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MSNBCW Morning Joe March 5, 2020

Morning times that. I aint dead. Along with myself and joe and willie we have Steve Rattner, professor at Princeton University eddie glaude jr. And from the super tuesday earthquake that rocked the race for the democratic nomination are still being felt this morning. Joe biden added a tenth state to his list of super victories after nbc news declared him the apparent winner of maine. Wow. The only race we havent been able to call is california. Nbc deems that race still too early to call. Sanders holds a ninepoint lead right now. Of the states massive 415 delegates, sanders has been awarded 161 so far. Biden 100. The former Vice President still leads the overall delegate count, a difference of 52. Meanwhile, Mike Bloombergs decision yesterday to end his campaign means biden now has the room to charge ahead in the moderate lane all by himself. As the race now moves to next tuesdays contests in idaho, michigan, mississippi, missouri, north dakota and Washington State. Heres some of what both biden and bloomberg had to say yesterday. Today i am cleareyed about our overriding objective, and that is, victory in november. [ cheers ] not not victory for me or our campaign, but victory for our country. [ cheers and applause ] if you remember, i entered the race for president to defeat donald trump, and today i am leaving the race for the same reason, to defeat donald trump, because staying in would make it more difficult to achieve that goal. Ive always believed that defeating donald trump starts with uniting behind the candidate with the best shot to do it, and after yesterdays vote it is clear that candidate is my friend and a Great American joe biden. [ cheers and applause ] this is what we have to do to win. This is what we have to do to unify the nation. Thats why i entered the race in the first place. To unify this country. So we welcome all those who want to join us. All those who want to join us, and to build a movement. And this is a movement we are building. It is a movement and we need that movement to beat donald trump and to build a future we all know is possible. Willie, well get to Michael Bloomberg in a minute shand his campaign and his concession speech and his endorsement of joe biden, but first lets talk about joe biden. In the immortal words of monty python, he was not dead. In fact, it was merely a flesh wound. The turnaround, still, if you look at it, you see where he was saturday afternoon. How despondent until bidens campaign were, believing that, you know, he was near the end. To turn around over 27 hours has been one of the most remarkable turnarounds in american political history, and it continues. Yeah. I mean, we added another state overnot with maine making 10 of the 14 states on super tuesday in the column for joe biden. Just 48 hours on Tuesday Morning as we sat here, no one and i mean no one could, have predicted that, including, by the way, people inside joe bidens campaign, but eddie, as weve been talking about this week, africanamerican voters started a wave, and it started in the state of South Carolina and it moved through the south and it went into texas and other places. White suburban voters as well. Older voters. Hes got a calendar now on tuesday, a place like mississippi thats going to look in terms of voting base a lot like those Southern States pap state like michigan, where jb woe biden wins that state, t mayal all she wrote there. Exactly. I asked the question moving into super tuesday whether or not joe biden would lose among the africanamerican vote in way that reflected South Carolina or nevada. He lost the africanamerican vote like he lost it in South Carolina across the south, and the interesting thing i would, that i came to understand watching the results, because i was shocked is that, first, we have a lot of africanamericans who simply agree with joe biden. Right . A lot of africanamerican whose see that getting trump out of office is the most important thing. Right . We also see that Bernie Sanders has to calibrate his read rihet with regards to race. Hes not very good at a race agenda. We have to see what happens moving forward. So much to talk about, eddie. Its something that reverend al and i have been discussing for a year now about how black voters, i think like hispanic voters often are stereotyped and generalized, and put into one group by white liberal politicians and White Conservative politicians, but reverend al said his mentor told him black voters are conservative in every area except on race. Look what happened over the past month, month 1and a half and it will be black voters seen as the moderating force on the Democratic Partys most extreme influences and once again, once again, the most pragmatic voters who look at the field and say, okay. Who gives me the best chance to win . Famously as weve said in 2007, barack obama was running, Michelle Obama was talking to mika, they need to vote for us. Wait, wait. Show us you can win first. Right. Show us you can win first. And once again, black voters have been the pragmatic force in the Democratic Party, asking that question, whos going to win . You know, joe, i find it i was stunned. Its ironic to me that black voters will be the firewall to protect the moderate conservative wing of the Democratic Party. Three things that really come to mind to me. One, as i said earlier, black voters are more moderate and conservative than most people think. Two, i think we still have to kind of keep track of Barack Obamas effect, maybe distorting effect on the black electorate, and, three, kind of think about this question of safety. This buying time as James Baldwin would say that its a cold, calculated risk when we vote to buy ourselves some time. Theres a sense in which a lot of black folk, there are some who support joe biden but a lot of black folk who dont trust White America to vote for a progressive. So in some ways the idea of getting trump out of office requires a kind of safe bet that this person will be, this person will beat trump, but then theres this thing. Back to the first part quickly. As africanamerican voters, some africanamerican voters, i should say, consolidate around joe biden we need to ask ourselves the question. Will this be the Democratic Party that doubled down on triang goo xwla triangulation . As we bank away from the primary and go into the general, will they take advantage of, you know, africanamerican take for granted africanamerican voters and move in a different direction and not Pay Attention . Because its precisely that triangulation that led to dick morris talking the way he talked with clinton, led to the crime bill and legislation being passed. We need to ask hard policy questions talking about the black center being heart of the Democratic Party. We know what that has meant since the clinton revolution in some ways. The black vote is the center and the heart of Democratic Party. Something weve been saying for months here when a lot of white people have been running around in iowa and New Hampshire talking about who the future of the Democratic Party was. Nobody can say who the future of the Democratic Party is until black voters say who the future of the Democratic Party is, and i dont know that black voters going in on super tuesday, asking themselves about dick morris and triangulation or the crime bill and stop and frisk. I think they were asking the same question that a lot of other democrats are asking. Wait a second. Okay. Who has a better chance of beating donald trump . The guy whos still running around defending Fidel Castros programs . In cuba. His Literacy Programs in cuba. Still defending the sandinistans, still defending the soviets talking about their glitters subways . Because you see, heres the thing about blacks in the south. They live in the south. They know the history of the south. They know that republicans dominate the south, and they know that unlike liberals on the Upper East Side of manhattan or in cambridge, massachusetts, they cant take chances on esoteric theories. Its hardball politics, and they got to get the guy, or the woman, who can stop donald trump dead in their tracks. I think thats the calculation. I think its a calculation jim clyburn made, and i think its a calculation that black voters will continue to make throughout this process. But the, their voices, mika, on tuesday night and in South Carolina were remarkable and i got to say, jim clyburn still just such a remarkable powerful voice in the Democratic Party. Certainly they made themselves clear, but heres how senator Bernie Sanders framed joe bidens surge. Joe biden is somebody i have known for many years. I like joe. I think hes a very decent human being. Joe and i have a very different voting record. Joe and i have a very different vision for the future of this country, and joe and i are running very different campaigns. And my hope is that in the coming months we will be able to debate and discuss the very significant differences that we have. Joe is running a campaign which is obviously heavily supported by the corporate establishment. Is this the establishment trying to defeat Bernie Sanders, mr. Vice president . The establishment are all those hard working middleclass people, those africanamericans, those People Living in the cities. Yes, sir [ cheers ] sanders later responded to bidens comments tweeting, no, joe. The establishment are the 60 billionaires funding your campaign, and the corporate funded super pacs that are spending millions on negative ads attacking me. House majority whip James Clyburn as questioned sanders descriptions biden supporters in South Carolina as the establishment telling the daily beast i find if very interesting someone is referring to africanamerican in South Carolina as the establishment. I dont understand how that vote can be dismissed. You really have to say that a guy that owns three houses, thats a millionaire, thats attacking a black voter in orangeburg, South Carolina as the establishment, as the elites may be missing the bigger plot. I want to talk, willie, about Mike Bloomberg and i want to read something thats in the in the in the. Charlie wertzal wrote it. And, of course, everybody was mocking Mike Bloomberg yesterday, like i thought they might, even though not sure why you mock a man for spending a ton of money with one goal in mind. To stop donald trump. But, charlie, in the times says only the number of states won obscures the marvel of a bloomberg experiment in which name recognition and unlimited war chest polling less than 3 on the day announced to 16 by the end of february. It aloud a less than charismatic campaigner and stop and frisk and nondisclosure agreement baggage too skipped the first four nominating states to still manage to crack 10 of the vote and nearly all of the super tuesday contests. If theres a lesson to draw from this it seems to be that atlantics remark, how close it came to working. And you can take out a few things. I think, willie, if Michael Bloomberg had listened to mikas advi advice, and that is start with a lot of media interviews where he was really strong, in media interviews. Prepare yourself more for those debates, or if when you got into those debates you didnt have one candidate, Elizabeth Warren, who so focus seem to take you out of the race. Our explanation was very few people could survive that on the national stage. Especially somebody who had just gotten into the president s race. This is right. This may have actually worked. Yeah. I understand all the jokes about him spending half a billion dollar to win a few delegates in american samoa. All true. The claims this was a vanity project fall flat when the guy made a gambit for super tuesday, it didnt work out and just got out the next day. The vanity project, him staying in and trying to do something at the convention. Seems to me, Steve Rattner, say again that you manage Mike Bloombergs blmoney. Hes a good friend of yours. It didnt work out. As he pledged yesterday hes going to take all that money in defeating donald trump and supporting joe biden. Isnt that what he said from the beginning . And did he have to be convinced to get out of the race or know it was time to go . I agree with you. Did exactly what he said he would do. Devoted all of his resources, put together and Extraordinary Campaign together in absolutely no time. I did spend time with those folks and he did a remarkable job. The debates werent so good but as you and joe and charlie wertzs said, he did elevate himself in way, compare it to for example tom steyer, my friend tom steyer, disclose that as well, who spent 254 million and never got a single delegate. Mike did make an impact on this race and i think mikes support and what will move over to the Biden Campaign will also be meaningful in all of this. So, no. Look, mike saw clearly, as, hes a datadriven guy. The motto at bloomberg, in god we trust all others bring datda. He was cleareyed about it and about his decision to support biden. Can i say one thing on sanders attacks on biden. I think before you Start Talking about the corporate billion theirs and all the rest of the stuff supporting biden, at least two, three things to remember. One, biden had the money. The idea he was supported by corporate billionaires when he beat sanders was sort of hard to imagine. Two, no individual can give more than 2,800. I dont think joe biden or Bernie Sanders can be bought for 2,800. Ludicrous to say, and thirdly the point made, of course, the people who elected him in South Carolina were hardly the corporate establishment as we talk and earlier. Eddie, shaking your head as re listened. The case for Bernie Sanders, argument that we are representing working people, which he is. His platform and the other candidates are tools effectively of the corporate establishment. That argument loses a little steam, seems to me, after super tuesday. After the kind of voters who elected joe biden in all of those states. Right. It requires a little nuance. Hard to have nuance in our political conversation and particularly in the heat of a political battle, but he needs to make a distinction between those who vote, right . And then the political elites and the establishment hes trying to refer to. I mean, it makes sense to me to say that James Clyburn is part of the political establishment. It makes sense to me to talk about the way in which klobuchar and buttigieg and others and how bloomberg have consolidated behind joe biden to begin to talk about them in a particular sort of way, but you cant conflate that with voters. The democratic process is messy. People will make choices at the polls. If you are a democrat, small d, you want to get as much legitimacy to folk making decisions on the voting day as you can, and you know what . On super tuesday, Bernie Sanders got his behind handed to him. He needs to go back and think, why . Kind of as what happened . And to kind of describe it all as just corporate establishment and blah, blah, blah, is too flatfooted. Be more nuance and get the message right if youre really wanting to change the lives of everyday ordinary americans. And eddie, also, makes him look ridiculous. Three months we talked money, w couldnt spend money in super 100,000 in virginia. I mean, how many millions did bernie spend there . I mean, biden won without any money. He won with hardly any political organization. He won on momentum, reputation and name recognition. So, willie, eddies right. When bernies going around spouting these talking points about, hes, but the corporate billionaires won the race for him no, no. Oh. It was black voters in, in orangeburg, South Carolina, in petersburg, virginia. In demopolis, alabama. All you know, in nashville, tennessee. These are states where joe biden didnt spend any money. These are states where people made the decision on their own for Bernie Sanders, hes being a onetrick pony here talking about joe biden bought and known by corporate it just it doesnt work on biden. Because he was dead broke on super tuesday, and bernie had millions and millions and millions of dollars in the bank which is fine. He spent it. Thats great. But money didnt decide super tuesday. Something much bigger decided super tuesday. And thats something much bigger was the question of, who do you trust . Yeah. Who do you trust to beat donald trump . And who do you trust to return normalcy to the United States of americas federal government . Who and you know, those exit poll questions about, do you want to have obamalike policies . Do you want to go even further left . I mean, those exit polls, it wa

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