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Velshi, picking up coverage of the coronavirus pandemic. The numbers of new cases and deaths continue to rise nationwide. There are now more than 724,000 confirmed cases around the world in the United States, more than 38,000 have died here. And at his Coronavirus Press briefing earlier, the president spent most of his time at the podium airing grievances weve gotten used to hearing about the media, certain governors and the previous administration, but he didnt offer a lot of new information about his administrations response. The president did, however, defend his tweets about liberating certain states, even as response coordinator dr. Deborah birx continued to stress the importance of social distancing. What this graph illustrates is the amazing work of the American People to really adhere to social distancing. This was nothing we had ever attempted to do as a nation and the world hadnt attempted to do but they were able to decrease the number of cases so that in general most of the metro areas never had an issue of complete crisis care of all of their hospitals in a region. Im getting along very nicely with the governor of michigan, but she has things, dont buy paint, dont buy roses shes got all these crazy things. I really believe somebody sitting in the boat in the lake should be okay. They shouldnt arrest people. Some of them are being unreasonable, i really believe that. Joining me now, dr. Olympia roy, an internal physician and dr. Gupta, both of nbc news medical contributors. Thanks to both of you. Im a little concerned. The president s got deborah birx standing there describing successes of social distancing and workfromhome orders and the country but he continues to send tweets out liberating michigan and virginia. I dont understand how the two are supposed to square. Theyre clearly mixed messages and the public in certain states that really follow the president and what he says are listening to that. Look, from a medical standpoint this is deeply concerning. Because weve said before this is a virus, its a path general th pathogen that does not discriminate. It doesnt follow political advice, it doesnt respect borders, its going to attack anybody with any particular background. Weve already seen this, old, black, white, chinese, indian, it just doesnt matter. My concern is that in these particular states where they are listening to him and where they are valuing individual liberties over the public good, were going to see some truly adverse, harm. Consequences these same people are potentially going to get sick, theyre going to be presenting to the hospitals and where my medical colleagues and these states are going to feel the burden of taking care of them. And, yeah, people that work in hospitals, doctors, nurses, respiratory therapists, theyre not going to say youre a republican or liberal, i will not take care of you. They take care of everybody. This will be a direct burden on the hospitals in these particular states. Vin, obviously we want to get back to work. You medical professionals havent not been at work but the country would like to get back to work. There are some very serious concerns about having the right data in order to make the right decisions, right, whether thats the rye number of tests for people who might have coronavirus and the idea there are tests for people who had coronavirus or might have had it and might have developed antibodies. But youre saying that even thats not a sure thing. So if i took an Antibody Test and was determined to have had coronavirus, its not for sure that ive developed an immunity. Thats right, ali. Heres the concern here. Last night the w. H. O. Issued a statement where they essentially said Antibody Testing, we cant rely on it to determine if somebody actually has immunity to covid19. Thats a big thing. The only reason we really care to see if somebody has an antibody to a disease is to see if they are or are not at risk for reinfection. So if we cannot trust that an Antibody Test for covid19 means that or doesnt mean that, whats the point of doing it . Thats what the w. H. O. Is issuing guidance on. Maybe doing the swab test into the nose or into the mouth, but that is, as weve talked about several times, theres a lot of bottle necks to doing it, its resource intensive. Ant bo a ant body testing as a very limited utility. Thank you to both of you. Joining me now to talk more about tonights Coronavirus Task force briefing, as well as the comments the president made this week about what exactly he thinks his constitutional powers jeffrey rosen, the president and ceo of the National Constitution center and professor at the George Washington law school and charlie savage, washington correspondent for are the New York Times and an msnbc contributor. Hes the author of the books power wars, the relentless rise of president ial authority and secrecy. Both of you gentlemen have been dealing with this in administrations all along. Theres a constant battle between administrations and congress and the courts about what everybodys relative authority is. Charlie, you wrote an article earlier this week in which you said or it was titled why trumps threat to Adjourn Congress is dubious. That was one of the things that donald trump said out there, that he may use the power vested in him by the constitution to Adjourn Congress because he wants to get certain things done. What do you make of that . What trump is talking about is he wants to use a provision of the constitution that president has ever used, which allows under very limited circumstances the president to adjourn forcibly Adjourn Congress, if the house and senate cant agree on when they want to go home. And he wants to do this because he wants to make recess appointments, which allows him to install judges until the end of the next Congress Without going through the Senate Confirmation process he can only do that when the senate is out on a lengthy break. They havent done that since 2007. Its an empty threat. Its an empty threat because the senate and house are not in disagreement about when they are wanting to go home. Mitch mcconnell when he left on the lengthy break himself proposed lets go out on a series of threeday breaks and under senate rules the Minority Party can block any attempt to go on a longer break so it was never going to get to a house senate split. Its an extraordinary claim, a monarchical im going to dissolve parliament if they dont do what i want. And the unlikelihood that Mitch Mcconnell is going to want to gut his own power to block nominees when a democrat could be president in just a few months. Its also sort of a nonsense claim. Its the second time this week President Trump has made an extraordinary selfagrandizing claim that made everyones heads explode but it was empty as a matter of law and political reality. The other one there was a lot of back and forth about the president and president ial schoollars, andrew cuomo referred to the 10th amendment. It says the power is not delegated by the United States by the constitution nor prohibited by it to the states or reserved to the states respectively or to the people. Give me your evaluation on both of those things, the president saying he has absolute authority and his call to Adjourn Congress. Neither is grounded in constitutional law and history. It was remarkable that both andrew cuomo and rand paul invoked the 10th amendment and states rights to make clear that the president as andrew kwcuomo said is not a king. In federalist 69, there were four reasons why the president has less power than the british king and the governor of new york. One was the provision that charlie cited that he can only Adjourn Congress when both houses disagree, which they dont in this case, unlike the british king or queen, who as we saw recently with brexit has the authority to dissolve parliament whenever he or she wishes. And more generally, hamilton was channelling the consensus among all the framers that the branches had to be mixed, the president checked by congress and the judiciary and by the state. So its heartening in some ways to see people from Mitch Mcconnell and rand paul and andrew cuomo and folks on the other side rejecting the absolute authority. And the twice is the president s call of armed rebels to rise up against the States Government who want to have the coronavirus quarantine. This probably doesnt rise to the level of incitement under the constitution because the threat has to be intended to and likely to invoke imminent lawless action but it certainly doesnt have any precedent. That is a weird one. Liberate wisconsin, liberate virginia, liberate michigan. And he didnt walk that back in any meaningful way today. He sort of stood by it. When he was pushed on it, he kept on focusing on virginia, where he also had that parenthetical trying to get gun rights enthusiasts upset about the new laws that the now under control of the Democratic Party state or commonwealth have passed. These are things like you can only buy one handgun a month and heightened penalties if you leave a gun around a little kid and universal background checks, which he says adds up to democrats wanting to abolish the second amendment. Its a diversion into the culture war over gun rights. That doesnt have anything to do with whats going on in michigan and minnesota and the upper midwest. But he had seen a protest i believe on fox news about liberate minnesota before he started firing off those allcap tweets. This is a president throwing some bombs out there. No kidding. Thanks very much. Jeff rosen is the president and ceo of the National Constitution center, charlie savage, washington correspondent for the New York Times, both are experts in executive power and battle going on in those things. Tonight a lineup of stars including lady gaga, paul mccartney, lizzo. Its all to support the World Health Organization and the global fight to stop the president of covid19. Its been too hard living but im afraid to die i dont know whats up there giant sky its been a Long Time Coming but i know change going come oh, yes, it will all right. This is an 8 p. M. Eastern right here on msnbc. Unless you really dont like the World Health Organization, watch one world together. You can catch it on nbc, all of our platforms and on our online streaming network nbc news now. Coming up, u. S. Intelligence agency investigating whether the coronavirus actually originated in a research lab in wuhan, china. In only 8 weeks with mavyret. I was cured. I faced reminders of my hep c every day. I worried about my hep c. But in only 8 weeks with mavyret. I was cured. Mavyret is the only 8week cure for all types of hep c. Before starting mavyret your doctor will test. If youve had hepatitis b which may flare up and cause serious liver problems during and after treatment. Tell your doctor if youve had hepatitis b, a liver or kidney transplant,. Other liver problems, hiv1, or other medical conditions,. And all medicines you take. Dont take mavyret with atazanavir. Or rifampin, or if youve had certain liver problems. If youve had or have serious liver problems other than hep c, theres a rare chance they may worsen. Signs of serious liver problems may include yellowing of the skin, abdominal pain or swelling, confusion, and unexplained bleeding or bruising. Tell your doctor if you develop symptoms of liver disease. Common side effects include headache and tiredness. With hep c behind me, i feel free. Fearless. Because i am cured. Talk to your doctor about mavyret. And i like to question your im yoevery move. N law. Like this left turn. Its the next one. You always drive this slow . How did you make someone i love . That must be why youre always so late. I do not speed. And thats saving me cash with drivewise. [mayhem] you always drive like an old lady . [tina] youre an old lady. Who takes care of yourself. So when it comes to screening for colon cancer, dont wait. Because when caught early, its more treatable. Im cologuard. Im noninvasive and detect altered dna in your stool to find 92 of colon cancers even in early stages. Tell me more. Its for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. False positive and negative results may occur. Ask your prescriber if cologuard is right for you. Im on it. Thats a step in the right direction. I dont have to worry about that, do i . Are irritated. Harmful bacteria lurk just below the gum line. Crest gum detoxify, voted product of the year. It works below the gum line to neutralize harmful plaque bacteria and help reverse early gum damage. Gum detoxify, from crest. Its more than just fast. It keeps all your devices running smoothly. With builtin security that protects your kids. No matter what theyre up to. It protects your info. And gives you 24 7 peace of mind. That if its connected, its protected. Even that that petcamera thingy. [ whines ] can your internet do that . Xfinity xfi can because its. Simple, easy, awesome. [ barking ] trump said tonight the u. S. Is investigating chinas response to the coronavirus. This is, as u. S. Officials tell nbc news, the Intel Community is examining whether the virus emerged accidentally from a research lab in wuhan, meaning somebody got it who worked in that lab and that was patient zero. Now the Wuhan Institute of virology is breaking its silence saying theres no way the virus came from us. Joining me is ian bremer, president of euroasia group. Mira, lets just get to the bottom of this. Theres two pieces of this that can be true. One is there was this lab that was researching bats whereas we believe this infection came from and somebody accidentally infected themselves and that became patient zero and it was too late before china had a handle about of what went on and theres this other thing brewing in rightwing circles about china an infection that was going to be detrimental to the west and america. I know that you and ian are deliberate people who study these things. Can you make some sense of this for our viewers . Youve been right to break this down in two stages. The first is the question of the fact that there is indeed a lab in wuhan near the site of the market which is most likely the site of the origin of the virus and the possibility that is now being debated that perhaps the virus emerged organically or by accident from that lab. This has to be closely connected to a Conspiracy Theory that has been kicking around for some time, that is the idea that the virus was a statemade bioweapon that came from that lab. That is a theory that has been supported pi suppoby supporters president , rightwing circle, senator tom cotton, for example. There is simply no reason to believe that is the case. There is no empirical evidence to voiri ifyverify that. While in is a new iteration on that, i have not seen scientific to say that is true and the wet market still seems like the most likely source of origin. Mira said something interesting, theres no verifiable evidence. One of the issues with china, when weve got good releaation relationships with china, you often have to voiri iverify wha say. So, number one, do we believe what china says . And, number two, what does this portend for our relationship with china . President trump is a combination of somebody who is overly complementary about chinese leadership and at the same time started a trade war with them. Were really not comfortable with their data certainly. I thought it was appropriate when dr. Birx put out her data today, there was an asterisk next to the chinese numbers. Id also want one next to the iranian and russian numbers, too. There are a whole bunch of other countries, north korea. They finally admitted they have cases. Obviously theres no voracity there. Thats very different from saying the United States and china are about to be directly at hostilities with each other. Trumps administration has been quite hawkish and consistently so towards china, particularly on issues of technology on trade on national security, but trump himself has been much more cautious around that. He was calling it remember the china virus and he had a phone call with cxi jinping, and hes been careful to say xi jinping is my friend, hes a very strong leader, i have a lot of respect for him. Hes still saying that, even though hes now suspending funding for the World Health Organization and saying thats because theyre act being as patsies for the chinese, the responsibility would ultimately be on china. Hes not hitting the chinese directly at all. So unless hes willing to do that and doing that has potential economic implications for and for the american markets and the American Economy in the runup to these elections, then i wouldnt be all that worried. Lets see where it goes. Mira, you know, we have this global pandemic, which requires, in my observation, greater global coordination than weve actually seen. And now we have this global recession, which might be more serious than that, that certainly in the case of 2008 and 2009 used global coordination to get out it have. We need for better or worse greater cooperation with china right now to deal with both of these matters. The pres wou epresident would l were past peak with china, which evidence says thats no true. No question, ali. Despite the fact the United States and chinese are at the peak of what has been a very tense several years of poor bilat rahal relations, pretty much every expert believes they need to get past the worst of this to get to economic recovery. With the chinese economy only having grown as soon as then, it going to be all the more essential to have the United States and china marching from the same set of orders when it comes to the United States<\/a>, more than 38,000 have died here. And at his Coronavirus Press<\/a> briefing earlier, the president spent most of his time at the podium airing grievances weve gotten used to hearing about the media, certain governors and the previous administration, but he didnt offer a lot of new information about his administrations response. The president did, however, defend his tweets about liberating certain states, even as response coordinator dr. Deborah birx continued to stress the importance of social distancing. What this graph illustrates is the amazing work of the American People<\/a> to really adhere to social distancing. This was nothing we had ever attempted to do as a nation and the world hadnt attempted to do but they were able to decrease the number of cases so that in general most of the metro areas never had an issue of complete crisis care of all of their hospitals in a region. Im getting along very nicely with the governor of michigan, but she has things, dont buy paint, dont buy roses shes got all these crazy things. I really believe somebody sitting in the boat in the lake should be okay. They shouldnt arrest people. Some of them are being unreasonable, i really believe that. Joining me now, dr. Olympia roy, an internal physician and dr. Gupta, both of nbc news medical contributors. Thanks to both of you. Im a little concerned. The president s got deborah birx standing there describing successes of social distancing and workfromhome orders and the country but he continues to send tweets out liberating michigan and virginia. I dont understand how the two are supposed to square. Theyre clearly mixed messages and the public in certain states that really follow the president and what he says are listening to that. Look, from a medical standpoint this is deeply concerning. Because weve said before this is a virus, its a path general th pathogen that does not discriminate. It doesnt follow political advice, it doesnt respect borders, its going to attack anybody with any particular background. Weve already seen this, old, black, white, chinese, indian, it just doesnt matter. My concern is that in these particular states where they are listening to him and where they are valuing individual liberties over the public good, were going to see some truly adverse, harm. Consequences these same people are potentially going to get sick, theyre going to be presenting to the hospitals and where my medical colleagues and these states are going to feel the burden of taking care of them. And, yeah, people that work in hospitals, doctors, nurses, respiratory therapists, theyre not going to say youre a republican or liberal, i will not take care of you. They take care of everybody. This will be a direct burden on the hospitals in these particular states. Vin, obviously we want to get back to work. You medical professionals havent not been at work but the country would like to get back to work. There are some very serious concerns about having the right data in order to make the right decisions, right, whether thats the rye number of tests for people who might have coronavirus and the idea there are tests for people who had coronavirus or might have had it and might have developed antibodies. But youre saying that even thats not a sure thing. So if i took an Antibody Test<\/a> and was determined to have had coronavirus, its not for sure that ive developed an immunity. Thats right, ali. Heres the concern here. Last night the w. H. O. Issued a statement where they essentially said Antibody Test<\/a>ing, we cant rely on it to determine if somebody actually has immunity to covid19. Thats a big thing. The only reason we really care to see if somebody has an antibody to a disease is to see if they are or are not at risk for reinfection. So if we cannot trust that an Antibody Test<\/a> for covid19 means that or doesnt mean that, whats the point of doing it . Thats what the w. H. O. Is issuing guidance on. Maybe doing the swab test into the nose or into the mouth, but that is, as weve talked about several times, theres a lot of bottle necks to doing it, its resource intensive. Ant bo a ant body testing as a very limited utility. Thank you to both of you. Joining me now to talk more about tonights Coronavirus Task<\/a> force briefing, as well as the comments the president made this week about what exactly he thinks his constitutional powers jeffrey rosen, the president and ceo of the National Constitution<\/a> center and professor at the George Washington<\/a> law school and charlie savage, washington correspondent for are the New York Times<\/a> and an msnbc contributor. Hes the author of the books power wars, the relentless rise of president ial authority and secrecy. Both of you gentlemen have been dealing with this in administrations all along. Theres a constant battle between administrations and congress and the courts about what everybodys relative authority is. Charlie, you wrote an article earlier this week in which you said or it was titled why trumps threat to Adjourn Congress<\/a> is dubious. That was one of the things that donald trump said out there, that he may use the power vested in him by the constitution to Adjourn Congress<\/a> because he wants to get certain things done. What do you make of that . What trump is talking about is he wants to use a provision of the constitution that president has ever used, which allows under very limited circumstances the president to adjourn forcibly Adjourn Congress<\/a>, if the house and senate cant agree on when they want to go home. And he wants to do this because he wants to make recess appointments, which allows him to install judges until the end of the next Congress Without<\/a> going through the Senate Confirmation<\/a> process he can only do that when the senate is out on a lengthy break. They havent done that since 2007. Its an empty threat. Its an empty threat because the senate and house are not in disagreement about when they are wanting to go home. Mitch mcconnell when he left on the lengthy break himself proposed lets go out on a series of threeday breaks and under senate rules the Minority Party<\/a> can block any attempt to go on a longer break so it was never going to get to a house senate split. Its an extraordinary claim, a monarchical im going to dissolve parliament if they dont do what i want. And the unlikelihood that Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> is going to want to gut his own power to block nominees when a democrat could be president in just a few months. Its also sort of a nonsense claim. Its the second time this week President Trump<\/a> has made an extraordinary selfagrandizing claim that made everyones heads explode but it was empty as a matter of law and political reality. The other one there was a lot of back and forth about the president and president ial schoollars, andrew cuomo referred to the 10th amendment. It says the power is not delegated by the United States<\/a> by the constitution nor prohibited by it to the states or reserved to the states respectively or to the people. Give me your evaluation on both of those things, the president saying he has absolute authority and his call to Adjourn Congress<\/a>. Neither is grounded in constitutional law and history. It was remarkable that both andrew cuomo and rand paul invoked the 10th amendment and states rights to make clear that the president as andrew kwcuomo said is not a king. In federalist 69, there were four reasons why the president has less power than the british king and the governor of new york. One was the provision that charlie cited that he can only Adjourn Congress<\/a> when both houses disagree, which they dont in this case, unlike the british king or queen, who as we saw recently with brexit has the authority to dissolve parliament whenever he or she wishes. And more generally, hamilton was channelling the consensus among all the framers that the branches had to be mixed, the president checked by congress and the judiciary and by the state. So its heartening in some ways to see people from Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> and rand paul and andrew cuomo and folks on the other side rejecting the absolute authority. And the twice is the president s call of armed rebels to rise up against the States Government<\/a> who want to have the coronavirus quarantine. This probably doesnt rise to the level of incitement under the constitution because the threat has to be intended to and likely to invoke imminent lawless action but it certainly doesnt have any precedent. That is a weird one. Liberate wisconsin, liberate virginia, liberate michigan. And he didnt walk that back in any meaningful way today. He sort of stood by it. When he was pushed on it, he kept on focusing on virginia, where he also had that parenthetical trying to get gun rights enthusiasts upset about the new laws that the now under control of the Democratic Party<\/a> state or commonwealth have passed. These are things like you can only buy one handgun a month and heightened penalties if you leave a gun around a little kid and universal background checks, which he says adds up to democrats wanting to abolish the second amendment. Its a diversion into the culture war over gun rights. That doesnt have anything to do with whats going on in michigan and minnesota and the upper midwest. But he had seen a protest i believe on fox news about liberate minnesota before he started firing off those allcap tweets. This is a president throwing some bombs out there. No kidding. Thanks very much. Jeff rosen is the president and ceo of the National Constitution<\/a> center, charlie savage, washington correspondent for the New York Times<\/a>, both are experts in executive power and battle going on in those things. Tonight a lineup of stars including lady gaga, paul mccartney, lizzo. Its all to support the World Health Organization<\/a> and the global fight to stop the president of covid19. Its been too hard living but im afraid to die i dont know whats up there giant sky its been a Long Time Coming<\/a> but i know change going come oh, yes, it will all right. This is an 8 p. M. Eastern right here on msnbc. Unless you really dont like the World Health Organization<\/a>, watch one world together. You can catch it on nbc, all of our platforms and on our online streaming network nbc news now. Coming up, u. S. Intelligence agency investigating whether the coronavirus actually originated in a research lab in wuhan, china. In only 8 weeks with mavyret. I was cured. I faced reminders of my hep c every day. I worried about my hep c. But in only 8 weeks with mavyret. I was cured. Mavyret is the only 8week cure for all types of hep c. Before starting mavyret your doctor will test. If youve had hepatitis b which may flare up and cause serious liver problems during and after treatment. Tell your doctor if youve had hepatitis b, a liver or kidney transplant,. Other liver problems, hiv1, or other medical conditions,. And all medicines you take. Dont take mavyret with atazanavir. Or rifampin, or if youve had certain liver problems. If youve had or have serious liver problems other than hep c, theres a rare chance they may worsen. Signs of serious liver problems may include yellowing of the skin, abdominal pain or swelling, confusion, and unexplained bleeding or bruising. Tell your doctor if you develop symptoms of liver disease. Common side effects include headache and tiredness. With hep c behind me, i feel free. Fearless. Because i am cured. Talk to your doctor about mavyret. And i like to question your im yoevery move. N law. Like this left turn. Its the next one. You always drive this slow . How did you make someone i love . That must be why youre always so late. I do not speed. And thats saving me cash with drivewise. [mayhem] you always drive like an old lady . [tina] youre an old lady. Who takes care of yourself. So when it comes to screening for colon cancer, dont wait. Because when caught early, its more treatable. Im cologuard. Im noninvasive and detect altered dna in your stool to find 92 of colon cancers even in early stages. Tell me more. Its for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. False positive and negative results may occur. Ask your prescriber if cologuard is right for you. Im on it. Thats a step in the right direction. I dont have to worry about that, do i . Are irritated. Harmful bacteria lurk just below the gum line. Crest gum detoxify, voted product of the year. It works below the gum line to neutralize harmful plaque bacteria and help reverse early gum damage. Gum detoxify, from crest. Its more than just fast. It keeps all your devices running smoothly. With builtin security that protects your kids. No matter what theyre up to. It protects your info. And gives you 24 7 peace of mind. That if its connected, its protected. Even that that petcamera thingy. [ whines ] can your internet do that . Xfinity xfi can because its. Simple, easy, awesome. [ barking ] trump said tonight the u. S. Is investigating chinas response to the coronavirus. This is, as u. S. Officials tell nbc news, the Intel Community<\/a> is examining whether the virus emerged accidentally from a research lab in wuhan, meaning somebody got it who worked in that lab and that was patient zero. Now the Wuhan Institute<\/a> of virology is breaking its silence saying theres no way the virus came from us. Joining me is ian bremer, president of euroasia group. Mira, lets just get to the bottom of this. Theres two pieces of this that can be true. One is there was this lab that was researching bats whereas we believe this infection came from and somebody accidentally infected themselves and that became patient zero and it was too late before china had a handle about of what went on and theres this other thing brewing in rightwing circles about china an infection that was going to be detrimental to the west and america. I know that you and ian are deliberate people who study these things. Can you make some sense of this for our viewers . Youve been right to break this down in two stages. The first is the question of the fact that there is indeed a lab in wuhan near the site of the market which is most likely the site of the origin of the virus and the possibility that is now being debated that perhaps the virus emerged organically or by accident from that lab. This has to be closely connected to a Conspiracy Theory<\/a> that has been kicking around for some time, that is the idea that the virus was a statemade bioweapon that came from that lab. That is a theory that has been supported pi suppoby supporters president , rightwing circle, senator tom cotton, for example. There is simply no reason to believe that is the case. There is no empirical evidence to voiri ifyverify that. While in is a new iteration on that, i have not seen scientific to say that is true and the wet market still seems like the most likely source of origin. Mira said something interesting, theres no verifiable evidence. One of the issues with china, when weve got good releaation relationships with china, you often have to voiri iverify wha say. So, number one, do we believe what china says . And, number two, what does this portend for our relationship with china . President trump is a combination of somebody who is overly complementary about chinese leadership and at the same time started a trade war with them. Were really not comfortable with their data certainly. I thought it was appropriate when dr. Birx put out her data today, there was an asterisk next to the chinese numbers. Id also want one next to the iranian and russian numbers, too. There are a whole bunch of other countries, north korea. They finally admitted they have cases. Obviously theres no voracity there. Thats very different from saying the United States<\/a> and china are about to be directly at hostilities with each other. Trumps administration has been quite hawkish and consistently so towards china, particularly on issues of technology on trade on national security, but trump himself has been much more cautious around that. He was calling it remember the china virus and he had a phone call with cxi jinping, and hes been careful to say xi jinping is my friend, hes a very strong leader, i have a lot of respect for him. Hes still saying that, even though hes now suspending funding for the World Health Organization<\/a> and saying thats because theyre act being as patsies for the chinese, the responsibility would ultimately be on china. Hes not hitting the chinese directly at all. So unless hes willing to do that and doing that has potential economic implications for and for the american markets and the American Economy<\/a> in the runup to these elections, then i wouldnt be all that worried. Lets see where it goes. Mira, you know, we have this global pandemic, which requires, in my observation, greater global coordination than weve actually seen. And now we have this global recession, which might be more serious than that, that certainly in the case of 2008 and 2009 used global coordination to get out it have. We need for better or worse greater cooperation with china right now to deal with both of these matters. The pres wou epresident would l were past peak with china, which evidence says thats no true. No question, ali. Despite the fact the United States<\/a> and chinese are at the peak of what has been a very tense several years of poor bilat rahal relations, pretty much every expert believes they need to get past the worst of this to get to economic recovery. With the chinese economy only having grown as soon as then, it going to be all the more essential to have the United States<\/a> and china marching from the same set of orders when it comes to the Global Economic<\/a> recovery. So its critically important that the two sides put aside these mutual recriminations, at least for the sake of making progress on things like a global vaccine, as well as preparing for what is going to be an ongoing set of economic shock waves in a will be with us for many months to come. Ian, i dont know what youre doing at p. 8 p. M. Tonight, thers going to be this one world together concert, can you see it in the bottom right corner of our screen, which is raising money in support of the World Health Organization<\/a>. I assume donald trump is not watching that because hes not really in support of the World Health Organization<\/a> right now, but can you give me your sense of what this World Health Organization<\/a> spat is about . Sure. I mean, look, even though the chinese are way down the League Tables<\/a> in terms of funding of the World Health Organization<\/a>, the United States<\/a> is actually on top, its true that they havent been coordinating with taiwan, which has been one of the most effective and the reason theyre not allowed to be a member. Why . Because china is and thats a third rail for chinese. Also, the chinese have not been particularly transparent with the World Health Organization<\/a> in the early weeks of this outbreak, rear fusing full access to w. H. O. , saying there was no hume ohumantohuman transmission. They were representing it to the government as if they complete live bought it. In a pandemic, you knee the w. H. O. Their leadership might be politicized but its better than the alternative, which is no such organization. And even bill gates, who hates politics and does not want to be in a fight with any organization came out publicly and said this is big mistake, you dont want to suspend funding for these guys right now. And ditto, the u. S. Chamber of commerce came out with a state on friday saying we dont want a fight with these guys right now. This is trump wanting to plausibly blame others than his own administration for the fact that the americans have been late and have been less than completely effective. Heres the problem, ali, and you know this, even though the chinese covered this up for the first weeks and millions of chinese traveled from wuhan as a consequence, thats the original sin of this pandemic, we also know that every other country in the world then got this information at the same time. Every country in the world heard the w. H. O. Saying it was a pandemic. Every country said weve got hume owntohuman transmission and yet the south koreans, germans and so many countries have been more effect of than the worlds super power. As an american set scitizen, i that unacceptable. Some of that responsibility surely has to be on the administration. Ian bremmer and mira, thanks. Coming up next, President Trump<\/a> claims the country should be r economy. What do americans think about that . Our homes. Overnight they became our offices, schools and playgrounds. All those places out there, are now in here. Thats why were still offering fast, free two day shipping on thousands of items. Even the big stuff. And doing everything it takes to ensure your safety. So you can make your home everything you need it to be. Wayfair. Way more than furniture. Ibut that doesnt mean ayoure in this alone. Were automatically refunding our customers a portion of their personal auto premiums. 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More than 22 million americans filed for Unemployment Insurance<\/a> over the last four weeks, wiping out a decade of job gains after the Great Recession<\/a>. My next guest summed up the state of the economy in an oped this week for the Washington Post<\/a> writing in our market economy the consumer is king but right now as shakespeare observed uneasy lies the head that wears the crown. Joining me now is richard coredray, the first director of the Consumer Protection<\/a> bureau and author of watch dog. Your organization, richard, that you were the director of, the Consumer Financial<\/a> Protection Bureau<\/a> was born out of the things that went wrong in the last recession so you understand this very well. Something you wrote in the Washington Post<\/a> this week that i thought was one of the best descriptions of Economic Activity<\/a> in america that ive ever heard. You write, Economic Activity<\/a> is the sum of billions of discrete decisions influenced by available financing, uncertainty and differing expectations. Such activity is not able to snap back into place suddenly as much as we might hope it would. So in a state governor lifts a stayathome order or the president tells you april 12th or may 1st or may 15th is the day to get back to business, how i behave out there is up to me and what i think and what my family feels and how safe we feel. Its not something somebody can tell us. I think thats true. And, by the way, consumers in america are the base of the pyramid. Individuals and family generate about twothirds of the Economic Activity<\/a> that makes up gdp. Unless our households can maintain that spending, which cannot see a strong recovery. Over the last 11 years of the economic recovery that just ended, it was consumer spending, particularly in the last several years that was the back bone of the economy. And right now were facing a crisis for the individual, for the household who dont have income coming in and its going to make for a prolonged, more sluggish recovery. Before the recession actually, Consumer Confidence<\/a> was doing pretty well, but the idea that we recover depends not just on Consumer Confidence<\/a>. The idea that the future will be better. But theres a very practical aspect as to whether or not youre going to spend when we live the stayathome stuff and thats how much much you have. Whether its insurance or the bailout packages or get more money to small businesses, we ran out of money in 14 days on thursday, there are two parts to this. I might feel good about the fact that coronavirus is gone and i would like to get back to business as usual but i might not have the same Financial Resources<\/a> available to me. Thats exactly right, ali. Theres three reasons i laid out for why it is that the consumer will not be able to sustain this recovery to the extent we might hope they would. Number one, unemployment has spiked dramatically. As you noted, the claims are showing unemployment headed to 15 or even higher. And even by the end of next year, its difficult to get that number back down again once the economy is broken. And the Congressional Budget Office<\/a> is estimating it will still be at 9 at the end of next year, which is almost triple what it was in february. So thats going to constrain consumer spending. Second, for all the people who have been off work or have had their hours sharply reduced, its not going to be easy for them to get back to spending at the same levels. They have an overhang of debt, mortgage and rent payments they were behind on, auto loans they were behind on, credit card bills and theyre going to have to pay that off before they can start spending robustly again. Then thirdly, when people see the financial situation as fragile as theyre doing right now, it makes them more cautious about spending. This happened in the great depression, it happened after the last Great Recession<\/a> and during that Great Recession<\/a> and it will happen now again, let alone the effects of the health crisis, which are going to create distancing and peoples unwillingness to circulate, all of that makes for a painful, slow recovery and prospect, i believe. Richard, well continue to talk about this in the hopes that we can get back to whatever we thought normal was. Richard is the former director of the Consumer Financial<\/a> Protection Bureau<\/a>, the author of watch dog, how protector consumers can save our economy and our democracy. Ill be joined live by mayor de blasio who said President Trump<\/a> should provide Financial Relief<\/a> to the epicenter of the crisis if he want the nation to recover. Tion\u2122. 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Brown middle school, he and her colleagues made and distributed over 1 million means since School Closed<\/a> on march 23rd. She told the magazine, im still going to work because were feeding the kids. Its any kid that stayed in dallas and needed a meal. Were feeding our community and i love that. Yolanda, thanks for being with us. One of the Untold Stories<\/a> in america are the number of children who get their meals from school and for whom schools represents a good deal of stability in sometimes unsettled lives. So the shutting down of school is confusing for everybody, their kids, the families. The number is so big, i cant actually read it the number of school meals missed due to school closures. What youre doing is not just a service but these are kids who otherwise wouldnt have maybe wouldnt have been able to get that meal. Exactly. And its families that wouldnt be able to get it. Because when it started out, people had food and they were fine but we noticed the number started going up because the food started running out in the stores. So i feel like that why our numbers started running up with adults and kids. How did you organize this . Im just a worker who is on the front line just trying to do what we have to do to get the community fed. What do you feel when you go out there every day . We see images of you there, you are wearing masks. Are you worried about getting sick . Yes, you worry about that but in the scheme of things, its what god created me to do, to serve. You know, if i distance from it, thats a bad thing but at the same time its some kid that really need their food so i dont mind going out there to give the food out. I just make sure im covered or whatever is required. Tell me about the people who are coming there for the food. How are they doing . Does this provide some sense of normalcy in a world in which all of their normalcy has disappeared . Yeah, and the kids love it because, you know, theyre sick of the house so it gives them a chance to get out and see people. And the windows are up and were waving at them through the window. But you can tell that the family, you know, they are really happy that were out there giving those meals. We give them like seven days worth of food. So every thursday were giving them seven days so thats really an awesome thing for them. Some of those families might have needed that food before this started, but one thing were seeing in particular, particularly in texas, there are families who had never been to a place to get their food. They get their food from a Grocery Store<\/a> and theyve had to line up at food banks or places serving food and that is really a difficult thing for people who have never done that before. Are you meeting solve thome of people . Yes, i have met kids that when they came to school, they wouldnt eat the lunch and now theyre in the line to get the lunch. So i know its a real great need because normally they wouldnt eat it. And now theyre in the line to get it. And i just tell them, hey, dont worry, this will be over soon, dont worry about the food because well be out here next thursday so you dont have to worry about anything. Thats amazingthat. Thats all a kid wants to hear is an adult telling them it will be okay because its going to be okay. Thanks to are what you do, for what your colleagues do and keeping the kid fed. Youre a real hero. Shes a cafeteria manager at t. W. Brown school. Coming up, mayor bill de blasio joins me live. Youre watching msnbc. Of new nondrowsy claritin cool mint chewables. The only allergy product with relief of your worst symptoms, including itchy throat. Plus an immediate blast of cooling sensation. Feel the clarity and live claritin clear. 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Lets be clear, if President Trump<\/a> raises his voice, the Republican Senate<\/a> will follow period. Havent heard his voice yet. I want to give him an opportunity to do the right thing. So President Trump<\/a>, heres my appeal to you, help us back on our feet. Tell Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> that we need stimulus 3. 5 and we need aid directly to new york state, so we can keep people healthy, keep them safe. If you lead the senate will follow. If you are silent, they will not. It on you, mr. President the. New york city mayor bill de blasio pleading for help from the federal government. As the death toll in new york continues to rise, the budget estimates, 475,000 jobs could be lost over the next year saas a result of the pandemic. Na mayor de blasio, thank you for joining us. Youre talking about fundin funding 3. 5, new york city got 1. 4 billion in 3. 0. Youre looking for a total of 7 billion or additional 7 billion . Additional. I Just Announced<\/a> my budget. We guarantee, unfortunately, were going to lose over 7 billion in revenue that had been something we were banking on to pay for all the services this city provides, and obviously to help us restart our economy. Thats gone now. It is absolutely gone. And it could get even worse. Im simplyeven worse. So im simply asking for the federal government to replace the revenue we lost in this pandemic and this economic crisis and do the same for other cities or else we will have no choice but to cut back the most basic services, and thats going to stop us from ever seeing an economic recovery. Were the economic engineoffs the country, and we cant take care of our people they gave 58 billion to the Airline Industry<\/a> and im here in the epicenter of this epidemic and ive pleaded with the president directly, spoken with him and said, mr. President , i am losing revenue every day, i cant replace it. Only you can do that, speak up and the senate will follow, and hes been absolutely silent. His first huge mistake was not acknowledging this crisis, not getting testing for months and months. This is his last chance, ali. And hes going to have any chance of a recovery here, of getting a restart to this economy, any chance of being seen by history as someone who responded to this crisis he has to act now and save the cities of america and save the American Economy<\/a>, and hes been absolutely silent. He has not said a word mayor, do you think it has something to do with new york or you, or is it the same example across the country hes using, because hes not really been very forthcoming in terms of money. Theres a certain amount of money thats going to state governments. State governments and your local revenue fund city governments, is this a new york thing specifically, or do you think its a National Issue<\/a> . Its absolutely national. Just in the last couple of days, ali, i spoke to the mayor of miami florida, hes a republican. He has lost a huge amount of money in his budget. He doesnt have a way to replace it. I talked to a democrat, and he has no way to provide those basic services. Mayors from ohio put out a basic statement and said were going to have to layoff police and fire. Theyre already furloughing most of their Public Employees<\/a> because they have no other option. This is absolutely happening all over the country. And its not just red states, blue states, its everyone. Whats going to go with it is if cities cant function, how on earth do you have a National Recovery<\/a> . The number of people in Public Service<\/a> unemployed alone will be vast let alone the fact if theres no basic services how is an economy going to function . No, ali, i think its something much bigger, but it may be a republican philosophy standing in the way, but this president , you know how the senate works. If he said jump, Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> and the Republican Senate<\/a> would jump. He could give them all the cover in the world help make sure this country gets back on our feet, and he is i cant believe what im seeing. He literally is acting as if nothings going on. And its happening right now in washington. The negotiations are going on. I appealed to him personally. I said, mr. President , just say the word. And ali, i dont understand what im seeing before my eyes. He is acting like he has no responsibility and he cant move the congress. When he needed to give away a billion excuse me, a trillion and a halfdollars he wanted to give away a trillion and a half to the wealthy and corporations. He made the senate do it. He could do that now for American Cities<\/a>. Paint a picture for me of new york city with 1. 4 billion and a shortfall of 7 billion. What actually happens . Lets say were three months down the road or four months down road, weve lifted the work from home and in theory businesses somewhat back to normal. Obviously we would have a lot of a lot of businesses and there will be a lot of people unemployed, what happens to a city without a lot of business like new york city . So you cant provide basic services. What does that mean . It means all the things people depend on in their lives, police, fire, sanitation, education, go down the list of something that makes any city, any town function if youre missing 7 billion i assure you have to start to cut that stuff back in ways that can be very dangerous. Meanwhile, ali, there are more and more people in the city hungry who literally have no money for food and more and more people who have no health care. We have to put a huge amount into our health care sps. We have the biggest Hospital System<\/a> of any city in the country. Its costing us a huge amount to deal with this pandemic. If we dont have the money, what are we going to do . How are we going to save lives . So the notion of an economic recovery, a restart when in fact youre going to start to see cities fail, youre going to start to see cities on the road to bankruptcy. I mean think about that reality, ali, of a country literally starting to crumble because the federal government wouldnt act. Earlier in this crisis i compared President Trump<\/a> to herbert hoover. He was he was ignoring it, had no plan to address the coronavirus and he is reverting to that reality again. American cities are hanging in the balance and he literally has nothing to say about it. Its unbelievable. So in a few months let me ask you this. So the frustration on the part of regular people who are probably watching this is that they are craving, leadership. Something is going on bigger than any of us can handle so we look to our leaders to handle this. The president is developing acrimonious relationships with a number of governors across this country including Gretchen Whitmer<\/a> of michigan and Governor Cuomo<\/a> of new york. Youve had a famously acrimonious relationship with Governor Cuomo<\/a> in new york. Are you able to get beyond that so you and Governor Cuomo<\/a> are on the same side of this as it relates to the president . Absolutely. In this crisis people should put aside so many of these differences. And Governor Cuomo<\/a> and i have agreed on almost everything in this crisis, and weve been working together and our teams have been working together. But the fact, you know, the president of the United States<\/a> actually calls out governors names or mayors names and attacks us and talks about whether he likes people or not, what leader in the middle of the Worst Health Care<\/a> crisis in a century wants to talk about who was nice to him or not . This is ridiculous, ali, and i think its as simple as this. Hes got one more chance. If he wants to have any reputation, any sense in the eyes of history he did anything in this crisis, hes got to act right now before we lose this chance to restart the economy. Pif he fafails to protect americans and American Cities<\/a> and american states and the economy therefore cant restart the final judgment in history let alone the voters will be he blew it in the beginning and he blew it when he had a chance to fix it, and all he cared about was who was nice to him and who wasnt. Its pitiful, so this is his one chance to get it right. Let me ask you about a tweet you sent out because new york is one of those places where social distancing is more complicated than it is in lets say dallas or a place like that because were on the subway, were on the streets all the time. The population of the city in normal times increases by 50 during the day versus the people who sleepin this city. You had tweeted out if people arent enforcing social distancing they should snap a photo and text it to 311. Is that actually happening . Are people doing that, and what happens as a result of that . Ali, they are doing it. Ive got to tell you new yorkers have been absolutely amazing, truly amazing at oelgs distancing and shelter in place. And this is maybe the hardest place in the country to achieve those things, but theres been a lot of discipline except for a few people. And what im saying to my fellow new yorkers is blunty to save lives and protect people you have to report any distance of crowding or people not observing social distancing. So folks are sending out those photos and we send out the nypd. Nypd is monitoring those photos and they can get officers out to the site. All people have to do is send in a photo and location and we can get officers out there in 20 or 30 minutes in most cases and break up what is going on. And if people are not willing to follow instructions by our Police Officers<\/a> they will be fined. And those fines go up to 1,000 now because this is about saving lives and we mean business. Mayor, ive got under a minute left and ive been talking to some emts who have been critical about your ability to get them the things they need in order to operate safely. Weve seen record numbers of 911 calls that we havent seen actually since 9 11. Are the emt and the fdny and the police getting the protective gear they need . Absolutely, ali. They are the priority along with our health care workers. Wherever we can get it around the world in fact were making a lot of ppes in the city because we had no other choice. Of course theyre the priority, and weve got hundreds of ambulances and ambulance crews around the country to come in and give them some relief. We are protecting them. Theres no question. But the federal government is failing to help cities like new york help people get the ppes. We have to find them ourselves. Thats the reality. Mayor bill de blasio, thank you for joining me, sir. Of course the mayor of new york city. Continued good luck in your efforts. That does it for me tonight. You need to standby, though, because we have got a remarkable global concert about to come up. Youre going to see the likes of lizzo and others delivering a concert like you have never seen before. Watch it here on nbc and nbc news now. One world together starts right hola. Im jimmy fallon. Im gymal kimmel. And im steven jimmy cobear. Well be your hosts for tonights event one world together at home. Were currently on three Major Networks<\/a> at the same, nbc, msnbc and cbs. Plus all those facebook streaming products youve been promising to setup for your parents. And blue feed. 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