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Former GOP representative Joe Scarborough and Mika Brezinski interview newsmakers, politicians and pundits about the issues of the day. Was obvious the meeting was to get information from foreign nationals which is a crime. Lawyers running around collusion is not a crime. Anybody knows a low he ranking congressman like i was in my first year understood you cant get an in kind contribution from mullahs in iran or Vladimir Putin in russia. Thats right, joe. The president is concerned. Hes anxious, fearful about where this is all headed. His legal team is focused on that Trump Tower Meeting as they have been for some time. Thats a key moment in the mueller investigation. Our reporting, despite what the president tweeted in response to it very much is that hes worried about don junior, expressed that worry to people hes been talking to on the phone, privately brouting about this. Mueller seems to be inching closer and closer to the oval office, to the people in the president s circle. Thats why you see the President Lashing out at twitter, lashing out at the campaign rallies, tweet about the witch hunt more and more, tweeting about Robert Mueller more and more and more. Thats how hes channelling all that frustration and for. Its important to keep reviewing the facts as the president and others try to muddle them on twitter. The new yorkers adam staved son lays out the facts about which theres no dispute at all, that the president and top advisers knowingly met with officials connected to the russian government hopefully to obtain dirt on their political opponent. That document stolen and were later used in an overt effort to sway the election. These are facts, that when the Trump Tower Meeting was uncovered, the president instructed his son and staff to political scandal, at the end of the day, it may not be the crime, but the coverup to the crime that does the most damage. We have all this in broad daylight. Donald trump lying through his teeth about this meeting specifically from the beginning. Thats the principle point of danger for mr. Trump right now, what happened after post meeting. We know for a fact, fac t, he sat on Air Force One and helped prepare a false statement. Richard, this further im meshes him into, not collusion, but a conspiracy. Harkening about watergate, its about what you did and then what you do about what you did. When you read the law, it never says money has to change hands, it can be a contribution of any sort. Power of the office of the presidency, but it cuts even deeper than just simply the symbolic significance of that office. It cuts to the heart of who we take ourselves to be as a democratic society. Not only was it conspiracy to defraud, hes aiding and abetting, and undermining of our democratic society. Whats interesting, i keep going back to this page 379 in Michael Wolffs Fire And Fury. Bannon blowing his stack over this meeting and what they did on the airport. He said donald junior will crack like an egg. Michael cohen will crack like an egg. Bannon said way back when whatever we think about that book, bannon expressly said that this would be the problem, this meeting right here. And you can disregard so much, kasie hunt, of what bannon said. You can disregard so much of whats in Fire And Fury if you want to, but bannon was dead on there. I actually talked to a Reporter Back in march or april of 2017, and i asked who do you think is in the most legal jeopardy. His response, don junior. He knew about this meeting. None of us, though, knew he was in close with the trump campaign. He knew about the meeting. And if he knew about the meeting, you know muellers team knew about the meeting. There is no doubt for over a year the mueller team has been looking at don junior and this meeting and the setting up of this meeting and how excited he was to have this meeting and considered him to be perhaps of all the people around donald trump, the person in the most legal jeopardy. Joe, think about Robert Muellers broader strategy as a prosecutor. He has shown throughout this investigation that one of the most effective ways for him to put pressure on the principals hes interested in going after is to go after their families, to pressure Michael Flynns son, for example, to pressure Manafort Paul manaformanafor daughter and soninlaw has come under pressure. It shows you that this is working. This is his name sakes son. Those tweets reveal this president has been pushed farther than he has ever before and this is really getting to him. Thats not an accident. Thats a strategy. Hey, phil, ive got to ask you just because your team, your paper, you all have done some of the best reporting on this and done the reporting on this particular case that seems to have triggered the president. I find it one of the most extraordinary iron anies of this whole thing, by writing this tweet out of concern for his son, donald trump has made his sons situation worse by effectively going on the record and saying his son, in fact, was doing something that was illegal. I want to ask you in that context what do people around the president think comes next, given one of the things that triggers trump most is the possible jeopardy of the people close to him including his family, what do they anticipate will be the next stages of this, as trump starts to lash out on twitter, how far do they think he will go to try to protect his son, soninlaw, daughter, anybody in bob muellers crosshairs. John, its entirely speculative. In truth, they dont know quite how far the president will go. Theres a couple of things going on here. Theres a general feeling on the legal team, at the white house, generally speaking, that there could be a big shoe to drop from mueller in the next couple weeks before labor day, he may have another round of indictments and take some action before the Midterm Campaign season really kicks into gear, labor day, at which theres an expectation that mueller would go dark for a little while until after the election. The second thing going on is trump is currently weighing whether to sit down with mueller for an interview. Those discussions are going on right now as we speak over the next few days. Hes expected to decide he and his lawyers have been disagreeing about this. The president wants to talk to mueller for the interview. The lawyers obviously dont want him to because of all the potential problems the president could create for himself if hes not truthful. We know hes not always truthful. Washington post fact checker has over 4,000 miss truths and lies so far. Thats what youre seeing fueling the president. A larger universe that havent spoken about. Its the universe called america. Right now america is being led by a man who uses his public appearances at rallies across this country, first time in my lifetime, first time in anyones lifetime, that the president of the United States uses these appearances to foster hate, division, unrest, and you just wonder now really the impact of that. I wonder about it, about the impact of that much more so than these legal things that hes going to go through, obstruction, whatever you want to call it, conspiracy. This is really a Pivotal Moment in the course of american history. It really is. There are so many different americas. Its a big place. I remember during the bp spill and we looked at the sewage the oil coming out of that pipe at the bottom of the gulf. And somebody that was a lifelong resident of the Gulf Of Mexico was concerned. We were all concerned. We read articles about how that would destroy all life in the gulf for 50 years to come and shrimping industry would be wiped out. Well, its a big gulf. It went away. Thank god it went away and hopefully there wont be too much contamination about it. But there are different americas. There is the america of Donald Trumps white house. Theres that reality, something that we focus on an awful lot because its our job to focus on it. The russia investigation is extraordinarily serious. The violence he does to constitutional norms, extraordinarily serious what he says about reporters, extraordinarily serious. We focus on that. Most of americans arent focusing on that right now. They are still focusing on their job, their paycheck every two weeks, how their Small Business is doing, are they going to be able to comfortably afford to send their kids back to school in the fall, are they going to be able to get a new car . By that standard, a lot of america is thinking things are going pretty well and no, im not going to be watching donald trump at a rally, im going to watch the office, modern family, a movie on netflix. Thats sort of what i found during impeachment. We were all going crazy up on capitol hill. Most Everybody Else during that time, the kids were out of school. Theyre getting ready for christmas. They were focusing on things far different than what we were focusing on. It doesnt mean what we or talking about, mika, right now isnt extraordinary important. I think it is. As far as history goes and government goes, it is the most important thing, and we have to talk about it. People have a responsibility to talk about it. We do have to understand that for a lot of people donald trump is an entertaining side show, perhaps a maddening side show, but they see a very Strong Economy. Its going to be a question, do more of those people go out in november, or do more young people, black voters, hispanic voters that have been insulted, Muslim American voters who have been told you dont belong in america, do more of those voters go out and say, enough, this Isnt The Land that we read about growing up. This Isnt The Land that is framed by the statue of libbert. Well see. Theres no doubt right now its a little complicated out there and either party can win. A lot of folks are busy with their jobs. Our jobs are to ask the questions which well continue to do. Philip rucker, be thank you and your reporting. Mika, also, what our jobs are, too, to watch the yankees and the red sox. Well, there is that. Richard, let me tell you something, 162 games as you know, this time yesterday, this time yesterday 40 years ago the Boston Red Sox were 40 games ahead of the New York Yankees and then a guy named bucky dent came into fenway and hit a home run. It aint over, richard, until its over. But just between you and me, its over. Joe, i thought you were a bigger and better man. If it makes you feel big to go after me today, i mean really. Its really all i have in life, richard. Still ahead on morning joe, trump says he likes mike. Michael jordan says he likes lebron. How the president s attempt to divide sports fans, backfired completely. One of the folks weighing in on that, the expresident of iran who stepped up his twitter trolling over the weekend. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. Call in the next ten minutes. And if thats not enough, well look after your every dollar. Put down the phone. And if thats not enough, well look after your every cent. Grab your wallet. 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A spokesman saying he supports james adding hes doing an amazing job for his community. First Lady Melania Trump commended james on his school. Her spokeswoman maintained in a further statement that mr. Trump was not taking sides on the matter. Kind of like the United States saying on december 8, 1941, we or not taking sides on the matter. Over five years ago, he tweeted congratulations to king james on winning athlete of the year. Lebron is also a great guy. You can almost hear this guy sounded like an old, grumpy, white racist grandpa in queens or in alabama yelling at his tv said saying this black man is stupid, that a black man is stupid. First youd say, gee, boy, hes really losing it because who would be that racially insensitive to do that, but no, its his strategy. Its what donald trump thinks. He told his staff members, basically attacking black athletes, thats really good for me, thats really good politically going into the midterms. I think youre right, joe. Remember the speech in alabama when he went after nfl players and called them s. O. B. S. Its a Situation Trump is most comfortable, especially when hes in trouble, to to be the cultural warriors that speaks to the Dark Underside of this country. To go after lebron revealed very clearly a pattern, a pattern that speaks to his on going belief about black folks and women in particular because he has this pension to describe black people as dumb. He has a tendency to describe women as dumb, not just Maxine Waters, but women in general. So it seems to me this is trump being the cultural warrior. The irony is this is the man who founded trump university, this fraudulent thing. Here is lebron james opening up a Public School in cleveland. You couldnt get a better contrast of moral human beings. And every phase of their life, mike barnicle. By the way, mel len dwras spokesperson can say she cuss on the trying to get involved, but she got involved in the middle of it and chose to side with lebron. Joe, this gets to what we were talking about before the break and what eddy just spoke about. Race remains now and forever the third rail of american life, not american politics. We really dont have a handle on it. We have a leader, the ostensible leader of the United States of america, the president of the United States, who continually plays with it and provokes people with it. Its truly dangerous and its going to end even more badly than it is right now. It would be bad enough if it were restricted to africanamerican athletes and to africanamerican women, female members of Congress Like Maxine Waters. Think about it. You have barack obama, the first africanamerican president of the United States, hes from kenya. Maxine waters, shes an idiot. Blackwater, idiot. Black after countries, s holes. If you think of anything in political life, cultural life, gloenl life that associates itself with dark pigmentation, the president of the United States thinks theyre idiots, evil, fraudulent. Its not just a pattern that extends yes, hes obviously mao maoing Colin Kaepernick and africanamerican nfl players and lebron james now. He doesnt restrict himself to one species of africanamerican, or one category of africanamerican. If youre black, the president takes a crap all over you. This gets to your point about toxins. Its the most consistent thing in your public profi

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