Coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. And cause significant negative economic consequences for iran. And from intern to loyal deputy to arch nemesis, Rick Gates Set to face the heat from the lawyers it had as they crossexamine the former Campaign Aide one day after his testimony. He sat in the alex andrea, virginia courtroom on monday. Manafort glared at him from the defense table. Theyll likely paint him as an untrust worthy testify interested character. Take a look at just what rick gates did and what he said about manaforts crimes and his own. Remember that, and his own. Hes no good guy. He said he had a total of 15 Foreign Companies owned by manafort from the United States government. Companies gates said z Russian Oligarchs paid millions into,
was asked about a meeting between manafort and members of congress that took place years earlier. A meeting gates falsely claimed never actually happened. In his testimony, he admitted to the lie, but pointed out his plea deal depends on his honesty in court, trying to inoculate himself from any challenges. Its going to be a heavy day. Joining me retired navy Counter Intelligence operator. And my dear friend former fbi official chuck rose enberg. How bad is gates testimony . He is not a credible guy. Hes a criminal. But criminals tend to hang out with other criminals, bank robbers with others, fraudsters with fraudsters. So, from the perspective of a federal prosecutor, this happens all the time. We put on, in evidence, conspirators, those who worked with the criminal on trial. And they detail what they themselves did, just as mr. Gates is doing now. So, is it important testimony . Absolutely. Is it determine in aative . Probably not. Because remember this is a paper case. We have bank records and tax return that is Wicorroborate Wh he is saying. This is not good for mr. Manafort. We should also remind the audience Paul Manafort getting money funneled from Russian Oligarchs, hiding money from the u. S. Government and the irs. This was the man selected to be the Campaign Chair for President Trumps campaign. Remember, President Trump loves to say it. He hires only the best people. A guy who is hiding money from the u. S. Government. Chuck, i also want to ask you about the judge here. He seeps to ms to be giving the prosecutors a really hard time. Well i was a prosecute ear in that courthouse for many years. Ive appeared in front of judge ellis many times. Thats what happens. He tends to be i want to Say Something nice but also truly. Just tell the truth. Im going to. So the best judges are umpires. They call balls and strikes. Judge ellis likes to pitch and catch and play short stop too. He interjects himself into cases. He likes to take over questioning and likes to tell them how to best frame their arguments or put on their witnesses. Look, i think hes a good judge. I think he gets to the right place in the end but sitting through a trial with him, particularly as an advocate, can be torture. But hold on. If hes doing this and giving the prosecutors a hard time, one could be because hes a showman or knowitall. And the other because he wants to help the defense because its the prosecutor he seems to be cutting off, not the defense. My sense is he doesnt want to help anybody. I think that would be an unfair characterization. Something bugs him that day and hes on the prosecutor, something to bug him the next day and hes on defense counsel. Ive seen him do both. Ive seen him do both in the same trial. I think the bottom line is this. Jury is out of the courtroom for some of this. Theyre not really going to, i think, learn much about one way or the other based on the judges interjections. This the end i dont think it really matters. Its just a bit annoying and you have to put up with it as a prosecutor. Okay. Malcolm, just a minute ago rick gates laid out in court how a ukrainian businessman paid manafort for consulting work and manafort hid that money. Walk us through the Conflict Of Interest for manafort here. Well, the Conflict Of Interest is manifest here. Manafort was a fixer for dictators. And in this particular instance, working with the ukrainian
government, a promoscow ukrainian government, he was doing activities all of Which Werent Being reported at the time, and where he was getting paid under the table, tens of millions of dollars. And all of this eventually would transport itself into the trump campaign. Theres reporting that he was actually in debt despite the fact he was receiving tens of millions of dollars in these activities. And then, when he came on as the Campaign Chair, for donald trump, he was offering russian owingly gashin owis access. This is a lot bigger than money. And i think that the Mueller Campaign knows that. What theyre doing is there are three trials going on. This one, with is manaforts past which will eventually lead to a future trial about his relationship with russia in the future and then New York State, which is going to guarantee he gets no pardon on all the crimes
hes carry the out within that state. Chuck, whats the fate of the mueller investigation, if manafort gets off here . Well, he has another trial in the District Of Columbia later this year. First of all, i dont expect him to get off here. This is an exceedingly strong case. But, stephanie, to your question, if he does, continue it is. Acquittals happen. Ive probably tried 40 or 50 cases. Ive had an acquittal or too. All good prosecutors, i think have. Politically i mean that with a small p. It would be a setback. Legally rather meaningless. I want to ask you guys with hope hicks. Hope hicks left the administration. She resigned a day after she testified to the house intel committee, and im sure she was asked about that trump tower meeting, because remember, she was on Air Force One with the president when he misrepresented what that Meeting Don Junior had
with the russian lawyer. Hope hicks now made her way back to bedminster supposedly for old times sake she decided to go to the rally in ohio with the president. I would probably bring tennis shoes and a tshirt. Alas she was ready to join the president. Could Robert Mueller or house intel ask to speak with her again . If she had oneonone time with the president , given how serious things are about that meeting, how closely tied she is to it, and now she was with the president , did she just walk back into a hornets nest . Yeah. I think so. By the way, so the extent the president and his team complain about how long this investigation is taking, frankly, theyre the ones creating more evidence. First thing that Defense Lawyer will tell his or her client is not to talk to any other witnesses. Its a strict rule and makes perfect sense. And so, naturally, i think, muellers team is going to want to ask her, what did you talk
did she tell us the truth the first time or did she go to the president and coordinate a lie . Like she helped did with the trump tower memo . Back in 2017. I really wait and hope to see that she played the right role and shes going to be straight with the Special Counsel and not cover for the president. Well see. How she told that story of the meading at best was naive, at worse was complicit. What is Corporate America going to say. When you got involved in the whole mess, not over and done with and then went back . Strange. I really appreciate you joining me. Next, nbc news exclusive. President trump has now gone from separating children to attacking people who are applying legally for citizenship and green cards. Were going to explain his new plan to target legal immigrants and why it would not need
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the border remain in the custody of health and human services. Now the Trump Administration has gone from separating kids to attacking legal immigrants applying for citizenship and green cards. We are talking about 20 Million People who are living and working and paying taxes in the United States of america who could be affected. Nbc news now exclusively reporting this proposal comes from Stephen Miller as he moves to limit the number of migrants attaining legal status. It would make it difficult for ones who use a range of Public Welfare programs including obamacare. This push is in direct contrast with the president s own words. I want people coming in, people dont say this and they certainly dont report it but i want people coming in based on merit. We want people to come into the country but we want them to come
lowpaying jobs because theyre in jobs a lot of american citizens wouldnt want to take. Its like a man named louie carl charless. He works 80 hours a week, he has to use public assistance to take care of his daughter. He wants to get citizenship but under the new policy he could be eliminated because he uses public assistance, like obamacare, food stamps even some tax credits would actually hurt a lot of immigrants applying to get green cards or citizenship. Theyre esditimatesing it coulde 20 million. It affects one thats applying for citizenship if anyone in their household needs that assistance, like Louie Charles daughter. I want to walk through the type of people this could
affect. I can see miller saying do you think people should come here and be on welfare. These arent people sitting on in their house collecting a government check. These are people working fulltime. Theyre not offered health care by the employer. Thats why they use the obamacare system. Thats not what one would think is typically welfare. Why would we look to punish people like that . Well this will goes to the heart of how you build the american dream. Miller says he wants to target illegal immigration. Most people ive interviewed you have a very familiar immigrant story. That is that someone comes here, start working a low paying jobk might need Government Assistance at the beginning and then they go on to maybe go to college and might become a professor. So many years after im able to support my family and put my kids in college. I know so many people like that. What this would do is say even if you had a simple beginning, were going to hold that against you. I think we have seen Steven Miller talk about this idea of chain migration. It has just been family immigration. Its been the way that generations of immigrants have come here. Come here, built a way and brought over the family and built families. Its how america was built. I think thats a really at the heart of this policy. Julia, who does this policy serve . Is who does it work for and who supports this idea . Because when you get down to the nuts and bolts of it, i mentioned it earlier, we need a labor force. Think about the i. C. E. Raid that took place last month, the biggest ever in ohio that was in a Meat Processing plant and those people were in violation of the law but the reason that Processing Plant hired them was because they couldnt get americans who wanted to literally make the sausage. So who is it Sfipecifically Thas going to look at this policy and say right on, mr. President. Theres reason Steven Miller is trending on twitter because people want to know who would back a plan. Theres a lot we can learn from him and the group of people that came from the hill with him, and have been placed in the administration. These are now people at dhs, Justice Department and at the white house. They used to be seen as a right fla flank on the hill pushing policies like this especially the policy to lower the overall number of immigrants coming into the country. This is their plan. Of the it could potentially set up a political conversation they would want heading into the midterms where were not seeing them pulled apart but on welfare. They may try to glaze over the fact that you accurately brought up that a lot of these people are working immigrants, working
when someone says that to you, do you ask them would you like to be a taxi driver . Would you like to deliver food z, build a fence . Well i dont ask them that specifically. What ask them is what did that taxi driver do to you but nothing in particular. I just dont like the look of them. Its not the fact you dont like theyre brown its the fact that youre uncomfortable around people of color and around other cultures, so in some ways as a reporter im here to expose. Donald trump spoke to that vein of america and thats what really this is about. You know what looks really ugly, people who spew hate. If we just gave one another a chance and cared more, i think we could solve a lot. Thanks so much. Next, President Trumps radical diplomacy. Can you believe that . I dont like when my taxi driver
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welcome back. Im stephanie ruhle. President trump is boasting about slamming sanctions on iran which is creating tensions with our own allies. He tweeted earlier in part, these are the most biting sanctions ever imposed and in november, they rachet up to yet another level. Anyone doing business with iran will not be doing business with the United States. Im asking for world peace. Nothing less. Sanctions, which had been eased under the iran 2005 excuse me. 2015 nuclear deal went back into effect this morning. As a result of the u. S. Pulling out of the greem. Now the European Union is encouraging investors to increase business with iran arguing the nation has upheld its end of the deal. With me now former democratic congressman jane harman who is the president and ceo. Woodrow wilson center. Trump appears to be threatening any country that does business with iran. ,000 is that going to affect theUnited States and europe . The Regime Collapse is going to be pretty hard to achieve. That seems to be what hes going for. But i think the rest of the world is not in step here. By blowing up the iran deal, in the spring we lost the support we had, which was hard to achieve in russia and china and obviously the eu. And theyre working against us as you just said and i dhingk russia and china are not going to care about the threats. I want to stay on that because the National Security adviser said this morning he is not worried about countries like you a iran and china doing a workarou