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MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Craig Melvin April 4, 2019

Right now on capitol hill. A vote on the violence against women act this hour. A pretty controversial law until uncontroversial law, excuse me, until recently. We have one of the bills cosponsors, congresswoman Jackie Speier is joining us on that. And a live look at the white house. Were going see President Trump for the first time today during this hour as all eyes are on him and his a. G. After members of bob muellers team are reportedly not ecstatic about bill barrs letter. But right now two president ial hopefuls getting a lot of attention are on the trail speaking to key voters. Pete buttigieg just wrapped up at the National Action Network Convention right here in new york city held by msnbc host reverend al sharpton. And beto orourke back in the key early caucus state of iowa. Well get the details from our road warriors, Garrett Haake in iowa and ali vitali with the Buttigieg Campaign here in new york. Garrett, ill start with you on this one. How is orourke being received in iowa today . Reporter was going down a suburban street were in a small room here. This is rural iowa, the fourth district. This is steve king and donald trump country. And just being here is central to the Orourke Campaign strategy here. They want to get the candidate in front of everyone. An they are doing this with events large and small. This event here is maybe a few dozen people, 50 people perhaps in a room on a thursday morning taking advantage of the fact this candidate doesnt have to be in washington casting votes or in a State Capitol or city hall leading a local government. He can be out here meeting folks. Well see a lot of this the next couple of days, smaller events, hitting some of the big College Campuses at night and trying to take advantage of what has been his strength both in texas and in his 20dayold or so president ial campaign which is to get in front of as many voters as possible and just introducing himself, which is what hes doing right now. So as that is happening, we also have a much different thing going on here right here in new york city. I want to go to ali vitali on that one. The africanamerican vote, as we well know, will be critical for the democrats going into 2020. What message is Pete Buttigieg delivering there this morning . Reporter so its been really interesting. Were on the second day of this conference. Friday is really when the big cavalry of 2020 candidates rolls in. I think theres eight to ten of them on this schedule right now. The past two days have been a leadup to that. What ive heard matches what a lot of attendees are hoping to hear about. A lot about 21st century policing, how to combat voter suppression. There has been an unofficial litmus test as reverend al sharpton, whos speaking on stage behind me right now, has asked a lot of candidates after they finish if they would su pour, if elected, Sheila Jackson lees current legislation in the house to set up a commission to study reparations. This has become a hot button in the democratic primary field. All of the candidates have answered more simply than ive heard politicians answer with either a yes or absolutely yes. So far thats a test they have established here at the National Action network for what they would like to see out of their 2020 field. The interesting thing about Pete Buttigieg, hes obviously one of the newer comers to the 2020 race and people dont necessarily know a bunch about him. Take a listen to what he had to say here introducing himself to the crowd. As one of our pastors puts it back home, everyone knows how to come visit us in church before an election. What are you going to do after the election . I believe an agenda for black americans needs to include five things that all of us care about. Homeownership, entrepreneurship, education, health and justice. Reporter and he says, you know, what are you going to do after the election . This is a group of voters who they want to hear you coming to them early, often. Its going to be crucial in states like south carolina, so i have a feeling this is an opening salvo for Pete Buttigieg from a group of voters who definitely want to hear more about him especially with that announcement hell have on april 14th. So as we are talking about the future, we also need to address the here and the now and the startling new developments from the mueller team. Investigators are reportedly dissatisfied with how the attorney general portrayed their findings. Some members of the special counsels team believe the evidence that trump sought to impede the investigation is actually stronger than barr suggested in his march letter summarizing muellers findings. Thats according to a u. S. Official who has spoken with them. Now, as we wait for the release of the Mueller Report, weve also just heard from the department of justice. I want to bring in nbc news intelligent and National Security reporter ken dilanian, maya wiley and barrett berger. Ken, im going to start with you. You have been following this investigation as we well know for two years along with all of us but you have been doing it a little bit moremy friend, and you have some new reporting on this in the last hour or so. Bring us up to yasmin. After two years of stone silence members of that team, albeit indirectly. A u. S. Official who spoke to some of them have told us some of them are frustrated with the fact that attorney general william barr stepped in and pronounced the president essentially absolved on the question of obstruction of justice when in fact the Mueller Report is more nuanced and presents evidence on both sides. They are concerned that barres summary in that march 24th letter to congress which was made public did not sufficiently represent the level of concern and detail and nuance in the obstruction of justice evidence. Were also hearing from a separate u. S. Official, yasmin, that the evidence on collusion is more interesting and detailed than that one line in the barr report suggests. They all agree, mueller agrees there was no criminal conspiracy kras but theres going to be some detail in the Mueller Report that will be politically interesting and potentially damaging to donald trump and his team on the question of collusion. So this is all emerging now, even as the Justice Department is pushing back, yasmin, on a specific element of the Washington Post reporting which is saying that, look, some of this Mueller Report should have been easily releasable because they wrote it in summary fashion that did not require a lot of redactions. The Justice Department has released a statement. Every page of the confidential report provided to attorney general barr on march 22nd, 2019, was marked may contain material protected under federal rules of criminal procedure 6 e and therefore could not be publicly released. Given the extraordinary Public Interest in the matter, the attorney general decided to release the reports bottomline findings and his conclusions immediately, without attempting to summarize the report and with the understanding that the report itself would be released after the redaction process. He goes on to say that he thinks this report will be released rather soon. A source of mine is pushing back and saying its very standard to have a line like that on every page of a document. That doesnt mean there was grand jury information on every page. Its being emphasized to us that the Mueller Report did intend that a summary could be easily released. Not in a matter of hours but perhaps in a matter of days. There is some concern about why this process is taking so long, yasmin. Hey, ken, is it complete low unprecedented to hear from anything inside of the mueller team, leaks like this one that are being that are being talked about from the Washington Post and the New York Times . It is absolutely 100 . Weve all done reporting around this investigation and talked to defense lawyers and witnesses and people who have gotten information indirectly. We have not heard this starkly, even though this is indirect, this is mueller people talking to others who are talking to us, we havent really seen that in the course of this twoyear investigation. Look, some of these people have gone back to their regular jobs, some of them have left the Justice Department entirely so its not terribly surprising. What nbc news is reporting is that there was a difference of opinion, a dispute within the mueller team on the obstruction of justice question and thats one of the reasons that Robert Mueller ultimately didnt make a decision. He punted essentially. Which has puzzled a lot of longtime observers of Robert Mueller. He left the field open for attorney general william barr to step in and pronounce the president clear on obstruction. Ken dilanian for us, thanks for joining us on this. Thanks. Barrett, im going to start with you on this one. The big question that we have been asking, and this is also coming from kens reporting, why didnt bob mueller come up with a decision with regards to obstruction of justice and punt the ball to the attorney general, bill barr . Now were finding out there were arguments going on in the Mueller Probe between the fbi and the lawyers involved as to whether or not, a, it was proutable if there was obstruction of justice and, b, whether or not the president was guilty of obstruction of justice. So instead of them coming out with a decision, they punted the ball to the attorney general who they full well knew had an opinion on this. Does this sound plausible to you . Is this the way it works . You know, i would be surprised actually if that was the case. I would be surprised if there was such infighting among the special counsels team that they had to throw their hands up and say, i dont know, attorney general, you decide. For one reason, right . Not infighting, just disagreeing over it. That happen all the time. In every prosecutors office, im sure maya had that experience, within a given team youll have people with a different risk temperature. Some people are willing to look at the same set of facts and say, yes, i think we can bring charges. Some people will say im not willing to push that. That happens. But that is why there is a leader for every u. S. Attorneys office and there was a leader for the special counsels office team, bob mueller. I would be very surprised if bob mueller himself could not somehow reach a decision based, even if there had been difference of opinion on his team, that he would feel he sne needed the guidance of the attorney general. We still dont know why he didnt end up reaching a prosecutorial decision. It sounds to me like shes still putting this on mueller that he didnt come up with a decision, maya. We dont know what decision he came up with. I agree with barrett. The decision he may have come up with is it is better handled by congress in the context of a process that examines authority. Call it obstruction, call it abuse of authority, either way it may amounti to the same thin, which is congress should decide whether a sitting president has done something that requires action. But because we havent seen those summaries, what were hearing in the reporting is summaries that would have been able to be released quickly that would have given a fuller, more fullsome picture of the decision. Let me read a little bit about these summaries from the Washington Post, which was one of the newspapers to break this story. It said this. So that the front matter from each section could have been released immediately or very quickly, it was done in a way that minimum redactions, if any, would have been necessary and the work would have been spoken for itself. Again, we heard from ken, the statement from the doj and he said some of the people that were coming back on the statement from the doj saying it was standard to see some of these things on all these documents. This is something that a lot of us have been saying this whole time. None of this was a surprise to the special counsels office team. They knew what the issues were going to be. They had to have been writing this report with an eye to its eventual disclosure. They had to know congress was going to see this and the American People would want to see this. I would be shocked if there was not some kind of executive summary exactly like were hearing that couldnt be easily released only because they had to have this in mind from the very beginning of their investigation. Why wouldnt bill barr and Rod Rosenstein come to the conclusion to release these summaries that were prepared specifically for this reason . Look, lets back up to both the fact that william barr submitted an unsolicited memo to the white house laying out a very expansive view of executive privilege and an extremely, i would say, controversial view of obstruction. So do you think this was politically motivated by the attorney general . Let me be a little bit more subtle. Motivated by his very strong belief in his version and interpretation of the law that this is a sitting president who should not be getting the scrutiny hes getting in terms of bill barrs interpretation and understanding of the law and of the power of the white house. And using his position as attorney general, which i think part of the confirmation hearing process was questioning on how he would use that position given that unsolicited memo. And what he said was i will be as transparent as the law allows. And what were hearing now which he is continuing to say. If that was true, theres much more we would have seen already in the public view. Barrett, i want to read a tweet were getting to the president that he just put out at 11 04 a. M. With regards to this new information and the leaks coming out from the mueller team. He said this, the New York Times had no legitimate sources, which would be totally illegal, concerning the Mueller Report. In fact, they probably had no sources at all. They are a fake newspaper who have already been forced to apologize for their incorrect and very bad reporting on me. I mean at one point you have the president and his team right after the barr memo came out saying we have been exonerated, moving upwards and onwards. Did he get ahead of himself on all of this in light of all this new news . I think its getting ahead of yourself to say ive been exonerated when even this fourpage letter said this did not exonerate the president. Absolutely i think were ahead of ourselves. Perhaps were all ahead of ourselves. None of us have seen this report except for the attorney general and Rod Rosenstein. None of us know what it means. The one thing we do know, it is a 400page document. You cannot summarize a 400page document discussing anything in a couple of brief, incomplete paragraphs. Let me ask the two of you, considering fact that you are experts in this field. With all of the redactions that you suspect will go on, are we going to get a full picture of the investigation with all of these redactions in place . Were going to get a full fight. Thats what were going to get. Whats going happen is this has already set up a complete lack of trust about whether or not the redactions being made are appropriate, fair, to protect legitimate legal and other interests that should be protected. Thats why the house judiciary committee, at least the democrats are saying give us the full report in confidence, right, not as a public document, so that we can assess as well whether or not there have been appropriate redactions. So i think whatever unless its very light haenhanded, whi dont anticipate, i think youll see a fight. I had about 19 questions. I got to four. Theres so much more to talk about. That you guys so much for joining me, appreciate it. Up next, we head to the u. S. House. My interview with one of the top members. Hear what congresswoman Jackie Speier says. I spoke with georgias Stacey Abrams this morning. Well tell you what she had to say about her future and joe bidens as well. And later, Facebooks Mark Zuckerberg in spin control mode. Well examine his answers on privacy and election interference. Well be right back. Ection interference well be right back. Yes. Its way day its wayfairs biggest sale of the year, and youre invited starting april 10, score our lowest prices since black friday on bestselling furniture, decor, and way more. Plus, everything ships free on way day. Everything . Everything. And flash deals launch all day long. Hey guys, check out the flash deal i just scored our biggest sale of the year only lasts 36 hours so shop way day starting april 10 at wayfair. Com. The latest inisnt just a store. 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