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MSNBCW Morning Joe November 5, 2018

Nbc News National political reporter heidi przybyla. Good group this morning. What a great group. Boy, as we get into the home stretch, it is so tight. Its tight. Dan rather said tight as a tick hes got so many. Mike, what was the what was the famous hollywood line that says everything you ever need to know about hollywood goldmans line, nobody knows nothing. Nobody knows nothing. We will. Steve kornacki, you look at the polls, obvious republican trend after kavanaugh, seems to be a slight democratic trend now, slight, but everything is locked up. If the republicans have a better turnout operation that swings it by one or two points they keep the house, if the democrats have an adequate turnout operation they even swing to maybe one point, they take the house, but it is so tight. This could be either way. The numbers im seeing, its fascinating, because in our j generic ballot democrats have the sevenpoint advantage. They cant just win that house popular vote, they probably need a pad of a few points. Theyre getting it in our poll. We have trumps Approval Rating at 46 which is as good as its been in one of our polls since hes been president. That nbc poll seems way out of line with the abc poll that has him at 40 and gallup at 41. Abc has him at 44. If you take the average Approval Rating of everything out there it locked in at 43. 9 yesterday. So he is at 43. 9. There is another one coming out this morning so we will see what that says. I would also say the New York Times has been doing these individual House Districts by House District polls around the country by the way, the upshot, i used to make fun of people going to make silver, the little meter. I go to those polls every five minutes because im always theyre addictive. The old politician in me, id always tell everybody that worked for me, dont look at the number, looks at the trends, all that matter are the trends. All those upshot polls i have noticed a slight democratic trend over the past four or five days. And i think it might even be more than slight. If i was just looking at those polls im sort of im trying to i think im having the same reaction as you. If i just looked at those polls that is the best run of polls theyve been doing this for more than a month now, its the best run of polls democrats have had in these key races. There was one in particular, a trump district, illinois, randy holtkin falling six points behind. Whats so fascinating about i dont know if youve been following upshot, and we will get into all the polls, but if youve been following the upshot in the New York Times it is a dream for politicians and also for political analysts because you do see trend lines. Right. For instance, you see democrats moving, democrats moving, but there is one exception, steve king, iowa one. It was i had up and then, boom, over the weekend i think a lot of people in iowa one said, hey, wait a second, were going to stand beside him. Trend line slightly in the democrats favor, but so much just depends on turnout, doesnt it . It all depends on turnout. Look, we have seen some early voting numbers that im sure arguing the folks at the dnc, a lot of courage and optimism. Weve seen a lot of democrats coming out, weve seen a lot of young people voting in a way that they usually dont for Midterm Elections. That said, early voting sometimes can bl lies the election day vote. Its hard to tell. If democrats come out the way theyve come out for early voting, it could be a very good night for democrats. I can tell you this, too, and, by the way, alex just told us that abc Washington Post poll is 44, all voters, 44 for registered. I will say, mika, on the other side of it, you know, as a former republican and current conservative and we have had a lot of conservatives on over the past week saying that they think its better that democrats win this year to provide a check. Former republican consistent conservative. Im still yeah. I actually still believe what i believed in 1994. Exactly. Which i know is unique among people like mike pence and others who run up the biggest debts of all time and suddenly they are protectionists. I could go down the list. They love vladimir putin, they dont like nato so much. Consistent conservative, its very boring, but i somehow manage. But ive had a lot of people come up to me that surprise me that say, hey, i know youve got problems with the direction the country is going, but im voting republican. Im a republican, he does crazy things, im still voting republican. I was coming in here, cab driver, immigrant. Why do you give trump so much trouble . I listen to rush every day. Im voting republican. I said, that is fantastic. How long until we get to 30 rock . He was a very nice guy, but, you know, i think for a lot of us and i will say for a lot of conservatives like Charlie Sykes and rick wilson and, you know, tom nichols, a lot of us, were really actually surprised its this close because we thought there would be more conservatives who actually cared about what conservatism meant, but apparently theyre marching lockstep with republicans. So this is a lot closer race. I will tell you i thought it was going to be. People have chosen trump over the Republican Party, chosen trump over conservatism and so we have we have a personality cult out there thats taken over the Republican Party. We will see how it goes. I do think his war on the facts and the media has been a part of this and has prevailed. Thats the other thing, too. The lying. The lying about the caravan is extraordinary. Its working. What about the wall . I saw a great article this weekend. All lies. Hes lying about the wall. Mike, they go and interview people because trump is saying ive got whats he saying i got 5 billion for the wall. Were building the wall. Im getting mother 5 billion for the wall. Totally untrue. By the way, a complete lie. Then they tell the people, you know hes lying. Its your word against his. They will say, no, here, hes lying. And they will go, well, hes trying. Theyre being theyre being lied to every day and they dont care. Theyre voting for somebody that they know is a liar. So you take that, you take all the lies about the wall, building the wall, you take what he has said to further divide the country numerous times what about the ghost caravan . All of it. All of it. But package all of that in one bundle, set it to the side and then think about this, imagine what we would be talking about today in terms of the horse race in these various districts and various states, governorships, senator seats if he had stuck to the economy. Thats what i dont understand. If you are donald trump and you have inherited Barack Obamas economy by the way, can we stop right here because peter baker had some numbers out. The economy has grown so much. I want to congratulate President Trump on a couple things. First of all, for keeping the obama recovery going, and secondly, pointing out something that barack obama would never point out. You know, barack obama was always very uncomfortable about talking about how great the economy was. Donald trump has done it for him and i think President Trump, i think its very christlike of him to tip his hat to barack obama. Sarcasm. He has talked about how great his economy is and the jobs. Donald trump in his first 21 months created 4,054,000 jobs. President obama and i have to say the obama recovery is extraordinary. He in his last 21 months, mika created number a million more jobs. I know donald trump its got to bug him because he loses to hillary by almost 3 million votes and then you are talking about the thing that he is so proud of, jobs. President obama almost a million more jobs over final 21 months than he has created his first if he keeps working hard, maybe he can get close to president obamas job creation numbers. But thats another thing, though. If i hear from another one of my friends or relatives, hey, donald trump turned the economy around. I feel like saying i really feel like saying, why dont you just tell me that lsu beat alabama 290 because youre just as wrong there. The economy was turned around and barack obama was creating more jobs in his final 21 months than trump has. Not that its a contest, but if youre going to talk about how great the economy is and thats why donald trump is the most spectacular president ever, then why dont you just go back and say everything you said about barack obama was wrong. Personally i think he doesnt talk about the economy because sowing doubt, sowing fear, hatred between people is more effective when youre trying to break down a democracy. Here is what donald trump said as to why he doesnt talk about the economy. Take a look. Msnbc is probably worse than cnn. They tell you hes got the greatest economy. Why is he talking about the border . Well, you can only say so many times that we just created 250,000 jobs last month, right . Now, i could say it over and over and over again and you would appreciate it, but once i say 250 and then i say again 250 and again and i tell you about i can only go for four or five minutes with that, and then the crowd says, we love you and they start dwindling off. So what hes saying is that racism sells better and lying about a wall sells better and making up stories about a caravan sells better and talking about chickenpox and monkey pox and elephant pox and weasel pox coming to the United States sells better. Hes saying and we will see if the voters reward this. I dont think they might. I dont think they are. Well but hes basically saying that people care more about fake stories about more regard remembers in Central America coming to the United States than they do about their jobs. Well see. I think that we are going to have to confront something about this election being more than how bad the democrats are and perhaps some about what america looks like right now. The final its hard to say. The final several weeks of this campaign has been about racism. By the way, it will be written that way in the history books. It has been about racism. Its hard. Donald trump has made up a story about an invasion of brown people coming to the United States, bringing diseases. At every opportunity he could talk about tax cuts, he could talk about the economy, he could talk about jobs. He has chosen to attack brown people. To attack the others. And others have chosen to go with him. Thats the possession he has made, we will see how people vote. Brandnew polling this morning, the final nbc news maris polls of the statewide races in florida, Andrew Gillum is at 50 , four points ahead of republican ron desantis at 46 , but still within the margin of error. This is well, okay, i wont stop right there. And in the States Senate race bill nelson leads republican governor rick scott 50 to 46 , another race just inside the polls margin of error. All right. So, steve, here is another thing ive noticed. And as we get to the end of the campaign you will notice something interesting, nelsons numbers are going up, scotts numbers are going up, gillums numbers are going up, desantis numbers are going up. The undecided are moving towards their candidates. Now, if i had been around going into my fourth election and i had 9, 10, 11 of the people undecided about me after, you know, doing three terms and running for my fourth race, i would tell everybody around me, if they are undecided about me now they aint going to vote for me. They know who i am. Im just wondering as we see these breakings, isnt it more likely that youre going to have more people breaking for the challenger than the incumbent, especially in that incumbent has been around for ten years and they are still undecided . I think the wild card is, though, its the trump midterm. If you look at like bill nelson, somebody who is been there, going for his fourth term right now, sort of a reputation for being not the most overwhelming political force, maybe got lucky in a couple elections, he got to run against Catherine Harris one year. But youve got a situation where, you know, it is the Midterm Election and you are the Opposition Party and thats been a party that has saved a lot of incumbents in the past who have been in that situation. The two most note al things in those polls are, number one, gillum continues to lead. Every poll ive seen of this matchup gillum has been ahead from from the beginning. Every poll. And i think hes dragging nelson along. I think he is, too. I think nelson is in his draft and its really helping nelson a lot. You saw that rally the other day, you had obama and gillum essentially bringing, you know, nelson along with them. When bill nelson goes to an ame church theyre not standing up in the pews for bill nelson, but he did draw a great gubernatorial candidate for what he needs for his weak spot, i think youre right, i think gillum may drag him over the finish line. What happened to rick scott . Didnt he get a bump from the hurricane . They poll the question how did the corner handle the hurricane it was 61 21 support. The thought and hope among republicans was you remember Chris Christie in new jersey with superstorm sandy, that you would see a mini version of that. I dont see it in those numbers, no. I want to get tidy in here. The president visited florida yesterday where he leveled this criticism of democrat Andrew Gillum who is vying to be the states first black governor. I will say this, Andrew Gillum is not equipped to be your governor. Just not equipped. Its not for him. Its not for him. He knows it. He wont say it, but he knows it. Weve got to keep this state great. Youre going to make it even greater if you do ron and otherwise im telling you its going to be problems like you never imagined. Okay. Its a similar line of attack that he used last week against Stacey Abrams who is also looking to be georgias first black governor. Yesterday abrams responded. Oprah is good, but the woman that shes supporting is not qualified to be the governor of georgia by any stretch of the imagination. I think brian is going to be a great governor of georgia, i think he will be a fantastic governor, he is totally qualified. She is not qualified to be the governor of georgia. She is not qualified. He said you just simply werent qualified to be governor. He didnt say why. How did you take that assessment . I find his assessments to be vapid and shallow. I am the most qualified candidate. Im a business owner, a tax attorney who was trained at yale law school, i am a civic leader who helped register more than 200,000 georgians. I am a accomplished political leader who worked across the aisle to improve access to education, to transportation and i blocked the single largest tax increase in georgia history. There is no one more qualified standing for this office in georgia. And how funny that a guy that inherited 200 million from his daddy blew it all, went bankrupt. In a big way. Several times. And now now he just puts his name on buildings because he cant get a loan in new york city because he was such a bad businessperson. He is a reality tv host and that even faded at the end. I mean, how funny that hes doing that. But i immediately went back to 1987 when i heard those words not equipped. Sounded like something that al campanas said on night line when he said that black players were very good, but they lacked certain essentials. Essentials. I dont believe its prejudice, i truly believe that he may not have some of the necessities to be a field manager or perhaps a general manager. He was fired for saying that 30 years ago. The president of the United States said that this weekend. You know, there were a lot of races to cover. We have covered a lot of races, but in a sense we havent paid enough attention to the internals of whats going on in that georgia governors race. I mean, brian kemp, the secretary of state, horrific conflict of interest. He is in charge of the election. He has been in charge of trying to suppress the vote in georgia for several years. A federal court called him out for trying to suppress the vote. With no proof at all over the weekend he charges the Democrats Campaign for governor with trying to the aer of vote, was trying to fix bag the election. No proof at all two days before the election. Just back to the point you were making, joe, this is vile, pru trid, frank racism. Thank you. Ive been waiting to hear that. Thats what it is. Its not even pretending. Its not dog whistle. You know, its a siren. It couldnt be clearer. Gene, i like that word, clack southeast sen, can you use that. I havent trademarked it. Its a strong word. The one thing i would say in georgia this, may be revealed on tuesday night, we will see in the returns, but fulton county, atlanta and the counties immediate around it in the last generation or so the populations have been exploding, theyve been diversifying. Gwinnett county Hillary Clinton became the first democrat president ial candidate ever to carry it. Im wondering if the effect of the focus of this campaign on kemps actions as secretary of state if it could end up having a reverse effect where it plays right into the democratic hands in terms of firing up those voters, getting them interested and driving up numbers like we have never seen for democrats in that part of georgia. If that happens those two congressional seats, woodall and ha handel, this he certainly could. Heidi, i mean, kemp, just shameless. Absolutely shameless. Now claiming that the democrats have tried to hack the election computers and hes putting that Conspiracy Theory on the front page of the state website for voting. This is a test for the media, too, joe, because theres absolutely no evidence, they provided no evidence, and they said that, in fact, there is no sign that anything was actually hacked. Of course, this comes as the issue of Voter Suppression and Voting Rights is a hot button issue there with the democrats trying to get those absentee ballots counted. I did want to also point out

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