Yamiche alcindor. And thats the time we live in, people so panicked, just assuming it must be a shooter when they heard a loud sound on the scene. Yeah, it is the time we live in, unfortunately. Also the time we live in is growing. I think a growing momentum, willie, they actually get some things done, only a few republicans are speaking out. They are starting to speak out about, again, increased background checks. One member of the house came out and republicans talking about banning military style weapons. A lot of governors starting to talk about these red flag laws. You certainly feel like this epidemic is pushing some republicans to finally move. You see in the United States senate in particular, some voices, including that of Lindsey Graham, Lamar Alexander and others talking about these red flag laws, and also as you say, the congressman, the republican congressman, Michael Turner who represents the district in dayton came out yesterday for a ban on some semiautomatic riflings. He h rifles. He has a 93 Approval Rating with the nra. That will go done. People are having a crisis of conscien conscience right now, some are, and saying something has to change, i want to be a part of the solution. Youre seeing some movement already. And you can look back after parkland, there were members, republican members who supported a ban on military style weapons including some in south florida in very republican districts who actually won their seats even more comfortably after making that move. Theres no evidence at all that theres any political, certainly not in this day and age with just the rash of gun violence that theres any political damage to somebody doing what an overwhelming majority of americans support. In light of all of this, well get to that with more details in a moment. President trump will visit el paso and dayton in the wake of backtoback Mass Shootings in those two cities this past weekend. Trump is expected to travel to ohio this morning, and texas this afternoon. But there are some residents and several democratic officials asking him to please stay away. Congresswoman Veronica Escobar who represents el paso continues to speak out last night. This community is full of hope and resilience, and beauty, but the other thing that i heard, chris, totally unsolicited from victims still in the hospital as they grab my arm and tell me, tell him not to come here. We got a call from the white house earlier inviting us to be part of the motorcade as the president arrived and to greet him. My response back was i need a phone call told because i would like to have a conversation with the president about everything i have been saying on national tv. I want to say it to him directly, and i want to see if he would have a dialogue where he accepts responsibility for his words, where he understands the power they have had, the pain they have created and says im sorry and takes them back. Those words are still hanging above us. He has the power to take them back. The response we got was that he was too busy for a phone call. We declined the motorcade. The congresswoman says she refuses to be a quote accessory to the president s visit. Tweeting quote, i refuse to join without a dialogue about the pain and his racist and hateful words and actions have caused our community and country. Willie, you can certainly understand that. Again, his panics were targeted, hispanics were killed, and she represents el paso. And this comes after the president s giving speeches if North Carolina, leading chants, fascist style chants in nuremberg. This is after of course the panama city rally where the president keeps talking invasion, invasion, and people start shouting shoot them and the president laughs and makes a joke about it as the crowd applauds wildly, and this is a guy who has called since being president of the United States h hispanics breeders, and its been one insult after another. Its been one phoney invasion after another, and he has you look at the gunmans, the murderers manifesto, he has picked up the words of donald trump, and he ran with them and talked about how an invasion of texas was going to put texas in democratic hands for the foreseeable future, and so he got his gun, he drove to el paso, and he started killing hispani hispanics. And you can understand why congresswoman escobar didnt want to be a part of that, and have a conversation with the president first. A president of the United States should go and provide comfort, should be a healer, you think back to president obama in charleston when he broke into Amazing Grace when he was giving the eulogy for the reverend. It was a historical moment of healing. It was not a political moment. This is not a president whos going to be able to heal much there, especially given what you just said, there was inspiration derived from the shooter, from the language thats been used by the president. Just hours before his visit to el paso, by the way, President Trump posted a belligerent message aimed at beto orourke who has urged the president not to visit. Minutes before midnight, washington time, President Trump wrote, beto, fphony name to indicate spanish heritage, orourke, who is embarrassed by my last visit to the great state of texas, where i trounced him, and is now more embarrassed by polling at 1 , be quiet the president says to beto orourke. Orourke who has called the president racist for years has said the president should not visit the city in its time of mourning. Orourke responded on twitter. He wrote this, 22 people in my hometown are dead after an act of terror inspired by your racism. El paso will not be quiet, and neither will i. Reverend sharpton, the president making the case that ms. Escobar was making was that hes not capable of being gracious in this moment that calls for it. And hes not capable of seeing the moment, the moment that has people at times square scrambling when its just a car back up because we dont know if its the next assault or the next mass shooting. He doesnt understand or become sensitive to the moment. Its all about him. How do you, on the eve of you going to console people, go back to the poll numbers of someone whos trying to run against you, unless youre totally insincetiinsinc insensitive to the fact that we have all of these families planning funerals and youre seeing this as some way, lets clean up a little political mess, a mess that you helped inspire, and were not guessing that as tv hosts or pundits or whoever we are and whatever we do, the one that did the shooting was quoting you. The one that did the shooting is the one that led it to your doorsteps, mr. President , if you had any humanity, wait a minute, if i incorrectly caused any of this, im sorry, let us operate in a different way. All of us had to do that in life. He seems incapable of that. He seems incapable of it. Rick tyler, you have consulted republican candidates, president ial candidates, conservative republican president ial candidates, and you really get a glimpse into just how devoid this man is of humanity when in response to someone saying that his words and actions fed into the hatred that led to this killing, his response is to talk about crowd sizes, right, and political polls and talking about how he quote trounced somebody in crowd sizes. I think even thats a lie. Even it werent a lie, i mean, its, again, i could ask you if you ever worked for any politician who was ever this shallow, who was ever this devoid of humanity, who would have ever responded in the face of tragedy, talking about crowd sizes or political polls but i already know, the answer is no. This man, as Jeffrey Goldberg says in the atlantic is only getting worse. I certainly wouldnt, joe, and i think it was yesterday or the day before donald trump sent out a tweet. He was complaining about the comparisons or the that he was taking the blame for these shootings where other president s were not. But i want people to think about this, how sickening it is that while people are suffering and burying their loved ones and grieving and others in the hispanic communities are fearful for their lives, donald trump wants to be the number one victim. He wants more sympathy for himself as opposed to the suffering that people are going through, which makes his visit to both dayton to el paso today, completely inappropriate because the president has no capacity to display empathy, to say the right things that people believe. We all watched his speech the other day, but it just doesnt reconcile with what he said. If you juxtapose what he said in the speech, which the content was fine, but it didnt come from the heart. He just read it. We know donald trump and what his heart speaks of, and we see those in the rallies, in his tweets in his offhanded remarks, his hurtful things, the racist things that he says, and so his visit today is really counter productive. Now, hell try to go through it the best they can, but, you know, people have expressed outrage that hes even daring to come, particularly in el paso, and i would say this about el paso because of all the things you mentioned about the hispanic invasion, things he said about invasion. This ones on you, mr. President. You own it. Well, and he woknt even spek to the woman who represents el paso. Its awful. Republican congressman Michael Turner of ohio whose Congressional District includes dayton has endorsed a ban on military style weapons. The congressman has an a rating from the nra and voted against a bill to expand background checks earlier this year, but congressman turner released a statement yesterday announcing his support for the restricting the sale of military style weapons to civilians. Hes also called for a magazine limit and red flag legislation. This weekends mass shooting in dayton was personal for the congressman. Not only does the city fall under his district but his daughter and a family friend were also across the street from where the shooting began on sunday morning. The congressman tweeted quote, my daughter and friend fled into the oregon district and contacted me at 2 00 a. M. As they ran home. I followed their progress and prayed for them and our community. Thank you to Dayton Police for their bravery in stopping this evil. The republican governor of ohio mike dewine is asking state lawmakers to take action on a series of measures that would help fight gun violence. His list of policy proposals includes a red flag law, which allows family members or police to seek removal of firearms from individuals whom they fear could cause harm to themselves or others. Dewine is urging state lawmakers to pass background checks for gun sales and to provide money to strengthen soft targets like the oregon district where this weekends mass shooting took place. The governor is calling for improved access to Mental Health treatment. Hes asking that the Ohio Department of Public Safety increase its monitoring of social media and the governor also wants to increase the penalties for anyone who breaks the law when it comes to buying, selling or owning firearms, and red flag laws are picking up momentum with some republican members of congress in washington. According to the New York Times, gop lawmakers are coalescing around legislation to help Law Enforcement take guns from those who pose an imminent danger. If signed into law, it would be the most significant gun control legislation in two decades. In the senate, where a background checks bill failed in 2013, after 26 children and Staff Members were gunned down at Sandy Hook Elementary School in newtown, connecticut, red flag laws may be the only gun related measure that could squeeze through. Senator john thune of south dakota told his hometown newspaper that he was confident congress will be able to find Common Ground on the socalled red flag issue. Senator Lindsey Graham has already proposed legislation that would offer federal grants to states to help them enact and enforce red flag laws also known as extreme Risk Protection orders. So yamiche, these are all good first steps, but its also to note that every one of these issues should have been passed years ago and when they pass now, most of them are what wed call in congress 90 10 issues, 90 percent of americans support, 10 oppose. You could also say that about expanded background checks and are so many gun measures that republicans have deliberately killed time and time again. So are we finally starting to see the iceberg break up a bit, and starting to see some gun Safety Measures saturday to make it through the legislative process . Were starting to see at least some action on gun issues and gun law changes. But i think what i took away after spending some time in dayton first before the shooting and then after the shooting was that people are in some ways really frustrated with the idea that lawmakers also have to be personally touched before they feel moved. You think of representative turner, his daughter was across the street. That might now have really kind of sunk in for him exactly how terrible these shootings are, and i spoke to a youngman in Anthony Reynolds who said i wasnt paying attention to Mass Shootings and when el paso happened, i felt bad for them, but i didnt fear for my own safety. I went out and i was having a drink at the bar and i wasnt thinking about that, and then i was 10 feet away from someone with an Assault Rifle killing people right next to me, and i thought why should he have that gun, and reynolds said i now feel upset about the idea that it took for me to have to be running for my life to sit down and say these laws need to change. Maybe its because we now see backtoback Mass Shootings that lawmakers in washington and all over the country are saying this is getting too much, we have to do this. I remember covering newtown, connecticut, and going to some 20 something funerals and thinking this has to change everything, the world is going to shift, and what we saw is the world didnt shift, and now i think people are starting to see, we really need to do something because republicans are the ones frankly that are being blamed for most of this because victims are looking at this and saying you have to do something. I was in dayton when the crowd was shouting do something at the mayor, and that was a powerful moment. It was a moment where people felt fed up. Well, and you have two things happening at once, you have the toxic combination of runaway gun, just massive fire power being put into the hands of civilians where these large capacity magazines and you have these military style weapons that im sure the congressman heard about his family members running away and that shooter, i believe, had a hundred bullets in his magazine. Now, everybody in the state of ohio knows that you only need those if youre going out to hunt humans. If youre only thats why people like stan mcchrystal, so many military leaders say that those military style weapons that were designed for combat in war, those military style weapons should not be in civilians hands, so you combine that with a racist, inflammatory, White Supremacy that youre seeing flaring up in chants at trump rallies and people saying shoot hispanics. This does this is a double punch for republicans and people are looking squarely at them now. Yeah, two forces seem to have come together in the country since the assault weapons ban expired in 2004. We have seen more and more of these military style weapons on the streets of the United States and an assumption that its okay to have them. With these huge magazines like you say that can kill people. We saw it in dayton, nine People Killed in the space of 30 seconds. Imagine how many more may have been killed if that shooter hadnt been taken down that quickly. At the same time, youve got a culture of White Supremacy, which the fbi has been monitoring and fbi agents are saying we need more resources to combat. This is the threat that we are opposing, so combine that White Supremacy with the access to the assault weapons and it is producing this moment where people are looking and there is a different conversation happening after these two shootings in which you do have some republicans coming on board saying, okay, maybe we have to do something because were seeing this backlash against us as a party. Joe, we often and rightly talk about politicians in the grip of the nra, we ought to give credit to someone like Michael Turner, a 93 nra rating, an a rating, and is crossing the nra by proposing an assault weapons ban and will lose their support likely because of it. It gets to the question so many times, the vast majority of the members of the nra want expanded background checks. These are nra members, yet the lobbyists in washington go out and spend millions of dollars lobbying against bills that would expand background checks. They have announced publicly they are against universal background checks. Why is that, why are 70 of nra members for that, and yet the people who represent them in washington, excuse me, go out and spend millions of dollars fighting against the very wishing of their membership. You know, i grew up in mississippi, and alabama and georgia and florida. I grew up around nra members. I grew up with people that started going hunting with their fathers and grandfathers when they were 5 or 6 years old. Members of the nra throughout their lifetime, and after sandy hook, after we all made impassioned pleas on expanded background checks, and the banning of military style weapons, all of them came up to me in church saying i dont need that to go deer hunting. I dont need that to protect my family. I got enough fire power inside my house with my shotguns. Somebody walks through my door, you kn