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World Economic Forum in switzerland but america, we still got russia on our mind. Moments before departing the white house, trump says hell answer Robert Muellers questions, maybe under oath. Absolutely. Im looking forward to it actually. Say what. Those comments distracting from major sitdowns with world and economic leaders as the nationalist president tries to win over the globalist event. America first is not america alone. Plus, close to a compromise. The president says hes open to a pathway to citizenship for the dreamers. This as more than half of the senate huddles to negotiate immigration reform. The spirit in that room was one of the senate needs to lead. We begin this morning with donald trump landing in davos. The first president to attend the world Economic Forum in nearly 20 years. But the headlines back home, theyre about russia. Which a lot of russians do go to davos. Just before trump left, he said hed love to talk to mueller under oath as part of the russia investigation. Starting with Nbcs Kristen Welker at the white house. Kristen, ty cobb can walk this back all he wants. You were there when the president came back to john kel hes office for this impromptu press conference. I was there and the president was definitive. When we asked him whether he was willing to sit for an in person interview with Robert Mueller, he said hes looking forward to it. And when president said he would do it under oath, the audio is pretty cool. Take a listen. Would you do it under oath, mr. President . You mean like hillary did it under oath . Who said that . I said that. Ill give you an idea. She didnt do it under oath. But i would do it under oath. Listen, but i would do it. So youre going to do it under oath . Say it. To reach a higher standard, you would do it under oath . Oh, i would do it under oath, yes, absolutely. So the audio tells you everything you need to know. Youre absolutely right, stephanie, the president here at the white house handling all things russia. Ty cobb did walk back the president s comments to some extent. He said the president was speaking hurriedly to reporters before he left for davos. Ty cobb went on to say in those remarks the president expressed his complete cooperation by mr. Mueller. Will he testify under oath i asked. Well, cob told me the president indicated a willingness to do so subject to the terms that are being negotiated by his council. Why is this significant . Cob is really putting the focus on the fact this is still a negotiation, that theres still sensitive talks going on behind the scenes. But the big question has been what does the president want . Would he be willing to speak to Robert Mueller . He is indicating a willingness to do so. I asked him whether that interview has been scheduled yet. He said not yet. He expects it will happen in the next two to three weeks, stef. Next two to three weeks, all eyes will be on that. Kelly odonnell is live in davos switzerland as the real insiders like to call it. President trump just got there a few hours ago. I know he has a big schedule ahead. Good to be with you, stephanie. The president will have two important one on one meetings of high interest in terms of Foreign Policy and perhaps less about some of the themes that are always about this world Economic Forum. Hell be meeting with theresa may, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister of israel. The president is watching for the way he is received here in davos. You know his personal brand, his political brand, is really not in step with most of those who gather here on a annual basis to talk about free trade and globalism and some of those sorts of ideas that really run counter to what donald trump is trying to sell with his America First agenda. Some reporters were able to have a brief moment as the president was arriving at one of the event sites today. Heres a bit of how he described his time in davos. Peace and prosperity. You think youre going to be received well here . I already am. You take a look. You tell me. So right off the bat, the president is greeting his own reception here in favorable terms. He flew in to zurich and then took marine one through the alps to davos and described a spectacular view of the swiss alps. And that is for sure. Now some of the more difficult parts of his meeting will unfold over these next two days. Big speech tomorrow, of course. Thats where hell lay out that agenda. Some of the behind the scenes meetings, well be looking for the body language and the message that President Trump and his whole team he brought here are emphasizing. Just how the other World Leaders and influencers are taking these kind of the temperature of Donald Trumps first visit to davos, stef. Very interesting when you look at those images, President Trump is right there shaking hands with the founder of the world Economic Forum, claus schwab. Gary is sort of a davos alumni for last 10 or 12 years. Of course wearing a different hat than when he was president of that bank. My partner ali velshi is there. Ali, lets walk through this, because for the last few days, you know, theres definitely been shade thrown at the president , whether were talking about modi, india saying the Biggest Issue facing the world is climate change. We know weve got members of this administration, youve got scott pruitt who likes to say lets have a televised event debating whether or not it exists. You have Justin Trudeau talking about the importance of global trade. But the president arrives today. People love to throw shade when hes not there. But tell me what it was like when he walked into the congress hall. So he got into the Congress Center and youre right, by the way, people here call it davos. Probably about 15 minutes ago. From the hotel area where hes coming from. I have never seen anybody get the reception that President Trump had. Over the last couple of days, talking to economists, you know, people have started to talk about the idea that America First is not exclusive to global coordination. So everybodys trying to come to terms with the idea that you dont want to end up on the wrong side of the president of the United States. He walked in here and this is the main stay care thircase tha down to the main hall. There was thousands of people, everybody with their phone up like they were at a rock kconc t concert. President trump did get a very warm, very positive greeting. Now in the first of the two bilateral meetings hes having with theresa may who, by the way, had to go back to the United Kingdom yesterday for a question period and has come back to this meeting with President Trump. Hes got a busy schedule. Doing exactly what World Leaders do at davos. He has a massive advance team. So many members of the cabinet. Everywhere you walk today, youre running into somebody from the white house or the administration and theyre making themselves available to sort of have conversations about what the goal is, but the goal is very traditional here, stephanie, it is about really saying were open for business, so the message basic home might be talking tough on trade and telling everybody America First. The message here is a little more traditional, how do we do more business together. Its very interesting on two fronts. When you said he walked into a rock star reception, we have to remember, there are two different things. A rock star reception is a show and thats what President Trump likes. The most Successful International trips hes had thus far, whether were talking about the sword dance in saudi arabia or the reception he got in china, World Leaders have learned, make President Trump feel like a king and a rock star. He loves that. But from a policy perspective, trade will move without President Trumps participation. The world doesnt necessarily need him anymore. We should point out one other thing, the chair people of davos this year, this year there are seven, i believe all of them are women. When i look at President Trump right there, i mention eed clau schwab with him, gary kushner, hes flanked almost entirely well, theres one by white guys. All right, ali, please, stay in this conversation i did see transport secretary Elizabeth Chao a little earlier. So ill give them that, they brought a woman cabinet secretary with them, which is fantastic. My panel, Brendan Greely is a contributor to the Economist Free Exchange globe. Elise jordan, Time Magazine and msnbc political analyst. And ben white, politicos chief economic correspondent. Elise, to you, for your average american, why should they care whats happening in davos . Last year, President Trump talked about davos like this global elite out of touch. Here he is, hes the star of the show. Last year, donald trump ran on a platform that he was all about the forgotten man. That catapulted him into office, that he was going to take care of men and women who had been ignored by late. And now less than one year, one year into his presidency, hes at the most elite world gathering really that there is, and celebrating in his newfound power and also marking the first time an american president has visited since bill clinton in the final year of his presidency. Donald trump goes in year two. All right, brendan, one thing we see gary cohen often do is sort of dial the president s words back. Earlier this week, he said theres no greater salesman to push the American Economic agenda than donald trump. Hes probably right. But garys trying to thread a needle here and say that America First is not america alone. Listen to it. The president believes we can have truly winwin agreements. America first is not america alone. I said in my remarks when we grow, the world grows. When the world grows, we grow. Were part of a world economy. And the president believes that. If we live in a world where there are not artificial barriers, we will all grow. The president believes we can have winwin agreements. You know, he said when we grow, the world grows with us. Thats true. Americas consuming sounds like a song. Well, its less true than it was before. Thats the key. Americas consumer economy is still massive. Its not as comparatively massive as it was in the past. In the past when we want better trade agreements with other countries, we say look, were going to cut off access to our market. What were discovering is its not as big of a threat as it used to be. If we talk about what the president has said, what will burr ross, his commerce secretary, has said that we want fairer trade, that we want to be more aggressive in our trade agreements. Our only bargaining chip there is cutting off access to our own market. One of the things were discovering is the rest of the world is perfectly happy to trade without us. Were going to start to have to act in International Trade like any other country. Elise, gallup found that the image of u. S. Leadership worldwide has taken a hit. 30 of people around the world approve. Should the president care . Absolutely. I think its important why . Just to have strong alliances with other countries. You dont want everyone to hate you and necessarily be against what your agenda is that youre pushing around the world. That is why the comments went across with such a resounding dud when he made reportedly the shole comments. Because why do you necessarily need to antagonize an entire continent . I, for one, dont think so. All right, but couldnt you hate President Trump as a person but like the policy . And thats the argument that Neil Ferguson makes. He wrote, the real issue is the message trump chooses to communicate to Global Business elite. They may hate his tweets and his politically incorrect rhetoric, but they have spent the last year loving his Economic Policy to bits. What do you make of that . Well, its true to a degree. They love the fact that hes, you know, cutting regulations, cutting taxes. Although to a degree thats true of Business Global leaders. Weve gone to 21 on the corporate rate. Im sure some of them are feeling the heat to go low too. When gary talks about not america alone, i mean, its america alone to pull out of the climate accords. Its america alone to withdraw from the tpp, the Transpacific Partnership and other asian nations moving along without us. Its america alone to threaten to pull out of nafta. To slap tariffs on washing machines and solar. Theres a lot of america alone going on in this policy. They like tax cuts generally. But im not sure they really love all the protectionism, pulling out of trade deals and backing away from the world. So they love some of it and they obviously love the rock star celebrity stuff and of course theyre going to cheer from him when he shows up. They like the absurdity of it all. Everythings going so well. Then trump exactly to bens point starts imposing new tariffs. I want to show what the wall street journal, remember, the wall street journal owned by murdoch. And this is the important part, because editorial also said trump is conducting trade policy as if the u. S. Trading partners have no recourse. This is exactly what you were touching on. And whether were talking about wilbur ross idea of the way the world works. Many say its like hes trapped in the 80s and so is the president. I think thats right, they are trapped in the 80s. They think well get another plaza accord which is where we told japan we needed a better understanding of what the Exchange Rate with the yen would be. I dont think we have the Bargaining Power anymore. I talked to some people who modeled global trade to the Peterson Institute here in d. C. You know what they found to their own surprise looking at trade models, models are not perfect, is that if the u. S. Raises global trade barriers, asia continues to trade with itself. Europe continues to trade with itself. Mexico and canada suffer. The u. S. Suffers the most. And so, you know, the thing that doesnt square with our rhetoric on trade, our actual fiscal policy, you know, were talking as if we want to reduce the trade deficit with other countries. The way were spending money says that there is zero appetite in washington for actually doing the things we would need to do to reduce that trade deficit. Doesnt seem like a very strong stick anymore. So we just dont have a lot to bargain with or rather we have a lot less to bargain with than we used to. Right there on your screen, i mentioned him before, you see the president s so ninlaw, jared kushner. I want to go back to gary cohen. He spoke about trade. Listen to this. We are very open to free, fair reciprocal trade. If you treat us one way, we will treat you the same way. If you have no tariffs, we will have no tariffs. We should have a reciprocal tariff. Its hard to argue against that, that we should treat each other equally. The president s going to keep going on that. Whats wrong with that . Well, whats wrong with that, if we slap tariffs on imported goods, other countries are going to put tariffs on their own so were going to wind up paying more. Which is what we saw right after the depression and it only worsened and lengthened the depression. Exactly. Trade policy has never worked. You slap on a bunch of tariffs, other countries retaliate, inflation goes up and the American Consumer gets hurt, commit goes down. Weve done this before. Its in economic history. Its always been a failure and its always made our economy worse. Gary will make the case these are very specific things. They are unfairly reducing prices in china and elsewhere. We have to counteract that. I think there are arguments to be made on some individual things. If your across the board tariffs on goods from mexico and china, youre going to wind up with resib rir reciprocal tariffs. Bad for consumers. I think we have to understand what the the limitations of the word tariffs, right . Were used to thinking of this idea, we import stuff, we can make it more expensive to import stuff. What we export is not stuff but ideas and services and thats very difficult to put a tariff on. The way you figure out how to regulate that trade is these multilateral agreements. Thats what we did before the Trump Administration with the tpp. Thats what the Trump Administration has walked away from. Were not just talking about tariffs, were talking about very complex agreements on how we Sell Services to other countries which is the thing that america is really good at. So in order to sell those things, in order to figure out what the barriers to trade can be and cant be, we need to be part of the complex discussions. All right, brother velshi, can you hear me . I can hear you. So walk me through, you know, we have already heard from countries like india and also one of the main themes in the world Economic Forum<\/a> in switzerland but america, we still got russia on our mind. Moments before departing the white house, trump says hell answer Robert Muellers<\/a> questions, maybe under oath. Absolutely. Im looking forward to it actually. Say what. Those comments distracting from major sitdowns with world and economic leaders as the nationalist president tries to win over the globalist event. America first is not america alone. Plus, close to a compromise. The president says hes open to a pathway to citizenship for the dreamers. This as more than half of the senate huddles to negotiate immigration reform. The spirit in that room was one of the senate needs to lead. We begin this morning with donald trump landing in davos. The first president to attend the world Economic Forum<\/a> in nearly 20 years. But the headlines back home, theyre about russia. Which a lot of russians do go to davos. Just before trump left, he said hed love to talk to mueller under oath as part of the russia investigation. Starting with Nbcs Kristen Welker<\/a> at the white house. Kristen, ty cobb can walk this back all he wants. You were there when the president came back to john kel hes office for this impromptu press conference. I was there and the president was definitive. When we asked him whether he was willing to sit for an in person interview with Robert Mueller<\/a>, he said hes looking forward to it. And when president said he would do it under oath, the audio is pretty cool. Take a listen. Would you do it under oath, mr. President . You mean like hillary did it under oath . Who said that . I said that. Ill give you an idea. She didnt do it under oath. But i would do it under oath. Listen, but i would do it. So youre going to do it under oath . Say it. To reach a higher standard, you would do it under oath . Oh, i would do it under oath, yes, absolutely. So the audio tells you everything you need to know. Youre absolutely right, stephanie, the president here at the white house handling all things russia. Ty cobb did walk back the president s comments to some extent. He said the president was speaking hurriedly to reporters before he left for davos. Ty cobb went on to say in those remarks the president expressed his complete cooperation by mr. Mueller. Will he testify under oath i asked. Well, cob told me the president indicated a willingness to do so subject to the terms that are being negotiated by his council. Why is this significant . Cob is really putting the focus on the fact this is still a negotiation, that theres still sensitive talks going on behind the scenes. But the big question has been what does the president want . Would he be willing to speak to Robert Mueller<\/a> . He is indicating a willingness to do so. I asked him whether that interview has been scheduled yet. He said not yet. He expects it will happen in the next two to three weeks, stef. Next two to three weeks, all eyes will be on that. Kelly odonnell is live in davos switzerland as the real insiders like to call it. President trump just got there a few hours ago. I know he has a big schedule ahead. Good to be with you, stephanie. The president will have two important one on one meetings of high interest in terms of Foreign Policy<\/a> and perhaps less about some of the themes that are always about this world Economic Forum<\/a>. Hell be meeting with theresa may, Prime Minister<\/a> of the United Kingdom<\/a> and Benjamin Netanyahu<\/a>, Prime Minister<\/a> of israel. The president is watching for the way he is received here in davos. You know his personal brand, his political brand, is really not in step with most of those who gather here on a annual basis to talk about free trade and globalism and some of those sorts of ideas that really run counter to what donald trump is trying to sell with his America First<\/a> agenda. Some reporters were able to have a brief moment as the president was arriving at one of the event sites today. Heres a bit of how he described his time in davos. Peace and prosperity. You think youre going to be received well here . I already am. You take a look. You tell me. So right off the bat, the president is greeting his own reception here in favorable terms. He flew in to zurich and then took marine one through the alps to davos and described a spectacular view of the swiss alps. And that is for sure. Now some of the more difficult parts of his meeting will unfold over these next two days. Big speech tomorrow, of course. Thats where hell lay out that agenda. Some of the behind the scenes meetings, well be looking for the body language and the message that President Trump<\/a> and his whole team he brought here are emphasizing. Just how the other World Leaders<\/a> and influencers are taking these kind of the temperature of Donald Trumps<\/a> first visit to davos, stef. Very interesting when you look at those images, President Trump<\/a> is right there shaking hands with the founder of the world Economic Forum<\/a>, claus schwab. Gary is sort of a davos alumni for last 10 or 12 years. Of course wearing a different hat than when he was president of that bank. My partner ali velshi is there. Ali, lets walk through this, because for the last few days, you know, theres definitely been shade thrown at the president , whether were talking about modi, india saying the Biggest Issue<\/a> facing the world is climate change. We know weve got members of this administration, youve got scott pruitt who likes to say lets have a televised event debating whether or not it exists. You have Justin Trudeau<\/a> talking about the importance of global trade. But the president arrives today. People love to throw shade when hes not there. But tell me what it was like when he walked into the congress hall. So he got into the Congress Center<\/a> and youre right, by the way, people here call it davos. Probably about 15 minutes ago. From the hotel area where hes coming from. I have never seen anybody get the reception that President Trump<\/a> had. Over the last couple of days, talking to economists, you know, people have started to talk about the idea that America First<\/a> is not exclusive to global coordination. So everybodys trying to come to terms with the idea that you dont want to end up on the wrong side of the president of the United States<\/a>. He walked in here and this is the main stay care thircase tha down to the main hall. There was thousands of people, everybody with their phone up like they were at a rock kconc t concert. President trump did get a very warm, very positive greeting. Now in the first of the two bilateral meetings hes having with theresa may who, by the way, had to go back to the United Kingdom<\/a> yesterday for a question period and has come back to this meeting with President Trump<\/a>. Hes got a busy schedule. Doing exactly what World Leaders<\/a> do at davos. He has a massive advance team. So many members of the cabinet. Everywhere you walk today, youre running into somebody from the white house or the administration and theyre making themselves available to sort of have conversations about what the goal is, but the goal is very traditional here, stephanie, it is about really saying were open for business, so the message basic home might be talking tough on trade and telling everybody America First<\/a>. The message here is a little more traditional, how do we do more business together. Its very interesting on two fronts. When you said he walked into a rock star reception, we have to remember, there are two different things. A rock star reception is a show and thats what President Trump<\/a> likes. The most Successful International<\/a> trips hes had thus far, whether were talking about the sword dance in saudi arabia or the reception he got in china, World Leaders<\/a> have learned, make President Trump<\/a> feel like a king and a rock star. He loves that. But from a policy perspective, trade will move without President Trump<\/a>s participation. The world doesnt necessarily need him anymore. We should point out one other thing, the chair people of davos this year, this year there are seven, i believe all of them are women. When i look at President Trump<\/a> right there, i mention eed clau schwab with him, gary kushner, hes flanked almost entirely well, theres one by white guys. All right, ali, please, stay in this conversation i did see transport secretary Elizabeth Chao<\/a> a little earlier. So ill give them that, they brought a woman cabinet secretary with them, which is fantastic. My panel, Brendan Greely<\/a> is a contributor to the Economist Free Exchange<\/a> globe. Elise jordan, Time Magazine<\/a> and msnbc political analyst. And ben white, politicos chief economic correspondent. Elise, to you, for your average american, why should they care whats happening in davos . Last year, President Trump<\/a> talked about davos like this global elite out of touch. Here he is, hes the star of the show. Last year, donald trump ran on a platform that he was all about the forgotten man. That catapulted him into office, that he was going to take care of men and women who had been ignored by late. And now less than one year, one year into his presidency, hes at the most elite world gathering really that there is, and celebrating in his newfound power and also marking the first time an american president has visited since bill clinton in the final year of his presidency. Donald trump goes in year two. All right, brendan, one thing we see gary cohen often do is sort of dial the president s words back. Earlier this week, he said theres no greater salesman to push the American Economic<\/a> agenda than donald trump. Hes probably right. But garys trying to thread a needle here and say that America First<\/a> is not america alone. Listen to it. The president believes we can have truly winwin agreements. America first is not america alone. I said in my remarks when we grow, the world grows. When the world grows, we grow. Were part of a world economy. And the president believes that. If we live in a world where there are not artificial barriers, we will all grow. The president believes we can have winwin agreements. You know, he said when we grow, the world grows with us. Thats true. Americas consuming sounds like a song. Well, its less true than it was before. Thats the key. Americas consumer economy is still massive. Its not as comparatively massive as it was in the past. In the past when we want better trade agreements with other countries, we say look, were going to cut off access to our market. What were discovering is its not as big of a threat as it used to be. If we talk about what the president has said, what will burr ross, his commerce secretary, has said that we want fairer trade, that we want to be more aggressive in our trade agreements. Our only bargaining chip there is cutting off access to our own market. One of the things were discovering is the rest of the world is perfectly happy to trade without us. Were going to start to have to act in International Trade<\/a> like any other country. Elise, gallup found that the image of u. S. Leadership worldwide has taken a hit. 30 of people around the world approve. Should the president care . Absolutely. I think its important why . Just to have strong alliances with other countries. You dont want everyone to hate you and necessarily be against what your agenda is that youre pushing around the world. That is why the comments went across with such a resounding dud when he made reportedly the shole comments. Because why do you necessarily need to antagonize an entire continent . I, for one, dont think so. All right, but couldnt you hate President Trump<\/a> as a person but like the policy . And thats the argument that Neil Ferguson<\/a> makes. He wrote, the real issue is the message trump chooses to communicate to Global Business<\/a> elite. They may hate his tweets and his politically incorrect rhetoric, but they have spent the last year loving his Economic Policy<\/a> to bits. What do you make of that . Well, its true to a degree. They love the fact that hes, you know, cutting regulations, cutting taxes. Although to a degree thats true of Business Global<\/a> leaders. Weve gone to 21 on the corporate rate. Im sure some of them are feeling the heat to go low too. When gary talks about not america alone, i mean, its america alone to pull out of the climate accords. Its america alone to withdraw from the tpp, the Transpacific Partnership<\/a> and other asian nations moving along without us. Its america alone to threaten to pull out of nafta. To slap tariffs on washing machines and solar. Theres a lot of america alone going on in this policy. They like tax cuts generally. But im not sure they really love all the protectionism, pulling out of trade deals and backing away from the world. So they love some of it and they obviously love the rock star celebrity stuff and of course theyre going to cheer from him when he shows up. They like the absurdity of it all. Everythings going so well. Then trump exactly to bens point starts imposing new tariffs. I want to show what the wall street journal, remember, the wall street journal owned by murdoch. And this is the important part, because editorial also said trump is conducting trade policy as if the u. S. Trading partners have no recourse. This is exactly what you were touching on. And whether were talking about wilbur ross idea of the way the world works. Many say its like hes trapped in the 80s and so is the president. I think thats right, they are trapped in the 80s. They think well get another plaza accord which is where we told japan we needed a better understanding of what the Exchange Rate<\/a> with the yen would be. I dont think we have the Bargaining Power<\/a> anymore. I talked to some people who modeled global trade to the Peterson Institute<\/a> here in d. C. You know what they found to their own surprise looking at trade models, models are not perfect, is that if the u. S. Raises global trade barriers, asia continues to trade with itself. Europe continues to trade with itself. Mexico and canada suffer. The u. S. Suffers the most. And so, you know, the thing that doesnt square with our rhetoric on trade, our actual fiscal policy, you know, were talking as if we want to reduce the trade deficit with other countries. The way were spending money says that there is zero appetite in washington for actually doing the things we would need to do to reduce that trade deficit. Doesnt seem like a very strong stick anymore. So we just dont have a lot to bargain with or rather we have a lot less to bargain with than we used to. Right there on your screen, i mentioned him before, you see the president s so ninlaw, jared kushner. I want to go back to gary cohen. He spoke about trade. Listen to this. We are very open to free, fair reciprocal trade. If you treat us one way, we will treat you the same way. If you have no tariffs, we will have no tariffs. We should have a reciprocal tariff. Its hard to argue against that, that we should treat each other equally. The president s going to keep going on that. Whats wrong with that . Well, whats wrong with that, if we slap tariffs on imported goods, other countries are going to put tariffs on their own so were going to wind up paying more. Which is what we saw right after the depression and it only worsened and lengthened the depression. Exactly. Trade policy has never worked. You slap on a bunch of tariffs, other countries retaliate, inflation goes up and the American Consumer<\/a> gets hurt, commit goes down. Weve done this before. Its in economic history. Its always been a failure and its always made our economy worse. Gary will make the case these are very specific things. They are unfairly reducing prices in china and elsewhere. We have to counteract that. I think there are arguments to be made on some individual things. If your across the board tariffs on goods from mexico and china, youre going to wind up with resib rir reciprocal tariffs. Bad for consumers. I think we have to understand what the the limitations of the word tariffs, right . Were used to thinking of this idea, we import stuff, we can make it more expensive to import stuff. What we export is not stuff but ideas and services and thats very difficult to put a tariff on. The way you figure out how to regulate that trade is these multilateral agreements. Thats what we did before the Trump Administration<\/a> with the tpp. Thats what the Trump Administration<\/a> has walked away from. Were not just talking about tariffs, were talking about very complex agreements on how we Sell Services<\/a> to other countries which is the thing that america is really good at. So in order to sell those things, in order to figure out what the barriers to trade can be and cant be, we need to be part of the complex discussions. All right, brother velshi, can you hear me . I can hear you. So walk me through, you know, we have already heard from countries like india and also one of the main themes in the world Economic Forum<\/a> is to take National Borders<\/a> down. And they argue that protectionism is a huge challenge around the world and it is the responsibility of the larger more established countries to help the others. Now, President Trump<\/a> would most likely argue against that. Whether or not he made the shole comments a couple of weeks ago, that is the president s view. You know how to make me jealous because that conversation youre just having about the benefits and disadvantages of trade agreements is what i love getting into. Theres a couple of things we have to change. I talked to the ceo of mitsubishi. He said, look, ali, most countries dont think after they concluded a negotiation with the United States<\/a> about trade, that somehow they got the better of the United States<\/a>. There is a real problem in that highpaid manufacturing workers in the United States<\/a> or great britain, higher wage economies, when they make trade deals with all right, ali, ive got to break in. President trump is now sitting in his bilateral meeting with terraheresa may. Lets take you there. The Prime Minister<\/a> and myself have had a really great relationship, although some people dont necessarily believe that, but i can tell you, i have a tremendous respect for the Prime Minister<\/a> and the job shes doing. I think the standpoint is mutual from the standpoint of liking each other a lot. Thats a little bit of a false rumor. I have Great Respect<\/a> for everything youre doing. We love your country. Were working on transactions in terms of economic development, trade, maybe most importantly, military. We have very much joined at the hip when it comes to military. We have the same ideas, the same ideals. Theres nothing that would happen to you, we wont be there to fight for you. You know that. And i just want to thank you very much. This is a great honor to be here. Thank you very much. Thank you very much, mr. President , thank you. Weve had, as you say, weve had a great discussion today. We continue to have that really special relationship. Between the uk and the United States<\/a>. Were facing the same challenges across the world and, as you say, were working together to to defeat those challenges and to meet them. The u. S. And the uk both do well out of this. Its been great to see you. Well, its great to see you. One thing that will be taking place will be trade. We look forward to that. But the trade concept, discussions really i can say most importantly that will be taking place are going to lead to tremendous increases in trade between our two countries. Which is great for both in terms of jobs. We look forward to that. And we are starting that process pretty much as we speak. So thank you all very much for being here, thank you. We will be state . State we will go through that. We will go through that. Thank you. Thank you very much, everybody. Thanks, everyone. And as we look there in the room, i mentioned, i didnt know of any women who were joining the president. Ali mentioned elaine chao. Sarah Huckabee Sanders<\/a> and hope hicks. Elise, the president mentioning a state visit. I could have sworn he was going to have one of those. The president said it was because of obama that wasnt it happening . Well, this has been a source of huge controversy in the uk. There were protests expected to number, you know, over 1 million protesters if the state visit, if donald trump actually came to the uk. So he was very hesitant about going if he wasnt going to receive great press. Specifically took that up with Prime Minister<\/a> may in a discussion about the trip. What i found notable about that exchange is donald trump devoted 70 of his air time to saying how he does have a strong relationship with theresa may. That the reports they do not get along and theyve had a strained relationship are false and they do like each other very, very much. Ali, i know you were outside, were you able to hear the president s remarks . So im at the main level of the Congress Center<\/a> which you know well. The president is off to the side and up one level. Hes coming out now so im keeping an eye out when i see him. Not only the relationship, but the relationship is important. If the what do we all right, whos over here . Okay, this is bb netanyahu just came out behind us. This is the next bilateral the president will have. These are the two very important meetings President Trump<\/a> had scheduled. The second one is with bb netanyahu. This is one of those places. Let me just go over for a second. You can stay with me and well listen to what this conversation is now. How are you, sir . Nbc news. Just wanted to speak to speak to the if possible all right, weve got tight security here. Were not going to be able to get any closer to the Prime Minister<\/a>. One thing you know, as i know, from davos, you dont win over the Israeli Security<\/a> guards. Its a cautionary tale. If you push too far on immigration, you push too far on bad trade deals, you end up inciting a population that votes to get out of the trade deals. Theresa may will have to admit, britains got a bit of a problem. It had some pretty good trade relationships going on. Thats one of your panelists made this point a few minutes ago. That is the danger of overplaying this trade hand. Yes, everybody will make a deal with the United States<\/a> because you have to. Thats how it goes. But the bottom line is theyll also find ways around it. Mexico and canada will find ways around it. Asia is already doing so. Justin trudeau Just Announced<\/a> hes picking up the trade deals everybody left behind with the tpp. This is the cautionary tale of pushing the rhetoric too far. Were taking a look over here. Prime minister, do you want to come and talk to nbc . Were live right now. Come and say hello to viewers. Cnn. Im with msnbc now. Thanks for watching. Good to see you, sir. Ali, right there, right there, Benjamin Netanyahu<\/a> told the world he has been your fan for decades. Bravo to you, my partner. Look, he is in a very good mood. Ive seen him here times before the iran deal was going on, Hassan Rouhani<\/a> and netanyahu was here and it was tense. Netanyahu about to meet the president of the United States<\/a>, going to reiterate a relationship netanyahu has been trying to cultivate for a long time. So thats where thats going. So weve got the president s going to leave his two bilateral meetings this morning in very good shape. He will come out of the theresa may meeting saying theyve got a great relationship. Britain needs america right now because its goinging to lose a lot of its trade relationships. And weve got this meeting thats about to happen with netanyahu. Then its fair game. Then we dont know what happens. There are ceo meetings that the president will be in. His cabinet has been laying the ground are many. And then tomorrow morning my time very late tonight your time, i think 3 00 a. M. , is when the big speech from President Trump<\/a> is going to be. Again, everybodys going to be wanting to hear. Is he talking to his base back home about an America First<\/a> hardline message or is he talking to the world and saying we need more deals and we need to do business with you. Thats the big question. Okay, well, this next meeting is going to be a very good one for the president. Ali says Prime Minister<\/a> netanyahu is in top form. Of course he is. If President Trump<\/a> gets to arrive in davos like a rock star, netanyahu is the kinicky to his danny zuko. These two are true home bboyhom. The kushners have known netanyahu for decades. He stayed in the kushners family home in new jersey in jareds bedroom when he was a middle schooler. You saw President Trump<\/a> has had a number of meetings in the white house with other World Leaders<\/a>. But none would compare to how friendly he was when you saw i mean, up there going me and bb, we go back. Its not just about the United States<\/a> and our embassy in israel. On a broad range of issues, he certainly seems to back the israeli agenda. Oh, 100 . Theyre as simpatico as you can get. Its a beautiful thing. But theyre both riding high as you can see. Theyre going to enjoy this meeting and theyll say a lot of positive things and theyll get trump will get some positive press back in the United States<\/a> for it. So this is obviously probably one of his favorite parts of this trip. Then he gets to schmooze with ceos later at this dinner. Theres no question about it. Then he gets to come back and talk to bob mueller. Brendan greely, you want to weigh in on this . The next meeting the president is going to have will be a very positive one, not just for him. You have the sheldon ed addelsn of the world thrilled to see these two men together. If we already knew who danny suko and these metaphors the only person is my friend steve cka can canuck who has ne seen the movie greecase. I want to go back to the meeting in the uk, much more to the theme of what davos is. You say nice things about getting along together in public. Then you go in private and make dirty deals. So theresa may and donald trump are in a sense in the same place. Both of them say theyre for free trade. Both of them have left free trade areas. Rather trump is threatening to do that with nafta and theresa may has already done that with the eu. Theyre both discovering the same thing. Which is that trade is very complex. You cannot just put up tariffs at the borders for goods and have everything work out when i threaten you and you threaten me. So i think its fascinating that the two those two leaders are trying to figure out a way out of this in private. I dont know what theyre saying in private. I do know both of them are under the very same pressures which is exit and trade agreements does not look as good as it sounded on the campaign trail. We should point out because i know shes traveling with the president but i havent seen her on air yet. Hallie jackson was in her High School Performance<\/a> of grease, that is an important fun fact. Youre sort of on the takeaway here in davos. Among these World Leaders<\/a>, theres a huge amount of russian oligarchs who are there. Who you often hear names as it relates to mueller, manafort. Known for having the Biggest Party<\/a> in davos the last night there. Filled with deejays and dancers and caviar. It will be interesting if he hosts that party this year. And if he does, if any member of the any members of the administration attend. Well, brendan made a strong point about how dirty deals are done behind closed doors. And thats what a lot of Trump Supporters<\/a> really feared this International Order<\/a> that has ignored the forgotten man and is focused on the interest of elites. So now publicly at davos and behind closed doors, President Trump<\/a> is trying to make the case that he isnt such an antielitist after all. All right, were going to leave it there and take a commercial break. While we are off, i challenge you to say how dirty deals are done ten times fast. Dirty deals done dirt cheap. Weve gone from grease to acdc. Full service on this show. Up next, more on President Trump<\/a>s bombshell comments that he is willing to testify under oath. This morn, his lawyer, theyre trying to walk that one back. Lets begin. Yes or no . Do you want the same tools and seamless experience across web and tablet . Do you want 4. 95 commissions for stocks, 0. 50 options contracts . 1. 50 futures contracts . What about a dedicated service team of trading specialists . Did you say yes . 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We can send you that video. You should watch again, what the president said. Tough to walk those comments back because he said them. This comes two weeks after the president said it seems unlikely that he was going to have to meet with mueller. I want to bring in msnbcs intelligence and National Security<\/a> super star reporter ken delanian and justice and security analyst matt miller who, by the way, is a superb tweeter and former spokesman for the Justice Department<\/a>. What do you know about negotiations held between mueller and trumps team . Clearly they want to interview donald trump. If youll recall, initially trumps lawyers floated the idea of trump answering legal questions. He wants to look donald trump in the eye. And now the president is suggesting that maybe hed be willing to do that. But i got to tell you, a lot of people i speak to think that is never going to happen. Because its just too risky for donald trump. He has in the past been a terrible witness in depositions with a tenuous relationship with the truth. Let me give you an example of the problem hes facing. James comey, the former fbi director, has testified under oath that donald trump asks for his loyalty in a private meeting. Trump has said flatly that never happened. If mueller can cooperate that through documents and other witness. And donald trump gives a different story. Hes opening himself up to a charge of lying regardless of whether hes ever charged with obstruction of justice. So thats the kind of problem hes facing. Thats why some people i talk to believe he may ultimately assert his fifth amendment right. For most politicians, that would be fatal but trump is not not politicians. Does it matter if hes under oath or not when hes speaking to mueller . Not really because its a crime to lie to federal investigators. Its a crime, for example that sent Martha Stewart<\/a> to federal prison if people recall that famous case. The president has long claimed that there was no collusion. What do you make of him now claiming there is absolutely no obstruction whatsoever . I want to point out, no mention of money laundering. Just saying. I think two things, one hes reacting to all the reports over the last week. We know hes obviously a big cable news watcher and theres been a lot of coverage of all the witnesses who come in who are apparent witnesses in the obstruction of justice case. The second thing i found really interesting from his comments yesterday, not so much about the interview because hes really come, you know, 360 degrees on this now from first saying he would cooperate to backing off to now saying he will cooperate again. When asked about obstruction, said look, you know, they say all these things about you and then you fight back just a little bit. They call it obstruction. If you take that, you know, take his words at face value, he seems to think that intervening multiple times in the investigation publicly criticizing the fbi in the strongest possible terms is just fighting back a little bit. And of course intervening with the fbi, asking the fbi director to back off an investigation, asking all the intelligence chiefs to intervene with the fbi and get them to back off, thats not fighting back in a legal sense. That is possibly obstruction of justice. I think what we saw in his mind is he doesnt think hes done anything wrong. No, he doesnt. All right, ken, the department of justice has written a letter to the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee<\/a> devin nu nu nunez, talking about the first fisa process. You have the republicanled department of justice repudiating what has been a key republican talking point. I just want to read you from this letter from assistant attorney general steven boyd. Though we are currently unaware of any wrongdoing, we agree that any abuse of that system cannot be tolerated. We believe it will be extraordinarily reckless for the committee to disclose such information publicly without giving the department and the fbi the opportunity to review the memorandum. Republicans have been saying for days this memo shows fisa abuses. Here you have the Top Republican<\/a> appointee in the Justice Department<\/a> saying not only is that not the case but it will be a breech of National Security<\/a> to disclose it which is something republicans have been calling for, stephanie. It is a win for the trump team because all of this is confusing, it muddies the waters and it makes your everyday american say, you know what, i dont want to Pay Attention<\/a> to any of that. Thats exactly what President Trump<\/a> wants. Matt, Justice Department<\/a> says it will be extraordinarily reckless to release the memo. Do you agree with that . Yes, absolutely, look this memo is written from underlying highly classified information the Justice Department<\/a> turned over to congress. For them to release that information without having the Justice Department<\/a> review it first to see if it would expose any classified, you know, any intelligence sources and methods would be highly irresponsible. I think the point that ken makes is really a key one. This is about an investigation that happened or a piece of the investigation that happened in 2016. But this isnt Loretta Lynch<\/a> or sally yates to democrats or even jim comey, a republican that now other republicans have turned on claiming that this would jeopardize National Security<\/a>. That is the trump Justice Department<\/a>. This is the trump Justice Department<\/a> making this claim even when the white house itself from the podium, Sarah Sanders<\/a> from the podium, said they want this memo to be released in the interest of transparency. This was an extraordinary thing for the republicanled Justice Department<\/a> to do versus a Republican Committee<\/a> chairman and i think it shows you how strongly they feel about this issue and how damaging they feel this memos release could be. Explain this one to me, matt. Sources tell nbc that nunezs counterpart, the chairman of the intel committee, richard burr, he said he wanted a copy of the memo but it was denied. How come . I think because nunez doesnt want to show his work to anyone who has access to the classified information who can rebut it. You can make a misleading case about them and the problem is the people who have seen the underlying information that would rebut your misleading case cant come out and argue against you fairly because the information they would use to make their argument is classified. So everyone else that would be in a position to know what really happened, richard burr, who would have seen the underlying information, the fbi, the Justice Department<\/a>, who have seen the underlying information. Nunez is saying no, i wont share the memo with anyone whos in a position i need to interrupt you. We are seeing bb netanyahu walking into the meeting. He is now about to sit down with President Trump<\/a> for that bilateral meeting. Lets take a look. Clearly hes a speed walker. We missed that. All right, we are going to take a break. Thank you, matt. Thank you, ken. This russia investigation only getting more interesting. Again, devin nunez not wanting to share that memo. I got to see that high School Picture<\/a> of him wearing a white turtle neck and that is enough for me. Im glad i got to see that. Were keeping an eye on President Trump<\/a> in davos. 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Mr. President , i want to Say Something<\/a> because this is the first meeting you had since your historic decision to recognize jerusalem as israels capital. Can move the embassy enough to expedite the movement of the embassy to jerusalem. I want to say, this is an historic decision that will be forever edged in the hearts of our people for generations to come. People say that this pushes piece backward. I say it pushes peace forward. Because it recognizes history. It recognizes the present reality. Peace can only be built on the basis of truth. By recognizing history, youve made history. And we always remember that. We also support you completely. And your stalwart position on the iran nuclear deal. Youve said its a disastrous deal. You said if fatal flaws are not fixed, you should walk away from that. If you decide to do that, then we will back you all the way. We also appreciate the fact that you confront arms aggression with us and with other parties in the as never before. Ive never seen the alliance between the United States<\/a>, israel and your other allies in the region as strong and unified as it is under your leadership and the last point is, you stood up for israel at the u. N. In a remarkable way, rock solid support. This is a place, its a house of slander against israel and against the United States<\/a> and by word and deed youve told them enough is enough as you finish your first year in office, i want to say that i look forward to continuing our remarkable, tremendous friendship in the years ahead and i want to express the appreciation of the people of israel to you. Thank you, mr. President. Thank you very much. Thank you. My honor. I have to say with the United Nations<\/a> we were pretty much out in the wilderness by ourselves, the United States<\/a> and we heard every country was going to be against us and it was very interesting. I said, you know, we give billions and billions of dollars to these countries. It amounts to hundreds of millions and sometimes into the billions for certain countries and they vote against us and i made a very simple statement im watching. Im watching and we ended up getting 68 vote either yes or well take a neutral position, which was okay to which was essentially a yes. We ended up getting a lot of votes that i would say virtually we were going to get none and we give billions of dollars away every year to countries and in many cases, those countries dont even support us. They dont support the United States<\/a>. Israel has always supported the United States<\/a>, so what i did with jerusalem was my honor and hopefully we can do something with peace. I would love to see it. If you look back at the various peace proposals and they are endless and i spoke to some of the people involved and i said did you ever talk about the vast amounts of funds, money that we give to the palestinians . We give hundreds of millions of dollars and they said we never talk. We do talk about it and when they disrespected us a week ago by not allowing our great Vice President<\/a> to see them and we give them hundreds of millions of dollars in aid and support, tremendous numbers, numbers that nobody understands, that money is on the table and that money is not going to them unless they sit down and negotiate peace, because i can tell you that israel does want to make peace and theyre going to have to want to make peace to or well have nothing to do with them any longer. This was never brought up by other negotiators but its brought up by me. I will say that the hardest subject they had to talk about was jerusalem. We took jerusalem off the table, so we dont have to talk about it any more. They never got past jerusalem. We took it off the table. We dont have to talk about it any more. Youll give up some points in the negotiation if it ever takes place. I dont know that it ever will. They have to respect the process also and they have to respect the fact that the u. S. Has given tremendous support to them over the years in terms of monetary support and other support. So well see what happens with the Peace Process<\/a>, but respect has to be shown to the u. S. Or were just not going any further. Thank you all, very much. Mr. President . Mr. President . Mr. President thank you very much, everybody. Thank you. Keep up, steve. Its not like you. Well see what happens. We have a proposal for peace. Its a great proposal for the palestinians. I think its a very good proposal for israel. It covers a lot of the things that were over the years discussed and agreed on, but the fact is and i think you know this better than anybody, there were never any deals that came close because jerusalem you could never get past jerusalem. When people said oh, i set it back. I didnt set it back, i helped it. I took it off the table. And israel will pay for that. Somethings going to happen. Theyll do something thats going to be a very good thing, but they want to make peace and i hope the palestinians want to make peace and if they do, everybodys going to be very happy in the end. Well see what happens, steve. Mr. President , any no, i didnt really read his remarks personally. I think im better off not seeing them but weve done a lot for them and hopefully theyre going to make peace with their people. You know what . Its many years of killing people, many years of killing each other. They have to be tired and disgusted of it. Lets see what happens. I think eventually very sound minds, i hope sound minds are going to prevail and it would be a great achievement. I said it from day one, if we could make peace between israel and the palestinians. If we could do that its a truly great achievement put the money is on the table. The money was never on the table. I tell you upfront. We give them tremendous amounts, hundreds of millions of dollars a year, that money is on the table. Because consider should we do that as a country if theyre doing nothing for us . And what we want to do for them is help them . We want to create peace and save lives and well see what happens. Well see what happens but the money is on the table. Thank you very much. Thank you. Any time they want. Any time they want. Alley, to you first, the president certainly talking a big game but for those who understand israelipalestinian relations, can you argue he was pretty uninformed . That was remarkable what the president just said. First of all, he seems to have made news by saying theyve got some sort of proposed deal. That would be news to the palestinians im sure. The palestinians could never get past jerusalem so i just took it off the table to suggest that somehow a Sticking Point<\/a> in the negotiation by just removing it sauld theres a deal. A quick Google Search<\/a> kept on saying nobody ever said we give the palestinians hundreds of millions of dollars, anybody with a phone would know this. We give the israelis substantially more money and have for every year for the last 30 plus years than the palestinians ever seen. It was just a nonsensical conversation that the president was having with the Prime Minister<\/a> netanyahu. If hes got aspirations of being helpful in the Peace Process<\/a> and ill give him this, this is not something that president s of the United States<\/a> have all that successful at doing. He didnt move any closer to doing that. He needs a briefing on that situation. I was very, very surprised to hear the president s comments. The americans dont have some sort of deal to propose to the palestinians and israeli. Now we have a secret plan to make peace with israelipalestinian. We dont. Obviously jerusalem is not off the table just because we move our embassy there doesnt mean its taken off the table. So i think ali was charitable to call that nonsensical. It was unhinge the and bizarre bearing no resemblance to reality. I just watched it with my jaw on the floor. Brandon, last point. Maybe netanyahu just gave a master class in how you manage a Public Meeting<\/a> with donald trump. When you compare it with theresa may from the uk. Well talk about trade. It was unmemorable. Netanyahu said, thank you, publicly, he said. Youve made a historic decision. Youve made history by watching history. All of these things are quotable but they clearly went to trumps heart and one of the things we have heard from foreign leaders when youre doing a bilateral with trump make sure to tell him what an amazing job hes doing. It was amazing to hear trump talk about the International Politics<\/a> and one of the things were learning is as we take money away from other countries chinas coming in with an open checkbook. All right. Gentlemen, thank you so much. What an hour. Ill be back again with ali at 11 00 a. M. And all day long on twitter. Coming up right now, more news with my friend and colleague peter alexander. Thank you very much and good morning to everybody joining us in. Well join her shortly. The president there arriving in switzerland for the world Economic Forum<\/a> as weve been watching making plenty of news already in a surprise interview with reporters at the white house last night including comments about the russia investigation and whether he would sit down with the special counsel Robert Mueller<\/a>. I would do it under oath, absolutely. Im looking forward to it actually. And well tell you what the president had to say about the deputy fbi director, this man, Andrew Mccabe<\/a> and whether he asked him who he voted for. The russia investigation also at the heart of an escalating partisan war of words over a secret fbi memo. The Justice Department<\/a> firing back at House Republicans<\/a> saying the public release of that memo would be, quote, extraordinarily reckless and at that impromptu white house interview, President Trump<\/a> seemed to soften his stance on immigration, hes willing to discuss a pathway to citizenship for those d. R. E. A. M. Ers, the undocumented immigrants brought to the country illegally as children. Its all ahead just minutes ago, President Trump<\/a> sat down with the israeli Prime Minister<\/a> Benjamin Netanyahu<\/a> at the world Economic Forum<\/a> in davos, switzerland. 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