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The ground has shifted dramatically. How many of a shift . I dont know. I do know this. People are very concerned about the ability of our government. It has now accelerated. Watergate took nine months. This thing seems to be taking hours. We just learned the Senate Judiciary committee is requesting all memos relating to comeys interactions from trump from the fbi. Democrats ramping up calls for an independent commission to they had russian invtition and it isot just democrats talking impeachment this time. Congressman justin amash told the him, if the details in the comey memo were true, it would merit impeachment but added, everybody gets a fair trial in this country. Earlier at the coast guard commencement, the president spoke about being treated unfairly by the media. Never, ever, ever give up. Things will work out just fine. Look at the way ive been treated lately. Especially by the media. No politician in history, and i say this with great, has been treated worse or more unfairly. You cant let them get you down. You cant let the critics and the nay sayers get in the way of your dreams. I guess thats why i won. Thank you. I guess thats why we won. The president s he 117th day in office wasnt busy enough were following news that russian president Vladimir Putin chiming in, offering to turn over transcript of last weeks meeting between President Trump and russian officials. Meanwhile, im keeping a close e on the markets. The dow is down over 300 points. The markets are down, why . Because there are no signs of the republican agenda anywhere. And i want to get to thought news. Peter alexander conversation reaction from the white house. Lucy is following the latest on putin offering up those transcripts from london. Also with us, New York Times reporter, michael schmidt. The man who broke that bombshell story, amazing, about the comey memo last night. John finer, former chief of staff for john kerry, and the former head of the office of Legal Counsel for president reagan and george h. W. Bush. We have a full house. Michael, yesterday was a pretty big day. Do you think you can double down and give us another one you . I dont know. I guess the real story is how will the republicans respond . It looks like these letters that have gone out were signed by both parties. It didnt seem like yesterday the republicans had really changed their tone many regard to mr. Trump in these investigations. Certainly the idea that this letter went out is a sign of bipartisanship. And it remains to be seen in the days that come whether the republican theres push hard and ramp up these investigations. We just heard from the White House Press secretary from sean spicer for two days in a row, they have done off camera audio only briefings. And this is after, we know that in speaking to erdogan, he said maybe some of these journalists sthog jail. There was talk that maybe we wont have these press briefings. The president is landing. He was giving the commencement speech. Two days in a row, sean spicer not on camera. I miss him. The president is traveling back from connecticut. It is not unusual for a gag tol take place. We did their xofrgs took place. And sean spicer did make news in his unwillingness. When asked about this james comey memo scandal, as it were, he said that the president has been very clear in effect, indicating that the representation, the important trail in the comey memos is not accurate. What struck me is the fact president hasnt said a word that this yet. So while he said the president has been cleared, we havent heard a single tweet from him. In fact will habthere hasnt be an on camera statement. We asked and they said do you think well get on camera and deflectnonymous soued reporting that is simply false . So their pushback has been strong this one. There was some other news breaking during the course of that flight as well. Weve now learned the president had hold his first four meetings with potential selections to be the next fbi director, with some new names included. The four names include the acting fbi director right now, Andrew Mccabe, frank keating, the former governor of oklahoma, a man by the name of Richard Mcfeely who is formerly is special agent in charge of the Baltimore Field Office for the fbi, and one name that will be notable to a lot of people. Joe leaieberman. All of them expected to meet with the president here at the white house as they are among that list of names being considered to replace james comey as the head of the fbi. Give us the reaction if youve seen today from last night. What weve seen today is, i think what the story did, which was different. It brought mr. Trump into the question. Up until this point, the reporting from us and other outlets had been about mr. Trumps associates and their ties to russia or what the federal government may be looking at with regard to the fbi investigation, our story brought mr. Trumps behavior into question and it gram mr. Comey, the man that he fired. The man after having ts interaction with mr. Trump on february 14th in the oval office, in which he asked him to look the other way, he went back and memorialized this in a detailed memo that exists today and can be subpoenaed by the hill. It moves the ball forward in a way we hadnt seen before in this story. Assuming that this memo is authenticated, look back a week to President Trump sitting down with lester holt around why he said in his own words, he fired james comey. Take a look. Regardless of recommendation i was going to fire comey knowing there was no good time to do it. In fact when i decided to do it, i said to myself, you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is a madeup story, an excuse by the democrats for having lost an election, that they should have won. Come on now. How is it President Trump is not, he is admitting that he fired james comey over the russia investigation. Now were learning in this memo, the president said, hey, can you move on from this . Does this not read to you like an obstruction of justice . Well, it is coming very, very close to that line if it is not already over it. One thing is clear, when we talk about impeachment, were talking about abuse of power. If the statements made to mr. Comey temperature dinner suggested that he was under some pressure, some intimidation, some real consequence for him if he didnt drop the investigation, clearly that would be obstruction of justice. The language says to influence or impede. I looks pretty serious. Kristen welker spoke to a member of the Freedom Caucus who earlier today, i quoted him. He said if this james comey memo is true, it is in fact grounds for President Trumps impeachment. Take a look. If the comey memo turns out to be true, will you call for impeachment is this. I have nothing further to add. Do you stand by your comments that you would call for impeachment is this. I have nothing further to add. Whose word do you trump more, President Trump or former fbi director james comey . I have nothing to add. Earlier you said that the president should be impeached if it is true. I have nothing to add. Do you think the president may have obstructed justice. Do you still have full confidence in the president . I have nothing further to add. And you also reported, i mentioned it about President Trump saying that comey should consider putting reporters in prison. So youve got justin amash who is not adding any comments now, saying maybe this is impeachment worthy. The president , talking about putting reporters in prison and john mccain said all of this noise is receiving watergate size and scale. What can you tell us about this environment . What mr. Comey was concerned about was leaks. There were a lot of leaks. About mike flynns investigaon th the ambassador, mr. Trumps qualls the foreign leaders have leaked and mr. Trump wanted the fbi to do something about it. He was really frustrated by it. And he talked about the details and mr. Trump said, look, when we were putting people in prison for this many years ago about, ten years ago, there were some results here. And that was the suggestion about putting reporters in prison. Whether were talking about leaks from the Intelligence Committee or leaks within the white house, is it not iron hike the first businessman to president , wasnt new managing a company, the issues he is facing about are about managing people. Yes. And he has not assembled a team that either he is listening or the or that is capable of directing the president s actions. There are three things here. One is, has he committed a high crime or misdemeanor that justifies his removal, one is has he violated the criminal statutes that justifies his criminal punishment, and the third as suggested in your question srgs he capable of governing . Thats an issue squarely ratsed by the 25th amendment which allows the Vice President to get the approval of the cabinet to set the president aside if he is disabled, and it is clear that many people are starting to wonder, when you see these stories changing constantly and these explanns bei only good for the minute in wch they are given, whether or not escapable of carrying out the functions of the office, and whether or not the 25th amendment should be invoked. We lost peter. Lucy, it is amazing that with all the noise going around, Vladimir Putin, of all people, offering up transcript about last weeks meeting. In addition to saying that we were dangerous, we were fools, we were making big mistakes, wlornl Vladimir Putin wanted President Trump to be the president , the russians wanted to create chaos and day sos what th , chaos is what we got the scandal over President Trump sharing classified intel as political schizophrenia, then offering to clear the air saying have you ever been ready to provide a transcript of that conversation between lavrov and President Trump to the u. S. Congress and the senate. Mr. Putin was speaking at a News Conference in sochi today and he started off sarcastically making light of this uproar in washington, saying that he would have to reprimand the Russian Foreign minister for failing to pass along these classified secrets to him, to russian intelligence agencies. Lavrov was in the audience. The cameras showed him bursting out laughing and now we see this kremlin theme, that russia is a victim of antirussian hysteria in washington. That russia unfairly gets blamed for everything that happens. Mr. Putin said of the washington establishment, either they dont understand the damage theyre doing to their own country, in which case theyre simply stupid, or they understand and everything theyre dangerous is that corrupt. Some very strong words there. Whether this was a gambit to w. The optics dont look good, especial ahead of mr. Trumps first trip abroad as public. There are a lot of questions about what went ons behind closed doors. Snth Vladimir Putin certainly no friend offering a helping hand. I want to you break down for us how significant putin offering up a transcript and i want to put into perspective, lavrov who was there last week. John mccain said that guy is a thug kgb guy who has been hanging around putin for 30 years who never should have been in the oval office to begin with. I think it is very important to point out that Vladimir Putin is not making a good faith offer here. The truth is the Trump Administration has exposed to this mockery which in large part was one of the big motivating factors in the intervention in 2016. One reason was to help trump. The other was to make our democracy essentially lose its credibility. On that score, they seem to have accomplished what they set out to do. Since we wont get this information directly from the russians, i wouldnt recommend that. I think it is important to say that these facts need on come out. What we have are ironically both republicans in congress is that the administration saying they want the facts to be known so it can be cleared up. But both entities have the power to make these facts known. The publics in congress could authorize open hearings and drag documents is that Administration Officials up to congress to make these arguments in front of congress. And trump, rather than essentially shutting down, or attempting to shut down these investigations, should be facilitating them if he has nothing to hide. I them to facts come out but not from russia. Should the United States sfonld Vladimir Putin . We know the president has changed his positions on so many things from lock her up to china as currency manipulator. But he has never quite changed his opinion or said anything or aggressive against Vladimir Putin or russia. To your point, it is not offering a helping hand in good faith. I dont consider this a serious offer so im not sure it deserve as serious response. But even as other members of trumps administration, from nikki haleiy of the United States, theyve made strong comments about russia and president Vladimir Putin. The president himself has been conspicuously quiet on that score. Why . Why the incident like the oval office the other day always seem to involve russia with this president . A lot of distractions, a lot of noise. Thank you very much. Up next, the i word. Impehment. Thats the word being floated around d. C. By not just democrat republicans alike. Stand by, everyone. We have a republican lawmaker waiting in the wings. You might not ever just stand there, looking at it. You may never even sit in the back seat. Yeah, but maybe you should. laughter how to win at business. Step one point decisively with the arm of your glasses. Abracadabra. The stage is yours. Step two choose la quinta. The only hotel where you can redeem loyalty points for a free nightinstantly and win at business. Starts with turkey covered in a rich flavorful gravy,e and a crust made from scratch. Because she knows that when its cold outside. Its good food and good company that keep you warm inside. Marie callenders. Its time to savor. Are you one sneeze away from being voted out of the carpool . Try zyrtec® its starts working hard at hour one and works twice as hard when you take it again the next day. Stick with zyrtec® and muddle no more®. We cut the price of trades to give investors even more value. And at 4. 95, you can trade with a clear advantage. Fidelity, where smarter investors will always be. And at 4. 95, you can trade with a clear advantage. In the mirror everyday. When i look when i look in the mirror everyday. Everyday, i think how fortunate i am. I think is today going to be the day, that we find a cure . I think how much i can do to help change peoples lives. I may not benefit from those breakthroughs, but im sure going to. Im bringing forward a treatment for alzheimers disease, yes, in my lifetime, i will make sure. Welcome back. Happening now, House Oversight head Jason Chaffetz announcing a meeting next wednesday morning and he is calling for james comey to attend. It is unknown if comey will be there. He jokes that comeys number has changed. This all going on as calls grow louder for President Trumps impeachment. I am joined by the congressman, what should go forward . A lot of impeachment word out there. From your perspective yorgs want to get ahead of things. What should be done . I support chairman chaffetz call. Everyone has talked about the memo but no one has read. I look forward to seeing it. I think that while that goes on, there are already investigations going on with the house Intelligence Committee, the senate Intelligence Committee. We were briefed by the craft, the director of national intelligence, nsa director a few months back with regard to an active investigation that theyre all doing. A lot of faith in our intel community. Their investigations are multifolded. This is taking a huge amount of your time. Do you think there needs to be an independent commission so you can get this off your plate and focus on the republican agenda . Im not a fan of an agenda in search of a crime. I have not yet, from those briefings with the heads of these four Law Enforcement intel agencies, i have not been presented with a shred of evidence against the United States of a crime. If anyone ever wants to provide that information to me, im certainly happy to see it or read it, to hear it and act accordingly. So for you at this point no, independent commission. You believe the current setup, there is the capacity to cover it all. Im looking at the markets at the same time down almost 300 points. The republican agenda doesnt seem to be in sight. The last time we spoke, we talked about infrastructure, tax cuts, deregulation. Is that ever going to happen . Thats what people voted for in President Trump and no one seems to be talking about that. Youre right. Theyre not talking about it but there are many different bills. Gned by congress, the house is legislating. Hold on a second. The house may have pass ad health care bill. That things barely in the senate and it will take a huge amount of time. And the markets are directly responding to the idea that a lot of executive orders have been signed but they just call for reports to be written. Were not actually seeing changes that will create jobs. I can do an interview on sxhark we will get criticized that were moving too fast and then we get criticize that had it is not moving fast enough. The way the legislative process works. The bill just passed the house. The senate is now working on it. I would need to get a clear understanding of whether or not congress is supposed to rush to Senate Judiciary<\/a> committee is requesting all memos relating to comeys interactions from trump from the fbi. Democrats ramping up calls for an independent commission to they had russian invtition and it isot just democrats talking impeachment this time. Congressman justin amash told the him, if the details in the comey memo were true, it would merit impeachment but added, everybody gets a fair trial in this country. Earlier at the coast guard commencement, the president spoke about being treated unfairly by the media. Never, ever, ever give up. Things will work out just fine. Look at the way ive been treated lately. Especially by the media. No politician in history, and i say this with great, has been treated worse or more unfairly. You cant let them get you down. You cant let the critics and the nay sayers get in the way of your dreams. I guess thats why i won. Thank you. I guess thats why we won. The president s he 117th day in office wasnt busy enough were following news that russian president Vladimir Putin<\/a> chiming in, offering to turn over transcript of last weeks meeting between President Trump<\/a> and russian officials. Meanwhile, im keeping a close e on the markets. The dow is down over 300 points. The markets are down, why . Because there are no signs of the republican agenda anywhere. And i want to get to thought news. Peter alexander conversation reaction from the white house. Lucy is following the latest on putin offering up those transcripts from london. Also with us, New York Times<\/a> reporter, michael schmidt. The man who broke that bombshell story, amazing, about the comey memo last night. John finer, former chief of staff for john kerry, and the former head of the office of Legal Counsel<\/a> for president reagan and george h. W. Bush. We have a full house. Michael, yesterday was a pretty big day. Do you think you can double down and give us another one you . I dont know. I guess the real story is how will the republicans respond . It looks like these letters that have gone out were signed by both parties. It didnt seem like yesterday the republicans had really changed their tone many regard to mr. Trump in these investigations. Certainly the idea that this letter went out is a sign of bipartisanship. And it remains to be seen in the days that come whether the republican theres push hard and ramp up these investigations. We just heard from the White House Press<\/a> secretary from sean spicer for two days in a row, they have done off camera audio only briefings. And this is after, we know that in speaking to erdogan, he said maybe some of these journalists sthog jail. There was talk that maybe we wont have these press briefings. The president is landing. He was giving the commencement speech. Two days in a row, sean spicer not on camera. I miss him. The president is traveling back from connecticut. It is not unusual for a gag tol take place. We did their xofrgs took place. And sean spicer did make news in his unwillingness. When asked about this james comey memo scandal, as it were, he said that the president has been very clear in effect, indicating that the representation, the important trail in the comey memos is not accurate. What struck me is the fact president hasnt said a word that this yet. So while he said the president has been cleared, we havent heard a single tweet from him. In fact will habthere hasnt be an on camera statement. We asked and they said do you think well get on camera and deflectnonymous soued reporting that is simply false . So their pushback has been strong this one. There was some other news breaking during the course of that flight as well. Weve now learned the president had hold his first four meetings with potential selections to be the next fbi director, with some new names included. The four names include the acting fbi director right now, Andrew Mccabe<\/a>, frank keating, the former governor of oklahoma, a man by the name of Richard Mcfeely<\/a> who is formerly is special agent in charge of the Baltimore Field Office<\/a> for the fbi, and one name that will be notable to a lot of people. Joe leaieberman. All of them expected to meet with the president here at the white house as they are among that list of names being considered to replace james comey as the head of the fbi. Give us the reaction if youve seen today from last night. What weve seen today is, i think what the story did, which was different. It brought mr. Trump into the question. Up until this point, the reporting from us and other outlets had been about mr. Trumps associates and their ties to russia or what the federal government may be looking at with regard to the fbi investigation, our story brought mr. Trumps behavior into question and it gram mr. Comey, the man that he fired. The man after having ts interaction with mr. Trump on february 14th in the oval office, in which he asked him to look the other way, he went back and memorialized this in a detailed memo that exists today and can be subpoenaed by the hill. It moves the ball forward in a way we hadnt seen before in this story. Assuming that this memo is authenticated, look back a week to President Trump<\/a> sitting down with lester holt around why he said in his own words, he fired james comey. Take a look. Regardless of recommendation i was going to fire comey knowing there was no good time to do it. In fact when i decided to do it, i said to myself, you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is a madeup story, an excuse by the democrats for having lost an election, that they should have won. Come on now. How is it President Trump<\/a> is not, he is admitting that he fired james comey over the russia investigation. Now were learning in this memo, the president said, hey, can you move on from this . Does this not read to you like an obstruction of justice . Well, it is coming very, very close to that line if it is not already over it. One thing is clear, when we talk about impeachment, were talking about abuse of power. If the statements made to mr. Comey temperature dinner suggested that he was under some pressure, some intimidation, some real consequence for him if he didnt drop the investigation, clearly that would be obstruction of justice. The language says to influence or impede. I looks pretty serious. Kristen welker spoke to a member of the Freedom Caucus<\/a> who earlier today, i quoted him. He said if this james comey memo is true, it is in fact grounds for President Trump<\/a>s impeachment. Take a look. If the comey memo turns out to be true, will you call for impeachment is this. I have nothing further to add. Do you stand by your comments that you would call for impeachment is this. I have nothing further to add. Whose word do you trump more, President Trump<\/a> or former fbi director james comey . I have nothing to add. Earlier you said that the president should be impeached if it is true. I have nothing to add. Do you think the president may have obstructed justice. Do you still have full confidence in the president . I have nothing further to add. And you also reported, i mentioned it about President Trump<\/a> saying that comey should consider putting reporters in prison. So youve got justin amash who is not adding any comments now, saying maybe this is impeachment worthy. The president , talking about putting reporters in prison and john mccain said all of this noise is receiving watergate size and scale. What can you tell us about this environment . What mr. Comey was concerned about was leaks. There were a lot of leaks. About mike flynns investigaon th the ambassador, mr. Trumps qualls the foreign leaders have leaked and mr. Trump wanted the fbi to do something about it. He was really frustrated by it. And he talked about the details and mr. Trump said, look, when we were putting people in prison for this many years ago about, ten years ago, there were some results here. And that was the suggestion about putting reporters in prison. Whether were talking about leaks from the Intelligence Committee<\/a> or leaks within the white house, is it not iron hike the first businessman to president , wasnt new managing a company, the issues he is facing about are about managing people. Yes. And he has not assembled a team that either he is listening or the or that is capable of directing the president s actions. There are three things here. One is, has he committed a high crime or misdemeanor that justifies his removal, one is has he violated the criminal statutes that justifies his criminal punishment, and the third as suggested in your question srgs he capable of governing . Thats an issue squarely ratsed by the 25th amendment which allows the Vice President<\/a> to get the approval of the cabinet to set the president aside if he is disabled, and it is clear that many people are starting to wonder, when you see these stories changing constantly and these explanns bei only good for the minute in wch they are given, whether or not escapable of carrying out the functions of the office, and whether or not the 25th amendment should be invoked. We lost peter. Lucy, it is amazing that with all the noise going around, Vladimir Putin<\/a>, of all people, offering up transcript about last weeks meeting. In addition to saying that we were dangerous, we were fools, we were making big mistakes, wlornl Vladimir Putin<\/a> wanted President Trump<\/a> to be the president , the russians wanted to create chaos and day sos what th , chaos is what we got the scandal over President Trump<\/a> sharing classified intel as political schizophrenia, then offering to clear the air saying have you ever been ready to provide a transcript of that conversation between lavrov and President Trump<\/a> to the u. S. Congress and the senate. Mr. Putin was speaking at a News Conference<\/a> in sochi today and he started off sarcastically making light of this uproar in washington, saying that he would have to reprimand the Russian Foreign<\/a> minister for failing to pass along these classified secrets to him, to russian intelligence agencies. Lavrov was in the audience. The cameras showed him bursting out laughing and now we see this kremlin theme, that russia is a victim of antirussian hysteria in washington. That russia unfairly gets blamed for everything that happens. Mr. Putin said of the washington establishment, either they dont understand the damage theyre doing to their own country, in which case theyre simply stupid, or they understand and everything theyre dangerous is that corrupt. Some very strong words there. Whether this was a gambit to w. The optics dont look good, especial ahead of mr. Trumps first trip abroad as public. There are a lot of questions about what went ons behind closed doors. Snth Vladimir Putin<\/a> certainly no friend offering a helping hand. I want to you break down for us how significant putin offering up a transcript and i want to put into perspective, lavrov who was there last week. John mccain said that guy is a thug kgb guy who has been hanging around putin for 30 years who never should have been in the oval office to begin with. I think it is very important to point out that Vladimir Putin<\/a> is not making a good faith offer here. The truth is the Trump Administration<\/a> has exposed to this mockery which in large part was one of the big motivating factors in the intervention in 2016. One reason was to help trump. The other was to make our democracy essentially lose its credibility. On that score, they seem to have accomplished what they set out to do. Since we wont get this information directly from the russians, i wouldnt recommend that. I think it is important to say that these facts need on come out. What we have are ironically both republicans in congress is that the administration saying they want the facts to be known so it can be cleared up. But both entities have the power to make these facts known. The publics in congress could authorize open hearings and drag documents is that Administration Officials<\/a> up to congress to make these arguments in front of congress. And trump, rather than essentially shutting down, or attempting to shut down these investigations, should be facilitating them if he has nothing to hide. I them to facts come out but not from russia. Should the United States<\/a> sfonld Vladimir Putin<\/a> . We know the president has changed his positions on so many things from lock her up to china as currency manipulator. But he has never quite changed his opinion or said anything or aggressive against Vladimir Putin<\/a> or russia. To your point, it is not offering a helping hand in good faith. I dont consider this a serious offer so im not sure it deserve as serious response. But even as other members of trumps administration, from nikki haleiy of the United States<\/a>, theyve made strong comments about russia and president Vladimir Putin<\/a>. The president himself has been conspicuously quiet on that score. Why . Why the incident like the oval office the other day always seem to involve russia with this president . A lot of distractions, a lot of noise. Thank you very much. Up next, the i word. Impehment. Thats the word being floated around d. C. By not just democrat republicans alike. Stand by, everyone. We have a republican lawmaker waiting in the wings. You might not ever just stand there, looking at it. You may never even sit in the back seat. Yeah, but maybe you should. laughter how to win at business. Step one point decisively with the arm of your glasses. Abracadabra. The stage is yours. Step two choose la quinta. The only hotel where you can redeem loyalty points for a free nightinstantly and win at business. Starts with turkey covered in a rich flavorful gravy,e and a crust made from scratch. Because she knows that when its cold outside. Its good food and good company that keep you warm inside. Marie callenders. Its time to savor. Are you one sneeze away from being voted out of the carpool . Try zyrtec\u00ae its starts working hard at hour one and works twice as hard when you take it again the next day. Stick with zyrtec\u00ae and muddle no more\u00ae. We cut the price of trades to give investors even more value. And at 4. 95, you can trade with a clear advantage. Fidelity, where smarter investors will always be. And at 4. 95, you can trade with a clear advantage. In the mirror everyday. When i look when i look in the mirror everyday. Everyday, i think how fortunate i am. I think is today going to be the day, that we find a cure . I think how much i can do to help change peoples lives. I may not benefit from those breakthroughs, but im sure going to. Im bringing forward a treatment for alzheimers disease, yes, in my lifetime, i will make sure. Welcome back. Happening now, House Oversight<\/a> head Jason Chaffetz<\/a> announcing a meeting next wednesday morning and he is calling for james comey to attend. It is unknown if comey will be there. He jokes that comeys number has changed. This all going on as calls grow louder for President Trump<\/a>s impeachment. I am joined by the congressman, what should go forward . A lot of impeachment word out there. From your perspective yorgs want to get ahead of things. What should be done . I support chairman chaffetz call. Everyone has talked about the memo but no one has read. I look forward to seeing it. I think that while that goes on, there are already investigations going on with the house Intelligence Committee<\/a>, the senate Intelligence Committee<\/a>. We were briefed by the craft, the director of national intelligence, nsa director a few months back with regard to an active investigation that theyre all doing. A lot of faith in our intel community. Their investigations are multifolded. This is taking a huge amount of your time. Do you think there needs to be an independent commission so you can get this off your plate and focus on the republican agenda . Im not a fan of an agenda in search of a crime. I have not yet, from those briefings with the heads of these four Law Enforcement<\/a> intel agencies, i have not been presented with a shred of evidence against the United States<\/a> of a crime. If anyone ever wants to provide that information to me, im certainly happy to see it or read it, to hear it and act accordingly. So for you at this point no, independent commission. You believe the current setup, there is the capacity to cover it all. Im looking at the markets at the same time down almost 300 points. The republican agenda doesnt seem to be in sight. The last time we spoke, we talked about infrastructure, tax cuts, deregulation. Is that ever going to happen . Thats what people voted for in President Trump<\/a> and no one seems to be talking about that. Youre right. Theyre not talking about it but there are many different bills. Gned by congress, the house is legislating. Hold on a second. The house may have pass ad health care bill. That things barely in the senate and it will take a huge amount of time. And the markets are directly responding to the idea that a lot of executive orders have been signed but they just call for reports to be written. Were not actually seeing changes that will create jobs. I can do an interview on sxhark we will get criticized that were moving too fast and then we get criticize that had it is not moving fast enough. The way the legislative process works. The bill just passed the house. The senate is now working on it. I would need to get a clear understanding of whether or not congress is supposed to rush to Pass Health Care<\/a> or ensure that we get it right . It is not a matter of rushing to get health care through. But it is a matter of, can you focus health care . Today, for example, we expected will gary cohen, Steve Mnuchin<\/a> to be on the hill possibly talking tax reform. Thats not happening. Right now it is all things comey. And in congress, this morning i was a inside of a meeting with my entire House Republican<\/a> conference where were talking about tax reform and talking about health care and other issues as well that are important to the american people, when i walk outside of the room, and there are dozens of cameras waiting for us, all they want to talk about is comey. And they want to talk about President Trump<\/a>. And there is a strong desire amongst people who have pledged to resist on, pose, obstruct entirely, they say you cant work the president because if you work with him at all youll normalize his presidency. Even though ill spend my day with my colleagues working on zpairm the ways and Means Committee<\/a> is having a hearing and that process is moving, thats a reality. We cant ignore it as if it is not happening. You and i are having a discussion on this other topic. While you and i are talking on args literally the ways and Means Committee<\/a> is on the ways of moving a tax reform process that will hopefully move our economy and protect the American Worker<\/a> and increase gdp. Thats a good discussion to have. By the way, republican that, democrats, liberal or conservative. It doesnt matter your stripes. Those conversations that are going to and should be going on, theyre great. And they should be praised even if theyre not will worthy of the headline right now. Im here talking about it. I would love to give you the headline. When will we see the tax reform bill . Well, the president just a few weeks ago released his plan. It is a little different than what the house plan, the house released a bill with a former chairman. Over the course of the last material they have offered up something a little different than what the president proposed so now the ways and Means Committee<\/a> is having a hearing. Were moving into as a next step, the choice act which is related to dodd frank. Hopefully if that passes in the next couple weeks we can move to health reform. Choice act now and hopefully tax reform after that. In your heart of hearts, that bill, that summary the president put forward a few weeks ago, could you show that to your constituents as a real bill . The proposal wasnt in legislative form. So i can show what the president proposed as a proposal thats on paper and different ideas reted to e Corporate Income<\/a> tax rate, for example, reducing the number of brackets the seven to three and so on. But what i wouldnt do is present a piece of paymeper andy thats a bill craft. That comes out of the house ways and Means Committee<\/a> as it completes its hearing and markup over the next few weeks and moves toward the floor. As far as tax reform goes, an exact time line, i dont know. It could be as little as a few weeks. It could be a couple months down the road. We go on recess in august. I would love to see it pass before we leave for august recess. Before we go, joe are liebermans name has been floated as possible fbi director. Our own Joe Scarborough<\/a> reached out and said i would rather not say. Would you like to see joe be in that seat . Joe lieberman, no offense to Joe Scarborough<\/a>. I think he might like his day job with you more. As far as Joe Lieberman<\/a>, highly respectable. A lot of great names have been mentioned. Senator leeieberman, thats a n one but he is very highly regarded on both sides of the aisle. Coming up, meeting the burden of proof. Is the explosive comey memo enough to prove President Trump<\/a> violated h oath of office or even the law . Still to come, ill be joined by the democratic congressman who is part of the growing momentum for the loud calls for impeachment. Nosy neighbor with a keen sense of smell. Glad bag, full of trash. What happens next . Nothing. Only glad has febreze to neutralize odors for 5 days. Guaranteed. Even the most perceptive noses wont notice the trash. Be happy. Its glad. Ive been blind since birth. I go through periods where its hard to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. Learn about non24 by calling 8448442424. Or visit my24info. Com. When the president does it, that means it is not illegal. By definition. Exactly. No sex of any kind of any matter, shape or form was an utterly false statement. Is that correct . It depends upon what the meaning of the word is. Cant tk about impeachment without bringing up nixon and clinton. By the way, tha legendary frost 9 11on interview, are you ready for this . Happened 40 years ago this month. Here we are today discussing the merits of impeachment. I want to bring in jeffrey rosen, president and ceo and professor at George Washington<\/a> universitys law school. Impeachment is a serious thing. I hate to jump and get ahead of ourselves. Can you please tell us about the legal burden here and how the comey memo cosmetic even begin to advance to that conversation . The constitutional standard for impeachment is a high crime or a misdemeanor. But impeachment as a former president gerald ford famously said is whatever Congress Says<\/a> it is. So if the house decides that the comey memos are kind of obstruction of justice that constitute a high crime, they can vote for articles of impeachment. If theyre not convinced, they wont. The legal standard, an intent to obstruct or impede an official investigation, requires a specific intent that the president would have to be trying to shut down the russia investigation, rather than just protect a friend like mike flynn, who he didnt think was guilty of anything serious. But the house doesnt have to be bound by those legal technicalities. Could it decide if the political heat is so great, that they want to vote out the articles. It is a political more than a judicial act and congress decide a high crime is whatever it thinks it is. If it is a given act, it seems up likely, two president s have been officially impeached. Andrew johnson in the 1800s for what was the reconstruction after the civil war, and president clinton in the sex scandal. Richard nix only resigned before he could be impeached. Although there is little doubt he would have been convicted, do trumps actions hold weight compared to these exam wills . Well, nixon would have been impeached and that wasnt obstruction of justice. There were tapes that showed he had ordered the shutdown of an investigation into the watergate breakin so. If a smoking gun emerged that not only did the president tell comey to not look into the investigation, but also that he believed unless vehicles was shut down, he would be implicated, that would sound a lot like watergate. On the other hand, if he didnt have that specific intent, it wouldnt. Watergate shows you 97 know when the political tide will shift. Nixon didnt lose support in the house until the last months. So things can turn very quick will. As new drips in the story emerge, the political tide could shift quite quickly. More than drips. Senator Joe Lieberman<\/a> will be interviewed officially for the position of fbi director. Peter, what are you hearing . We now heard this information from sean spicer within the last 45 minutes or so. Information that he broke on board the flight the president was taking on board the flight from connecticut. The president just arriving at the white house moments ago. Weve learned that joe lienorman, the former senator from connecticut, will be interviewed by the president today. Our colleague Joe Scarborough<\/a> of morning joe happened to be on that flight and he had the opportunity to pose the question to him. Asking him specifically, if offered the fbi director job, he would accept it . The words of leeieberman sayingi would rather not say. He said it was not a position that he was seeking. Suffice to say he will be here at the white house this afternoon. One of four individuals who will be meeting with the president. The first four interviews, names that were provided by the department of justice. The attorney general Jeff Sessions<\/a> and Rod Rosenstein<\/a> doing vetting. Those four interviews taking place today. Among those, Andrew Mccabe<\/a> and frank keating, the former governor of oklahoma. Stephanie . Moments ago we were showing images of Joe Lieberman<\/a> arriving into d. C. I spoke to a republican who by the way, i want to commend for coming on tv right now. I recognize this is not an easy time. Certainly not an easy time to answer questions about the i word. Why throw out the word impeachment so fast . Ill find out. Stand by. Weve done well in life, with help from our advisor, we made it through many market swings. Sure we could travel, take it easy. 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Theres so much drama and reaction out there. In terms of of getting something done, impeachment seems somewhat far off. If you look at what the president has done. It is not necessarily a high crime. Would you not be better served working with republicans to work the president to say it is comey, lavrov, going back and forth on so many different agenda items, and if youre paubl, you wont get to any agenda items. Shouldnt you maybe look to republicans . I sit on the house Judiciary Committee<\/a> which is where any impeachment proceeding would start. If the president engaged the in that, it is a high crime. Recall we absolutely need a special prosecutor the investigate the president to see if he violated federal law. Do you believe you can get enough republicans on board . Until now they basically got in line behind the president but they have on toonls their constituents. Many people voted for the president based on health care, tax reform, deregulation. Can you get the republicans to get on board with you for the great ger greater good . Yes. More and more republicans are calling for a special prosecutor. And keep in mind, Deputy Rosenstein<\/a> makes call. He can either appoint a special prosecutor or he can flush his integrity down the toilet no. One believes that deputy are director rosenstein can do this without a conflict of interest. Then why rush to impeachment . If you can get a special prosecutor, an independent commission, why not give republicans the time on look through this and work on it, rather handle the bulldoze it through . Youll have a much harder time with you. I agree. I have time investigate obstruction of justice as well as dereliction of duty. When the president leaked highly classified information to the russian ambassador, that was a dereliction of duty. He threw our ally israel under the bus and he gave highly Sensitive Information<\/a> to our adversary. And we need investigations on both those counts. Congressman, you know President Trump<\/a> likes the watch cable news, if you have a moment with him, what do you want to tell him sf. Tell truth, mr. President. The American Public<\/a> deserves it. There you have it. Congressman ted lieu, thank you for joining me today. Up next, russia is back at it. Meddling in our democracy again. Vladimir putin says he has a tra transkrimt of that private oval office discussion. Well take you live to moscow after this quick break. Ready or not, here i come. Anyone can dream. Making it a reality is the hard part. Northrop grumman command and control systems always let you see the complete picture. And were looking for a few dreamers to join us. Adult 7 promotes alertness and mental sharpness in dogs 7 and older. ray the difference has been incredible. She is much more aware. She wants to learn things. vo purina pro plan bright mind. Nutrition that performs. Theres nothing more than my vacation. 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Joining me, the senior fellow at the council for foreign relations. Andrew, come on now. Vladimir putin is clearly trolling us easy to see that th kremlin is taking advantage and theyre trolling us and then donald trump with this offer today. That said, i would say that the Trump Administration<\/a> isnt making it very hard. If we look at the trip by lavrov, we can see that the kremlin really controlled it everybody step of the way, from getting the visit to the oval office in the first place, to the appearance of sergey kislyak, the russian ambassador, the photographs that were put out, the russians being the only people who held a press conference, so you can see that the kremlin is sort of taking advantage of this sort of aura of secrecy but leaky administration right now in washington and today was the last, or latest step in that not exactly diabolical, but the sort of trolling that the kremlin likes to do. Max, senator mark warner said this afternoon hes very concerned about that putin transcript on the top of trump saying he might have recordings of comey. Do you agree that the two biggest problems the president is dealing with right now are essentially about transscripts . People were prepared for him to not necessarily understand tax reform or health care, but transcripts, running a business, keeping it running, a tight ship, thats his problem . Well, i think his problems go to potential high crimes and misdemeanors. The question of whether he has committed obstruction of justice in firing fbi director comey and now as we learn in asking comey to end the investigation of mike flynn as well as the other recent revelations about how trump has shared code word secret information with the russians. I mean, those are pretty big problems, and i mean, you can say they go to a lack of management, perhaps, but i think it really goes to trumps desire to squelch this probe into connections, possible connections, between the trump campaign, and the kremlin. I mean, he is obviously besides himself. Hes desperate to exonerate himself. In the process, its quite possible that he has committed obstruction of justice. Well, as a person who has just run a family business, not been in government, or run a large corporation, hes not necessarily familiar with account b accountability and youre held to account when youre the president. Andrew, max, thank you both so much. So much to cover. Next, dow having the worst day since september as the buzz of the comey memo on President Trump<\/a> rattles the markets. Standby, everybody. Were going to go live down to the exchange, next. It starts a chain reaction. Thats heard throughout the connected business world. 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I want to bring in cnbc contributor ron insana. Ron, markets waking up to the chaos in washington . Reporter i think yesterdays headlines put the market over the edge with respect to this. The dollar, stephanie, already has been declining over the last several days amid some of the concerns not the least of which was the sharing of code word, sensitive data, with the russians and last nights revelations from various news sources about whether or not the president asked former fbi director comey to go easy or to abandon the investigation of general flynn. That rose to a much different level, really, if you will, of intransigence on the part of the president. I think the market here is just beginning to play catchup with whats been happening in washington. The market is lagging. Its been supported by strong economic data, strong Profit Growth<\/a> and other things much more germane to the stock markets value, but now this is the type of interruption, type of uncertainty clearly the market doesnt like. The strong economic numbers had the market chugging along for the last eight years. That trump boom was based on those promises, probusiness, deregulation, cutting taxes. The fact that this disruption, the comey disruption, the lavrov disruption, is only getting bigger, is it making investors suddenly feel like were never going to see the day when these trump promises come to fruition . Well, nevers a long time, but certainly weve gone from anticipating tax reform getting passed as promised by treasury secretary mnuchin by the august recess. Now everybody is talking about 2018. The fate of Health Care Reform<\/a> is uncertain. Infrastructure spending, uncertain. Deregulatory efforts, uncertain as well. So, thats a type of thing that the market had priced in immediately after President Trump<\/a> was elected in a surprise result and so the market favorably was favorably predisposed to his election because those things were likely coming down the pike through a republicancontrolled congress. Now the timing of that is uncertain to say the least, and so the market is now rightly, i think, catching up to the notion that the president may be h hamstrung for a longer period than anticipated. If the market would be hamstrung, uncertainty is the last thing the market likes. Would the market prefer it if the president stepped down and made way for mike pence or impeachment seems so unlikely and would take so long, i think the market would hate that. Reporter yeah, i think to the extent if this were to be dragged out as long as Something Like<\/a> watergate or was a spectacle like the impeachment of president clinton, thats a considerable overhang. Having said that, the market did reasonably well in 1998 after the impeachment proceedings were over. I think you dont want that type of overhang and to the extent that a president perhaps should Something Like<\/a> that ever come to pass would have the backing of congress to pass all these probusiness measures, then the market would get over that hurdle of being upset by the political disruption that were seeing right now, but since were creating an uncertain timeline, since theres an uncertain resolution, since this process could drag on, the think the markets starting to catch on. The market is starting to take these items a little more seriously than it has in the past. President trump has never been a markets guy. Hes not somebody who even did business with a large u. S. Investment banks. How much pressure is there, how many eyes from the streets perspective are on gary cohn . The white house economic adviser, former president and c. O. O. Of goldman, a lifetime trader who truly knows the markets. If gary cohn were to throw the towel in and say i cant get it done here, what would that do . Reporter that would accelerate the correction in the stock market that began today. Any departures from the administration would be problematic insofar as you have a lack of confidence in an existing government, you typically have some market response to it. So this may be the beginning of it. Were about closing on the lows of the day. Certainly the selling is catching up to the reality. And so there could be more Downside Pressure<\/a> and it really depends on what the headlines look like in the next 10, 2 12, 24 hours. Markets go up, they go down. This noise, this distraction doesnt seem to be going away. Ron insana, thank withdrew you. This wraps up my busy hour for me. See you back here tomorrow at 9 00 a. M. Thank you for watching. My friend, nicolle wallace, starts with deadline white house. 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