Meeting. Reporter we thought he was coming over to his offices behind us, but now, of course, we know theyre at his house just a fiveminute drive from where we are. We know trump requested this meeting. He wanted to develop his Foreign Policy expertise. We know of course that in the context of the last week and a half, he has been meeting with a lot of leaders in the republican establishment, speaker ryan of course, last week, with another former secretary of state. And of course, they have a lot to talk about. A lot of things that donald trump has said over the last ten months that have been controversial, the ban on muslims coming into the country, talked about nato the past few months, even yesterday, talked about meeting kim jongun. Talking about british Prime Minister david cameron. A lot they want to discuss, and of course, you know, he wants to be seen, donald trump, as being able to mend ways with the establishment that he went nine to ten mines railing on during the primaries. Shifting gears to this list. This very unusual step, as many things that donald trump does of releasing this list. But its something that the Never Trump Movement really railed on, even ted cruz would say we cant count on donald trump to fill the Supreme Court vacancies that we expect over the next few years. Now he has released this list, that has been largely praised by republican leaders, in fact, by just got a note here about Senate JudiciaryCommittee Grassley saying an impressive list of highly qualified jurists. It sounds like he is making a move in the right direction. Well see if he sticks to the list. All right, jacob, thank you for that. Let me introduce our panel for the day, business political consultant and well as founder of the group. Time contributor, former advisor to rand paul campaign. Political writer at buzzfeed news, abd nd ari melber. Lets get to kissinger. But lets start with the list. I think the Chuck Grassley quote is ifunny, leak a thing to the New York Times and they would public it, and then did you see the New York Times. Clearly, donald trump didnt just like sit in his, like, 100 million man cave penthouse and say like who do i want on this court. Will it no, like obviously there are people who are connected, the conservative legal establishment helping put this list together. Youre saying the prior aluminum tube of our era. Absolutely, this is that thing. It is what donald trump said it would be. He doesnt claim these are his ideas. He publicly said on may 21st, im going to heritage, get names from them. We called them, they said no, were not working with him. But we do have a public list on our website. Five of those names are on that list. Willett, who a state judge in texas, a very funny on twitter by the way, i would recommend him. Diana sykes, a federal judge in the 7th circuit, on the wisconsin Supreme Court, and pryor a man around. There are a few people it seems to me, paul clement, is the number one missing one i saw there, sollister general. Look, this is a very conventional list from a candidate who claims to be unconventional, and that goes to the fact that donald trump is as not a politician until he has to be one. This a politicians move to deal with the base, deal with the conservatives. This was a point of weak nls, a guy that talks about jobs and isis, were not talking about the pentagon, treasury, were hearing about weakness, because people didnt trust him. There was a lot of talk from republicans that say i dont trust him to be president , but im going to block Merrick Garland from getting a hearing, because i want what, i want donald trump to pick the next scotus. Having said all of that, its great to put names out, if it is not pandering, and Hillary Clinton should put names out. Lets discuss. Without media reaction, was yeah, a lot of the names are people that we like, but we have no reason to trust donald trump will stick with them. Thats right. Thats the issue, right. This is part of the problem. He is trying to build goodwill with the conservative base and the republican establishment still resistant, same thing with the meeting with kissinger. Its the same effort, right. But the problem is that he has lost so much trust over the course of the past year, that no one is sure that hell do them. I find the timing interesting. Because why today. Why this week. I feel like he is trying to deflect from the New York Times women story and the narrative getting more en trenched. Why does it come today . We could talk about this in a second, but the traditional way that this works, and that apparently, we have a live shots of trump exiting the there he is. He is waiving to us, thumbs up, the meeting with Henry Kissinger, the traditional way this goes, trump in some ways is actually doing the opposite. Which is to say, in the primary, he was all about bucking conservative orthodox. Even mused about his own cyster, w sister, so here he is in the primary, he runs again all the orthodox, you know has racked up the nomination and im going to get rid of doddfrank, heritage possible justices, let me meet with Henry Kissinger. Like he is ticking off the check boxes. This is donald trump understanding he needs to unify his party, understanding that there are some serious fisures that still exist. So he is taking a lot of boxes. This was actually a smart move. Because what he is doing is he is getting whether the people trust him or not, a lot of people are on record praising him for these appointments. People and that makes a difference. For this list. So what theyre saying behind closed doors i actually, credit due. The list is a good idea. Sure, you put out a list. Thats a good thing for people oh cou scrutinize it, seemingly trans parent. The problem is like what why should anyone think that he is going to did they really vet the list to see if people werent speaking out against trump that are on the list . No, they didnt, Justice Willett has a lot of tweets, facebook action. It is just the campaign. Strong word. Not fulfilling. It is not even clear they googled list. Well, so here is my question. The other big thing we saw happen was the meeting happen with kissinger. People should just, you know, do a little googling, the trial, there is a strong case, the man is complicit, because he cant leave the country, he might be indicted for things that he did while he was in the u. S. Government, pakistan, cambodia, that said, what is your reaction to this . My reaction is it is donald trump trying to paint himself as a realist. He can be a sensible republican realist of nixon and kissinger. Thats the Trump Campaign reached out to secretary baker recently. He met with james baker, and now Henry Kissinger today. Theyre trying to give him sod credibility and allies within the establishment, but james baker isnt going along. Rejects his Foreign Policy. I think there is a fantasy football aspect to this. James baker and Henry Kissinger are big names. Well said. As you said, the kissinger Foreign Policy and a lot of the way he governed is very disturbing, has not aged well. Donald trump to the extent he has a Foreign Policy, talked about being less interventionist and paying for less things, the kissinger model is very expensive, we were intervening in a ton of countries, propping up dictators, there was a lot of deceit. We dont have time to go through all of it. But it is certainly not a general election pivot. We should also say kissinger, it is bizarre to me frankly, he has a reputation he does in certain circles. He is the kind of person in another government have been hauled before a tribunal. This is the actual facts about Henry Kissinger. Hes been a wedge issue on the democratic side, because Hillary Clinton has touted the fact he praised her and there has been some he got an award the other day i think from the obama administration. And Bernie Sanders is basically said i want to have nothing do with this guy. He is not as toxic a figure on the right as he is on the left. I also would not say he is necessarily represented of theny neowe conservative that he has alienated. It somehow gives him credibil y credibility, or he thinks it does, but it doesnt mend the fences he thinks he needs to mend. But trump is a pr guy. He is a flimflam guy. He is generating a headline and figuring people will gloss over and not dig deeper, and come out with another headline tomorrow. The deeper thing, alise, youve been at the center of the fight at Foreign Policy, something youve lived. To me, the best, the only real precedent for someone like trump getting the nomination, if you look at the foreign policies is george w. Bush. The last time a republican came into power as uninformed on Foreign Policy, were george w. Bush weechlt s bush, he talked humble Foreign Policy, get rid of nation building. A huge shock in 9 11, and then we have the longest war in the america republic. A full neo conservative agenda. I think there are a lot of people in washington who want to mold donald trump and view him as a piece of clay. I think thats what is happening now. Republicans are saying who are less interventionists, he is malable, we can turn him into a realist, the center for national interest, thats the hot bed within the Republican Party. People are kind of glomming on to him. Trump is going to be trump at the end of the day and absolutely no substance. But if he was president , this is my question, would he be absorbed by the Foreign Policy establishment that also already exists, or neo conservatives steer him in the direction they want to. Trump is fairly well defined on his views. The only problem is, he says he is not for war, but he is for war crimes. I mean, he is for killing he is defined in this weird tribal sense, he is clearly in the fax that ctions, bill krist those folks dont like trump. No one world globalist conspiracy, he is hardcore with those folks. They love him. He also, i mean, the times magazine, i want to read this quote. You know, when you run for office in public life, you have to go around to a lot of places. Donald trump has never had to do that. So draper says i asked trump if he had been to iraq, never, he said. Whats the most dangerous place he had been to. Brooklyn, he said laughing. No, he went on. There are places in america that are among the most dangerous in the word. You go to oakland or ferguson, the crime numbers are worst. Let me just say, oakland mayor. Descent come back, this is being said on a day where 66 people were murdered in baghdad by isis, if i have the number correct. There has been an unending amount of bloodshed in that country. He said this while watching a news report about baghdad. But thats actually an opening for Hillary Clinton, because this is where she can cut through. Because he has not this today, shows he is yet again not making any effort in a serious way to understand and know the issues. He is just not. So this is where she can expose him and show a difference between a real clear contrast. The only opportunity she has is the debates to do that. He is so masterful at oh controlling a news cycle. She needs to make the contrast. Let me bring it around before you take off. Do you think were going to see i think some of the people, the way the neowe cons, the sort of legal elite of the party have considered themselves in the different tribe, never trump associated, do you think youre going to see validaters come out saying yeah, it is a good list, im down with this . Yeah, and i think it goes back to the original question, which is if as he said this week as well, everything is a suggestion, right, then if this is just a document of pandering, it means nothing. If those people feel they now have leverage, the names theyre looking up on the screen, they can hold them to, if there a president trump, and that is their number one issue, abortion is a fault line in politics, they can make him choose from this list, hold him to it. Thats not a new mechanism in public life. Plenty of groups on the left and right do this. He is harder to constrain, but this isnt the only list this week. He also signed a list and deal with the rnc to raise a ton of money from the people he said he wouldnt raise money from. He is malable in many ways. Ari, thank you very much. Thank you. An independent putting the future of the democratic in danger . Allergies distracting you . When your symptoms start. Doctors recommend taking. Nondrowsy claritin every day of your allergy season. Claritin provides powerful, nondrowsy 24 hour relief. For fewer interruptions from the Amazing Things you do every day. Live claritin clear. 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Short time later, sanders spoke directly to Democratic Party leadership. Let me also say a word to the leadership of the Democratic Party. Open the doors. Let the people in the other option for the Democratic Party, which i see as a very sad and tragic option, is to choose to maintain its status quo structure. Meanwhile, donald trump is weighing in on all of this today on twitter, saying, Bernie Sanders is being treated badly by the democrats, the system is rigged against him. Many of his disenfranchised fans are for me. We have both covered today. Kelly odonnell is with the Sanders Campaign in vallejo, california. Were going to start with kelly. Kelly, the Sanders Campaign, i wonder what their thinking is after combination of the results last night and what appeared to be vis a vis. Reporter theyre treying to go forward that they havent been respected, and it bubbled up over the weekend. It has been a strain throughout the process. As you mentioned, Bernie Sanders is already on stage in san jose, we skipped ahead to his next stop where hell be later this evening. You see some of the preparations going on. I can tell you that there has been this frustration that there are many sanders voters weve talked over the months who feel that the party has sort of given a nod to Hillary Clinton early on, not taking Bernie Sanders seriously enough, and although he has been able to produce big crowds consistently and a very sizable vote margin, of course, Hillary Clinton remains significantly out front when it comes to the overall vote and delegate count. So there is this frustration. You could hear it today from jeff weaver, the Bernie Sanders campaign manager, when he was a guest on ms in. Bc, talking about a real sore point between his campaign and the leadership of the Democratic National committee. The chairwoman of the Democratic National committee, i mean, it has been clear from the get go that she has been working against Bernie Sanders. I mean, there is no doubt about it. You think she is greasing the skids for Hillary Clinton . No, i dont really know what her motivation is. It has been clear a pattern of conduct from the beginning of the campaign that has been a hostile to Bernie Sanders, and his supporters, and really, you know, she has become a