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MSNBCW MSNBC Live December 31, 2018

What were talking about is a physical barrier where it makes sense. Two of the president s generals set to depart, leaving major questions about the fate of the middle east policy. Another former general is blasting the commander in chief and not just his isis strategy. You think hes a liar . I dont think etells the truth. Immoral in your view . I think he is. The breaking news, the highest profile democrat yet officially wading into president ial waters. In just the last half hour, senator Elizabeth Warren announced the launch of a 2020 president ial Exploratory Committee. The democrat from massachusetts releasing a 4 1 2 minute bio graph call video ending on this note. No matter where you live in america and no matter where your family came from in the world, you deserve a path to opportunity. Thats why today im launching an Exploratory Committee for president. If we organize together, if we fight together, if we persist together, we can win. We can and we will. We have been playing this game for quite a while. Who was going to get in first. Who was going to make the first jump. Now we know its Elizabeth Warren. What can you tell us . Thats right, with all due respect to john delaney and julio castro who have already taken more of this for 2020. Its not a surprise shes announcing today. Weve expected this for some time. But when she says in her announcement video the american middle class is under attack, that political corruption is poisoning our democracy. In an email to supporters, she says the American People deserve a debate about how to restore the middle class and who best to lead that debate. They say she wanted to make this announcement today for two reasons. One is, its actually a technical reason, she doesnt have a leadership pact like some others do. This allows her to start raising money. And maybe doing some political travel which we might see in less than a week. The other point they want to send is warren is really going to run her own campaign on her own terms. Theyre going to stick to their playbook and run the kind of campaign they want to do. Warren of course was just reelected to a second term in the senate. Shell be sworn in for that second term on thursday. It will be interesting in the senate to see her interact with the likes of cory booker, Camilla Harris, some of the other bigname democrats we expect to get in the race soon. We expect shell be heading to some of those early states. Where its cold in cambridge, thank you. Let me bring in my panel. Charlie sikes. Doug burnel. I want to ask you both to look at warren and doug, im going to start with you, in a minute or so, give me the pros and cons of her candidacy. Shes popular with the progressive base. A lot of folks wanted her to run in 2016. I think she has the ability to raise grassroots money. Shes got a history of taking on wall street. Has been a vocal critic of donald trump. And her proximity to New Hampshire helps with being close to being a senator from massachusetts, that will help with the first in the nation primary. Its clear to me she has a message. Which is helpful in a president ial race. I think thshe starts out in certainly the top tier. A lot of things will happen in the next few months. I think the message in her video is not surprising. She says americas middle class is under attack. Corruption is poisoning our democracy. When you look at her as the first of what may be 12, 15, 20 democrats who are going to run, how does she stack up as somebody who can win the nomination and b, beat trump . Her big problem is she can get lost in that crowd. Dougs absolutely right. All the boxes he checked here. Keep in mind there was that Suffolk University pole recently asking who democrats were excited about running and only 27 of democrats said they were really excited about warren. 33 said they would rather she did not run. So she was six points under water there. This is going to be a very crowded field. She may not have the star power of a Camilla Harris or cory booker. Bernie sand sers going to be competing for that progressive vote. One of the reasons i think she got out early was she needs to distinguish herself. Otherwise she, in fact, might the buzz might turn about you know, negatively because of some of these soft polls for her. This is somebody who does have a rolodex of a small donor base. I think she raised about 42 million in 2012. Didnt have quite as tough a race in 2018 but i think she still raised a little over 30 million and was able to transfer 15,000 to her president ial campaign. Does this give her advantage in terms of just getting it going . Starting to get the kind of ridiculous subjects of money that everyones going to need if theyre going to be a serious contender . It helps to get out early. It also helps with staff. You have a lot of folks who a lot of these campaigns are or campaigns to be are talking to talent and staff and personnel. Folks are on the sidelines sort of waiting to see who jumps in. I think that will help in getting staff. Also in key states like iowa and New Hampshire and South Carolina. Yes, look, money is not going to be as easy for her to raise as it was in a senate race because shes going to be competing against other progressive stars. She needs to get out there early and establish herself. And also get her name i. D. Raised in states out in places like iowa, South Carolina and others where she may not be that well known. Shes stood by her comments about her american ancestry. The New York Times says, advisers close to warren say she has privately expressed concern she may have damaged her relationships to native american groups and her own standing with activists, particularly those who are racial minorities. The advisers say ms. Warren will have to confront the issue again if she announces a president ial campaign. Is this something that really is worrisome in the big picture . Is this something that will resonate with early voters . Or maybe by then its all going to have blown over . What do you think . We have very short Attention Spans but this was the defining thing for her. She would rather be talking about her economic plan then the dna test which did not play well. One of the questions democrats are going to ask is how will she match up with donald trump . Does she know how to counter punch against trump . Almost seems like she took trumps bait. S she comes out with this dna that kind of backfired. I do think that raised some questions about with shes ready for prime time. Again this whole campaign is going to be about testing. Theyre going to have to walk through fire in order to get through that nomination. Thats something, you know, right now if you were to ask the average voter, what do you know about warren, im afraid a large percentage would mention that particular issue. People have been talking about the three bs, biden, bernie, beto. In iowa, 32 favored bien. 19, sanders. 11 liked beto. Having said that, shes not the only woman running. At least i think one person of color. Having said that, doug, does it matter shes a woman . Does it help her with this momentum following the year of the woman . The three people looked at as frontrunners are white men. I dont know if it helps her or not. I agree with charlie in terms of theyll be different lanes. I think shes going to be i think shes in a lane e thi k shes in a bracket of women and progressives. I dont know if its so much going to help her or hurt her. Its always been challenging for women to run on campaigns. Just sort of attacks they face that men dont face. Something shes fought and won over her career. I would never say its going to be easier for her but i do think shes got a i think getting out like she has, communicate ago clear message is going to be helpful. Really i think ultimately what a lot of democratic donors and what personnel and others are looking at, you know, is what Vice President biden is going to do before a lot of decisions are going to be made. Just the beginning of our conversations like this. Thank you. Happy new year. Thank you. Happy new year. Up next, President Trump digging in on the shutdown undercutting every chance his allies are giving him to reach a deal. Comfort. What we deliver by delivering. If you have moderate to thsevere rheumatoid arthritis, month after month, the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage. Ongoing pain and stiffness are signs of joint erosion. Humira can help stop the clock. Prescribed for 15 years, humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation that contributes to joint pain and irreversible damage. 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The tooips reporting that the president who campaigned on his ability to cut deals has not reached out to democratic leaders. Produce nd no meaningful progre. But the sense of distrust continues. Fueling that distrust, President Trumps first public statements on the deaths of two Migrant Children in u. S. Custody. Hes blaming the democrats. After a twohour lunch meeting with President Trump yesterday, his ally is floating a proposal he says could end the standoff. The president didnt commit. But i think hes very open minded. I know theres some democrats out there. Who would be willing to provide money for wall Border Security if we could deal with the daca population and tps people. Nbcs Geoff Bennett is at the white house for us. Last date for john kelly, the outgoing chief of staff. The president says huhuh, what you just said in that interview, not true. Heres some context. Because its important for people to know that dhs officials and Border Patrol authorities have been saying for years. I covered congressional hearings in 2016 where there were representatives from the dhs who says when you talk about building a barrier, you need whats called situational awareness. You have to be able to see the other side of that barrier. Thats why they preferred metal fencing over a concrete wall. Thats what informs john kellys to the l. A. Times when he says this. To be honest, its not a wall. The president still says wall. Hell say barrier or fencing. Now hes tended towards steel slats. But we left the solid conceal wall early on in the administration. When we asked people what they needed and where they needed it. We talked about the substantive part of it. The Political Part is weve seen time and time again the president s top aides and allies trying to create an offramp for him. So in the event he does accept Border Security funding that democrats say theyre prepared to give him, it wont look like hes caving. Apparently, that wasnt good enough for donald trump. Earlier, he tweeted this. He says, an all concrete wall was never abandoned. As has been reported by the media. Some areas will all be concrete but the experts at Border Patrol prefer a wall that is seethrough. Makes sense to me. Well, we know this border wall is a nonstarter for democrats. It appears in some ways were back at square one. The president is talking about this border wall he wants that democrats say they will not give him. Lets talk more about what we know happened in that building behind you when senator graham sat down with the president yesterday. Whats this possible dcompromis hes talking about . Hes reintroducing daca protections. He says he wants to see a deal that will give work permits and Legal Authority to qualified undocumented immigrants in exchange for the billions of dollars that donald trump wants for a border barrier. Might that be acceptable to democrats . Perhaps. Heres the thing, as weve just seen from this tweet, only donald trump can speak for donald trump. Not Lindsey Graham, not john kelly, not kellyanne conway. As garrett knows, you have Senior Republicans on the hill who felt burned by donald trump who has said things and signaled he would agree to things only to find out that wasnt the case. So, again, not clear donald trump will sign off on it. What donald trump says, whether or not it comes to fruition, is always a question mark. Any democrats you know of feeling a little heartened by what they heard from Lindsey Graham . No, not particularly. The bottom line to democrats up here is they dont believe the president is in favor of something until it comes out of his mouth and even then it may not be the case. Graham is a deal maker but he also freelances. Hell float ideas that are his ideas, try to build support for them. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt. The fact he came out of that Oval Office Meeting and said the president was supportive but not ready to sign off doesnt get very far. The president often has people leave meetings with him convinced that he supports what they support. That doesnt turn out to be the case. Democrats will ultimately need the president to do much more about what it is he wants. Affirmatively what it is he wants, not what hell oppose. They felt burned the last time that Immigration Reform, sort of the Bigger Picture Immigration Reform that came up last spring, got undercut by the president at the last minute. The idea of striking a bigger deal isnt particularly appealing to democrats when they cant even nail the president down on what he wants with this relatively small section of the argument were having here about a wall versus a fence versus steel slats. Again, such a minute part of the budget thats still keeping those 800,000 people out of work or at least out of a paycheck. Guys, thank you so much. Let me bring in shannon pettypiece, White House Reporter for bloomberg. My panel, Charlie Sikes and doug thornel. Senator shelby was on. I thought he looked some combination of just exhausted, frustrated. Let me play what he had to say when it comes to the shutdown. Its a question, when do we get off the blame game and get to serious negotiations . At the end of the day, all of this will end. We dont know when. In negotiations. Its not a question of who wins or loses. Nobodys going to win this kind of game. Nobody wins in a shutdown. We all lose. We kind of look silly. We kind of look silly but, charlie, i guess is the calculation here that the price they would pay for settling is higher than not settling . Yes, thats probably the calculation the president is making. This controversy is so dumb. The amount of money is barely a rounding error in the federal budget. Its becoming obvious that the wall is a boondoggle. Its a scam. Theres bait and switch involved. And whos going to pay for it and what it all is. It is fascinating to me didnt president , charlie, just essentially confirm what we heard from john kelly which is, you know what, all along, from the beginning of the administration, the people who have to guard the border said this concrete wall is not a great idea. Thats not what we need. We need some Border Security in terms of fencing of some sort but we need personnel. He is seeming to acknowledge in his tweet that a wall is a wall isnt a wall. Yes, but thats what hes talked about. At the rallies. Because that became the symbol. That became the met fa for. That was the what was for the bubbas he threw out there. Throws out these ideas of a compromise involving daca. That will last up until the moment that anne coulter begins to write about it. Does not want to antagonize, and there is no end game. His game of course is to blame the democrats even though he sat in the oval office and said hes happy to accept why. Hes not calling this, shannon, the schumer shutdown. The white house and its allies are also of course blaming nancy pelosi. Nancy pelosi needs to come back from hawaii. More money for funding our B

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