about this we should reflect i think more on that because the brightness of america, weve seen it displayed in the past 24 hours, weve seen it displayed and its stronger and more powerful than anything that donald trump has said thus far. And it does seem that at least for now the center can hold, the center is holding and this center will hold. Kasie hunt, youre on capitol hill. There was concern before donald trump decided to show moral equivalency between racists and fascists and antiracists, but i guess from all reports and from what youre hearing on the hill right now and what youre hearing from republicans, its bleak. They they they dont know what comes next for the party that a lot of them feel Donald Trumps destroying. I think that there is a very real private, however, sense of i dont know if i would go so far as to call it despair but at the very least deep confusion and uneasiness with how to proceed with this president. I think that a lot of people on capitol hill, look, they care very deeply about this country, thats why theyre in politics and i think a lot of them were hoping that they could wait out President Trump, but it has g gotten so hard in these particular days i think your point about the center is true. Its gotten deeper than a fringe of voices. They have been given a megaphone that is bigger. And that is the difference. George h. W. Bush in his response to david duke stood in that deep, wide center and this president is off on the side. Except for a few voices among the republicans, were not seeing profiles in courage at all. I cant believe im saying this but follow the lead of Corporate America. Corporate america is doing the right thing. Cant believe im saying this. And the military. And theyre both way ahead, much more in tune. Yeah, the military, the Business Community. Big business. Thank you. Can you believe im look at marco rubios tweets, john mccains tweet, charlie dents tweets, look at the few republicans that have actually spoken out. You got to say his name in your tweet. Just going racism bad, not good enough. You have to say donald trump cannot continue to pre descri p and comfort to neonazis, White Supremacists and fascists. The underlying story right now is the Republican Partys search for its own conscience. Theyve got to get rid of a certain element. Its time. I talked about marco rubio. I saw a tweet, marco rubio in february of last year saying basically we cant elect a racist. I have retweeted several times throughout a column i wrote for the Washington Post in february of 16, this man is using racism to get elected and talked about him attack being mexicans, talked about him attacking muslims. I mean, everybody knew this. Ive written it four or five times. In december of 2016, i said on the set i can never vote for anybody pushing a muslim ban. This is what bothered me about the Republican Party, they wouldnt criticize him for racism for getting ahead. It was racist with judge curial. We said it here. This is what it leads to. They would express their outrage and not specific outrage. They sort of pretended it want there. Then he gets inaugurated and they kind of pretended that it would go away or he would become a different person or it would get better, better, better. As far as i can see. He wasnt in control when he was inaugurated and he seems to be spinning further out of control. On that note, believe it or not, theres a lot of news this morning. The first there was Anthony Scaramucci and the have you noticed mooch is looking very statesmanlike now. Everybody is making fun of the mooch. The mooch knew when to hit the eject button. Now the mooch looks not that bad. We have a pet we named the mooch. Yeah, the mooch. Starring dean rush. Now steve bannon has given an interview to a leftleaning outlook. When pressed about his role about the fomenting unrest and the recent violence in charlottesville, he said he dismissed the far right as irrelevant and sidestepped his own role in cultivating it. Eth knownationalism, its losers. Its a fringe element. I think the media plays it up too much, and we got to help crush it. These guys are a collection of clowns, he revealed. The democrats, he said, the longer they talk about identity politics, i got em. I want to talk about racism every day. If the left is focused on race and identity and we go with economic nationalism, we can crush the democrats. Bannon made similar comments to the New York Times. Prum by asking where does this all end washington, jefferson, lincoln. I cant get enough of it. Bannon discussed internal divisions. He said National EconomicCouncil Members opposed to taking hard line on trade with china wrote, oh, theyre wetting themselves and then said im changing out people at east asian defense, im getting hawks in. And he said of staking his own territory, thats a fight i fight every day here. Were still fighting. Theres treasury and National EconomicCouncil Chair gary cohn and Goldman Sachs lobbying. Sounds like he thinks hes the president. The white house apparently called to praise him for a recent piece. Here we go he said, quote, in kim trump has met his match. The risk of two arrogant fools blundering into a Nuclear Exchange is more serious than at any time since october 1962. Bannon reportedly explained on the phone that the u. S. And chinese economic war approaching an inflexion point and one of the two nations would emerge as the hedgeman 25 years from now. Quote, contrary to trumps threat of fire and fury, bannon said there is no military solution to north Koreas Nuclear threat, another get it. Until somebody shows me the situation where that ten Million People in seoul dont die in the first 30 minutes of nuclear war, forget it. They got us. Lets start where he calls his boss a blundering fool and then undercuts his military strategy by saying that dont listen to him, hes lying when he says theres going to be fire and fury. Ive been critical of him for trying to undermine the president S National Security adviser, hes going straight to attacking the commander in chief and if the mooch had to leave, how does steve bannon stay for this interview when hes undermining directly, katty kay, what the president came out and said last night, when he talked about fire and fury, he said, oh, please, that was all talk. He said theres an economic trade war with china. What is the future of steve bannon now that this is public . Its interesting. His firm belief that the only thing that matters is the economic trade war with china. But criticizing the president directly and going against him effectively saying there is no fire and fury, that is all bluster on the part of the white house, how does bannon survive it . Its clear the president has strong reservations about getting rid of him, or wise he would have done so up until now. Whether thats because he fears having him on the outside or because they do genuinely still have this relationship that they have over nationalism. Ckatty, he called him blundering fool and a liar. The president , like him or not, he is trying to push back north korea from using Nuclear Weapons and continuing to develop Nuclear Weapons and you have somebody inside the white house that is undercutting his strategy. What more damage could he do on the outside than hes doing by calling him an idiot on the inside . Youve been saying this for a long time, joe, that bannon is exa acting like president bannon and the real president has not got i dont know rit rid of him. There as got to be a reason that trump is very reluctant to let bannon go. Maybe this is the test of john kelly. Can john kelly demote or fire steve bannon. If it going to happen, it going to happen soon after this interview. This is what he does all the time. He leaks to everybody and he leaks as if he is the president. This is what im going to do next, this is what im doing over here. I dont have to worry about jared because im going to wrap the russia thing and his neck so much hes going to sink to the bottom of the ocean. Thats how he talks to the media off the record. He is leaker number one. And it is remarkably, the reason im been calling him president bannon is because he talks in that interview like he is the president. You can definitely hear that. For more joining us from capitol hill, jonathan swan, who has his own reporting on what happened and whats next for steve bannon. Jonathan. Thank you. Well, i do just want to correct one thing. It want actually bannon calling trump the arrogant fool, it was the author of the piece who wrote a column saying that. That doesnt make it that much better because bannon called him to praise the column so its not like its a huge difference. Really bannon was telling allies last night that he didnt believe it was an interview. And some people are rolling their eyes and others are saying this is some kind of fivedimensional chess. Honestly, the looseness of it, if it was just the sort of sum of the Economic Warfare stuff, i would totally believe he was doing this to send a signal, but the parts of it that go beyond what bannon would ever say on the record are the bits where he does sound like hes the president , where hes talking about personally moving stuff around and particularly the bit where he undercuts the president on north korea, which is the bit that really caught his colleagues attention. You said he actually called the author and praised him . He saw an ally on china. He thought the author and him were of the same view on china. Bannons a china hawk. He thinks that america is in an economic war with china. He sees this as the most important issue. I could actually see bannon almost not thinking of this guy as a reporter but rather an ideological ally, even though ironically hes at a far left publication. I know that sounds crazy but honestly, it my honest reading of what happened here. Jonathan, theres another part of this given what weve been talking about all week where bannon says we have to crush the white naggism, he calls it a collection of clowns. My question is why didnt they crush White Nationalism when they had a chance on saturday. If presumably hes an al lie, why didnt they come out and say that on saturday when they had the chance and why didnt he say it the other day at trump tower . Why isnt he celebrating what donald trump said this weekend and on monday. I think people give bannon too much credit as an adviser to trump. When he said he hasnt spoken to steve bannon about charlottesville, thats not true. My reporting says they spoke saturday, sunday, monday. Bannon cheers it on and thought it was the right response to condemn both sides but this is trump. The idea that bannon is some sort of puppet master directing this, its not true. Its trumps core instincts in his gut. All right. Willy. What about the idea that bann bannon, so how does that sound to donald trump . I dont know. As we says a couple months ago, oh, did would, its always i, i, i. You remember at the President Trump press conference, President Trump was pretty icy when asked about steve bannon, he called him mr. Bannon and he said, quote, well see what happens. Youre fired. Jonathan ax john doud echoed secession iist ideals. Dowd said, quote, youre sticking your nose in my personal email . People send me things, i forwarded them. Then he hung up. He forwarded something that would have been said by a secessionist after the civil war in 1870. This is unbelievable. Michael schmidt in addition to a serious misreading of history, john dowd, who you know as johns work with major League Baseball, as a lawyer and all of that, this is really surprising that it would come from him. This is the president s lawyer that did this. This is not just a political ally or anything like that. This is the guy who is supposed to be in charge of defending him and dealing with the Robert Mueller investigation and here he is very early in the morning taking this email and pushing it out to a group of influential people, a guy at dhs, people in the media, people at the wall street journal, people at fox, getting this message out there. The question is even if he didnt read this, he is the president s lawyer and hes pushing this message, a controversial message which secessionists really relied on and what people used to build up robert e. Lee. Obviously robert e. Lee fought the United States where George Washington sort of founded the United States but they put them on the same level playing field. Heres who are somebody and then loses his mind. Loses his mind and may destroy his career. Hes done work for imagine League Baseball . Yeah. Hey, guess what . Hes never going to do work for major League Baseball again. Not like this. Because he has forwarded what many would consider a White Nationalist document. Do they actually think in their brain that relittle gating the civil war is something we really ought to be doing for the next three and a half years . I kind of hope not. Its not going to come out any differently if we start arguing about it again. It happened and it happened a certain way and you just really cant say George Washington, robert e. Lee, gee, hard to choose. Michael schmidt, any someplace from dowd or anybody close to dowd why a formerly respected attorney would send out a secessionist document and something a document that White Nationalists would cheer . The sense that i had last night was that the white house was relieved that there were no white house officials on the email. It not like that was forwardedoning to them. It clear why he would do this nixons lawyers put a line between policy and representing nixon. They never wanted to get involved, they wanted to stay in the legal lane han didnt want to have themselves in a situation which they were this is clearly a political issue and here is dowd trying to push out the message that what the president had said is. Hey, michael, what was the source of this email . Im curious to know where this came from and with why the president of the United Statess personal attorney would elevate it to become a talking point t