Transcripts For MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Hallie Jackson 201707

MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Hallie Jackson July 10, 2017

Didnt do anything wrong. Just to set the scene here, hallie. This has to do with a meeting that took place two weeks after then candidate trump clinched the nomination. And it was his son, don jr. , Jared Kushner, his soninlaw, Paul Manafort Campaign Manager at the time who met with the russian lawyer with suspected links to the kremlin. Now, as you point out what has become so notable is the fact that don jr. s reasons for having this meeting have shifted over time. First, he said that he met with her to discuss adoptions. Of course, that came after putin controversially suspended adoptions to the u. S. And then, of course, late yesterday changed his story dramatically. Saying that, in fact, he was promised some dirt on Hillary Clinton. As you have underscored, hes tweeting this morning saying, look, no inconsistencies. Ive merely added to the narrative. In a statement over the weekend, he also said that the lawyer was vague and ambiguous and that she had no meaningful information about Hillary Clinton. Thats a point that was underscored by top adviser Kellyanne Conway earlier today. Take a listen. Peoples disclosure statements have been amended to reflect meetings such as this. And don jr. Came forth this weekend and gave more information about the meeting. He also made very clear after denying it. That no information that was meaningful and helpful was gained from this. And an attorney representing Jared Kushner has underscored that this is a meeting that he previously disclosed. This, of course, all comes, hallie, mounting questions and a special counsel looking into the russian investigation, russias meddling in the u. S. Election and any potential ties between the Trump Campaign and russia at the time. Something that President Trump has firmly denied. Now, we are also having more fallout from the president s meeting with president putin during the g20 summit. In particular, the fact that he announced there was going to be a Cybersecurity Working Group. That is something that has been mocked by some of his fellow republicans. Some who say that is akin to trying to set up a joint summit with syrias president to combat chemical weapons. President trump changing his tune on that today tweeting earlier today that the fact that putin and i discussed a cybersecurity unit doesnt mean i think it can happen. It cant. So, a lot of different headlines were tracking here at the white house today, hallie. Another one of those off camera briefings. Kristen welker holding it down in washington. Thank you very much. For now, i want to bring in former Justice Department spokesman and now security analyst Matthew Miller and chief White House Correspondent for New York Times and msnbc political analyst peter baker. Thank you for being here, guys. Matt, let me start with you. If a russianlinked lawyer with ties to the kremlin comes to the u. S. To meet with the president ial campaign. Would our intel communities have known about that . Yeah, probably so. This would have been someone who because she was known to be working closely on behalf of the kremlin with people who are close to the kremlin to lobby against these u. S. Sanctions, this law that imposed u. S. Sanctions. Someone tracked by u. S. Intelligence agencies and they probably would have noticed when she booked a flight to come to the country and certainly when she landed in the country. I think they would have been tracking that. What we know now is this meeting probably came to light possibly because they knew she was coming to the United States but also because Jared Kushner after initially leaving his office, the form you submit to apply for security clearance came back and admitted later that he did have this meeting just as he first did not disclose his meeting with the Russian Ambassador and came back and admitted it after the fact. Do you read anything into that or is that perhaps kushners team trying to do their Due Diligence . What is your sense . When you look at the first application, the one he submitted the first time. Hard to understand how they forget all of these meetings. Given the benefit of the doubt that maybe he forgot this one meeting that he had 20 minutes, a half hour who knows how long over the summer. Give him the benefit of the doubt on that. He also forgot the meeting he had with the Russian Ambassador two weeks before he submitted the form setting opsecure communications channel. Its very hard to believe he forgot that one. When you look at the pattern here from across the administration, the president s son, the president s soninlaw, the president S National Security adviser, mike flynn. The attorney general. All forgetting conveniently to disclose meetings with russians or not telling the truth in donald trump jr. s case in the content of that meeting with russians. There starts to be a credibility problem when they talk about who they met and what they discussed. We are hearing from donald trump jr. This morning saying, essentially, nuthing to see here. That he met, there was no incriminating on Hillary Clinton and that is that. That puts it to rest. Saturday he said something different. This was a meeting totally about adoptions and now saying i am adding to that original story. Is that a done deal now . Well, of course, not going to put it to rest. Lots of questions asked. I think what we were just saying is correct. Any one meeting you might not make very much of certainly was the russians made very clear that they were very upset about these socalled sanctions. Not surprising, perhaps, that they would try to see anybody they could to undo them or at least make friends with people who might position at some point undo them. But what i think as matt mentioned is making a bigger story is the fact that its one of a piece of many. How many meetings does one campaign have when one foreign countrys representatives or agents or and there seem to be an awful lot with russia over the course of 2016, which raises a lot of questions. Let me bring up, peter, as youre talking about this teeing us up for a timeline. June 7th is basically when the primary season ended. We know that. Donald trump jr. Met with the lawyer on june 9th. The same day the president tweeted about Hillary Clintons missing emails. A week and a half week later they change the platform on ukraine and then july 22nd. About 12 days, 13 days after that kremlinlinked meeting. Obviously, much more to that timeline and when you look at it circumstancially and peter , to you, i want to get your reaction, as well. Does it raise some eyebrows here . I think so. Putin praised donald trump and the reaction he got, if Vladimir Putin says nice things about me, i will say nice things about him. Someone that they could influence and they embarked on a Long Campaign through lobbying. This meeting that the lawyer had to talk about and hack the dnc and hack John Podestas emails and do whatever they could to help donald trump get elected president and he, in return, helped them by changing the platform as their timeline lays out and once he got into office trying to roll back sanctions. Something that ultimately fell apart when mike flynn had to leave the administration. Peter . The sequence that makes things more interesting. You know, did donald trump jr. And Jared Kushner in the summer of 2016 really understand what they were doing with this one particular meeting . And thats the question, peter. Right. I think what you hear from the white house and from folks inside the administration right now, hey, why wouldnt they meet with someone to get that . Walk us through that and the context. You covered a lot of campaigns. I mean, you know, obviously, campaigns deal with research on their opponents all the time. You dont usually get them from foreign sources and people with a little bit of Due Diligence you can understand is actually tied to the kremlin and tied to people around the kremlin. Thats what makes it odd. One thing that im going to sit there and meet with chairman from Hillary Clintons stage and tell me about her time as a secretary or senator or Something Like that. Thats a different thing. That makes it unusual. Now, donald trump jr. And Jared Kushner are not naive but not particularly schooled in this particular area and it is certainly conceivable that they didnt fully understand what they were doing. But, again, as you show with that sequence, its the timing of that that makes it it odd and the continuation of meetings with the russians over the course of the months to come all the way through the transition that, you know, raises questions that havent been answered. Peter baker, Matthew Miller, thank you for joining us here. Were talking about members of the administration, right, coming out to defend don jr. But not seeing much of the president today. No Public Events on his schedule. But he is, perhaps, unsurprisingly saying plenty of twitter. Hitting on health care which is the other big headline on capitol hill. Firing this warning shot. Tweeting, i cannot imagine that congress would dare to leave without a new Health Care Bill ready to go. Lawmakers back today after the break are looking at the chances for a bill passing soon getting worse and not better. Nbc capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt joining us now. More republicans jumping ship. What are the chances theyll blow off august recess and stay in town to get health care done . I would just say, hallie, in the time ive been here never seen them cancel an august recess in many years. A little bit unprecedent. They have sometimes worked on christmas eve. But it is a big ask. And there are a group of republican senators that have made this ask of Republican Leaders as they try to sort through this. They frankly have quite a pile of work in front of them that doesnt relate to health care and they cant seem to get off of this health care argument and fight. And Mitch Mcconnell the republican leader knows that this isnt necessarily the best place for them to be and set deadlines and move things forward. The last week, i dont think, was one that was positive. Youre seeing Mitch Mcconnell there. The pictures of him are from the recess when he was back home in kentucky and he made some comments in kind of slightly different tone saying, look, if we cant get where i need to go and cant solve this rubics cube of 50 votes in the senate well have to work with democrats to fix the insurance markets. You heard john mccain assess it bluntly over the weekend. Look, i think this thing is dead and well have to turn around and work with democrats. There seems to be more momentum behind that right now than there is behind this idea that they can actually get to 50. Now, new cbo scores, we think, this week, on some of the changes that they made to the legislation to try to get some of these members on board. Some other things a package from the conservatives ted cruz, mike lee and maybe potentially to get them onboard. Although there is a sense of that cbo score may come back and show them why it may be impossible for that to happen. So, a lot of twists and turns still to come here. Hallie . Hope you had a restful july 4th break, kasie. Ill see you back in d. C. Bring in our panel here for the next 60 minutes. And Senior Reporter for politico, ozzie. Guys, thanks for joining us. I want to pull up this graphic of no votes on health care right now as it stands. Some might argue it is still early in the process, but what do you see as the way forward now for Mitch Mcconnell to get these people onboard . Its very difficult for me to see someone like Susan Collins who just got back from recess saying her constituents were praising her for opposing the senate bill. Getting on the same page as someone like ted cruz who is arguing for the most conservative version of this plan. Arguing for full repeal. So, its hard to see those two getting on the same page on this. And i think Mitch Mcconnell knows this. There is a reason he didnt want to have this bill lingering during this recess because as it is out there kind mareinating it gets less and less popular. And not just the moderates speaking up. Jerry moran talking to his constituents with this. Using repair instead of repeal. That gets to the point, ozzie, is it still repeal and replace or fix what is in existence. They might be going to fix what is already in existence. One thing they did in new york for the house version was create an amendment to the bill that lets the state or requires the state to pick up some of the expenses from local counties. That was sort of a shout out to andrew cuomo and some of the republicans here who were happy about that. A potential chance that in the last minute we saw things that apply to specific states. Carve outs. Carve outs against specific people onboard. If you cant get the grand deal and afraid of going across the aisle you pick and choose where you want to do certain things. 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And new University Partnerships to grow the businesses of tomorrow today. Learn more at esd. Ny. Gov so, lets talk about that cybersecurity trial balloon that went over like a lead balloon on capitol hill. President trump hoping to work with russia to stop election interference. Its not the dumb idea that i ever heard but its pretty close. Im sure Vladimir Putin could be of enormous assistance since hes doing the hacking. We might as well as just mail our ballot boxes to moscow. So, President Trump tweeting about this overnight as im joined by naveed and a senior fellow with the Foreign Policy Research Institute and stewart holiday, former ambassador to the u. N. For special political affairs. Back with me caitlin and ozzie. Let me show you this tweet now. It is about 12 hours old at this moint. Doesnt mean i think it can happen. It cant. But a ceasefire can and did. Obviously, naveed, this is different from what he tweeted 12 hours earlier from when we were overseas in germany working on this unit. You say a couple things needed when it comes to working with another country on international cybersecurity, right . Absolutely. I mean, ill leave the puns to the republicans and the twittersphere. Look, the reality is when it comes to cybersecurity, take the elections out of and just traditional, you know, people who steal credit cards and commit crimes. One of the biggest things is actually taking possession of that person and when you work with a foreign nation, that, perhaps, is one of the key cornerstones. When it comes to russia, my goodness, the biggest cybersecurity criminal resides. Edward snowden. They could easily give him back to us. We can talk about strengthening our infrastructure but when it comes to the geopolitical discussion, a lot of it rests on two things. One, being able to extradite people back to the United States to face charges and, two, being able to seize assets. So, i dont imagine that russia is going to be interested in doing either any time soon. So, it kind of begs the question. What is the point of even going down this road. So, what was the point, ambassador. Ash carter says sort of memorably that russia pulled out an old playbook here. When confronted with something done wrong, ask for u. S. Intelligence. Is that what was at play some. I think that and the fact that everyone is looking for deliveerables out of these meetings. And it sounded good. It looked like perhaps that this could be some sort of cooperation. Weve got the syrias ceasefire. Part of a package. But it was really ill conceived. A reason the russians would want this more than us. Its basically a head fake and, obviously, the response from members of congress and others sort of, you know, evidence of what the, where the chips really are on this one. Ambassaddouser do you think this point when we hear from pat toomey i want you to listen. Vladimir putin needed to come away with that meeting from that meeting understanding that hes going to have to pay a price for his aggression in crimia and ukraine and american elections and a president who let him know squarely. Youll pay a price. Do you think hes right, ambassador . A missed opportunity here. What message was there about talking about this Cybersecurity Working Group . I think there was in a sense that we have

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