Population. Were inside of the 20 yard line and we need a white house that could make a decision and stick to it. The main Sticking Point for democrats is daca. They want protections for d. R. E. A. M. Ers, included in the spending bill. Today during a press briefing, white house budget director Mick Mulvaney said the blame will fall on democrats if the government shuts down. I want to let everybody know that we dont want this. We do not want a shutdown. But mr. Schumer insists on it, he is in a position to force this on the American People. Democrats say because republicans control the house, the senate and the white house, a Government Shutdown is going to fall on their shoulders. President trump has delayed his weekend trip to maralago because of the looming shutdown and as we edge closer to this happening on the last day of President Trumps first year in office a wall street journal poll reveals 57 of people disapprove of how the president is doing his job. 51 say they strongly disapprove and that is a record for the president. For more on everything playing out in washington. I want to bring in kasie hunt, and capitol Hill Reporter casey d. C. And the latest from the white house. Casey, for the moment, while they need the president s action, the attention is in congress right lets remind our viewers, the house has passed the continuing resolution and the senate has not and they need 60 votes. At the moment they dont have 50 republican votes let alone 60. Reporter that is right. So this is a pretty complicated math problem and at this hour there is no deal between the white house and Democrat Chuck schumer. He made the trek down pennsylvania avenue at the president s invitation. The two men talked with their chiefs of staff, it is a very small meeting by washington standards so a very close hold on what happened in that room. But i just spoke to senator schumer on his way back from the meeting, back here to the capitol and he said we still have disagreements. We are not there yet. So on the other happened he did not entirely say these conversations were over. He didnt shut it down necessarily. The conversations so to speak. But right now there is no indication that we are not on the same track we were before. Now schumer is currently huddling behind closed doors with dirk durbin, his number two and nancy pelosi, the democratic leader in the house of representatives, presumably to figure out what they are going to do. The big question, are democrats looking for and do they have a potential offramp to let them diffuse this and avoid a Government Shutdown. At this point, again, not sure that is so likely. There are still some People Holding out hope. Senator Lindsey Graham from South Carolina is one of them. He talked to nbc today. Take a look. All i can say is i have confidence in the president. To me it is a little inappropriate to say you dont want the president to talk with a minority leader in the senate. That somehow suggests that you dont believe the president s capable of cop ducti conducti meeting. I do. He beat me and 16 other republicans and he beat hillary clinton. I think hes a good dealmaker. He needs to be more certain in what he wants. But the tuesday trump could deliver a lot of Good Solutions for the country, i hope we could get back to that tuesday donald trump. Reporter so the question is who is the president listening to. Is he listening to people like Lindsey Graham or tom cotton who told our cameras that Lindsey Graham couldnt win an election in iowa and the president could. So suggesting that he couldnt get out of the kiddy debate stage so tough words. Cotton is say hardline immigration hawk and been somebody in the president s ear on this. So ali, at this hour, 3 00, i feel like ive been saying the same thing since 6 00 a. M. And we are continuing to say it as these hours wear on. Reminder, the government shuts down at midnight. Eight hours and 55 minutes. Lindsey graham had tough words about tom cotton, saying hes becoming the steve king of the senator with his outside of the mainstream views on immigration. Did cotton respond to that allegation in particular . Reporter i should have been more clear. The comments of cotton that i just relayed about not being able to win iowa, the kiddy debate stage, all of that, was in response to what Lindsey Graham had said. That is what he was asked about. And yeah, that is pretty tough words. Steve king has made, as you know, very inflammatory and derogatory comments about immigrants and that is quite an accusation. Tom cotton has taken a hardline stance on immigration but not somebody who has used the same type of language not as regularly as steve king seems to. Jeff, let me ask you, our viewers would be excused for not understanding with whom the solution to this impasse lies right now. Because the president said im around to sign something that they give me, Lindsey Graham is saying, this lies with the president , the president the white house had a press briefing this morning in which Mick Mulvaney blamed democrats. With whom does a solution lie in the next nine hours . At the moment, it would appear the solution lies with the president. You make a good point. As the odds for the shutdown continue to grow, you see both sides trying to push on to the other the blame and interestingly, at this point, as casey makes clear. There is no deal. We appear to have a deal among both sides to continue talking. And what we heard this morning from Mick Mulvaney and we know democrats want daca but we dont know specifics and we cant ask the senate to vote on a summary and you hear from democrats and republicans on the hill saying we dont know what the president would sign. My colleague Kristen Welker put this question to Kellyanne Conway, and here is what Kellyanne Conway had to say. How does the president see his role in trying to avert a Government Shutdown. The president could not be more clear he wants the government to stay open. He wants a two year deal. We dont need a five day or two hour deal, we need to keep the government going and this is a spending bill. And so the president has put forth any number of ideas, his the republicans and some democrats in the house passed a bill last night and were waiting for the senate to act but the constitution demands that it is a 60 vote margin that would pass it and so by definition it needs to be bipartisan in nature, bipartisan and bicamera so were waiting for the democrats to tell us beyond daca, which is the only thing they want to talk about these days, what is it that brother bothers them. So at this point the president is staying put at the white house until some solution both sides arrive at a solution. He planned to leave for maralargo tonight. Were told that he might leave tomorrow if there is a deal but staying put at white house until lawmakers on the hill arrive at some solution. Jeff bennett and kasie hunt. Thank you. Were eight hours and 51 minutes away from the deadline. During which the government shuts down. You could see more of the interview with Kellyanne Conway tonight on nightly news with lester holt. Mark short said it is unclear what democrats are asking for to avoid a shutdown. I think again within of our challenges, i dont think it is clear what the democrats are asking for. I accept that you are saying they want a solution to daca but there is not bill text that they are asking republicans to bring up. So i think they believe for political reasons it is better to force a shutdown. The president is continuing to reach out and he will continue to do so throughout the day. Let me bring in independent senator Bernie Sanders of vermont. Senator sanders, good to see you, thank you for joining us. My pleasure. You heard mark short say that let me just let me just jump right in and pick up on two comments. What mr. Short said is not true. There is legislation, d. R. E. A. M. Ers legislation written by dick durbin and Lindsey Graham and has at least i think six or seven republican cosponsors here in the senate with the support i believe by everybody in the Democratic Caucus. It is ready to go. The language is there. So the issue here and both of them sort of said it, mark short said we know that they want daca and Kellyanne Conway said we need to know what democrats wouldnt beyond daca because that is all they want to talk about so there is a sense were not giving you daca at the moment so it will us what else you want to make a deal. But what she is saying is not true. The only thing she did say that is accurate is they need 60 votes. A and the key point is Mitch Mcconnell now has got to understand for a variety of reasons, he does not have 60 votes. Democrats and many republicans are increasingly tired of kicking the can down the road. Trying to run a 4 trillion government on a month by month basis. You may have seen a tweet from the pentagon who said how disastrous it is for the military to try to be planning into the future on a month to month basis. They want a 2018 annual budget and so do i and so do the American People. And mcconnell has to sit down and work with democrats and come up with an agreement that works for everybody. So senator, the one there are not a lot of responsibilities assigned to congress in the United States congress but one of them is to appropriate funds. So you have a budget and then you have to have appropriations bills, now were dealing with all of the continuing resolutions. Americans would be pardoned for saying, congress, you dont have a whole lot of responsibilities, this is a key one. I agree. And i think what you are seeing is not just democrats or the pentagon acknowledging that we need a annual budget, we are three and a half months into the fiscal year. And we still dont have a budget. And republicans are saying the same thing. So when mr. Short said he doesnt know what the Democratic Caucus wants, let me tell it, weve said it time and time again, we want parody for defense spending and the nondefense budgets, the working class and middle class of this country face many problems, an opioid heroin epidemic and fund adequately, and the v. A. And Fund Social Security administration and parody. Weve done it and let do it now. Lets deal with daca. A poll came out yesterday, cbs poll, 87 of the American People support legal status for the d. R. E. A. M. Ers. Lets pass that and do disaster relief. That is it. Do it, we have a 2018 annual budget. Senator, is there any way that you and people like you could sign on to this continuing resolution without implicit daca legislation . It is not it is not even just daca. It is the needs of we have 30,000 vacancies in the Veterans Administration that have to be filled and we have Community Health centers not funded and 27 Million People will worry about where they get health care. Daca is not the only issue. The bottom line is the Republican Leadership has to do its job. You just said it a moment ago, we dont have many Constitutional Responsibilities but to run the damn government is one of the responsibilities. That is a key one. We do have and republicans have to start doing that. And a budget chief mcmug e mulvaney was a was involved in the last Government Shutdown and he said what you had to say then. Bernie sanders, one of my favorite, what they are saying this is of me back in 2013 and the group that was trying to figure out a way to divorce a debate on obamacare and they said maybe weve lost the president ial election or seats in the senate and the house, this is sanders talking in 2013. It doesnt matter we could bring the government to a shutdown and throw 800,000 hard working americans out on the street and well get our way no matter what. This is what the accused republicans doing in 2013. There is no reason to have to insert a daca discussion and immigration discussion into the funding bill today. Senator, your response. That doesnt sound like i dont recall saying anything like that. Nobody wants a shutdown. Democrats dont want a shutdown. I think most republicans dont want a shutdown. The only person who has talked positively about a shutdown is the president of the United States. He said, maybe the country needs a good shutdown. That was donald trump. I dont want a shutdown. I dont know anybody who does. Bottom line once again, Mitch Mcconnell has got to understand and Kellyanne Conway made this point, they need 60 votes. They dont have 60 votes. That means you have to sit down and you have to negotiate. Lets do it. They dont even have 50 votes at the moment. Senator, good to see you. Bernie sanders of vermont. Lets talk about the real world impact of the shutdown because it is now less than nine hours away and nobody seems to think that there is any likely solution to this. So ill look at how this shutdown is likely to affect you. If i could get this going. All right. Hang on. This takes a second. The irs, it is staying open, tax processing is still going to happen. But it is going to happen at a slower rate. Meaning if you are one of the people who got your taxes in early and you want your tax return your turn done to get your refund, that will take longer. If you are applying for a mortgage, banks need to verify your tax return with the irs. That is going to be a problem for home buyers trying to get a mortgage. If you are a retiree, your Social Security checks will still go out but the processing of Social Security works, the employees are going to be furloughed or working they will not be coming to work which means if you are recently retired, you wont be able to begin your benefits until this shutdown ends. For business owners, from the store down the street to farms across the country, the Small Business administration is two is going to stop guaranteeing loans and farm subsidy will stop. And workers will oversee Clinical Trials and care for animals. That rodent cares for animals because they do testing with animals. They are unable to bring in new human patients to study things like new flu strains, it is already a deadly flu season. The Supplemental Nutrition Program for women and infants and children could be affected if the shutdown lasts more than a week. The fda would not be able to update mislabelled medication and they cant perform food inspections. That is a serious matter. And the stock market, it is running pretty actively. Today it is having a mixed day. But the president keeps pointing to it. A shutdown would close the commerce and Labor Department. Those departments send out Economic Data that investors and economists use to tell you where things are. They could be left in the dark and that could have an affect on the president s favorite metric. I do want to remind everybody, in 2013 the cost of that Government Shutdown was thought to be about 23 or 24 billion. So there is a real impact. But i want to talk more about the potential impact of this shutdown that is under nine hours away. I want to bring in seth harris. A former acting u. S. Labor secretary under president obama. And before we get to the details, this business about government data, we so depend on understanding Employment Statistics and employment numbers. Economists and investors need that information. Right now were looking at a dow almost break even. It has gone up for a long time in fairness. But that is an important matter to the economy. No question about it. The data that are put out by my friends and colleagues at the bureau of labor statistics and Census Bureau and other agencies in the federal government is critical to understanding how our economy is operating, what direction, what trends are occurring in the economy. It is important and one of many important functions in the federal government that will be disrupted if the government shut dounz. Talk about the process we are in right now. And there is no reason why my viewers shut try to understand this. As senator sanders and i were talking about, there is very little in the u. S. Constitution that said what congress is supposed to do, but one of the things it said is that they have to appropriate funds for the operation of the country. That is a basic necessity of congress and this is not the First Time Congress has failed to do that. No, that is right, im having a flash back because ive lived through three shutdowns, two in the 1990s, one in 2013, and preparations for more. So weve seen this movie before and let me just say, it ends very badly and it is pretty ugly in the middle as well. What is happening right now, at agencies across the government, is if they are planning properly, they are beginning to notify their employees about what is going to happen, tomorrow and sunday even monday and if the shutdown occurs. They are basically going to have to send the large majority of employees home, 85 almost 85 of employees at the