Scene you didnt ask me. Mr. Brehmly turns to his assistant da and says, tell me what youre going to do after this job and he basically said, yes, you are, im your boss. When i look at mike pence and i see him lying through his teeth. A man who, i mean from everything ive noun, heknown, man of great faith and he let us know that through his entire public life that hes a man of great faith so whos to doubt that. I just wonder, though, when hes lying through his teeth for this president , i really do, i go whats mike pence going to do after this . Where does he go to get his reputation back . Because Donald Trumps been lying through his teeth about the coronavirus for well over a year. And the my my favorite part of what pence said and what trump is saying, when theyre drawing these churchill compa comparisons were just like churchill keeping calm and carrying on. I said on this Program Since march that he should be like churchill. And, you know, i read we had eric on several times here and churchill would weep openly in public when he would go visit these sites during the london blitz. He would tell people how bad things were. But at the same time say, were going to keep fighting. And all of these churchill the british people face with fortitude and buoyancy as long as they are convinced that those in charge of their affairs are not deceiving them or are not dwelling in a fools paradise. Theres Winston Churchill. Heres the quote i thought of when all of that i would love to say it but this is, of course, a childrens show all of the b. S. They were spewing yesterday. I thought of Winston Churchills speech to members of parliament, off the floor. And this, willie, is what Winston Churchill did to get support to stand up to nazi germany when so many people wanted to appease hitler and give in. Give in. This is what Winston Churchill said. If this one island story of ours is to end at last, let it end only when each one of us lies choking in his own blood upon the ground. Nothing polly annish about that. Churchill let the british people know all along what was in front of them. When france collapsed, he said the battle of france is over. The battle for britain has begun. And willie, my god. Again, in real time in march, in april and may. We kept telling this guy, just tell americans the truth. They can handle it. Dont hide the truth. Dont be responsible for the lies. He could not stop lying, willie. Now we know from woodwards book that was a strategy. That he wanted to downplay this because he believed it helped. He didnt want to create a panic. But as you just laid out, i could feel jon meachams draw job yesterday when he heard the comparisons to Winston Churchill. Churchill famously levelled with the boiritish people. Of course, he was inspiring, but he levelled with the british people about how bad this was. We said in february, march and april, President Trump would get credit for coming out and saying what was true, he didnt invent the virus, he didnt bring to the United States, but its here and now we have to deal with it. If we deal with it, the shorter the run will be. If we dont, were where we are, were in the fall and dealing with it. Those comparisons are gross and i dont know how mike pence does it. I dont know, do you take a shower after a tv appearance like that . How do you look yourself in a mirror, look your family in the face. When one day after you know the president did not take it seriously, you come out and say he did. I dont know how as a person he does that. I dont know how he does that. Its difficult to watch the writings of people i respected for most of my life who are actually apologizing for donald trump committing one of the most egregious acts any american president has ever committed. No, wall street journal editorial page, the worst example of antiantitrumpism trying to actually bring nancy pelosi quotes from february and cuomo quotes as if that has anything to do with the president of the United States lying to the American People for months. And lying to them about everything from disinfections, the rate of the infection, the infection going away magically, no need to worry about it. No need to worry about masks. Look at his rally last night. That was the consequence of six months of lying. That was another super spreader event. Those are people being hurt by the president. So the hostility towards doctors, the hostility towards medical advice, again weve been saying mika, for years, if this guy were a ceo hed be gone. If he were the preacher of a church, if he were a High School Football coach, if he were a middle school janitor, hed be fired long ago. But if he were a doctor lying willfully to 320 million in the middle of the worst pandemic in this country, and doing it in such a way that would increase the number of People Killed, increase the levels of unemployment, he would have his medical license stripped and he would be sued into bankruptcy. Yeah. But wait, hes president of the United States so we define dev yens that way. For the jackasses out there trying to forgive this guy, okay wall street journal editorial page hes not responsible for the death of 190,000 americans, no. There are studies that suggest maybe he is responsible for the deaths of maybe 100,000 people . What would you say hes responsible for wall street journal editorial people . Maybe he killed 80,000 do you think he only killed 80,000 Senior Citizens, 80,000 americans with his lies . No . Do you think maybe he killed 30,000 people, wall street journal editorial page . What do you think history is going to say . Theyre not going to say what you say this morning in your oped page. Maybe he only killed 4,000. You think thats probably pretty safe to say that him lying about this pandemic, him lying about this virus, him underplaying the risk so much so that people would run into stores, at walmart, and tear down displays that had masks on it, that people would run around saying this was a hoax he would he called it a democratic hoax a month after he told woodward it was really bad stuff. What do you think, wall street journal editorial page . Maybe 4,000 out of 190,000 people were killed because of Donald Trumps lies. Do you think only 4,000 maybe oh, i dont know, as Many Americans who died on 9 11, is that fair to say . You know what . I think history is going to find out it was a hell of a lot more than 4,000 americans who were killed because Donald Trumps lies. And i just you know, ive been reading you, wall street journal editorial page my entire adult life. You gave me the crib notes when i was running for congress in 1994. Id read your page and campaign. I didnt listen to what the nrcc sent me because i found you wrote it better, more concisely and gave me a better argument for what conservativism was in 1994 but it sure isnt right now. But id be careful, and i say this as a longtime listener, First Responder firsttime caller, but id be careful because history in a couple of months is going to be harsh. Remember when i started criticizing george w. Bush, and conservatives said why are you a trader . Why are you a liberal . Youre a liberal, joe. How could you be criticizing george w. Bush . And then you know what he did, you know what happened . He left office and you know what happened when he left office . All these conservatives started criticizing george w. Bush. I got to say wall street journal you did criticize george w. Bush along with me early for his massive spending. Good on you. You dont have that gene anymore, im not sure where it went. You cant say we criticized donald trump too. But come on, nancy pelosi went to chinatown in february. Nancy pelosi is not president of the United States. Nancy pelosis team didnt know on new years eve of 2020 what was coming from china. Nancy pelosis employees didnt know and start preparing on january 1st, 2020, about the pandemic, to warn the administration. Nancy pelosi sure wasnt warned on like january 28th that this was the biggest crisis to face donald trump in his presidency. No, she wasnt. But you know who was . Donald trump. Im not sure whats in it for you continuing to apologize for this guy. But whether were talking about him denigrating the war dead you know we did it, by the way. Maybe people out in personality cult, like maybe those people really think those quotes were just made, but you know theyre not made up. You know he denigrated the war dead, wall street journal editorial page. You know he did. You know he called men and women who dedicated their entire lives and spent months and years away from their children in defense of this country you know he called them suckers. And things that i cant repeat on this show. But youll defend him. Youll keep defending him. Wheres marco rubio, by the way . On vacation . Wheres ted cruz, i havent heard from them. Do they agree with donald trump . Wheres Corey Gardner . Does he agree with donald trump that men and women who dedicated their entire lives to this country, that run are in the United States military are suckers and another word that cant be repeated on this show . Are they proud of trump for lying to the people of colorado, florida, texas, the United States of america . Martha mcsally are you proud that President Trump lied to the people of arizona . Do you think thats cool . Where are they . Ive heard nothing from them. Maybe i missed it. If i missed it, i apologize. Mika hum . What do they think january is going to look like . It is going to be a cold, long winter, and theyre going to be spending the rest of their lives explaining why they remained silent in a time of moral crisis. Yeah. When they found out that their president lied to the American People for six months, in the greatest crisis since 9 11. I dont get it. Im just a simple country lawyer, but i dont get it. The same message applies to members of the media. You mentioned wall street journal but i have to say our colleagues in Television News at different networks. I know some of you are hosts of opinion shows but i dont get what youre doing right now, because what i see is the lowest level of disinformation. I mean, when youre trying to blame this on the president not wanting people to panic and youre pushing that or youre trying to blame this coronavirus misinformation on the part of the president on Lindsey Graham. When youre doing that, youre failing your responsibility to your viewers. Youre failing your viewers. Dont you have a responsibilities to ask some questions . Just even one or two questions that might perhaps look into why he would do this . Dont you have a responsibility to the people who watch you . To make sure their lives are kept as healthy as possible, dont you . Youre failing them and i think like with the politicians, at some point in the case of the coronavirus, the truth will come out. And i dont know if theyre still going to be watching you. They want credible hosts. They want credible newscasters. They want people who are going to do what needs to be done to get to the truth. Its just not happening in some cases. Along with joe, willie and me, we have associate editor for the Washington Post david ignatius. Cofounder and ceo of the axios jim vandihile. President trump continued to defend himself against the revelation that he intentionally misled the people about the coronavirus. Its shown in audio excerpts from Bob Woodwards interview with the president. He knew how deadly the virus was yet decided to play it down in public. Here is the president trying to explain himself yesterday first at the white house and then at a Campaign Rally where many were not Wearing Masks in michigan last night. Why did you lie to the American People and why should we trust what you have to say now . Thats a terrible question and the phraseology. I didnt lie. What i said is we have to be calm, we cant be panicked. There has to be a calmness. You dont want me jumping up and down screaming theres going to be great death and really causing some very, very Serious Problems for the country. If bob woodward thought it was bad, then he should have immediately gone out publicly, not wait four months. He had that statement four months, five months, he had it for a long time. It was a series of taped interviews by telephone, not long ones, quick ones. I did it out of curiosity because i wanted to see if someone like that can write good, i dont think he can. This whack job that wrote the book said trump knew a little bit. They wanted me to scream people are dying, were dying. No. No. We did it just the right way. But remember the president says his goal is to prevent public panic. Who wants to surrender our country to the violent left wing, mob. Rioters, anarchist, and flag burners. Flood your state with refugees. The left wants to get rid of me so they can come after you. Confiscate your guns. Shutdown auto production, delay the vaccine. You will have crime like youve never seen before. No city, town or suburb will be safe. Im feeling calm. Dont panic. Yeah, way to tamp down the panic. You can run clips for about three years, because thats all he does when hes campaigning. All he does. You remember 2018 campaign, talking about the invasion of the caravans coming into the United States. Yep. And carrying diseases and then other people jumped in, hep ra si is coming, smallpox and whatever else. Its crazy. Dont you love his stop me before i kill again defense . Why didnt bob woodward tell people i was lying and killing them . Why didnt he so stop me before i was responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of americans . Im not sure how thats going to work in focus groups. Hes calling bob woodward a whack job. He called him yesterday the rapidly fading bob woodward. Again, President Trump picked up the phone 18 times and talked to bob woodward for nine hours. So he called whack job, as he calls him, bob woodward 18 times and gave up all of this on tape, on the record. He knew that. Carol lee, lets talk about this response from the white house. Yesterday they went to church l churchill, President Trump was being like churchill urging people to keep calm and carry on. The day before, some people saying it was Lindsey Grahams fall he set up the president , arranged for this. And then we had the press secretary who said the thing you just heard President Trump say on tape in his own voice is not the thing you think you heard. He never tried to downplay it. He said on tape he liked to down play it. Are they landing on churchill or something new today . Its anyones guess where they go from here. But the overarching theme of the response is defense. The president is on defense. Some of his allies are not happy with the way this is the way theyre pushing back on this because it is so defensive and what youve seen in all the clips you played are two strands of it, one is the trump playbook, play number one try to discredit the source, doing that aggressively with bob woodward. But hes the source. Right. There are people trump is the source. That think thats a really bad idea because a, bob woodward is credible and b, you cant tell people theyre not hearing what theyre hearing. Its a goto play from what weve seen from the president before. He called bob woodward a whack job. He called james comey a nut job. So weve seen this before. And then the president saying he was urging calm, which was undermined by the fact that the president not only in the rally but hes tweeting saying American Children are going to be indoctrinated if joe biden is elected. So there are a number of people around the president who want him to stop with this, try to push back in a less aggressive way. We heard the president said, theres a quote, i didnt lie. Thats not something they like having out there from the president and not something we hear from the president that directly. So whether he can move the ball on this and try to pivot elsewhere remains to be seen. But theyre very concerned because people are voting, were close to the election and any other week like this, as we get closer is worse for him. One other thing, theyre trying to preempt anything else coming out saying this is what the left wing media and their allies are going to try to do. Therell be another woodward book another atlantic story. Itll be every week. To try prime the president s supporters that theyre trying to buy in and its not true. It is his voice, thats the problem at the end of the day, david ignatius. Thats the problem. Yep, it is his voice. And the argument, who are you going to believe, me or your lying ears, is not going to work. You cant put this on bob woodward. You cant put this on jeff bezos. You cant put this on the Washington Post or the New York Times, morning joe, when its his voice. And you i loved your column that went up online last night, in the paper this morning about woodward. He gave trump every chance. He gave him all the time in the world to explain himself. And, of course, its just not going to turn out well when you are insulting our military leaders when you are denigrating those who have served their entire life protecting or defending the United States of america when everything you said in public is the opposite of what youre saying privately to bob woodward. Joe, i had a chance to read the book carefully over the last couple of days. And it really is almost a mo morality play, bob woodward does give trump the chance to explain himself. Hes patient, he asks for justifications, he lets him spin out his version of whats happened. In