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Tonight on msnbc live, a callous process that had a dramatic effect on children. Also frustration from the pandemic is boiling over. Theyre not soccer moms or security moms, this year rage moms will take their anger out at the ballot box. Plus all the president s men keep getting indicted from bannon to manafort, it was a rough week for team trump, but the latest legal problem for the white house might be a ruling on the president s taxes. And this how this years dnc may have perfectly captured our strange home in american history. Hello again. Im alicia menendez. There is a constant drum beat of threats against our democracy. This week a bombshell, a bipartisan report by the Senate Intelligence committee confirming once again that russia did interfere in the 2016 election. Also this week, former trump adviser steve bannon arrested for fraud. He and others are accused of using funds for building the border wall for personal wall. Bannon pleaded not guilty, calling it a political hit job. This fiasco is a total political hit job. This is to stop and intimidate people who want to talk about the wall and who have president Donald Trumps back on building the wall. Bannon became the seventh associate of the president to face charges, raising questions on the president s judgment, something my colleague Geoff Bennett asked him about directly this week. Reporter respectfully sir, its roger stone, michael flynn, rick gates, michael cohen. Whats is say about your judgment and the culture of lawlessness there was great lawlessness in the obama administration. They spied on our campaign illegally and if you look at all of the things and all of the scandals they had, they had tremendous lawlessness but i know nothing about i was not involved in the project. I have no idea who was. And in efforts to right the ship, a vote today on capitol hill in a fight for the u. S. Postal service, the house passing a bill allotting an addition 25 billion in funding while halting any further changes before the election. With a final vote of 257150, including 26 republicans voting for it. The bill will now be pushed to the senate. This bill on the floor today is more of a partisan bill than it is a real attempt at solving the problem. The postmaster general is saying were not going do any of this until after the election. Our legislation is not just about the election. Its about surprise, surprise, mr. Postmaster general, the coronavirus, covid19, which has a big impact on the election as well as first and foremost on the health of the american people. Postmaster general louis dejoy will appear for an emergency hearing before the house on monday. So many threads of our National Moral fiber being pulled. Now exclusive reporting reveals new details of how the Trump Administration decided to separate thousands of Migrant Children and their parents. The family separation policy was agreed to by a show of hands vote in the white house in may of 2018, a show of hands vote. That meeting was led by trumps Senior Adviser stephen miller. According to two officials miller said if we dont enforce this, it is the end of our country as we know it. With me is jacob soboroff, one of the reporters who broke the story. Thank you for making time for us tell us who was in the room and tell us how this vote by hand came to be. Alicia, it was unbelievably shocking, even to me who covered this policy from beginning to end and saw what actually happened on the ground to the thousands of children who were systematically tortured in the words of physicians for human rights by the Trump Administration. Were talking about a. J. Sessions, kirstjen nielsen, Steven Miller, mike pompeo, alex azhar, john kelly, the white house chief of staff at the time, chris liddell, a deputy chief of staff, mark short, now chief of staff to the president of the United States. All of these people were invited to be at these meetings at a time when separations were happening and had been happening but not at the scale that Steven Miller had wanted to see them happen. He was pushing for an acrosstheboard massive separation. And kirstjen miller fwas the ony one pushing back. This will be a massive logistical failure if they move forward with the policy, not on moral grounds, that this was going to be government sanctioned child abuse, but on the grounds that they just werent ready to do so. And irrespective of that, after this vote, she went back to the Ronald Reagan building at her office, signed a decision memo and it was off to the races of child separation that we all know about and have seen the pictures to this day. It struck me that no one made the argument that this was inhumane, no one made a moral argument against that in large part because you were told by sources that there was the feeling that no one would listen to that argue, that it wouldnt be land. Yeah. And the reality is, i mean, i wrote a whole book about this. I did not know about this event at the time that i wrote the book. There were moral there was moral opposition to this policy amongst people on the line, inside i. C. E. , inside hhs. It did not trickle up to this room through their superiors, through the cabinet secretaries supposed to represent hhs, customs and border pro dectecti and department of home land security. And the idea of separating just based on the fact that they showed up here, not because they are criminals or referred for prosecution. He wanted to go much further than they ultimately ended up going. I want you to actually underline that for me. What was it that Steven Miller was aiming for . Steven miller in a time period of zero tolerance, around 2,800 children were taken away from their parents and sent to the department of health and human services. Some of them didnt see their parents for months, maybe five months. Many of them it took longer than that because their parents were deported back to their home country without their children. If it was up to Steven Miller and the plan that he wanted to move forward with, it would have been an additional just in the two months of zero tolerance, 25,000 children taken from their parents. If you extrapolate that through the end of 2018, were talking about 100,000 parents and children who would have been taken away from each other. One separation is too many. 2,800, 5,400, which is the ultimate number including before and after zero tolerance is far too many but its almost impossible to picture taking 100,000 children away from their parents would look like. That is what the chief architect of the immigration policy of the Trump Administration wanted to do and i cannot emphasize that enough. I want to play some sound from myles taylor, who spoke at the dnc in support of biden. Here he is on cnn responding to some of your reporting. We could have done more to pump the brakes. The secretary certainly tried to behind the scenes and finally we convinced the president to sign an executive order that summer ending the policy. As i said before, anderson, almost every single month that we were in the administration after that, the president said he wanted to reinstitute the policy and go further and revert back to that version they proposed in year one, that sickening version of lets just rip him apart to scare migrants from coming to the border. That was one of the reasons i ended up leaving this administration. Jacob, your reaction . Well, im glad that myles taylor is speaking out. I dont think it would come as a surprise to anybody who works at the department of home lawn security. Theyve seen my report and i dont buy the argument that the department of Homeland Security was just caught off guard by the way that the department of justice ultimately handled this policy. Kirstjen nielsen, miles taylor, chad wolf, who was the superior to miles taylor who is now the illegally acting secretary of Homeland Security, according to the gao, they all received a decision memo from kirstjen signed. Miles taylor could have stood up and refused to work with nielsen. None of them did that and we all know what the results of the policy was as this point. Jacob soboroff, thanks for your time tonight. If that story has you enraged, then you are not alone. While the 90s gave us soccer moms and security moms, this election cycle theres a new key voter, the rage mom. The New York Times writes the struggle for child care, education and economic stability is fueling a political uprising, built on the anger of women who find themselves constantly and indefinitely expected to be teacher, care giver, employee and parent. These rage moms are demanding action in facebook groups and virtual town halls and joining the front lines of protests against Police Brutality like we saw with portlands wall of moms. How do democrats channel this rage into votes in with me is lita garcia and Britney Cooper is a professor of studies and author of elegant rage, a best times seller. This story about separation had a lot of moms paying attention two years ago, a lot of moms very angry about what this country was doing to migrant families. Are they still as fired up as they were two years ago and are they going to show up in november to voice their displeasure at this administrations policies . Well, i believe that the answer to that is yes. I have increasingly decided my own political identity this cycle is of a mother of rage. I think its because of what were all experiencing. If i think about even my own mother today, she is spending her day because her mother, 92 years old, broke her him and is in a hospital room and her children and grandchildren are not there and my mother is calling the hospital every hour trying to advocate for her from afar. I think the concept of family separation is what were all experiencing right now. I want my 1yearold twins to visit their grandparents in cleveland. Its not just whats happening to those of us on the inside of the United States. As jacob just mentioned, family separation continues. There are children being trapped at the border and expelled from the United States in pure violation of asylum policy in the United States and deporting them without their parents back to central america. And so i am angry, i am angry for my mother, i am angry for the mothers at the border and i literally cannot wait for my ballot to show up in the mail. I will be taking it to my Registrars Office the first hour humanly possible. Britney, alida has twins. Her rage is multiplied by the fact that she has two of them. We talk about all of this care giving that women are doing both for their children or an elderly or ailing family member, none of that is new. This pandemic is just bringing it all to light. Yeah, look, lets make sure we have a proper genealogy in this moment about how mothering has influenced, you know, what were calling rage mothering. So when Michael Brown was killed in ferguson and eric garner in new york in 2014, we saw the mothers of those men very prominent li prominently featured in the activism around them and they have become the mother of the movement. You see mothers like Sandra Blands mother beingother ran for congress in georgia and won. Trayvon martins mother didnt win her race but she did run and so did Michael Browns mother. So black mothers were on the front lines in the last election cycle of saying what is happening to our children is not acceptable. Now white mothers in portland are catching up one of the things i hope the wall of moms will do is deal with some of the racial strife that has shown because rage mom, soccer moms, there is a whiteness to that that is a problem. I any we need to be taking our cues here, family separation is still occurring, the way the Trump Administration has come after latinex families, the way that the right has demonized brown mothers and called them mothers of anchor babies for decades at this point has led to a moment where we can have this kind of terrible discourse. Im thinking that theres plenty of rage to go around and i welcome white mothers to the fight but they certainly arent the people who have pioneered this kind of political thinking about how you politicize maternity in this country. The other thing about politicizing maternity is the black womans maternity crisis where we have black women dying in childhood. Lets not forget the women of color who are doing that work. Absolutely. Alida, there are all of these larger systemic issues that you have touched on and britney has touched on and then there is what is happening every day day to day in american households, right . There is all of the care taking that you just outlined. How much of that becomes a motivating force and how do you balance that against the reality that womens time is simply now limited, more limited, even more limited than it was before this pandemic when it comes to trying to harness the energy of those women to get out there and vote . Well, i recognize the privilege of being on television talking about how exhausted i am raising my children and working, but when i text any mother that i know right now, we are fed up. We are beat up by this environment and when we turn on the television and see this man who is supposed to be a president leading us through a disaster and only cares about himself, it is enraging and its like i am so desperate for someone to just have a little bit of empathy for what is going on, disproportionately in black, brown and indigenous communities across america. It is so overwhelming. This sounds trivial but i think about my 1montholds and i just want to go to the park and have them go down a slide and im like are they going to be like 3 by the time theyre able to do this . I know that seems really small but i think stuff like that is really hitting mothers across america and its up to all of us to then connect the dots for what is real structural change around child care, around elder care, around the farm workers bent over in ash in california in 110 degree weather right now to feed us in this pandemic. How are we passing laws to pull us out of this so this isnt just an emotional reaction to a president were disappointed in but so that we have the structural changes to support all mothers across the United States and aboard. Britney when does rage deflad deflate and does it motivate . I want to affirm all my parent friends who are struggling and affirm they are tired and thats a structural problem, that its not a personal failing, right . In feminist theory, we have a concept we call the second shift where mothers do all of their work at there job and then they come home and have to coudo all this additional housework and care taking we dont even have a name of the shift that women are on at this point but were with you in the fight and this is why we have to advocate. One of the things happening is my friends aring is to e ing ii having to decide do they put their women in day care . Women are making that choice because they just need a break but then you worry about your kid being exposed. Its something that wouldnt have hdfamily values cared even remotely what bit about what was going on in families today. So that needs to change and that rage is going to power us i think all the way to november. Im glad for everybody who is figuring out that we dont need to let it deflate us, we dont need to let it make us lie down in the bed, though take naps when you need them but we do need to you think about this as a force that powers the world were trying to build. Alida, thank you so much for joining us, britney, we will see you back here a little later in the hour. Up next, new developments in the president s fight to keep his tax returns secret. Why prosecutors in new york may get their hand on them sooner than expected. Plus americans want to vote and they want to do it safely, but there are already stories of mailin ballots being rejected. What you can do to make sure your vote counts. And from zoom call crowds to roll calls, this years dnc was a sign of the times. How it may have changed the future of conventions. Entions. Sure. Okay. Okay safe drivers save 40 guys guys check it out. Safe drivers save 40 safe drivers save 40 safe drivers save 40 thats safe drivers save 40 . It is, thats safe drivers save 40 . Hes right there. Its him hes here. Hes right here. Hi hi. Hey thats totally him. Its him thats totally the guy. Safe drivers do save 40 . Click or call for a quote today. [ aevery box has a mission safe drivers do save 40 . To protect everything inside from everything outside. When whats inside matters, count on boxes. [ doorbell rings ] paper and packaging. How life unfolds. Try wayf r. You got this perfect. Youre welcome. I love it. Howd you do all this . Told ya wayfair. Lets talk dining tables. Yes blow it up. Wayfair youve got just what i need try new natures bounty stress comfort. Three unique gummies for your unique needs. Find peace. Boost mood. Sleep well. Stress comfort comes naturally, only from natures bounty donald trump hasnt grown into the job because he cant. And the consequences of that failure are severe. This administration has shown it will tear our democracy down, if thats what it takes for them to win. For close to four years now he has shown no interest in putting in the work, no interest in finding common ground, no interest in using the awesome power of his office to help anyone but himself and his friends. President obama and other democrats sounding the alarm this week at the convention. Donald trump is governing with his own selfinterests in mind. Two more examples popped up just this week after losing an appeal in court, trump continues to try to block his tax returns from being released to the manhattan district attorneys office. His former chief strategist steve bannon and three others are facing charges for stealing money from Trump Supporters who thought they were helping build the border wall. Heres how bannon responded. This fiasco was to intimidate anyone who wants to talk about american sovereignty and the wall. Were never going to stop talking about that and fighting for it. Lets bring in melissa murray, nyu professor of law and form are law clerk to Senate Intelligence<\/a> committee confirming once again that russia did interfere in the 2016 election. Also this week, former trump adviser steve bannon arrested for fraud. He and others are accused of using funds for building the border wall for personal wall. Bannon pleaded not guilty, calling it a political hit job. This fiasco is a total political hit job. This is to stop and intimidate people who want to talk about the wall and who have president Donald Trumps<\/a> back on building the wall. Bannon became the seventh associate of the president to face charges, raising questions on the president s judgment, something my colleague Geoff Bennett<\/a> asked him about directly this week. Reporter respectfully sir, its roger stone, michael flynn, rick gates, michael cohen. Whats is say about your judgment and the culture of lawlessness there was great lawlessness in the obama administration. They spied on our campaign illegally and if you look at all of the things and all of the scandals they had, they had tremendous lawlessness but i know nothing about i was not involved in the project. I have no idea who was. And in efforts to right the ship, a vote today on capitol hill in a fight for the u. S. Postal service, the house passing a bill allotting an addition 25 billion in funding while halting any further changes before the election. With a final vote of 257150, including 26 republicans voting for it. The bill will now be pushed to the senate. This bill on the floor today is more of a partisan bill than it is a real attempt at solving the problem. The postmaster general is saying were not going do any of this until after the election. Our legislation is not just about the election. Its about surprise, surprise, mr. Postmaster general, the coronavirus, covid19, which has a big impact on the election as well as first and foremost on the health of the american people. Postmaster general louis dejoy will appear for an emergency hearing before the house on monday. So many threads of our National Moral<\/a> fiber being pulled. Now exclusive reporting reveals new details of how the Trump Administration<\/a> decided to separate thousands of Migrant Children<\/a> and their parents. The family separation policy was agreed to by a show of hands vote in the white house in may of 2018, a show of hands vote. That meeting was led by trumps Senior Adviser<\/a> stephen miller. According to two officials miller said if we dont enforce this, it is the end of our country as we know it. With me is jacob soboroff, one of the reporters who broke the story. Thank you for making time for us tell us who was in the room and tell us how this vote by hand came to be. Alicia, it was unbelievably shocking, even to me who covered this policy from beginning to end and saw what actually happened on the ground to the thousands of children who were systematically tortured in the words of physicians for human rights by the Trump Administration<\/a>. Were talking about a. J. Sessions, kirstjen nielsen, Steven Miller<\/a>, mike pompeo, alex azhar, john kelly, the white house chief of staff at the time, chris liddell, a deputy chief of staff, mark short, now chief of staff to the president of the United States<\/a>. All of these people were invited to be at these meetings at a time when separations were happening and had been happening but not at the scale that Steven Miller<\/a> had wanted to see them happen. He was pushing for an acrosstheboard massive separation. And kirstjen miller fwas the ony one pushing back. This will be a massive logistical failure if they move forward with the policy, not on moral grounds, that this was going to be government sanctioned child abuse, but on the grounds that they just werent ready to do so. And irrespective of that, after this vote, she went back to the Ronald Reagan<\/a> building at her office, signed a decision memo and it was off to the races of child separation that we all know about and have seen the pictures to this day. It struck me that no one made the argument that this was inhumane, no one made a moral argument against that in large part because you were told by sources that there was the feeling that no one would listen to that argue, that it wouldnt be land. Yeah. And the reality is, i mean, i wrote a whole book about this. I did not know about this event at the time that i wrote the book. There were moral there was moral opposition to this policy amongst people on the line, inside i. C. E. , inside hhs. It did not trickle up to this room through their superiors, through the cabinet secretaries supposed to represent hhs, customs and border pro dectecti and department of home land security. And the idea of separating just based on the fact that they showed up here, not because they are criminals or referred for prosecution. He wanted to go much further than they ultimately ended up going. I want you to actually underline that for me. What was it that Steven Miller<\/a> was aiming for . Steven miller in a time period of zero tolerance, around 2,800 children were taken away from their parents and sent to the department of health and human services. Some of them didnt see their parents for months, maybe five months. Many of them it took longer than that because their parents were deported back to their home country without their children. If it was up to Steven Miller<\/a> and the plan that he wanted to move forward with, it would have been an additional just in the two months of zero tolerance, 25,000 children taken from their parents. If you extrapolate that through the end of 2018, were talking about 100,000 parents and children who would have been taken away from each other. One separation is too many. 2,800, 5,400, which is the ultimate number including before and after zero tolerance is far too many but its almost impossible to picture taking 100,000 children away from their parents would look like. That is what the chief architect of the immigration policy of the Trump Administration<\/a> wanted to do and i cannot emphasize that enough. I want to play some sound from myles taylor, who spoke at the dnc in support of biden. Here he is on cnn responding to some of your reporting. We could have done more to pump the brakes. The secretary certainly tried to behind the scenes and finally we convinced the president to sign an executive order that summer ending the policy. As i said before, anderson, almost every single month that we were in the administration after that, the president said he wanted to reinstitute the policy and go further and revert back to that version they proposed in year one, that sickening version of lets just rip him apart to scare migrants from coming to the border. That was one of the reasons i ended up leaving this administration. Jacob, your reaction . Well, im glad that myles taylor is speaking out. I dont think it would come as a surprise to anybody who works at the department of home lawn security. Theyve seen my report and i dont buy the argument that the department of Homeland Security<\/a> was just caught off guard by the way that the department of justice ultimately handled this policy. Kirstjen nielsen, miles taylor, chad wolf, who was the superior to miles taylor who is now the illegally acting secretary of Homeland Security<\/a>, according to the gao, they all received a decision memo from kirstjen signed. Miles taylor could have stood up and refused to work with nielsen. None of them did that and we all know what the results of the policy was as this point. Jacob soboroff, thanks for your time tonight. If that story has you enraged, then you are not alone. While the 90s gave us soccer moms and security moms, this election cycle theres a new key voter, the rage mom. The New York Times<\/a> writes the struggle for child care, education and economic stability is fueling a political uprising, built on the anger of women who find themselves constantly and indefinitely expected to be teacher, care giver, employee and parent. These rage moms are demanding action in facebook groups and virtual town halls and joining the front lines of protests against Police Brutality<\/a> like we saw with portlands wall of moms. How do democrats channel this rage into votes in with me is lita garcia and Britney Cooper<\/a> is a professor of studies and author of elegant rage, a best times seller. This story about separation had a lot of moms paying attention two years ago, a lot of moms very angry about what this country was doing to migrant families. Are they still as fired up as they were two years ago and are they going to show up in november to voice their displeasure at this administrations policies . Well, i believe that the answer to that is yes. I have increasingly decided my own political identity this cycle is of a mother of rage. I think its because of what were all experiencing. If i think about even my own mother today, she is spending her day because her mother, 92 years old, broke her him and is in a hospital room and her children and grandchildren are not there and my mother is calling the hospital every hour trying to advocate for her from afar. I think the concept of family separation is what were all experiencing right now. I want my 1yearold twins to visit their grandparents in cleveland. Its not just whats happening to those of us on the inside of the United States<\/a>. As jacob just mentioned, family separation continues. There are children being trapped at the border and expelled from the United States<\/a> in pure violation of asylum policy in the United States<\/a> and deporting them without their parents back to central america. And so i am angry, i am angry for my mother, i am angry for the mothers at the border and i literally cannot wait for my ballot to show up in the mail. I will be taking it to my Registrars Office<\/a> the first hour humanly possible. Britney, alida has twins. Her rage is multiplied by the fact that she has two of them. We talk about all of this care giving that women are doing both for their children or an elderly or ailing family member, none of that is new. This pandemic is just bringing it all to light. Yeah, look, lets make sure we have a proper genealogy in this moment about how mothering has influenced, you know, what were calling rage mothering. So when Michael Brown<\/a> was killed in ferguson and eric garner in new york in 2014, we saw the mothers of those men very prominent li prominently featured in the activism around them and they have become the mother of the movement. You see mothers like Sandra Blands<\/a> mother beingother ran for congress in georgia and won. Trayvon martins mother didnt win her race but she did run and so did Michael Brown<\/a>s mother. So black mothers were on the front lines in the last election cycle of saying what is happening to our children is not acceptable. Now white mothers in portland are catching up one of the things i hope the wall of moms will do is deal with some of the racial strife that has shown because rage mom, soccer moms, there is a whiteness to that that is a problem. I any we need to be taking our cues here, family separation is still occurring, the way the Trump Administration<\/a> has come after latinex families, the way that the right has demonized brown mothers and called them mothers of anchor babies for decades at this point has led to a moment where we can have this kind of terrible discourse. Im thinking that theres plenty of rage to go around and i welcome white mothers to the fight but they certainly arent the people who have pioneered this kind of political thinking about how you politicize maternity in this country. The other thing about politicizing maternity is the black womans maternity crisis where we have black women dying in childhood. Lets not forget the women of color who are doing that work. Absolutely. Alida, there are all of these larger systemic issues that you have touched on and britney has touched on and then there is what is happening every day day to day in american households, right . There is all of the care taking that you just outlined. How much of that becomes a motivating force and how do you balance that against the reality that womens time is simply now limited, more limited, even more limited than it was before this pandemic when it comes to trying to harness the energy of those women to get out there and vote . Well, i recognize the privilege of being on television talking about how exhausted i am raising my children and working, but when i text any mother that i know right now, we are fed up. We are beat up by this environment and when we turn on the television and see this man who is supposed to be a president leading us through a disaster and only cares about himself, it is enraging and its like i am so desperate for someone to just have a little bit of empathy for what is going on, disproportionately in black, brown and indigenous communities across america. It is so overwhelming. This sounds trivial but i think about my 1montholds and i just want to go to the park and have them go down a slide and im like are they going to be like 3 by the time theyre able to do this . I know that seems really small but i think stuff like that is really hitting mothers across america and its up to all of us to then connect the dots for what is real structural change around child care, around elder care, around the farm workers bent over in ash in california in 110 degree weather right now to feed us in this pandemic. How are we passing laws to pull us out of this so this isnt just an emotional reaction to a president were disappointed in but so that we have the structural changes to support all mothers across the United States<\/a> and aboard. Britney when does rage deflad deflate and does it motivate . I want to affirm all my parent friends who are struggling and affirm they are tired and thats a structural problem, that its not a personal failing, right . In feminist theory, we have a concept we call the second shift where mothers do all of their work at there job and then they come home and have to coudo all this additional housework and care taking we dont even have a name of the shift that women are on at this point but were with you in the fight and this is why we have to advocate. One of the things happening is my friends aring is to e ing ii having to decide do they put their women in day care . Women are making that choice because they just need a break but then you worry about your kid being exposed. Its something that wouldnt have hdfamily values cared even remotely what bit about what was going on in families today. So that needs to change and that rage is going to power us i think all the way to november. Im glad for everybody who is figuring out that we dont need to let it deflate us, we dont need to let it make us lie down in the bed, though take naps when you need them but we do need to you think about this as a force that powers the world were trying to build. Alida, thank you so much for joining us, britney, we will see you back here a little later in the hour. Up next, new developments in the president s fight to keep his tax returns secret. Why prosecutors in new york may get their hand on them sooner than expected. Plus americans want to vote and they want to do it safely, but there are already stories of mailin ballots being rejected. What you can do to make sure your vote counts. And from zoom call crowds to roll calls, this years dnc was a sign of the times. How it may have changed the future of conventions. Entions. Sure. Okay. Okay safe drivers save 40 guys guys check it out. Safe drivers save 40 safe drivers save 40 safe drivers save 40 thats safe drivers save 40 . It is, thats safe drivers save 40 . Hes right there. Its him hes here. Hes right here. Hi hi. Hey thats totally him. Its him thats totally the guy. Safe drivers do save 40 . Click or call for a quote today. [ aevery box has a mission safe drivers do save 40 . To protect everything inside from everything outside. When whats inside matters, count on boxes. [ doorbell rings ] paper and packaging. How life unfolds. Try wayf r. You got this perfect. Youre welcome. I love it. Howd you do all this . Told ya wayfair. Lets talk dining tables. Yes blow it up. Wayfair youve got just what i need try new natures bounty stress comfort. Three unique gummies for your unique needs. Find peace. Boost mood. Sleep well. Stress comfort comes naturally, only from natures bounty donald trump hasnt grown into the job because he cant. And the consequences of that failure are severe. This administration has shown it will tear our democracy down, if thats what it takes for them to win. For close to four years now he has shown no interest in putting in the work, no interest in finding common ground, no interest in using the awesome power of his office to help anyone but himself and his friends. President obama and other democrats sounding the alarm this week at the convention. Donald trump is governing with his own selfinterests in mind. Two more examples popped up just this week after losing an appeal in court, trump continues to try to block his tax returns from being released to the manhattan district attorneys office. His former chief strategist steve bannon and three others are facing charges for stealing money from Trump Supporters<\/a> who thought they were helping build the border wall. Heres how bannon responded. This fiasco was to intimidate anyone who wants to talk about american sovereignty and the wall. Were never going to stop talking about that and fighting for it. Lets bring in melissa murray, nyu professor of law and form are law clerk to Supreme Court<\/a> Justice Sonia<\/a> soetmayor. What kind of defense will they have to try to mound . It will have to be a stunning defense because they apparently have quite a lot of evidence against bannon and these trump associates. Its a very clear cut case of not only wire fraud and Money Laundering<\/a> but also a conspiracy to could be seal all those efforts once it was clear an investigation was afoot. Its a pretty damning indictment. Its going tock real be really think about what kind of defense might come around with this. This is maybe an impetus for steve bannon to cooperate with the Southern District<\/a> of new york and perhaps say more about what he knows about the administration and about anything that has gone on, not only with this particular scheme but with any others. Well, to that point, heres daniel goldman, former assistant u. S. Attorney and an impeachment attorney. Heres what he had to say on msnbc. The one thing i will say about this indictment is it seems to be pretty open and shut. They have text messages, they have emails, they clearly have a lot of bank records and they charge Money Laundering<\/a> in addition to wire fraud, which has an enhanced sentencing. So these defendants are potentially facing many, many years in jail if they do not cut a deal. Pull back the curtain for us. What are the conversations that bannon is likely now having with his own attorney about whether or not he wants to cut a deal . Well, so one of the questions will certainly be what is the possible liability and criminal exposure. It seems like given the sentencing guidelines, which are advisory, but using the sentencing guidelines, it seems like this is something for which he might be serving anywhere from seven to nine years in a federal prison. The question is whether or not he wants to cooperate with the Southern District<\/a> of new york. The Southern District<\/a> is unlike other federal districts in terms of their requirements for cooperation. In other districts, you can be a cooperating witness and testify or provide information as to other crimes with which you and your coconspirators have engaged in but in the Southern District<\/a> of new york, you have to come clean about that you know about whether theyre in the scope of your indictment or not. Its much more far reaching and has the potential to open him up to much more information. So this is perhaps something he will consider but it also comes with a lot of risk. If hes not completely forthcoming, the cooperation wont go forward. I want to make sure i get your take on the other big legal story of this week, which is trump going all out to block the release of his tax returns. Legally what is your sense of what is at stake here . Its a lot for the Trump Administration<\/a>. Theyve already been turned down at the district court. They came back and tried to make the claim that the subpoena was too broad and should be quashed. The district said no. They went to the court of appeals, the court of appeals denied an emergency stay but set oral arguments for september 1st. The problem is that the subpoena is supposed to be enforced on august 28th so theres a gap there. The Trump Administration<\/a> is left with hoping the manhattan d. A. Will wait a few days until the Appeals Court<\/a> has time to do oral argument or they can appeal for an emergency stay of the district attorneys decision. Theyve indicated they would like to go to the spoupreme cou but its unclear whether that will happen or whether the Supreme Court<\/a> will take that up. Thank you for joining us tonight. Still to come, maki making hy at the dnc. Well look at how this reflected our unique american moment. Plus this. Ive been doing this for a long time so let me just be plain, black people, especially black women are the back bone of this party and if we dont show up, democrats dont get elected. From the roll call to the testimonials, we heard the voices of americans, why their voices may be more important now than ever. Thats why i like liberty mutual. They get that no two people are alike and customize your Car Insurance<\/a> so you only pay for what you need. Almost done. What do you think . I dont see it. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. 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Some of the most compelling testimonials came not from people who have been elected but instead from people who argued that their lives will be impacted in very direct ways by the outcome of this election. Like so many of you, i have experienced the ways our Health Care System<\/a> is fundamentally broken. Enormous costs, denied claims, dehumanizing treatment when we are most in need. We all have a profound obligation to act, not only to vote but to make sure that our friends, family and neighbors vote as well. We must elected joe biden. I work at a meat packing plant making sure Grocery Store<\/a> shelves stay full. They call us essential workers burr we get treated like were expendable. Were human beings, not robots, not expendablema. We want to keep help you feed your families but we need a president who will have our backs. The pandemic has left many of us feeling locked down and isolated, the roll call gave us a virtual trip around the country while highlighting the strength of americas diversity. From coast to coast the roll call served as a reminder of our unity throughout our times. We met real people who risked their lives to come to this company only to see their homes torn hopes torn apart by the Trump Administration<\/a>s policipolicie policipolicie policipolicies. They explained how they worked hard and paid taxes, however they live in fear about being separated and anxious about Getting Health Care<\/a> for jessica who has spina bifida because she doesnt have the right i. Dvld. Get insurance. We heard from 11yearold estelle la, who was only 9 when her mother was deported to mexico. Instead of protecting us, you tore our world apart. My mom is a good person. Shes not a criminal. Now my mom is gone and shes been taken from us for no reason at all. 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By choosing a woman to run for our nations second highest office, you send a powerful signal to all americans. There are no doors we cannot unlock. We will place no limits on achievement. If we can do this, we can do anything. [ cheers and applause ] Geraldine Ferraro<\/a> in 1984 calling her historic Vice President<\/a> ial nomination a powerful signal sent to all americans. In more than three decades later, history was made again. On wednesday, Kamala Harris<\/a> was introduced as a sister, a stepmother and an auntie in a prerecorded video in the First Virtual<\/a> dnc. Highlighting harris storied career before she officially accepted the Vice President<\/a> ial nomination. A senator, a former prosecutor, an hbcu graduate, a black woman, a daughter of immigrants from jamaica and india who just rewrote history. I keep thinking about that 25yearold indian woman, all of 5 feet tall, who gave birth to me at Kaiser Hospital<\/a> in oakland, california. On that day she probably could have never imagined that i would be standing before you now and speaking these words. I accept your nomination for Vice President<\/a> of the United States<\/a> of america. So how will this moment be remembered . Back with me again is brittany cooper. Also with me alexis coe, the author of the book you never forget your first, a biography of george washington. Brittany, we were talking about the proverbial second shift earlier so you are back for your second shift. It was important for me to talk to you about this because if we were in normal times, whatever that means, the historic nature of Kamala Harris<\/a> putting her name as nomination as Vice President<\/a> , it would have been the story. Instead it became a story. So i wonder from your Vantage Point<\/a> as a professor of womens studies, as a professor of africana studies, how is this going down in history . Its incredibly important. Were in a moment where people wonder if representation matters. Were nearly 250 years into the existence of this country and weve never seen fit to have a woman in either the first or the second position in terms of leadership tells us something about how deeply patriarchy runs in this country. So black women have been the backbone of the Democratic Party<\/a> for a very long time. This was a victory that was owed to black women at large, to the black woman electorate that is at this point the soul of any kind of liberal and progressive politic that we have in this country. Kamala had to begin it by telling her birth story and talking about where she was born. She had to do that because antiimmigrant sentiment is so high because of the Trump Administration<\/a> that she had to swat down any birthers that are trying to negate the historic nature of this nomination. So im proud theres a black woman in this position. We are an alum of the same university, howard university. And im proud because kamala has been she is a woman of great applicator. Shes incredibly intelligent, shes super passionate, and i think that she will serve this country well. Alexis, just as the 1996 convention included one too many playings of the macarena, there is so much about this convention that is going to feel like a time capsule, right . We will show it to our children and say this was the convention that happened at the end of the trump of trumps first term in office. This is the convention that happened in the middle of a pandemic. For you as a historian, as you watch this, how do you think history will remember this convention . Its an exciting moment in the history of conventions. They have always been influenced by technology. The First Convention<\/a> in the 18th century wasnt really well attended because horse and buggies and unpaved roads and farflung colonists, now new americans, you cant get in the same place at the same time. Trains improved things, cars even more, but fdr took advantage of the moment in which he actually flew to the convention. He was the first nominee to accept. He did so and he took advantage by saying, look, everyone, i understand that youre suffering, that hoover has not acknowledged the Great Depression<\/a> as a serious problem. It took him months to do so. And i think that we should be the party that abandons foolish traditions. And i think that we will see that here, where trump is gathering in a way in his party that no american is right now. Very few americans are attending weddings or funerals. And yet we see the democrats exclusively online and we see trump still trying to make a big convention. I think americans will note that the same way they will see pictures of trump and pence at hospitals and in rooms and theyre the only ones who arent Wearing Masks<\/a> and those rooms often only have white men in them. Brittany, when you roll it back, this is also a snapshot of each party at this moment in time. I thought part of what we saw from the Democratic National<\/a> convention was a party that was in a midst of generational change, that there is a shift happening within that party. You saw glimmers of it. Certainly not as much as other people would have liked, i understand that. I also know next week well see a snapshot of this republican party, a party that very much belongs to donald trump. What will we look back in history and take from those two snapshots . Look, you know, change doesnt come as quickly in america as those of us on the Progressive Left<\/a> would have it to come. But i thought that the democrats really captured the power of the medium. They understood that every night they were going to basically have a twohour commercial that they could edit together and they show kacased the most diversity, all kinds of age groups, all kinds of perspectives all over the world. I learned a little bit more about the american map and the places that were located around the world. But they pitched a big tent and said they were the party that was going to be a place where people who cared about the future of the country could actually come together to try to make a difference, that people who didnt want to go back to the worst parts of the american past could actually find coalition. What were going to see when we look at the rnc next week is this fear mongering that the Trump Administration<\/a> is the Trump Administration<\/a>s bread and butter. Theyre going to try to stoke the fears of their base, appeal to the worst instincts, try to deny that were in a mode of crisis in this country, that were dealing with a pandemic, and theyre going to try to put forth donald trump as the man that can solve all of these problems, when what four years has taught us is that he is the man who has created and exacerbated many of the worst problems in terms of poverty, the economy, national security, all of those things. All right, brittany and alexis, thank you both. That is all the time i have tonight. Im alicia menendez. I will see you back here tomorrow at 6 00 p. M. Eastern. My colleague, joshua johnson, takes over at the top of the hour. Hell talk to joe kennedy about todays vote to pump up the post office and his race for the senate in massachusetts. E senate in massachusetts. For skin as alive as you are. 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