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MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Hallie Jackson February 6, 2018
Open. Overnight overseas you had the big selloff. Experts say listen, dont freak out as we look at how much more pain is ahead after this historic run, when we might hear from
President Trump
himself, by the way, surprisingly silent so far on a topic thats typically one of his favorites. Speaking of the president , will he or wont he sit down with the special counsel . Thats the defining question of the morning, the defining question of the month as we look at new reporting about what his lawyers want as the attorneys inside the white house consider signing off on the release of a secret memo. Plus deja vu. Another countdown to a shutdown with the vote set just three days to keep the lights on. We will see how
House Speaker
paul ryan will say about this. He will be at that podium live in the next few minutes. Well bring you that the second it happens. But we want to start with these reports from wall street to the white house and beyond. We have cnbc markets reporter dominick chu beginning here. Dom, we spoke yesterday about the markets. Its been a wild ride in the first 31 minutes of trading. Whats going on . We did. It was a bad situation yesterday but even this morning the dow opened up down another 500 plus points. Youre seeing a positive s p. Markets overall have turned higher after that big selloff over the last few days prompted some people to say maybe this has gone too far to the down side too quickly. We spoke about whats been driving the action here. Concerns about
Interest Rates
, concerns about whats going to happen politically going forward, the looming possible
Government Shutdown
, a debt ceiling debate. All of those things factoring into the market discussion but as markets have fallen the way that they have, it did open up perhaps some opportunities for folks to pick up bargains. Thats the reason why youre seeing a bounce. The question, hallie, backs whether it holds for the rest of the day. Thats the critical thing well be watching,dom, well check back in later on in the show. But lets see whats going on at the white house. The president loves talking stocks. This has been one of his favorite frequent lines during speeches. Check this out. The stock market has gained almost 3 trillion in value since the election on november 8. A record. Weve added 3. 3 trillion. 3. 4 trillion. Almost 4 trillion. Weve created more than 5 trillion. Since election day, 5. 2 trillion in value. More that 7 trillion. Weve created now almost 8 trillion worth of value. Of course, the risk . If you take credit for the wins you might politically own the losses so jeff bennett is at the white house. Jeff, the white house so far had a muted response, i would say, to what were seeing in the markets. Anything new this morning . Thats certainly the case. President trump has stayed silent on the stock market slide and one white house official, hallie, tells us silence is intentional designed to show the drop in the dow is not a crisis. And, of course,
White House Press
secretary
Sarah Huckabee
sanders put out a statement yesterday saying the drop reflects an overall seesaw in the market and that the fundamentals of the u. S. Economy under
President Trump
are still strong. Heres what she says. The president s focus is on a longterm economic fundamental which remain exceptionally strong with strengthening u. S. Economic growth, historically low unemployment and increasing wages for american workers, the president s tax cuts and regulatory reforms will further enhance the u. S. Economy and continue to increase prosperity for the american people. So the political challenge for the white house is to distance the president from the decline in the market because as that montage you just played showed, the president has been quick to claim credit for the stock market on its good days and as you point out, if you claim the rides, you own the fall. So
President Trump
lhas been silent. Hes going to bring a group of reporters into the cabinet room around 1 45 eastern but the official line from the white house is that this is a good problem to have and that it reflects a positive turning in the economy, a point which is clearly debatable. Hallie . Were going to see the president later this afternoon, 1 45 eastern . Thats right. Theres also the
White House Briefing
which you will be back here for so hope to get more clarity on what the white house makes, frankly, of the stock market decline. Jeff bennett, thank you so much, sir, appreciate it. I will see you at the white house later this afternoon. I want to bring in our panelists for the next 55 minutes. Jonathan swan,
National Political
reporter for axios, and betsy woodruff, politics reporter for the daily beast. Well have more on the market watch as well and play 24ru what it means for people. Can i call you out . Because during jeffs live shot when he was talking about how the white houses silence is intentional, you gave a face that could only be described, charitably, as skeptical. Well, the notion that trump is focused on the longterm fundamentals of the economy is news to anyone who of his staff whove spoken to him about this because he follows the stock market like a pundit, like one of the people on cnbc, the markets guy that you just had on. Trump watches it, takes credit for it. One adviser described it to me as his new fetish, thats a quote from them. And its in some ways replaced polls because during the election he loved to boast about the polls. He watched those like a hawk. And he hasnt had much to boast about. Theyve improved a bit recently so the stock market has become his new this is my signal of success. Its also internally become something his advisers use as a way of talking him out of some of his carrotandstick philosophy. Right. So on the trade discussion people like gary cohn and
Steve Mnuchin
say youve set 60 records on the dow, why do you want to risk that by pulling out of nafta . So my question is if the market does continue in a downward direction, what happens to that argument . And what happens to trumps restraint on trade . I want to see if we can get dominic chu back up to talk more about the economy. The headlines, the washington post, trump and republicans discover the peril of touting the stock market bets. Trump running alongside market bulls risks being trampled. This is why president s in the past havent gone out in that montage and ten times touted recordbreaking stock market wins. Its extremely politically fraught to take responsibility for something you dont control. We know yesterday was the first day on the job for jerome powell, the new fed chair, a lot of these changes in the market had to do with concerns about
Interest Rates
, stuff the president himself doesnt control so the fact he was willing to coopt these market numbers is risky. Were not cnbc so we know were not diving deep into the markets everyday. Mark zandi is joining us, he does dive into the markets. Mark, if youre watching this, you have a 401 k , maybe you have money in the stock market, maybe you dont, how concerned should those regular people be . Im not talking about
Hedge Fund Guys
working on these short selling whatever. People should not be freaking out right now seems to be a advice most experts are giving, right . I wouldnt even look. Dont even go on line, dont even log in . Dont do it. Dont do it. That might be a little late for some people. If youre in the stock market you should have a longterm investment authorize. You have to look through these ups and downs so i wouldnt be looking. No worries. At what point will you get concerned . You. Well, if the price declines double. So, you know, from the peak prices are down about 10 and thats a typical garden variety market correction. Weve got weve seen many of those over the years, no big deal. I dont think ill have any doesnt reflect anything in the economy, doesnt impact the economy. If its double that, 20 and stays down, that will be more of a problem. Thats a bear market. That would be the definition of a bear market and probably
Something Else
is going on if thats what were going to get here. And obviously were not at that point but at the table weve been talking about what the white house has been saying in response to this. Kevin hasset was out today, he was out on cnbc, i want to play you what he said and ask you to do the plain english interpretation of what it means. What set off the last couple of days, clearly, is the very strong
Economic Data
which shows that our analysis of the
Economic Data
is correct but the data are so strong that markets are worrying about fed policy. Translation . Kevin is a great guy and what hes saying is that, look, the economy is growing strongly, unemployment is falling, wage and prices are starting to develop. Interest rates are going to rise. The one thing he didnt say, which is very important and goes to the tax cuts, those tax cuts are financed by bigger deficits. The treasury has to go out and issue lots of bonds to pay for this and that drives up
Interest Rates
as well and thats going to take away from any benefit of the tax cuts. In fact, in most analysis the higher
Interest Rates
wash out the benefit from lower marginal rates on businesses so netnet you probably dont go anywhere. So that was half an answer, really. Fair enough. The other part that was interesting is its not like theres a piece of bad news driving this. If you put in the perspective, theres been good news. Strong numbers in the economy. 200,000 jobs added in january. Unemployment rate 4. 1 , hourly wages up over last year, up almost 3 . This is psychological, then, right . Why else would good news be being interpreted as bad news on wall street . Its partly psychological. Go back two weeks ago. There was nothing but wild euphoria and now were coming back down to earth a bit so the sclo psychology is playing the role. But this is how
Business Cycles
end. This is what happens. You get to the end of the business cycle, youre at full employment, unemployment is low, you go past full employment, businesses cant find workers to fill open positions, they cant hold on to their existing workers, inflation starts to develop,
Interest Rates
rise and thats the beginning of the end of the business psych sol thats what stock investors are worrying about so its psychological for sure but more than that. Theres real economics here as well and those deficit finance tax cuts make that more likely because youre juicing up an economy with barroed money to give everyone a tax cut. Before i let you go, betsy and jonathan on set were talking about jerome powell. This is a big week for him in more ways that one. How does his roleplay into this . How do you see his leadership moving forward . Hes key. Hes going to lead the fed in this increase in
Interest Rates
. Everyone is buying into the idea that the
Federal Reserve
has to raise
Interest Rates
in a more consistent way going forward. So hes going to have to be deft in communicating the markets because if he doesnt hell spook people and it will be messy so he has to be very hes up to it. Hes a great guy, very polished. Every fed chair gets tested. Hes getting tested now and hell have bigger tests along the way. Hell handle it but he has work to do. Mark zandi, chief economist for moodys thank you for breaking it down and putting in the plain english. If youre going to leave us with one sentence to remember for the next 24 hours, what is that sentence when it comes to the money in the stock markets . Turn off cnbc, turn on msnbc. Dont watch the screen. And take that ticker off the bottom of your screen here. Lets turn that into a promo. This is why you watch. Thank you very much, mark zandi. Appreciate that. I want to go to final thoughts before we move on to the world of politics with betsy and jonathan. Mark hits it on the head, right . Right. And again i cant stress enough or emphasize enough how obsessed trump has become with the stock market and now we are seeing that what goes up may come down. I want to cut away to show you whats happening over at the capitol because as we talk about politics, so is
Kevin Mccarthy
at the leadership
Weekly News Conference
. Why is this interesting . A lot of reasons as we wait for paul ryan to take the microphone. These guys are just getting out of their conference in which apparently we understand trey gowdy and others spoke about the secret republican memo, once secret, we should say, republican memo as this battle goes down for the democrats to get their memo released. Thats one of two russia headlines to tell you about. The other, those continuing conversations for
President Trump
to meet with or maybe not meet with special counsel
Robert Mueller
. His lawyers are still trying to wave him off an interview with the special counsel. One of the central questions in the russia investigation is he going to sit down with mueller . Is he not going to it is down with mueller . All of it comes as we are following the white house response to that classified democratic memo. Its at the white house, we learned that this morning. The white house has received it, they are reviewing it, they are looking at the rebuttal to the accusations that the fbi and
Justice Department
abused their surveillance powers. Heres what
Sarah Huckabee
sanders is telling us at msnbc today. This memo, the democratic process, will go through the same one as the republican memo. So two stories, two big headlines, lots to talk about with
Nbc News National Security
Julia Ainsley
is here with us now. Julia, lets start with donald trump talking abowith the speci counsel. Weve talk about how theres real questions of whether or not that will happen. Whether or not the white house might look for an out so the president doesnt have to come face to face with bob mueller and his team. We were reporting this a few weeks ago and the time we were having these conversations, it may be coming to a point where they would be sitting down and another thing that was coming up in the
New York Times
piece is the fact that they would like for the president to respond to written questions. Thats something you and i were talking about and it makes sense when you have a client like donald trump that you would want him to be able to have time, you would want the lawyers to review those questions because hes someone who could mouth off and be candid and he could incriminate himself by saying things his lawyers very much not him want to. Julia, paul ryan is taking questions. We want to go to him at the capitol. Put it this way,
President Trump
made a serious and sincere offer of good will with the reforms he sent to the hill. That is what we should be working off of. Those are the bipartisan negotiations that the majority leader is conducting on our behalf so we wont bring immigration legislation through that the president doesnt support. Were working on bipartisan negotiations, its going to be a bill we support that the president supports. Reporter [ inaudible question ] great, well give them an opportunity today. I think thats wonderful. Reporter do you not say anything to the argument that. [ inaudible ] we have been trying to get a budget cap agreement for six months and i would argue strongly the reason we dont have one is because theyre
Holding Government
funding particularly funding for a military hostage on unrelated items that have nothing to do with funding the government. Reporter would you urge the president to declassify the minority memo . Again, its all about sources and methods so we you know whats ironic about this issue is the republicans on the hpsci committy voted to declassify their memo and the democrats memo. The democrats voted against declassifying the republican memo but not their memo so i think what you see here is republicans are for letting all of this information out there provided that we scrub for sources and methods. The republican memo was written to make sure that sources and methods were not compromise sod full disclosure could occur. We dont know whether thats the case with the democratic memo. It has to go through that scrubbing process. Heres what i would like to encourage all of you. Youre the press, the avatars of the first amendment. Protecting a critical component of our
Civil Liberties
. Fisa abuse matters to each and every one of us as citizens and if our government abused the fisa process, a very unique selective process which, if mishandled could complicate and compromise an american
Civil Liberties
, we should care about that. So this is about making sure that our
Civil Liberties
as citizens are protected in the fisa court and that it is not politicized. Reporter last week, you made the case that the nunes memo was separate from the mueller investigation. I continue to say that. Reporter yet over the weekend the president claimed total vindication. Was he vindicated in any way . Let me go back to what i said. This is about fisa abuse and holding our government accountable and this is about congress doing its job in conducting oversight over the executive branch which in this particular case has been given great power over us as citizens. We need to make sure the power is used correctly. Thank you. You have been watching
House Speaker
paul ryan take questions in his
Weekly News Conference
from reporters there starting and ending with that memo situation. What is going on with the potential declassification now . The democratic rebuttal to that oncesecret republican memo. So lets talk about it with former rnc chairman and now political analyst
Michael Steele
who snuck in on set during that
President Trump<\/a> himself, by the way, surprisingly silent so far on a topic thats typically one of his favorites. Speaking of the president , will he or wont he sit down with the special counsel . Thats the defining question of the morning, the defining question of the month as we look at new reporting about what his lawyers want as the attorneys inside the white house consider signing off on the release of a secret memo. Plus deja vu. Another countdown to a shutdown with the vote set just three days to keep the lights on. We will see how
House Speaker<\/a> paul ryan will say about this. He will be at that podium live in the next few minutes. Well bring you that the second it happens. But we want to start with these reports from wall street to the white house and beyond. We have cnbc markets reporter dominick chu beginning here. Dom, we spoke yesterday about the markets. Its been a wild ride in the first 31 minutes of trading. Whats going on . We did. It was a bad situation yesterday but even this morning the dow opened up down another 500 plus points. Youre seeing a positive s p. Markets overall have turned higher after that big selloff over the last few days prompted some people to say maybe this has gone too far to the down side too quickly. We spoke about whats been driving the action here. Concerns about
Interest Rates<\/a>, concerns about whats going to happen politically going forward, the looming possible
Government Shutdown<\/a>, a debt ceiling debate. All of those things factoring into the market discussion but as markets have fallen the way that they have, it did open up perhaps some opportunities for folks to pick up bargains. Thats the reason why youre seeing a bounce. The question, hallie, backs whether it holds for the rest of the day. Thats the critical thing well be watching,dom, well check back in later on in the show. But lets see whats going on at the white house. The president loves talking stocks. This has been one of his favorite frequent lines during speeches. Check this out. The stock market has gained almost 3 trillion in value since the election on november 8. A record. Weve added 3. 3 trillion. 3. 4 trillion. Almost 4 trillion. Weve created more than 5 trillion. Since election day, 5. 2 trillion in value. More that 7 trillion. Weve created now almost 8 trillion worth of value. Of course, the risk . If you take credit for the wins you might politically own the losses so jeff bennett is at the white house. Jeff, the white house so far had a muted response, i would say, to what were seeing in the markets. Anything new this morning . Thats certainly the case. President trump has stayed silent on the stock market slide and one white house official, hallie, tells us silence is intentional designed to show the drop in the dow is not a crisis. And, of course,
White House Press<\/a> secretary
Sarah Huckabee<\/a> sanders put out a statement yesterday saying the drop reflects an overall seesaw in the market and that the fundamentals of the u. S. Economy under
President Trump<\/a> are still strong. Heres what she says. The president s focus is on a longterm economic fundamental which remain exceptionally strong with strengthening u. S. Economic growth, historically low unemployment and increasing wages for american workers, the president s tax cuts and regulatory reforms will further enhance the u. S. Economy and continue to increase prosperity for the american people. So the political challenge for the white house is to distance the president from the decline in the market because as that montage you just played showed, the president has been quick to claim credit for the stock market on its good days and as you point out, if you claim the rides, you own the fall. So
President Trump<\/a> lhas been silent. Hes going to bring a group of reporters into the cabinet room around 1 45 eastern but the official line from the white house is that this is a good problem to have and that it reflects a positive turning in the economy, a point which is clearly debatable. Hallie . Were going to see the president later this afternoon, 1 45 eastern . Thats right. Theres also the
White House Briefing<\/a> which you will be back here for so hope to get more clarity on what the white house makes, frankly, of the stock market decline. Jeff bennett, thank you so much, sir, appreciate it. I will see you at the white house later this afternoon. I want to bring in our panelists for the next 55 minutes. Jonathan swan,
National Political<\/a> reporter for axios, and betsy woodruff, politics reporter for the daily beast. Well have more on the market watch as well and play 24ru what it means for people. Can i call you out . Because during jeffs live shot when he was talking about how the white houses silence is intentional, you gave a face that could only be described, charitably, as skeptical. Well, the notion that trump is focused on the longterm fundamentals of the economy is news to anyone who of his staff whove spoken to him about this because he follows the stock market like a pundit, like one of the people on cnbc, the markets guy that you just had on. Trump watches it, takes credit for it. One adviser described it to me as his new fetish, thats a quote from them. And its in some ways replaced polls because during the election he loved to boast about the polls. He watched those like a hawk. And he hasnt had much to boast about. Theyve improved a bit recently so the stock market has become his new this is my signal of success. Its also internally become something his advisers use as a way of talking him out of some of his carrotandstick philosophy. Right. So on the trade discussion people like gary cohn and
Steve Mnuchin<\/a> say youve set 60 records on the dow, why do you want to risk that by pulling out of nafta . So my question is if the market does continue in a downward direction, what happens to that argument . And what happens to trumps restraint on trade . I want to see if we can get dominic chu back up to talk more about the economy. The headlines, the washington post, trump and republicans discover the peril of touting the stock market bets. Trump running alongside market bulls risks being trampled. This is why president s in the past havent gone out in that montage and ten times touted recordbreaking stock market wins. Its extremely politically fraught to take responsibility for something you dont control. We know yesterday was the first day on the job for jerome powell, the new fed chair, a lot of these changes in the market had to do with concerns about
Interest Rates<\/a>, stuff the president himself doesnt control so the fact he was willing to coopt these market numbers is risky. Were not cnbc so we know were not diving deep into the markets everyday. Mark zandi is joining us, he does dive into the markets. Mark, if youre watching this, you have a 401 k , maybe you have money in the stock market, maybe you dont, how concerned should those regular people be . Im not talking about
Hedge Fund Guys<\/a> working on these short selling whatever. People should not be freaking out right now seems to be a advice most experts are giving, right . I wouldnt even look. Dont even go on line, dont even log in . Dont do it. Dont do it. That might be a little late for some people. If youre in the stock market you should have a longterm investment authorize. You have to look through these ups and downs so i wouldnt be looking. No worries. At what point will you get concerned . You. Well, if the price declines double. So, you know, from the peak prices are down about 10 and thats a typical garden variety market correction. Weve got weve seen many of those over the years, no big deal. I dont think ill have any doesnt reflect anything in the economy, doesnt impact the economy. If its double that, 20 and stays down, that will be more of a problem. Thats a bear market. That would be the definition of a bear market and probably
Something Else<\/a> is going on if thats what were going to get here. And obviously were not at that point but at the table weve been talking about what the white house has been saying in response to this. Kevin hasset was out today, he was out on cnbc, i want to play you what he said and ask you to do the plain english interpretation of what it means. What set off the last couple of days, clearly, is the very strong
Economic Data<\/a> which shows that our analysis of the
Economic Data<\/a> is correct but the data are so strong that markets are worrying about fed policy. Translation . Kevin is a great guy and what hes saying is that, look, the economy is growing strongly, unemployment is falling, wage and prices are starting to develop. Interest rates are going to rise. The one thing he didnt say, which is very important and goes to the tax cuts, those tax cuts are financed by bigger deficits. The treasury has to go out and issue lots of bonds to pay for this and that drives up
Interest Rates<\/a> as well and thats going to take away from any benefit of the tax cuts. In fact, in most analysis the higher
Interest Rates<\/a> wash out the benefit from lower marginal rates on businesses so netnet you probably dont go anywhere. So that was half an answer, really. Fair enough. The other part that was interesting is its not like theres a piece of bad news driving this. If you put in the perspective, theres been good news. Strong numbers in the economy. 200,000 jobs added in january. Unemployment rate 4. 1 , hourly wages up over last year, up almost 3 . This is psychological, then, right . Why else would good news be being interpreted as bad news on wall street . Its partly psychological. Go back two weeks ago. There was nothing but wild euphoria and now were coming back down to earth a bit so the sclo psychology is playing the role. But this is how
Business Cycles<\/a> end. This is what happens. You get to the end of the business cycle, youre at full employment, unemployment is low, you go past full employment, businesses cant find workers to fill open positions, they cant hold on to their existing workers, inflation starts to develop,
Interest Rates<\/a> rise and thats the beginning of the end of the business psych sol thats what stock investors are worrying about so its psychological for sure but more than that. Theres real economics here as well and those deficit finance tax cuts make that more likely because youre juicing up an economy with barroed money to give everyone a tax cut. Before i let you go, betsy and jonathan on set were talking about jerome powell. This is a big week for him in more ways that one. How does his roleplay into this . How do you see his leadership moving forward . Hes key. Hes going to lead the fed in this increase in
Interest Rates<\/a>. Everyone is buying into the idea that the
Federal Reserve<\/a> has to raise
Interest Rates<\/a> in a more consistent way going forward. So hes going to have to be deft in communicating the markets because if he doesnt hell spook people and it will be messy so he has to be very hes up to it. Hes a great guy, very polished. Every fed chair gets tested. Hes getting tested now and hell have bigger tests along the way. Hell handle it but he has work to do. Mark zandi, chief economist for moodys thank you for breaking it down and putting in the plain english. If youre going to leave us with one sentence to remember for the next 24 hours, what is that sentence when it comes to the money in the stock markets . Turn off cnbc, turn on msnbc. Dont watch the screen. And take that ticker off the bottom of your screen here. Lets turn that into a promo. This is why you watch. Thank you very much, mark zandi. Appreciate that. I want to go to final thoughts before we move on to the world of politics with betsy and jonathan. Mark hits it on the head, right . Right. And again i cant stress enough or emphasize enough how obsessed trump has become with the stock market and now we are seeing that what goes up may come down. I want to cut away to show you whats happening over at the capitol because as we talk about politics, so is
Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> at the leadership
Weekly News Conference<\/a>. Why is this interesting . A lot of reasons as we wait for paul ryan to take the microphone. These guys are just getting out of their conference in which apparently we understand trey gowdy and others spoke about the secret republican memo, once secret, we should say, republican memo as this battle goes down for the democrats to get their memo released. Thats one of two russia headlines to tell you about. The other, those continuing conversations for
President Trump<\/a> to meet with or maybe not meet with special counsel
Robert Mueller<\/a>. His lawyers are still trying to wave him off an interview with the special counsel. One of the central questions in the russia investigation is he going to sit down with mueller . Is he not going to it is down with mueller . All of it comes as we are following the white house response to that classified democratic memo. Its at the white house, we learned that this morning. The white house has received it, they are reviewing it, they are looking at the rebuttal to the accusations that the fbi and
Justice Department<\/a> abused their surveillance powers. Heres what
Sarah Huckabee<\/a> sanders is telling us at msnbc today. This memo, the democratic process, will go through the same one as the republican memo. So two stories, two big headlines, lots to talk about with
Nbc News National Security<\/a>
Julia Ainsley<\/a> is here with us now. Julia, lets start with donald trump talking abowith the speci counsel. Weve talk about how theres real questions of whether or not that will happen. Whether or not the white house might look for an out so the president doesnt have to come face to face with bob mueller and his team. We were reporting this a few weeks ago and the time we were having these conversations, it may be coming to a point where they would be sitting down and another thing that was coming up in the
New York Times<\/a> piece is the fact that they would like for the president to respond to written questions. Thats something you and i were talking about and it makes sense when you have a client like donald trump that you would want him to be able to have time, you would want the lawyers to review those questions because hes someone who could mouth off and be candid and he could incriminate himself by saying things his lawyers very much not him want to. Julia, paul ryan is taking questions. We want to go to him at the capitol. Put it this way,
President Trump<\/a> made a serious and sincere offer of good will with the reforms he sent to the hill. That is what we should be working off of. Those are the bipartisan negotiations that the majority leader is conducting on our behalf so we wont bring immigration legislation through that the president doesnt support. Were working on bipartisan negotiations, its going to be a bill we support that the president supports. Reporter [ inaudible question ] great, well give them an opportunity today. I think thats wonderful. Reporter do you not say anything to the argument that. [ inaudible ] we have been trying to get a budget cap agreement for six months and i would argue strongly the reason we dont have one is because theyre
Holding Government<\/a> funding particularly funding for a military hostage on unrelated items that have nothing to do with funding the government. Reporter would you urge the president to declassify the minority memo . Again, its all about sources and methods so we you know whats ironic about this issue is the republicans on the hpsci committy voted to declassify their memo and the democrats memo. The democrats voted against declassifying the republican memo but not their memo so i think what you see here is republicans are for letting all of this information out there provided that we scrub for sources and methods. The republican memo was written to make sure that sources and methods were not compromise sod full disclosure could occur. We dont know whether thats the case with the democratic memo. It has to go through that scrubbing process. Heres what i would like to encourage all of you. Youre the press, the avatars of the first amendment. Protecting a critical component of our
Civil Liberties<\/a>. Fisa abuse matters to each and every one of us as citizens and if our government abused the fisa process, a very unique selective process which, if mishandled could complicate and compromise an american
Civil Liberties<\/a>, we should care about that. So this is about making sure that our
Civil Liberties<\/a> as citizens are protected in the fisa court and that it is not politicized. Reporter last week, you made the case that the nunes memo was separate from the mueller investigation. I continue to say that. Reporter yet over the weekend the president claimed total vindication. Was he vindicated in any way . Let me go back to what i said. This is about fisa abuse and holding our government accountable and this is about congress doing its job in conducting oversight over the executive branch which in this particular case has been given great power over us as citizens. We need to make sure the power is used correctly. Thank you. You have been watching
House Speaker<\/a> paul ryan take questions in his
Weekly News Conference<\/a> from reporters there starting and ending with that memo situation. What is going on with the potential declassification now . The democratic rebuttal to that oncesecret republican memo. So lets talk about it with former rnc chairman and now political analyst
Michael Steele<\/a> who snuck in on set during that
News Conference<\/a>. Hey, pal. Lets start with you, guest of honor. Paul ryan not answering that question on whether he believe this is memo was quote unquote vindication as
President Trump<\/a> tweeted about over the weekend. Because he cant because its not and the fact that look, the truth of it is if you have to keep telling me what something is about and its not apparent to me and not obvious to me what its about then its not about that thing. Youre talking about him saying this is potential fisa abuse. Yeah. And everyone is seeing this for what it is. Theyre on the hook for this whole process inside the intelligence committee. The president is now on the hook for releasing the democratic memo. If house is supposedly behind it. Now you have these two competing narratives out there about what this is about and i think thats something the party and leadership are trying to figure out how to stay in front of. Kasie hunt was in the room for the
Paul Ryan Press Conference<\/a> as she so often is. Kas kasie, weve been talking about the memo and paul ryans comments on that. What stood out to you from the
News Conference<\/a> . Hallie, the speaker of the house, quite frankly, is at the center of something that in some ways is a very uncomfortable position for him to be in but he is a central
Decision Maker<\/a> about how this plays out. Now, so far he is insisting all of the same things he said last week about this this this has nothing to do with the mueller investigation, that exposing abuses of fisa power is what happened when this memo was released and that thats a very important part of the democratic process. He argued, though, that he wasnt going to urge the president to declassify the minority democratic memo because he says there are concerns about sources and methods. The reality here paul ryan has the power if in fact the president decides not to declassify this, it would go to a vote in the full house, thats up to the speaker of the house how that would proceed so he is in a particularly potentially tenuous position here as we kind of watch this process unwind itself again. Reminder to everyone that this process has never been used before around was designed to expose major abuses by the
Intelligence Community<\/a> to give congress the power to do that so this really and i think you can probably tell from the body language of the speaker, im not sure if you took this from the top of it, but essentially this is not something they want to be talking about at all. They turned to us and they said okay, questions. Probably not about what those things we were just talking about, namely tax reform, bonuses, all the things the speaker wants to talk about but clearly, again, to underscore, the speaker played a
Critical Role<\/a> in where we are now with the republican memo having been released and has a
Critical Role<\/a> to play going forward. Kasie hunt on capitol hill. Betsy, i know you have something to say about the sources and methods issue but i want to illuminate the conversation with something adam schiff said just this morning about where his worries are. To say well, we dont want the country to see this i think is untenable. What im more concerned about is they make political redactions, not redactions to protect sources or methods which weve asked the department of justice and fbi to do now have redactions they think is unfavorable to the president. In this press conference we saw a significant change in tone from speaker ryan. Last week he indicated he would support releasing the democrats memo. Now hes suggesting he would not urge the president to release it. That tone change is really important but whats more significant is that the republicans memo didnt reveal anything about sources and methods. The republican memo said christopher steele, a former agent with
British Intelligence<\/a> who we cooperate with was a long time fbi source. Thats a revelation about a source. In addition in the republican memo republicans wrote about when the
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court<\/a> authorized surveillance of carter page so now foreign bad actors speaking to carter page during that specific confirmed window of time now how they were being surveilled. Thats a revelation about a method. Carter page was out again on tv and was talking about this whole thing. He was on good morning america. Well play that discussion. Watch. These are your words i served as an informal adviser to the staff of the the kremlin. Youre advising the kremlin. I would say a lot of people advise we were part of an informal group. Why is carter page still talking . Because hes stupid. Listen, this is a guy hes clearly not listening to any legal counsel. Its a guy who thinks hes playing a game. I know what the hell. Well i didnt say that, well, i said that, i didnt mean that. Its crazy, it makes no sense. Im sorry its just so silly. Heres one thing you never do, youre never not honest,
Michael Steele<\/a>, about how you feel. Pull up the graphic on carter page. Carter page is not jared kushner. Hes not in the inner circle. Hes pretty far removed but hes been involved in a lot of these critical points and betsy i know you wanted to jump in here. Carter pages behavior in this situation is indicative of him having some pretty serious issues. People who make responsible decisions for themselves dont go into interviews with the
House Intelligence Committee<\/a> without a lawyer. Thats incredibly irresponsible and any person who had insight on this process would tell carter that. The decisions hes making are selfdestructive and indicative of some issues. Jonathan . Look, i dont want to entirely endorse
Michael Steele<\/a>s analysis but i have long believed that the clue to carter page is that hat he wears, that little fishing hat that he walks around in. Its true. Its stunning to sit before the
House Intelligence Committee<\/a> with no legal representation. That is stunning. The other person who did that is eric prince who is a billionaire and who is i think we can ascertain significantly more sophisticated than carter page. I want to get quick final thoughts from you, julia on the stories related to the russia investigation, both the memo as well as what weve been discussing here which is the
Robert Mueller<\/a> potential interview or maybe not with donald trump. I was going add on carter page, as we talk about all of the crazy things, all the reasons why he may want to be watched, that sort of fuel this is idea that the democrats want to show that this is so much more than the dossier. And another thing i think we all want the answer to is whether or not that sentence and what we saw from the nunes memo is correct, that was the idea that former deputy fbi director testified
Andrew Mccabe<\/a> testified that they would not have been able to get this warrant or even have applied for this warrant for carter page if it had not been for the dossier. Democrats have said thats not the case and now we want to hold on to those pages and understand why. So if we hear from the speaker they may need to scrub that, well be concerned that those key details might not come out. Julia ainsley, thank you for joining us. Ill ask michael, jonathan and betsy to hang out after the break. Something else paul ryan talked about was this idea of coming up with a compromise on the budget. Thats because theres a deadline in 60 hours from now maybe for another
Government Shutdown<\/a> possibly. Theres a vote tonight. Well talk through it after the break. Oh, thats lovely. So graceful. The corkscrew spin, flawless. His signature move, the flying dutchman. Poetry in motion. And there it is, the baby bird. Breathtaking. A sumo wrestler figure skating . Surprising. Whats not surprising . How much money heather saved by switching to geico. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. Pepsoriasis does that. It was tough getting out there on stage. I wanted to be clear. I wanted it to last. So i kept on fighting. I found something that worked. And keeps on working. Now . They see me. See me. See if cosentyx could make a difference for you cosentyx is proven to help people with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. Find clear skin that can last. Dont use if youre allergic to cosentyx. Before starting cosentyx, you should be checked for tuberculosis. An increased risk of infections and lowered ability to fight them may occur. Tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms. Or if you have received a vaccine or plan to. If you have inflammatory bowel disease, tell your doctor if symptoms develop or worsen. Serious allergic reactions may occur. Never give up. See me. See me. Clear skin can last. Dont hold back. Ask your dermatologist if cosentyx can help you find clear skin that lasts. So we are obviously still watching what is happening on wall street. Check out the big board here. Wild swings in the first, what, 60 minutes of trading or so. The dow is down just a little bit. Down 60 you can see after a 500 point drop right at the opening bell. Still a rally back, which is obviously good news. Todays market moves come after an historic day, major selloff, dow went down more than 1100 points. That was the biggest point decline ever. Percentage wise though it wasnt, thats something to keep in mind. Critical context there. Were starting to countdown clock because in roughly 60 hours government funding is going to run out. Deja vu, right . Today the house is expected to vote on a temporary funding bill to keep the lights on. That bill would
Fund Government<\/a> agencies until friday, march 23 cankick. It would fund the
Defense Department<\/a> for the full fiscal year and it would
Fund Community<\/a>
Health Centers<\/a> for two years. Heres the problem,
Senate Democrats<\/a> say they wont sign on to something with longterm funding for the pentagon without the same kind of funding for the rest of government. Loggerheads. Garrett haake is here with more on how they are planning to break up the jog jam, garrett. Is this still another seat of the pants three days to go
Congress Works<\/a> better under a deadline situation . Unfortunately, it appears to be the latter. There is no appetite that i can find up here for a shutdown. No one is talking about the possibility of a shutdown, but its not sblierly clear how theyll avoid one. The only vehicle at this point to prevent one is to pass another continuing resolution which on the house side is loaded up with these goodies in an effort to win republicans. The two year funding for
Community Health<\/a> centers to win over democrats. The democrats say they dont want it. So that cr is likely to pass the house with just republican votes, maybe a handful of democrats. Then it comes over to the senate and its not clear whether
Senate Democrats<\/a> will have the muscle to strip out the things they depth like and send it become or whether theyll have to take what the house has sent them. The
Freedom Caucus<\/a> chairman, conservative mark meadows, responded to this possibility earlier today. Take a listen. Thats going to be up to democrats to decide whether they want to continue to keep our military men and women hostage and if thats the choice they make, well have to deal with it on wednesday or thursday if the bill comes back. And all kinds of ridiculous x factors to this. House democrats are supposed to be on their retreat later this week so its not clear how it would work if the senate sends them
Something Back<\/a> at the last minute so no plan but no a tide for forcing this to the wire and a shutdown. Garrett haake, thank you. What does that mean . No plan, no appetite for a shutdown. You have to have one or the other. No, you dont. Why not . Because if the politics is were going to put the democrats in an untenable position to force them to the table on our term terms you can do what you heard mark meadows say, sit back and wait. Keep in mind, we tier majority, house, senate, white house. You flip back to the
Obama Administration<\/a> and the period where they had these types of wrangling wranglings, republicans had the same position so at least theyre consistent in playing politics. This is not about necessarily getting a shortterm deal, this is getting the deal we want. Okay but we just had a shutdown two weeks ago. And i think one thing we havent talked about is the effect of democrats blinking last time. Thats interesting. And so theyve probably increased the odds we keep kicking the can down the road. Republicans know theyre going to blink again. Thats right. So a problem viv thought and ive thrown this to leadership. Share your provocative thought. Leaders reject this but i think its legitimate. Maybe the fact democrats blinked last time makes it less likely they get a caps deal an an immigration deal because it does allow you to keep kicking the can down the road if your assumption is well, the democratss, theyre going to suck it up and support this. Remember one of the key issues here is
Community Health<\/a> centers which is extraordinary that republicans are treating this like its just a partisan goody. Hang on. Because we have we like to go beyond the beltway and deal with real world america. We had one of our reporters for our news channel affiliate tracie potts who works in this building in washington go out and talk to folks about this. I want to play you what she found. That funding is the only way the clinic cans keep the doors open. Reporter bertha quintinilla brought her children to l. A. s
Northeast Valley<\/a> clinic for 20 years. To find a new doctor now . I would feel lost. I think this speaks to your idea. The cankicking thing has effects on humans. Its already had one. A small number of
Community Health<\/a> centers have started to lay off employees because of the uncertainty about their budgets and these centers according to
Keiser Health News<\/a> serve upwards of 27 million americans, almost entirely in lowincome, rural and urban areas and they provide services that medicaid and medicare dont cover, particularly services for
Substance Abuse<\/a> and
Mental Health<\/a> problems. Yeah. At this point you saw what was in the plan that will be voted on later tonight on the house side. I think the
Freedom Caucus<\/a> has said they would back in . Well, sounds like it. But the other part of this is theres nothing in there on, for example, disaster relief. Remember when everybody in washington was talking about the hurricanes and helping people who are suffering from those . Theres nothing in there on immigration, which is not unexpected. There was a sense there wouldnt be a daca deal now but where does this stand . The bill will likely change in the senate. I think its likely they pass back something different. I agree that. I think what youre seeing now, which is the early i hate to say this the early jockeying as youre two days from deadline but this is how they do it in this town and this is par for the course. There is a possibility he wants to be jammed by the senate. That house leadership wants to be jammed. Very quickly, i was told by a white house official the president was tongue in cheek when he called democrats treasonous yesterday for not applauding him more vigorously at certain points during the state of the union. Literally a speech in which he was calling for unity and bipartisanship. Does that make it harder or is the well so poisoned it almost doesnt matter. I think it makes it harder because no one believes the president was tongue in cheek. As ive said and many others have said, the president gives a canned tell prompter speech on monday, hell tell you what he really thinks and feels on tuesday or wednesday and thats what happened. Michael steele, thank you for joining the table. But you never have to wonder what michael thinks. There is no filter, my friend. Jonathan and betsy, hang out longer. Coming up after the break, we want to talk about mike pence. Really interesting. Have you heard about this overnight . Opening the door to the idea of talks with north korea while hes over in the region for the winter olympics. Well go through what that means for the relationship between the u. S. And the north. U. S. And the north. Dont miss this after the break. Fire fighting is a very dangerous profession. We have one to two fires a day and when you respond together and you put your lives on the line, you do have to surround yourself with experts. And for us the expert in gas and electric is pg e. We run about 2,500 2,800 fire calls a year and on almost every one of those calls pg e is responding to that call as well. And so when we show up to a fire and pg e shows up with us it makes a tremendous team during a moment of crisis. I rely on them, the firefighters in this department rely on them, and so we have to practice safety everyday. Utilizing pg es talent and expertise in that area trains our firefighters on the gas or electric aspect of a fire and when we have an emergency situation we are going to be much more skilled and prepared to mitigate that emergency for all concerned. The things we do every single day that puts ourselves in harms way, and to have a partner that is so skilled at what they do is indispensable, and i couldnt ask for a better partner. So overseas were on the lookout for potentially potentially the highestlevel direct talks between the u. S. And north korea. Thats because mike pence, the
Vice President<\/a> who just landed there in the region is leaving open the possibility. Hes in tokyo before he heads to south korea for the opening ceremonies of the winter olympics. Nothing is on the schedule now as far as any kind of talks with any kind of north korean officials, but the
Vice President<\/a> s statement overnight is on top of the headlines. Listen. With regard to any interaction with the north korean dead negotiation, i have not requested a meeting but well see what happens. Well see what happens, sumi terry is joining us now from csis. Good idea or bad idea for mike pence to talk with folks from the north korean delegation. In theory its not a bad idea. Its always good to hear what the other side has to say. I want to temper expectations that theres going to be progress. He is bringing as a special guest
Otto Warmbiers<\/a> father. So we are trying to make a point. You heard mr. Trumps state of the
Union Address<\/a> where he focused on the depravity of the kim jongun regime, having the north
Korean Defector<\/a> there. Many mr. Trump has met with eight and now
Otto Warmbiers<\/a> father is a special guest of
Vice President<\/a> pence. So were full steam ahead with maximum pressure policy so im not i want to temper expectations that theres going to be a huge progress made, i think. I think thats fair. Thats why it was surprising to hear the
Vice President<\/a> say well see what happens. It would have been less surprising if he had said no way, no how, not until xyz happens, no . He said if he does meet with anybody his message will be clear, that north korea has to give up nuclear weapons, denuclearization has to be on the table so they could meet but im not holding my breath there will be a breakthrough on the missile and
Nuclear Crisis<\/a> so no breakthrough. Is there anything that you could foresee happening that could make things worse for the u. S. I dont see how it can be worse than where we are. Theres a slight thaw in interkorea relations because of the olympics but its not in theory a bad idea to listen to what the
North Koreans<\/a> have to say if there is such a meeting but lets see what happens. Im not holding my breath on any kind of break through unfortunately. As we tee up for the opening ceremonies here for olympics coverage, give me a sense of what youre watching when it comes to the muchdiscussed north korean and south korean athletes competing, how you see that playing out diplomatically, not necessarily from a sports world perspective. Well, diplomatically i think north korea is trying to really show the an image makeover for itself. I think 288 cheerleading delegations has arrived and so on so its important. Theyre trying to create a mood, theyre trying to normalize itself and see how it goes from there. South koreans are so desperately wanting to make this break through from peace olympics to some sort of break through on the
Nuclear Missile<\/a> crisis but im not terribly hopeful about that. Lets hope that theres no major incident, if there is defection from any north korean members, if theres anything that goes wrong it can be more problematic and cause even greater tensions so lets hope for smooth and successful olympics. Thats for sure. Sue mi terry, we can agree on that. Thank you for joining us from csis. We want to talk about the critical decision that the
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Supreme Court<\/a> ruled the existing maps were excessively partisan in republicans favor. Get this the deadline for those new maps is only days away. Our own
Steve Kornacki<\/a> has agreed to join us with the big board at the bigpicture look with this critical story. Why does this matter . Break it down. We think of president ial president ial race. Trump won by 40,000 votes. Always talk about it like a swing state, pretty much a 5050 state in 2016 yet there are 18
Congressional District<\/a>s in pennsylvania and were not looking at 10 8 split. This is what the congressional alignment looks like in pennsylvania. It is 13 republican districts. It is 5 democratic districts. A lot of democrats look at that and they say, that seems a little suspicious. Its consistently been republican this decade in the delegation, even though the state is, at best, a tossup state for republicans. So what is it that democrats are saying . The court now is saying, with the maps, these are the
Congressional District<\/a>s in the philadelphia area. This is where you kind of get to the heart of it. Theres one i want to show you in particular. The 7th district, the purple one right in here. This is the 7th district. You see, when republicans redrew the map a few years ago, this used to be a compact district. Around where my hand is right now, used to be the limit of the 7th district. They snaked it out here. You get intogetting republican here. Burk it becomes much more sprawling. You know, much less sort of geographically compact. You pick up republican areas. You pick up republican areas. You shed some democratic areas here in the eastern part of delaware county. What you get is, look, this c politically motivated areas. These are republican districts. You get just enough
Republican Voters<\/a> in there to win it. Theyre competitive races. If these are blown up because of the court rule, if theyre changed a little bit, that balance can change in a big way, hallie. So a state that, again, were looking at 135 for republicans, you redraw the lines, add in maybe, if it happens, a democratic wave here, the pennsylvania map could look a lot different at the end of this year. Steve, can you hang out a s. E. Sec . I want to bring in steve and betsy. Were just talking about pennsylvania, right . What about people who do not live in pennsylvania . Roberts barnes at the post writes, a historic string of victories have been in the courts recently. Yet, millions of voters will cast their ballots this fall in districts that judges declared to be unconstitutional. Right. I think this gets to a bigger problem with the map this year, which is, yes, the polls have been swinging against republicans, but the map is so heavily gerrymandered in their favor. It takes in other places, other areas. Or nationally. This is a national problem. Its why people should not bake in this conventional wisdom that the house is definitely going to flip. Additionally, this ruling that we got from the
Supreme Court<\/a> is far from the end of the situation here. Right. Remember, it came single handedly from justice alito, and the reason he made it so quickly, republicans tried to hopscotch over the
Supreme Court<\/a>. From looking over the filings, the
Supreme Court<\/a> released an order where they said to the legislature, you have to redraw the district lines, but they didnt release an opinion explaining why. It would have been extremely unusual for the
Supreme Court<\/a> to block that order without the state
Supreme Court<\/a> explaining why theyd made the order. The fact that republicans in the legislature are frantically, rapidly, trying to get the
Supreme Court<\/a> to get involved was pretty unusual to court watchers. Steve, is it your sense, do you think this is a when we talk about jergerrymandering districts, courts getting involved, could this be a
Tipping Point<\/a> for other regions, texas, for example, where this has come up before . Look, there are other court cases that are working their way through the courts right now. Nextdoor fr door from pennsylva maryland is a democratic state. Dont think this is just a thing republicans do when they have power. When democrats get power, in maryland when they redrew the lines, they did, too. Talk about gerrymandering, the 3rd district of maryland. Im tracing it here. Follow along. Look at this. Thats the 3rd
Congressional District<\/a> of maryland. Geez. There is a court case about that, as well. Democrat s when we talk abou gerrymandering and the balance of power, 2010 was a big republican year. It was the first obama midterm and republicans won big across the country. It put them in position in more places than democrats to control the redrawing. They were able to pull off what they did in pennsylvania in more places. We dont want to say this is all one party being pure and the other isnt. Look, when democrats do get the power, maryland is a good example. Both parties are willing to use this power when they have it. The republicans have the power to do it right now. Not like this is going to change come november, the midterms. Except with pennsylvania. That could be very significant, as we showed you there. Steve kornacki, always a pleasure to have you here, have the big board, thank you very much. Thank you. I want to thank jonathan and betsy for hanging out with us the last hour. See you back here soon. Well be right back with todays big picture. See you in a sec. Whoooo. When it comes to travel, i sweat the details. Late checkout. Downalternative pillows. And of course, price. Tripadvisor helps you book a. Hotel without breaking a sweat. Because we now instantly. Search over 200 booking sites. To find you the lowest price. On the hotel you want. Dont sweat your booking. Tripadvisor. The latest reviews. The lowest prices. Yes or no . Gin. Do you want the same tools and seamless experience across web and tablet . Do you want 4. 95 commissions for stocks, 0. 50 options contracts . 1. 50 futures contracts . What about a dedicated service team of trading specialists . Did you say yes . Good, then its time for power e trade. The platform, price and service that gives you the edge you need. Looks like we have a couple seconds left. Lets do some card twirling twirling cards e trade. The original place to invest online. For todays big picture, were heading overseas for germany for a wild story. It is a portion of the berlin wall. So what is the big deal . What does it matter . For nearly 30 years, only one person knew that this existed, until now. This piece of wall hidden away in a berlin forest. An amateur historian found it two decades ago. Longer than that now. He kept it to himself. He was worried if he told anyone about this hidden piece of the wall, it would end up being destroyed. This comes as germany hits a milestone. As of this week, the berlin wall has officially been down longer than its been up. Itll be interesting to see what happens to this piece of the wall, if they turn it into a don yu monument or let people get close to it. Love to hear your thoughts on twitter, facebook, snapchat. Ill be twitter storying today. President trump at 2 00 will be at a spread im going to talk to you later this afternoon. You know it. I dont know if the boss is listening, but i asked her if i can help you out. Listen, parade on thursday, im in need of like a production assistant, if youre free. I dont know. If the boss is listening, im volunteering. I will be hallies assistant. Thank you, pal. Good morning. Im ali velshi. Stephanie is joining me from
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