Coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. Attorney for the Southern District of new york elly honing. Julia, start with you. Did somebody tell the president he could take over this investigation . Where is it coming from . Seems to just be coming out of his adlib interview as he frequently does. Sort of spins from the cuff here. Seems that this is coming from a place of increased rhetoric from President Trump. He wants to show that he has control over the situation. In fact a lot of times likes bringing up the russia investigation. Perhaps that plays to his base who thinks this is part of the witchhunt he describes treating him and others like Paul Manafort unfairly. It could be that hes watching what the coverage of the Manafort Trial, thats getting to him. Could be he sees people like don mcgahn, his white house Special Counsel speaking to Robert Mueller and heard a lot about the fact Robert Mueller could be preparing a slew of indictments to give himself space before midterms possible coming before labor day. All of those things could trigger him, amping up the
temperature for him to be coming out saying this. You laid it ow perfectly. No way he could run this. The Justice Department is the arm of the Executive Branch that can criminally prosecute. The white house cannot. End there. You pointed out, doesnt have the power to fire mueller. He has to then do that through an access like firing Rod Rosenstein or sessions and having someone else not recused come in and take over this. The problem is, what you say, ends there, couldnt actually happen. The point, when we saw the brennan Security Clearance issue a lot of things shouldnt actually happen. Until somebody actually does something about it, thats the issue. Look, julies laid it out. Ive laid it out. Its not possible that the president could be getting advice from anybody hoop a lawyer probably spent more than a day in law school to understand that this is possible. Is this like the polling of John Brennans clearance . The president is testing waters, putting it out there as a p. R. Move . Feels he can do whav he
wants. A simplistic notion of the presidency. Im the president. Im the boss. Im in charge. This is all mine. Almost a kindergartenlike level of understanding of what the president can do. I can tell you, something who worked for the department of justice eight years, the notion of donald trump taking over this investigation or any investigation makes me shutter. Hes obviously wildly incompetent to do so and already gotten himself in Trouble Overstepping that line of independence with the department of justice. Where the obstruction of Justice Charges or investigation springs from. He, julia, the president also tweeted about taking somebody elses Security Clearance away. The danger many fear from what the president is doing these days, floats an idea, does something about it. Everybodys outraged about it. But its not clear one would assume because these rules exist the president cant do it. Is anybody from justice or have we had comments from anybody saying, no, you cant do itsthis is what wed do if you did . Interesting. First ali, i have to say i just got a note the jury in the Manafort Trial submit add note. Ken delanian where pick that up. Breaking at this moment. Wanted to get that to you. We dont know what has means. Thank you. The just it department in a lot of ways, Yes Harks To Run Politics here. They dont want to get out in front of the president. You know, the president Berated Sessions and Rod Rosenstein as deputy. In a lot of ways they dont want to get ahead of them. Yes, go to people at the Justice Department they will willingly walk us through that process. Often on background to show, no. It is Rod Rosenstein whos in charge of this investigation. Julia, on that point of the Manafort Jury, lets go to ken delanian as you said covering this now. In front of the courthouse. What do we know . Reporter very little, ali. A knock on the jury door and our analyst dan goldman told me he was told there was a note. Not a verdict. We wait to see what information this note reveals to us. We have not had a note other
than the one that asked whether they could go home at 5 00 since thursday, which, were all Juror Experts now. We all Speck Lace Whulate What on. Why not know these other days if going through all of this documentation . Again, youve talked to more than i have about this. No one actually knows what it means . Reporter right. The lack of a note could suggest that there is no disagreement. No questions about the law. Plowing through the evidence, or have disagreements they dont need to ask the judge about. We dont know. All weve done, watch them take breaks. A couple smokers. Seen cigarette breaks every once in a while. Hard to read body language. No idea whats happening. Tell you soon as we learn. And friday excited about a note that said, can we go home at 5 00 . Elly honing is with me. Asked every lawyer around us what three days of deliberations
mean. 7 and 10 and 12 days of deliberation and we dont know what it means. Fun to watch the entire American Public go through what we as prosecutors go through. How did they look . Someone shoot a long glance . What does the note say . How is it written . Kiffin inks . One Person Writing . Obsession and the ultimate futile exercise. But for perspective, day four is not long. For a trial like this. They could come back today. Because its a highly detailed trial. As much as the prosecution tried to make it just about lying there are documents. Yes. 18 counts. Hundreds of documents. Remember, the judge cut the prosecution short a little and didnt let the prosecution do indepth descriptions of the documents. The jury may be having to do that now. Ive had cases, nowhere near this level of complexity with a jury two full weeks. Ive had, a onecount case against one indictment that went a full week. Were not at a full week yet. This jury could be, and the
prior note, first note, suggesting they may be going through the counts very deliberately, one at a time. Something ive learned i wasnt familiar with is that in a case with heavy documentation, there are different ways to present that documentation to The Jurys Inthis Case the judge Wae Wasnt Amenable having the document presented at the time of testimony as evidence. They are, since they got into the jury room thursday have been going through the documents the first time. That alone would be a lot of work. Yes. That was a serious handicap i think that the judge put on the prosecution. When putting in, financial documents are complex. Sure. And what you want to be able to do as a prosecutor, have your agent, typically an fbi agent explain. Put it on the screen. What does this clem mean . This column . How did we arrive at figures at the end . The judge cut short the prosecutors ability to do that. The thought of the jury figure that that out would you
midterm elections. Almost deidentical to the one i 2016. Well get the details next. Supp. Yep, thanks guys. I think he might need some support. Yes. Start them off right, with the School Supplies they need at low prices all summer long. Like these for only 2 or less at office depot officemax. Mom okay we need to get all your School Supplies today. School. Grade. Done. Done. Hit the Snooze Button and get low prices on School Supplies all summer long. Like these for only 2 or less at office depot officemax. Out to me when the jury has a verdict they dont necessarily send a note that says verdict. My note to the judge could be they have a verdict. We dont know categorically this isnt a verdict bud dont know it is either. Soon as we have that well get that to you. You know theyve sent prior notes to the judge. One had four specific questions that made sense given the type of trial it was. One was that they would like to go home at 5 00 on friday. We dont know what type of note it is but will stay on top of it for you. However, russia is denying a new accusation its trying to hack the upcoming midterm elections. It in a report out this morning microsoft says it shut down six fake websites created by Russian Hackers designed to trick users into giving up personal and sensitive information. The attack mirrors the ones ahead of the 2017 election but this time hackers are targeting Conservatives Group which disagree with President Trump on russia and seeking sanctions or pushing for Human Rights Improvements in russia. The targets include the Hudson Institute, a washington
conservative think tank and the International Republican institute. Nonprofit prodemocracy group board includes senator john mccain pap short time ago testimony from state Department Officials at the Senate ForeignRelations Committee hearing punctuated where the attacks are coming from and who they support. The threat from russia evolved beyond being simply an external or military one. It includes influence operations, orchestrated by the kremlin in the very heart of the western world. As the recent facebook purging reveal the russian state promoted fringe voices on the political left and right including group whose advocate violence, storming of federal buildings and overthrow of the u. S. Government. Joining me now, the New York Times reporter who has been covering this story. Good to see you. Thank you for being with us. First, how did microsoft detect the hack and do you have confidence theyre good at this . These types of hiacks can be
easily be detected . Basically caught the fake websites as they were created and good at this thing. Doing it a few years. Know what to look for and used the legal system to their advantage to take them down as soon as being put up. They can say with a high degree what theyve found and why it needs to come down. Actually i read in your article microsoft, i dont know whether theyve been Given Authority by the Justice Department or what it is, but they have the ability to act ton this faster than traditionally they would have by Getting Court orders . Right. They have. Theyve gone through a special judge in virginia and ordered to do so. What happens here these websites are set up by ma slishs aliciou. Setting it up like a real one. Instead of Hudson Institute with a capital i, it will be the letter one and look identical toal averato al to the average citizen. We need these to go down soon as
they come up. One Person Triscked is one too many. And spearphishing, click, think youre going to the Hudson Institute or republican site or in the past the council on foreign relations, Eurasia Group and now are on their site and theyre asking to you submit information. Sort of how it works . Exactly. Spearphishing that looks innocent but that moolicious content or link, pdf file attached. Sometimes as simple as getting you to go a website, open up a report pup think theyre on their page, opening up an average report they would publish month by month and youre downloading malware. Might ask for a password or login and use it to go into your own account. They use these to their advantage and trick a lot of people. A tried and true method. Whats the news in here . Given theyre doing things like what was done in 2016 . Given it could be groups like
fancy bear behind it. The news here is that these are conservative groups that are typically not what we think were being hacked . The conservative groups who have broken with President Trump or not supporting President Trump and supportive of sanctions against russia . Yeah. Exactly. Were seeing shifting the tactics who they target. Really what this tells us about the people behind this, they think on their feet. Seen it with facebook, twitter. With the websites set up. They look and survey american society, say where are the weak points . Wheres our in. Who are the people and what are the institutions we need to t t target and go after them. In this case, think tanks, those that broke with trump and went after them aggressive there. Next hour Andrea Mitchell will interview brad smith, the chief principle officer of
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