Camp. Remember that . President trump is now deploying the American Military to the border, roughly 470 troops for every one migrant who was charged the last time a caravan approached in april. But the president might not think thats cynical nativist move is enough tore for his base a week ahead of the election. Well tell you what he just told axios about his impending intent to sir couple can vent t circumvent the constitution. We have with us richard haas, caddie kay, Jeffrey Goldberg and jim van dehei with us. Joy, here you go. Isnt it something that every president , every campaign will have their closing arguments. And you can go back and whether it was becky quick arack obama reagan, they always had and their parties always had their closing argument. This is why you should reelect us. This is our message. This is who we are. Now, normal times, the republicans would use that tax cut that they passed. Thats was supposed to be their Supreme Court argument. Perhaps donald trump bragging about making the judiciary, you could go down the line of things that you would expect the economy, this president to use as his closing argument. But what donald trump and what the Republican Party is using is racism. You see it with donald trump saying hes going to circumvent the constitution with a he cant do that. You have people on right wing talk radio and right wing tv talking about the small pox that we eradicated that was, oh, migrants are going to bring in small pox and other diseases. You have the most outrageous claims of president s talking about tent cities. And get this, james mattis couldnt even talk donald trump into keeping enough troops, 2,000, 3 h,000, 4,000 troops in syria to defeat isis and push back iran, yet hes sending 5,000 troops down to the border when that is not what our troops need to do. Our troops need to be home with their families. These people are thousands of miles away. But, again, its not about anything other than appealing to americans most basic race instincts. We have a new poll were going to talk about that shows Donald TrumpsApproval Ratings dropping which is not a surprise given his dreadful performance over the past week. The pentagon announced it will deploy 5,200 additional troops to the southern border by the end of this week. In response to nothing. Its incredible. The announcement marks the largest Quick Deployment of u. S. Active troops since the response to the 2010 response to the earthquake in haiti. Exceeding the combined u. S. Military footprint in iraq and syria. Just take a second and think about that. That is absolutely insane. Theyre going to be staring across the border at nothing. At the wall. And they will be do it. The day after the election we, theyre going to Start Talking about pulling them back. This is an election ploy and its a pathetic one because now donald trump is playing with the lives of the men and the women of the u. S. Military. At a time when weve had a terrorist attack on our democracy and on Top Democrats and trump critics, were focused on the border. The top u. S. Border security official estimates the size of the original caravan at 3,500 people. President trump tweeted yesterday, quote, many gang members and some very bad people are mixed into the caravan heading to our southern border. Please, go back. You will not be admitted into the United States unless you go through the legal process. This is an invasion of our country and our military is waiting for you. You know, mika, this is such a lie. Again, i just how stupid i mean, how stupid does he think voters are . But, you know, its worse than that. As weve already mentioned, yesterday we saw some people on fox news seizing on the issue of this phony caravan trying to underscore their point in a way that really sort of sounded like certain regimes in the 20th century that we dont want to even bring up. Take a listen. What about diseases . Theres a reason you cant bring a kid to school unless hes inoculated. Theyre coming in with diseases such as small box and leprosy and tb that are going to affect our people in the United States. We simply cannot tolerate the continued invasion in this country when americans are suffering every day, the National Debt is exploding. We have diseases spreading across the country that are causing poliolike paralysis of our children. You cant very well blame that disease on illegal immigrants. We dont know the cause of it. Willie, this is dumb founding. Fox news is now claiming that these migrants are so devious that they have the power to bring small pox back to planet earth. Ive just got to ask how stupid do we think they are and then i think about Sarah Sanders talking about donald trump winning by a massive number of votes and suddenly you realize jut how stupid they think there are base is. Its all very insulting. The last known case of small pox we just had the 41st anniversary, it was october 31st, 1967. A hospital cook in somalia was the last known case of small pox. So lets just put that out on the table. And, joe, as we talk about this and we talk about the troops, for a man and the president who talks about how much he loves the military, he sure doesnt show them much respect here by spending 5,200 of them to the border in a place where theres already 2,000 National Guard troops and the Border Patrol. Does the president not have faith in his great Border Patrol that they can do the job that they do every day . They have the people, they have the weapons if they need them, they have black hawk helicopters. They can control 3,500 people now and it will like le ly be m than that when it reaches the border. I think this is disrespectful to the troops hes sending down there. If you just take recent history, theyre suggesting that 12 people trying to come to america getting arrested is going to relaunch an epidemic that hasnt been around since 1980. Again, you look. It is a concerted effort to donald trump, his administration and fox news to whip up a frenzy. Now theyre talking about small pox. Theyre not only talking about small pox. I note for the record that theyre talking about leprosy which i think is interesting. Leprosy, of course, is the most famous disease in the bible and i think they are trying to actually trigger people who are bible readers and religious people to think that in effect the caravan or the invasion or whatever theyre calling it is bringing biblical sized plagues to america. Its not unclever. I mean, its built on falsehoods, obviously, but its not an unclever play. Note that this issue is really remarkable. I sometimes feel like were in a movie with about a cynical political manipulator who is doing whatever he has to do to get through the midterms. The border is well guarded. Millions of people cross that boarderer every week legally. This cara van is a nothing burger, but its very, very useful right now. You look at what donald trump is doing, you look at what fox news is doing, this is idiocracy. They think that their base, they think that republicans are so stupid that theyre going to believe all of this. I guess well, you know what, though . Not everybody at fox news would have been allowed to star in mike judges film, because shepp smith, once again, told the truth as shepp smith always seems to tell the truth about this socalled fantasy caravan. Take a look. Tomorrow, the migrants according to fox news reporting are more than two months away, if any of them actually come here. But tomorrow is one week before the Midterm Election. Which is what all of this is about. There is no invasion. No one is coming to get you. Theres nothing at all to worry about. When they did this to us, got us all riled up in april, there was 14 arrests. Were america. We can handle it. Hey, mika, i have two words for you. Hotty totty. The people at ole miss have to be proud of shepp smith because while people are spewing bs all around him, lying, and, you know, Jeffrey Goldberg talking about, actually, hes talking about the bible, obviously, the people that are are getting that are hearing this dont read the bible that much, if they believe it, because, my god, the whole new testament. You look at the story of the good samaritan, you look at matthew 25 which, of course, somebody tried reading to Jeff Sessions and he had them arrested. I mean, thats where we are right now. A guy tried to read one of the most important scriptures in the entire bible, jesus message on how you enter the kingdom of heaven and for doing that, Jeff Sessions had Police Officers coming in and arresting him. No, no, there is nothing christlike about anything that were seeing here, but tell you, shepp smith right there, he told the truth and i know a lot of people in mississippi have to be proud of him. Well, i just am not sure what happens with other anchors and hosts and members of the media community, journalism, what happens when they say things like the things they said that im not going to repeat that we just played on this show. I dont thats not responsible. Well, what about the president saying he could change the constitution. Thats who theyre echoing. With an executive order. Here is what the president told axios jim van dehei last night. Take a look. On immigration, some legal scholars believe you can get rid of their rights to citizenship without changing the constitution. With an executive order. Have you thought about that . Yes. Tell me more. It was always told to me that you need a constitutional amendment. Guess what . You dont. Thats in dispute. You can do it with an act of congress. But now theyre saying i can do it just with an executive order. How ridiculous were the only country in the world where a person comes in with, has a baby and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States for 85 years with all of those benefits. Its ridiculous and it has to end. Have you talked about that with counsel . Yeah, i have. So where in the process its in the process. It will happen. With an executive order. Thats what youre talking about. Thats an interesting question. I didnt think anybody knew that but me. I thought i was the only one. Oh, my god. Mr. President , i know that sometimes your memory is a little you talked about this before. I think you talked about this in 2017. Im not sure of the exact year. But mika, you cant change the constitution with an executive order. The president says the constitution is ridiculous. Well, its been around for a couple couphundred years and it done already. So jim van dehei, as we watch this last race to the finish line with racism sirens ringing loudly, did you see when you and Jonathan Swan were talking to the president . It almost seemed like and i wonder if you would concur that he was making stuff up as he went along. I dont think he understood what he was talking about because if he did, he would understand you dont do that. I think its the opposite. I think hes been thinking about this for the several weeks. Hes been talking to lawyers externally and internally. I think even the stuff he sees on fox news, i think he believes this. I think theres parts of it that are no doubt propaganda. I think theres parts of it that he thinks is happening. The interview was fascinating. It will be on sunday. But it turned into a very, very tense argument about a lot of things hes saying and doing and the guy just believes it. Like yes, part of it is for show, but part of it, you can see it in his eyes, this is his heart. He does not feel like he has an obligation to bring anything down, any temperature down. He feels very passionately about these things that hes doing and it looks like hell try to proceed with this. Most lawyers that we talked to dont think you can do this. There is the 14th amendment that says if you are born on u. S. Soil that you are a citizen of the United States. You about, again, like on immigration, this is one of the topics he has been fairley consistent on and hes certainly getting i think a harder edge on it as you get near the election. And i think a lot of the fox viewers, they believe it. They think thereses this threat. Shepp smith put it beautifully. Theyre months away. Were going to have 5200 people or 500,000 people backing the border he. We have a pretty secure southerner border for all this nonsense that we have to build more and this and this, its a pretty fortified border. Sure, theres people that occasionally get through, but now youll have three lines of defense for a couple of men, a couple of women and a couple of pickup trucks. Willie, what have we been saying for two years . This entire thing is a farce. There has been a net immigration flow for a couple of years now. Yeah, for several years. It ticked up last year under President Trump, ironically. So now he can say its gone up last year, well, it was under his administration. If you listen to what the president said about getting rid of birth right citizenship, this has been around for a long time. They ever introduced legislation several times to get rid of this. But put all this together, what the president is doing right now, floating the idea of getting rid of birth right citizenship and sending 5,200 troops to the border. There is nothing random about this. It all fits. For your entire lifetime, for mine, for everyone on the set this morning, the principal debate in europe and the United States was about the role of government and the economy. How much market versus how much state. What were now seeing is a rotation politically. That is no longer the principal debate. The principal debate in europe and the United States, the real fault line that gets people going is this issue of openness, how open are we to people, how open are we to trade . And its this issue of National Identity versus internationalism, globalism, if you will. So what donald trump is doing is he is mining that fault line. He is working it, whether its birth right citizenship, whether its sending troops to a border thats not under siege, but it swung the vote in brexit. Thats what happened. It swung the vote across europe and it has a powerful, galvanizing effect here. This is where we are now. This is a fundamental political change, a real transformation. In the democratic world. And were no longer arguing serious issues about how to regulate our economies, were no longer arguing serious issues say about how to fight the cold war. We are arguing questions about National Identity and its not that far to get from that to issues of racism and everything were seeing now in western societies. And joe, again, do you want 5200 people at the border and get rid of citizenship or do you want small pox and rapists flooding in. This is incredible. Weve been saying it nonstop. If people dont have a google machine in their house, they can go next door and check everything he says here. Use the president s own government statistics. You will find 3. 1 of the people that came in last night, the numbers are so small and, again, the cara van in april, 12, 13, 14 people arrested by the end. It is ridiculous. Lets follow up in a minute on what richard haas just said. Angela merkel saying shes not going to run for reelection, also, of course, david duke and a lot of White Supremacists, a lot of White Nationalists praising donald trump for his language. Were going to talk about pittsburgh, going to be talking to caddie kay about not only what is happening here but across europe when we return on morning joe. From shark, from shark, and our newest robot vacuum is no exception. From floors to carpets, it tackles all kinds of debris, even pet hair, with ease. But what about cleaning above the floor . Thats why we created the shark ion robot cleaning system, our innovative robot vacuum paired with a builtin powerful shark handheld. The shark ion robot cleaning system. One dock, two sharks. 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Hes just playing the fog horn for them. Trump embraces nationalism in a massive jam packed 99. 9 venue in houston. Zio journalists a