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MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Ali Velshi August 22, 2019

Changes. Conservative radio host and former Illinois Republican congressman joe walsh says he is, quote, considering a primary bid against the absolutely unfit donald trump. Walsh told politico hes confident he could secure the resources and support to mount a challenge against the president. Were going to talk about all of this. But with me now from San Francisco is nbc road warrior ali vitali. Ali, talk to me about what the buzz is around jay inslee having left the competition. He was never somebody who could muster a lot of support in terms of percentage of the vote. But he had an outsized influence when it came to making the discussion of Climate Change central to the campaign. Reporter well, certainly he was someone who was able to bring Climate Change to the fore. I think on the campaign trail i was always struck by the number of people who he drew to his events. I am thinking specifically in places like New Hampshire voters are really energized by the Climate Change issue. And jay inslee being the guy who was the climate candidate did help to bolster his democratic brand whether or not they were going to vote for him, that didnt really pan out for him. But in terms of the way that he was also able to swing other candidates, he really did force the issue so that so many other candidates had to put out plans on Climate Change, had to prove that they would be climate crusaders. And even if you look at how he pressured the dnc on a singleissue debate about Climate Change, obviously the dnc says theyre not going to do that. But other candidates really did jump on board up and down the democratic primary saying that they also wanted a race like that. And so all of that was because of jay inslee. You saw in that Rachel Maddow interview that he thought the issue was going to be taken care of by the other 2020 contenders. So thats why hes able to shift his focus to running for another term in 2020 in washington state. The gathering of democrats this weekend and the fact that joe bidens not going to be there. Reporter joe bidens not going to be there, and neither is pete buttigieg. Neither is beto orourke because, you know, these things are not mandatory, but theyre suggested. Its good to be able to come and make your pitch alongside in this case 13 other democratic contenders and try to show people how you stack up. But at the same time joe biden has been to other dnc events, his advisers are going to be here. A campaign aid says hes campaigning in New Hampshire and thats the way that they are looking to run their campaign. But if you look at what a weekend like this is really for from a dnc perspective, is theyre laying the groundwork so that once there is a standard barrier for the Democratic Party next year, they can hit the ground running in terms of having a general Election Strategy across the map thats outside of what that specific Campaign Already has. You know that the rnc is already doing this for trump, that trump himself, i know you mentioned that he might have another primary contender against him, but right now hes sort of sailing there unscathed. And so the rnc is getting to put together its ground game already knowing that they are mostly doing it around trump. He has coopted the party in that sense. But the democrats here are really focused on how do they lay the best groundwork for the eventual nominee so that they can hit the ground running once that person is selected. Ali vitali for us on the road in San Francisco. After the president waffled back and forth on his decision pertaining to gun control, they will be releasing gun control proposals in the coming weeks. Though aides declined to reveal specific details, politico reports that the white house did not give a timetable for the proposals which will likely include other legislation and executive actions addressing domestic terrorism, violent video games, and Mental Health treatment. But suggested the package would be time to congress return in early september. Aides did say the president would offer ways to close loopholes in the background check system, a system he praised just yesterday for being very, very strong. We have very, very strong background checks right now. But we have sort of missing areas and areas that dont complete the whole circle. And we are looking at different things, and i have to tell you that it is a mental problem, and ive said it a hundred times its not the gun that pulls the trigger, its the person that pulls the trigger. These are sick people. As the president says we have very strong background checks. Well, its worth noting background checks are not required for anyone buying a gun through an unlicensed dealer which can be anyone selling a gun online at gun shows or through private sales. Joining me now is nbcs White House Correspondent jeff. What are they talking about here . What could the white house possibly be doing . The president talked about some background checks. Then he spoke to Wayne Lapierre of the nra and suddenly there was no talk around background checks. Reporter let me break this down for you because the president has baffled lawmakers, those of us in the press. Hes been staking out policy positions all over the map. On one hand suggesting that hes all for strength and background checks. And the next day hes really articulating what are very specific nra talking points. He mentioned that tougher gun laws are a slippery slope in his view toward confiscation. I should use the trumpiansized caveat that only the president can speak for himself because weve seen how time and time again he undercuts his staff and reverses his own position. But the view from the white house, ali, is that the president is still on board with what he initially called this is after those twin tragedies in texas and ohio, what he initially called meaningful background checks. So the white house is playing a bit of a semantic game. What he means is he supports background checks that would screen for people who are mentally ill, people who are disturbed, people who are getting treatment that those folks should not be able to procure firearms. Its not clear what that would look like in terms of black and white in terms of policy. Its not clear if democrats on capitol hill would go for a more narrow policy proposal as it relates to gun control. But one of the reasons that is really one of the reasons why the president is having a hard time settling on a message is because he tends to view all of this through a political lens, even though National Polling shows that there is broad support across the board for tougher background checks and some stricter gun restrictions. The president doesnt see it that way. He views it as that anything that might win him, say female voters in the suburbs that might cost him with his conservative base. So thats one of the reasons why you see him in realtime shifting all over the place. The one thing that i have learned both from my conversations with folks here at the white house and folks here on the hill is that the consensus seems to be that if they dont get something done by september, if they dont put something on the floor, if it doesnt happen in september, its not going to happen at all before the 2020 election because republicans in particular dont want to expend too much Political Capital on this. And President Trump himself would much rather pivot back to issues like immigration and some of those culture war issues he thinks hes stronger on as we head towards the 2020 election. I dont know if its a strong or not strong position. Its just remarkably inconsistent. Geoff bennett for us at the white house. Gun safety reform is the bias for joe bidens new campaign ad. My next guest says the ad separates him from the rest of the field of contenders. Washington post opinion writer Jennifer Rubin shows first he shows frankly how easy it. Second the last few seconds are perhaps the most important. Joe biden has beat the nra twice and will do it again. The point here is that talk is cheap, and there is no evidence that any of bidens opponents who are offering quite similar proposals will be able to fulfill their promises on guns. With me now is Jennifer Rubin and msnbc political contributor. Talk to me about why you think because i think there are a lot of viewers who are not sure about the differences between Democratic Candidates and their positions on guns. Why you think joe bidens is more effective. I think you have to look at this not so much as the substance because, frankly, most of them have the same proposals in terms of expanding the background checks, banning assault weapons, those sorts of things. I think its his ability to message it that is a little bit different. This is a meat and potatoes campaign. Theres not a lot of fancy moves here. What he is saying first of all is look how disjointed, incoherent erratic the president is. And in your previous segment you just showed that even worse that on a daytoday basis he will say anything to get whoever is asking the question to leave him alone, but ultimately the bottom line is he does nothing. And then the second part of that is he really is trying to play the experience card. I think the sense is that right now we have a chaos president as jeb bush correctly predicted. We are every day at sea as to what the policy is, whats going on, much of nothing is getting done. And i think biden is offering some calm, some maturity, some experience. And there is a statement of the electorate who wants the noise and the craziness to stop. And he is aiming directly at those. So the message is simple. Trump is all over the map. Hes bonkers and unreliable. Steady joe, ive done it before, i can do it again. And thats basically the message. Im always puzzled by this one because our opinion polls indicate the vast majority of people would support basically fairly common sense things about guns. Some people dont like to call it gun control. I have zero problem calling it gun control because it is what it is. We would control some access to guns for some people. Its easy to push back on the slippery slope argument the nra makes. Why not depart from the president as republicans on his inconsistent positions on guns . The president swaps around his positions, waffles like nobody ive ever seen on guns. The but republicans could come up with something formidable to say we are fundamentally standing behind Second Amendment rights and fixing some of the problem that weve got going on. There are two reasons. First of all is the money reason. The nra, not only are they intimidated by ads or polling support by those people who are singleissue voters that the nra can mobilize. And the second reason is fear. They are trapped between wanting to appeal to a broader audience, suburban women, for example, which would be delighted to get some real gun control and their hardcore base. For many of these people, certainly congressman and gerrymander districts but also some senators in red states, its just too big a gamble for them. They might pick up some suburban women, but they cant afford to depress enthusiasm in those deep, deep red areas. So they are making a political calculation. I think what theyre seeing what were beginning to see is that political calculation has to change. We saw how suburban women turned out in droves. We saw 40 seats in the suburbs flip. So i think the more people who feel passionately about this issue, many of them moms, moms demand action. The harder it is going to be for those republicans to do nothing. Many of them stilland certainly in the house they arent going to do anything. But you may see a little bit of softness around the edges. And ultimately this is a campaign issue. Ultimately this is a popular issue. If democrats can run on it fully and with passion, perhaps they will knock some of those senators out. Lets talk about jay inslee leaving the race. A lot of people liked him. A lot of people liked the fact that he made Climate Change easy to explain. Im not going to be the standard bearer so im out. How refreshing, going out like a class act. He really did have some substantive things to say. I sort of wonder whether he had too much emphasis on simply the climate issue. He had a really impressive run as governor. He has improved on jobs, on health care, on education, running as the complete package of a progressive governor. Maybe there would have been a different result. But its not. He is not a flash in the pan kind of guy. He is not a super sound byte kind of guy. Unfortunately our political system tends to punish those sorts of people. I think he would be on the short list for multiple cabinet positions if a democrat does get elected. Whaxlt a world if we werent in a super sound byte kind of world where we just discussed everything in as great depth as wed like to. Jennifer rubin, opinion writer at the Washington Post. Up next, the economy created that of a million fewer jobs. The largest downward job revision since 2009 when we had the last recession. Were going to tell you which six sectors were hardest hit and how the revision might affect you after the break. Plus, Telephone Companies are teaming up with state attorneys general to fight those annoying robo calls we all get. Well tell you about it on the other side. You are watching msnbc. Even though i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib not caused by a heart valve problem. So if theres a better treatment than warfarin. I want that too. Eliquis. Eliquis is proven to reduce stroke risk better than warfarin. 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The revision is preliminary as the bureau of labor statistics aligns its estimates of the number of jobs created with more definitive data from the state Unemployment Insurance tax records which nearly all employers are required to file. So we take it from a sample set into ultimate real data. The final update which will include the rest of this year is going to be released in february of 2020. Now some of the largest adjustments were from consumeroriented businesses. Retailers created 146,000 fewer thousand jobs than first reported. Hotels, restaurants, and Entertainment Companies created 175,000 fewer jobs. The professional and business services, manufacturing, construction, mining, logging industries, they all created fewer jobs. However, transportation and Warehousing Companies created nearly 79,000 more jobs than first reported thanks to a boom in online shopping. Same thing that hurts retail workers. The information and Financial Industries along with Government Agencies also created more jobs than initially reported. So, how does the government get the number of jobs created which it usually reveals on the first friday of every month . Thats jobs day we like to call it. Around the middle of the previous month, the bureau of labor statistics is part of the department of labor surveys about 142,000 industries covering 689,000 individual work sites. They get detailed information about employment, hours worked and wages. So this is an estimate that will be revised as the bureau gets new, harder data. Joining us now to take a closer look at this is cnbc editoratlarge john harwodd. Half a million jobs lower than we thought. We dont talk about this a lot because the revisions tend to be much smaller year to year. The last time the revision was this large was, you know, right after a recession or it was actually reflecting a time that was still in recession in the United States. What do you make of this . Well, as you just indicated, the reports of jobs created is based on a survey of businesses. And survey have certain assumptions built into them. And when youre in the middle of a positive cycle economically, the assumptions you build into that survey are going to be more favorable and produce a better result. And if you find out retrospectively that actually you are in a not so favorable situation, then those assumptions are disproven and you adjust your data. Its kind of like you take an exit poll in an election and then you

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