To include trumps finances. But mueller has a broad mandate to investigate and according to nbcs own reporting, hes working to follow the money wherever it leads. Trumps red line comment has led to speculation that he may be fearing up to fire mueller. But even with mueller gone, that wouldnt be the end of the investigations into whether trump colluded with russia. Theres still multiple congressionalel investigation and theres plenty of money and debt for there to follow. Like a 17 million debt Paul Manafort owed to prorussian interests before joining the Trump Campaign as chairman last ma. Or the debt Jared Kushner and his family took on to buy the building at 666 fifth avenue in 2007. Well, next week kushner, man forlt and donald trump jr. Might have to explain all of that and more to the senate, but not to the publicly. Kushner is scheduled to be interviewed by the Senate Intelligence committee in a closed door session on monday. Then hed go back to capitol hill on tuesday to speak with the house Intelligence Committee, also in private. Meanwhile, the Senate Judiciary committee has worked out a deal with trump junior and manafort to hold a session also closed to the public next week. The Committee Also asked them to turn overall documents related to that aelt person that we know of june 2016 meeting that included russian nationals with connections to kremlin and a former kgb known as the fsb. All of this comes as another member of trumps now former inner circle is under fire. Last night the Washington Post broke the news that u. S. Spy agencies intercepted alleged conversations that Russian AmbassadorSergey Kislyak says he had with officials in moscow about two separate interactions between him and Jeff Sessions in 2016. Kislyak said sessions spoke with him about Trump Campaign policy campaign and policy matters. Drip, drim, drip. And joining me now is malcome nans author of the plot to hack merng. Washington post opinion writer Jennifer Roux bin. David corner, Washington Bureau chief of mother joenls. Thank you all for being here. Jennifer, im going to start with you on this first. The white house has been told to preserve all documents about the trump junior meeting, so that takes care of him. You had Jared Kushner come out with yet another Financial Disclosure in which he suddenly remembered another Something Like 77 meetings in his financial filing about all of the money that theyve made, he and ivanka. This is now inevitably circling in on the trump family and inner circle. So what do you make of Donald Trumps threat to mueller not to go near his finances in light of all that . I think its a trial balloon to see if the republicans balk, if he thinks he can actually get away with firing mueller. Whatever trump is afraid of must be really, really bad because he is now talking about not only firing mueller, but of course marched ong himself, which many of us think is not permissible. I think he fierce that the finances are going to lead someplace thats going to either be embarrassing or lead to crimes. And so hes desperate. And frankly, the republicans havent been all that strong. If they know whats best for them, i would suggest that mr. Mcconnell and mr. Ryan come out flatly say that if he fires mueller, theyll begin impeachment hearings. If he tries to pardon himself, theyll begin impeachment hearings. Thats the only thing thats going to deter him from moving ahead, otherwise i think hes going to go right ahead and fire mueller at some point and then try to pardon himself. It doesnt bode well that the republicans will send a warning to donald trump. This is on cnn, long time supporter and he was saying that mueller actually should stay away from trumps finances. Lets take a listen. I would hope that mueller doesnt cross the line into tax returns. And he should let go of some of the business things. Lets face it. The president is not subject to the normal ethics issues when it comes to business. If that is the line, youve been doing a lot of reporting on the hill about republicans just wanting to stay away, is there any chance that the Jennifer Roux bin suggestion that they say to trump dont do it or else would ever happen . Well, i think the place to look is not at the chris kol linsz of congress because those people are hard core trump supporters. Where you want to look is the people who are kind of on the margins, the republicans who have spoken out a little bit, maybe tepdly, but a little bit about russian interference at the election, maybe criticized trumps handling of the comey situation. People who are kind of on the fence. And those are kind of thats where the movement is going to occur. What i will say is that my conversations with republicans on the hill over the past couple of weeks have not suggested there are any grand plans for Serious Movement against trump. The one possibility, you know, if youre looking for movement is if mueller is fired or if it looks really likely that mueller is fired, you might see Congressional Republicans just acting out of selfinterest and, you know, urging him not to do it simply because they dont want the political pressure to shift back on to congress to be investigating this. For the most part theyve been kind of deflecting by saying well, were going to find out where the Mueller Investigation leads. If that ends, then they have a world of hurt coming to them, and i think a lot of Congressional Republicans are going to need to speak up now to prevent that situation from happening. Stay with me just for a second. Are you sure that that is where they stand . Because the question i have ask, a, would they have that same reaction if sessions were to be fired, if donald trump were is to force Jeff Sessions out. And b, dont their interests align with the white house . If the Russian Investigation went away, that would also help Congressional Republicans who would like to clear this off the books so that they could do big tax cuts and gut medicaid . Theres no question the republicans love for this to all go away. For the most part what theyre concerned about is getting some bills passed and winning reelection. That said, i think its an open question whether this would actually go away. I think if trump fired mueller or the deputy ag and then mueller, however that would end up working out p it would cause a massive political firestorm h. Im not convinced that the washington press, the national media, democrats would let them off the hook that easily. And i think that theres a concern among Congressional Republicans i talk to that this would end up just consuming months, and months and months of kind of coverage and that they would still make it impossible for them to advance their agenda. Im assuming you would be among those who would not stop covering it. But did you do have trump, his aides according to the New York Times looking for leverage against mueller. You have this vote of no confidence from donald trump to Jeff Sessions. If he were to start to instigate these firings, push sessions out, put a lackey in his place, somebody willing to fire mueller, i wonder if republicans would just go along with that because, again, if they could put in an ag who suddenly declared, weve investigated, weve found no wrongdoing, case closed, how would the washington media disentangle themselves from a new attorney general saying theres nothing there . Listen, we had an email that came out two weeks ago about that june 2016 meeting with donald trump jr. , can Jared Kushner, Paul Manafort, top, most senior, most intimate advisers and it said theyve colluded, they colluded with a putin regime representative, the prosecuted general of russia who is a putin kroney to get dirt on Hillary Clinton. They claim nothing came of the meeting but it wasnt because they didnt try. And how many republicans have reacted to that . This was out right evidence of collusion with a foreign power. Some people consider an adversary and i didnt see Mitch Mcconnell or paul ryan bat an eye over this. That tells you, i think, all you need to know. Theyve tied themselves to the mast of the ss trump and they will stay aboard until the water is over their mouth. And maybe even then. I dont see them coming out even with these trial balloons that donald trump is sending up about his ability to fire mueller or his ability to pardon himself and his family. Up dont see the Republican Leadership saying dont do that. So they are just running, theyre ducking, theyre covering and thats because not only do they fear him, they fear the fact that 80 , 90 of Republican Voters, despite republicans like Jennifer Roux bin and others, are still with trump. And thats what they fear too. So i dont see any, you know, calvary coming to the rescue in terms of Good Governance and democratic principles from republican leaders. And they will determine whether there are impeachment proceedings or anything else. I have to agree. I dont see it either. But i wonder now if you switch over to the Intelligence Community side because you have seen a fair amount of leak hg that one could say is the permanent government fighting back against what they see as an abnormal president who has by the way called his own Intelligence Community akin to naz i didnt see. If trump were to bio engineer that there would continue to be information coming to the press from the permanent government . I dont know. Lets go to the richard things on memorial like braer and see how that worked pour out for him. This is not going to work. Its not permanent government, all right. Its the machinery that p makes the United States government work, that facilitates everything that happens from the presidency on down to your streets. A part of that is the fact that they have documents. Yes. And this investigation is not you know, i say this once again. The Trump Administration clearly does not understand that this is a giant wood chip per bearing down on them and that there is no way out. If this investigation goes, its goes deeply into finances. 13 of the top financial fraud investigators in the Justice Department are already at work and they already know it. Not to mention the spy hunters. Put all of this together, theres just no way out of this freight train. That being said, you can fire them all tomorrow morning and all of that documentation is going to exist. Its going to fall off in front of the New York Times on a pallet and then the next thing you know, the investigation will shift to a Senate SelectIntelligence Committee with subpoena power and the impeachment proceedings will accelerate from the ten months that they probably are now to six months or faster. And not to mention, Jennifer Roux bin that governments always change. They always change hands and eventually democrats may get back in the house and everything changes. This is the people who are connected, just that we know of to Sergey Kislyak. This is the Washington Post sort of little things. All the additional people we may find out t. Youve got kushner, carter page, youve got Paul Manafort, donald trump and all these ties. And now you have this new information that Michael Flynn is in need of money, that Michael Flynn has started yet another consulting firm. He doesnt have the money to sort of pay for his Legal Defense. Hes still out there. And we dont talk about him much any more, but there are all these places where all these people being willing to go to jail for him, right. Its sort of amazing. And remember, none of these people ever remember meeting with the Russian Ambassador. Hes a very mem rabl figure, very large loud man, the level of do you police it here of lying about these contacts is one thing. And i think youve hit the nail on head. First of all, of all the people that donald trump has thrown overboard and ridiculed and disdand and dispensed with, why is he so defensive of Michael Flynn . Hes not a family member. He wasnt someone there at the very, very, very beginning. So what is it about Michael Flynn that has donald trump so concerned about his fate, so concerned about his reputation . I think that is one big link, one big weak link in the defense around the presidency. And youre right. I dont even think trumps relatives are going to go to jail for him. Is Jared Kushner really going to go to jail for his fatherinlaw . Dwrongs. Well see zbloochlt r. Well see. We have a prosecutor here, so let me ask him that. You tell me because youre a prosecutor. Is that the risk, that you have people who have a lot to lose who may not have the money that donald trump has, and he doesnt seem to be offering Legal Defense funds for anyone, who nen wind up cooperating with the Mueller Investigation out of their own need . And is that what the prosecutors are looking for right now. Yeah. So Michael Flynn will be one star witness. Miami thinking Paul Manafort might be another star witness. Hes got all this shady real estate transactions with trump. We can be sure that special counsel mueller has all of the bank records from trump, manafort, from everyone who is involved. So he probably is looking to flip manafort. Manafort was at this weird meeting with the russian operative with donald junior. He knows exactly what happened there. He doesnt have the same kind of loyalty that trump junior might have. So its going to be really interesting to see what happens at this meeting on wednesday. Don junior testifies for the first time on under oath. Hes got to tell the truth. Going to be asked very specific questions about russia. It seems really difficult for folks involved in the Trump Administration to tell the truth, the whole truth about russia. So really interesting hearing on wednesday. And, paul, could they be prosecuted if they were found to have lied in those hearings . Absolutely. False statements, perjury and its not enough to say that, oh, i forgot because again they have some of the worlds leading investigators and best prosecutors who are going to be on their case parsing every word they say. Thats why if it it were a regular situation no way would they go in there. 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