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friend. Covered by medicare and most major insurers its wednesday, october 23rd. The picture coming out is based is based on the reporting weve seen. I would say is not a good one. Although, we wouldnt jump to quote any hard and fast conclusions. Thats what the Senate Majority with republican senator john thun conceded to reporters today about the explosive testimony from the top diplomat in ukraine, bill taylor. At this hour, house investigators were supposed to be in a closed deposition with a career pentagon official, laura cooper. But because of a combative move from some house republicans, coopers testimony is delayed. Heres what has happened at congress. Five hours ago, gop congressman matt gates, who is seen as a trump ally and not a member of any of the committees leading the inquiry into donald trump, the Impeachment Inquiry, he led roughly two dozen other gop noncommittee members for a sitin in what is called the skif where witnesses have been privately disposed. Stands for sensitive compartmentive information facility. Its a secure room where Sensitive Information can be viewed and discussed to prevent outside surveillance or spying. We got breaking news after a five and a half hour delay, its similar to the white house situation room. Now, the rules here are that laura coopers deposition is only members of the three committees leading the inquiry finally under way. Can be in the room and no phones remember, she is the top are allowed. Pentagon official overseeing now, despite the delay, damaging United States policy regarding details in the ukraine scandal are emerging this afternoon. Ukraine. All surrounding the nowfamiliar joining me from capitol hill as i promised, were bringing him phrase quid pro quo. Back. Garrett haake. The New York Times and the this is the testimony that was Washington Post now reporting supposed to start much earlier today. It was held back by a protest, a tho high sit in of sorts by very level ukrainian officials by the first week in august. Protrump republican members of they were told and advised to reach out to acting white house congress. Reporter yeah, thats right, ali. Chief of staff Mick Mulvaney to and as best we can tell, there was no serious effort to restart address it. And that gets us up to speed. That protest after the committee broke for vote. But lets get a little more detail on Whats Going On from so now, laura cooper will begin what could be a very long capitol hill. Evening of testimony for her. Msnbcs Garrett Haake joins us. Remember, democrats wanted to garrett, has laura coopers get her in front of this testimony. Its been put on hold . Is it just not happening . Committee to talk about the last link in the chain here. The actual military aid that was not provided to ukraine and why, reporter democrats in
particular are trying to make at least at the Defense Department, they believed it was not. Sure this gets done today. She is someone who is important the whole chamber just took a just by being here because shes break for votes. I do not know whether they have the first witness from the started up the deposition again. Department of defense to a lot of times when folks go in, actually show up here. They dont come back out. Another break in the firewall this is designed to be an the administration has tried to Information Blackhole and its put up around folks in the other serving its purpose pretty well right now. But i know there is desire by agencies and back at the white both the democrats and frankly house from testifying. The republicans on the relevant how long will she be here . A lot of these depositions have committees to get this gone as long as nine hours. Deposition done in short order. Now, my informed speculation is hopefully, today. That most of these members of democrats want cooper to close the loop for them. Congress who are eligible to be she is the First Defense in this room will not want to Department Official to show up stick around until midnight and she is someone who they hope tonight. So perhaps youll see the can provide information about professional staff ask the the military aid that was not majority of questions and then when it gets time for members to provided to ukraine and why she talk, there will be a more was told that was being done. So a very important witness. Lightlyattended deposition and if democrats can get her in today for ms. Cooper or tonight for ms. Cooper than we might have had otherwise. Can it continue if theyre today, by any way, they will do not finished with what she has so. At some point, though, this to do . Can they continue to tomorrow . Or another day . Can only be a delay tactic. It cant be a completely stop her from testifying tactic. Reporter i suppose they could, absolutely. Remember, they are already working against the clock here. Reporter you have to think. Democrats are trying to move this inquiry along as quickly as
i asked about this, one of the they can. Its part of the reason theyre republicans who was in that having another witness come in protest effort earlier whether on saturday morning. They see this as an everyday they will not be taking depositions tomorrow or friday. Thing. The house is not really doing he said, look, we want to continue to try to make our much of anything over those two point about the process every day but didnt commit to this days. Theyre essentially breaking for being an ongoing protest Memorial Services for elijah movement. And the fact is, democrats could cummings. So theyre already working on a move this to another room. Packed schedule. I suspect that everyone involved there is a number of other would like to get whatever they things they could do to escalate this further if they wanted to need from ms. Cooper done to try to reclaim control of the tonight if thats possible. All right. Garrett, thanks very much. Deposition. We appreciate it. So a stunt for today but its Garrett Haake for us on capitol hard to see how this could be hill. President trump claims that continually effective tactic for his phone call with ukrainian republicans. President was focused on and indeed, i think theres probably a drop in the value of Fighting Corruption In Ukraine. A politically if day after day theres some new reporting from after day theyre seen as the Washington Post. Refusing to let the inquiry go it finds quote trump forward. Garrett, thanks very much for administration sought billions your reporting on this. Of dollars in cuts to programs Garrett Haake at capitol hill. That were aimed at fighting well of course bring garrett corruption in ukraine and elsewhere. For more on this, im joined now haake back as soon as something by Washington Post congressional develops in that potential testimony. Reporter erica. All right. Lets take a moment to run erica, thanks very much for being with us. Through what made bill taylors there was not a lot of serious testimony so shocking and the thought about this. When donald trump said he was most pivotal evidence of quid committed to fighting corruption pro quo so far. He testified that by midjuly, in ukraine, we didnt have to
dig too far to realize donald it was clear that the meeting that the ukrainians wanted was trump has not got a record of conditioned on investigations of fighting corruption anywhere. But your reporting indicates biden and 2016 election that, in fact, its the opposite as far as what the trump interference. Administration was focused on. An nsc official said gordon right. I think whats significant is sondland, who is u. S. Ambassador that regardless of the rhetoric to the european union, told coming from any president or any ukrainians no security administration, their budget assistance would be forthcoming proposal can really be seen as until they committed to the true expression of their investigations. Also, sondland told him that the priorities because thats where president wanted a public the money goes. And so instead of putting money statement on investigations. Into anticorruption efforts in sondland told him that there was no quid pro quo but insisted ukraine or elsewhere, its the that the ukrainian president go opposite. To a microphone to announce that they tried to cut those these investigations are taking programs. And specifically, cutting a place. And sondland said he told program that was targeted to two ukrainians that unless they cleared things up in public, anticorruption bureaus in there would be a stalemate, ukraine. So, again, running contrary to what the president s claims have been about his focus on that which bill taylor took to mean issue. Right. That there would not be much so youre speaking my language here that people can say needed Military Assistance forthcoming to ukraine. Whatever they want to say. This direct quote from taylors but when it comes to the government, the power that they testimony. Quote ambassador sondland tried to explain to me that president mostly have is in appropriations and budgeting. Trump is a businessman. When a businessman is about to and this is not when you look sign a check to someone who owes at the numbers that were given
him something, he said, the to ukraine in 2019 or in 2018 in businessman asks that person to pay up before signing the check. Green and the numbers requested okay. About to sign a check to someone from the white house, you can see cuts in both cases to that owes him. Someone who owes him something. Joining me now to make some Narcotics Control and law sense of this is attorney enforcement and to economic michael conway. Support and development. He served as counsel to the right. And the argument from the White House Judiciary Committee during house office of management and its Impeachment Inquiry of budget, and there is truth to president nixon. Michael, democrats who have this, is that this is part of their larger effort to cut heard his testimony have said spending on domestic and that it is it draws a direct international programs. Line between donald trump and they have routinely sought cuts this idea of quid pro quo with to State Department and usaid the Military Assistance that was programs and they say there was going to the ukraine going to no specific attempt to target these anticorruption efforts or ukraine. This sounds very specific. These programs in ukraine. It is very specific. That said, again, if they are so its very damning. Hes actually put the steps committed to anticorruption efforts, why are they cutting together to show the quid pro these programs instead of quo. And unlike others who have committing more money to them . All right. So in addition to your testified, michael cohen, for reporting, we got bill taylors example, bill taylor tried to testimony from yesterday. The acting ambassador to intervene in the process. Ukraine. And i just want to read a he was not complicit in this. He was trying to stop the quid segment, an excerpt from it. Pro quo even to the point of he says ambassador sondland, reaching out directly to
talking about Gordon SondlandSecretary Of State pompeo. The u. S. Ambassador to the so he comes to this with an european union, ambassador sondland said he talked to immense credibility. And i think the other thing garrett talked about closing the president zelensky and told them that although this was not a loop, you know, in a sense, this is a jigsaw puzzle. Quid pro quo, if president every witness brings a piece to zelensky did not clear things up it. We get the Defense Department in public, we would be at a stalemate. Piece. Perhaps, get the omb piece. I understood a stalemate to mean were going to have a complete picture to show this was exactly that ukraine would not receive what bill taylor said. The muchneeded Military Assistance. Your reporting sort of stands a quid pro quo and abuse of its not the same thing. Power. For our viewers who remember but it supports the same or have read about watergate, principle that the money that goes to ukraine was contingent the military this is a little bit akin to assistance was contingent upon john deans testimony, right . Some sort of support that the or his role in watergate in that he had detailed information. President wanted. And that the actual Corruption Issue was not really a central part of that conversation. What what bill taylor is providing is detailed information about the phone calls, the instructions, and the right. The Military Budget and that message to the ukrainians. Package of aid is a separate absolutely. Issue. And bill taylor has but what ties it to this contemporaneous notes, remember, reporting that we have today is that we talked about fbi the claims from the president direct and the white house that the director comey. Reason they were holding up that bill taylor has contemporaneous package of military aid was notes and we have the text because of their concerns about messages which are very damning. Corruption in ukraine. The i agree with you completely. And, again, their budget
it is like john dean because he has a picture of the misconduct. Proposals do not support the but whats different here is claim that they were concerned with funding anticorruption john dean was a convicted felon efforts in ukraine or addressing and just like michael cohen, that issue. Erica, thanks for joining us. John dean was criticized on his erica warner is a congressional credibility. Taylor cannot be criticized for reporter at the Washington Post. That. He is a straight arrow. Coming up, despite president although we have heard trump trying to do everything to criticisms coming out of the disparage the Impeachment Inquiry, even calling it a white house. The idea that this has been politicized. Well, its a ridiculous lynching, doesnt seem to be working as the latest polling criticism because he served shows support for an impeachment under republican, democrat inquiry has reached a new high. Plus, from the dark quarters administrations and Secretary Pompeo specifically invited him. Of social media to cable tv to in fact, to come back and take the position. The president s tweets, how so this is not the deep state. Fringe ideas are spread. This is a republican appointee you are watching msnbc. Are spr. You are watching msnbc in this case. Lets talk about the the rereporting weve got that suggested democrats are going to move toward focusing the Impeachment Inquiry around the concept of abuse of power, which the former acting attorney general Matt Whittaker on on fox last night and said abuse of powers not a crime. Lets go back to the nixon impeachment hearings. Abuse of power, first of all,
its not relevant whether its a crime. Its whether or not its an abuse of power that is contingent to the constitution. Absolutely. The president takes an oath to uphold the law. And in this case, hes abused his power in multiple ways. In the nixon impeachment, the second article, which was voted on actually with the largest majority was seven republicans joining all the democrats was for abuse of power. And it was an Umbrella Claim under which was a series of to some extent misajointed activities. President tried to stick the irs on his opponents. He illegally wire tapped journalists and members of the administration. Those were part of the abuse of power. But also, was the obstruction of justice. An abuse of Power Article of impeachment could include any aspect of this ukraine