Has Just Announced they will host a debate next february 4th in New Hampshire. And we are excited to partner with the union leader. Were going to air their debate live in primetime right here on msnbc. It will be the only democratic debate on the schedule between the Iowa Caucuses and New Hampshire primary. If this doesnt happen if this didnt happen, it would have been the first time in over a generation that there would have been no debate between democrats in an open president ial race between iowa and New Hampshire. And im especially excited to say that ill be comoderating this debate with my colleague, Rachel Maddow, who, by the way, has heard it straight from the two top candidates, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders themselves, in recent days that they are game for more debates. Do you wish there were more debates . Are you enjoying these debates when they do happen . I love the debates. I really do. Count me in as one person, you know, if secretary clinton and governor omalley want to do it, im there. I love debates. So there it is. They all want more debates. So were giving em one. Now lets turn to tonights take. Just as the east coast begins to thaw out, iowa is heating up with less than a week to go before the first contest of the 2016 season. And we start tonight with the democrats. In one short week, clinton and sanders have undergone a complete role reversal. Eight days ago, when the candidates shared a stage in South Carolina, that debate night was all about sanders. They were neck and neck in iowa polling, and clinton was the aggressor and the whole debate felt like it was about sanders. Last night, the three candidates appeared on the same stage, though at separate times, and this time sanders assumed the role of a challenger, falling slightly behind. Hillary clinton voted for the war in iraq. I led the effort against wall street deregulation, see where Hillary Clinton was on this issue. Why did it take Hillary Clinton such a long time before she came into opposition to the Keystone Pipeline . Secretary clinton was secretary of state of this country for four years. That is a lot of experience. Dick cheney, he had a lot of experience, too. That was something else. That was his response when asked to react to simply a clinton political ad. Sanders was noticeably on the defensive at times. Meanwhile, listen to how clinton responded to that muchtalked about sanders closing spot. I think thats fabulous. I loved it. You campaign in poetry, you govern in prose. And we need a lot more poetry in this campaign and in our country. So, i applaud that. She was referring, of course, to the america ad our mistake for not showing that a little bit. That was a far cry, though, from how she spoke to iowa crowds just two weeks ago, when she took a lot of chances to take jabs at sanders for what she called were unrealistic campaign promises. I wish that we could elect a democratic president who could wave a magic wand and say, we shall do this, and we shall do that. That aint the real world were living in. But you can tell, the clinton camp has pulled back on some attacks. They havent stopped hugging president obama, though. Thats something she kept his policies very close to her last night and she seemed to be happy to embrace the warmth of his strong praise. In fact, clinton looked like a candidate with a lead that she wants to keep. And today, sanders seemed to concede that maybe she has the edge in iowa. Shes done this once before, we didnt. He has a very Strong Organization and i applaud her for that. We stand a real chance to create a large voter turnout. I doubt that it will be as high as 2008. Wish it was. But i dont think it will be. The latest polls from fox news has clinton with a sixpoint lead among likely caucusgoers. The clinton camp clearly has pulled something back. Perhaps sensing that derision was not working in the final days before caucus night. But the development follows a larger trend within the party itself. I have tried, as i hope you all know, not to run a negative campaign. And by the way, with a few exceptions, were doing a lot better than the republicans in that regard. But on the other hand, thats not a very high bar to reach, so. Sanders is right. Its actually amazing that in a race this close, we havent seen any negative ads on the democratic side. In fact, its the biggest difference between the two campaigns, republican and democrat. The race right now is so negative on the republican side, on tv. On the democratic side, its really only negative in your email inbox. Yes, there are conference calls, there are occasional sharp words from a surrogate. But with as close of a race as it is, its certainly remarkable we arent seeing the air waves flo flooded. So instead the advertisements getting the most attention today are coming from a conservative super pac who tried to stick their hand into the democratic race. Now bernies doubling down with medicare for all. Which is basically singlepayer, governmentsponsored health care. No big insurance companies, just more government spending. Paid for by raising taxes on wall street, big business, and the super rich. Senator Bernie Sanders, too liberal for iowa. So the group founded by republican donor and former Td Ameritrade boss, joe rickets, put out what is seemingly, frankly, a hamhanded attempt, i think, to bait democrats to support sanders, with just a few days to go. Will voters take it . And i have to say, i think this was a clear example of republican ad makers mistaking the idea that somehow democrats respond to the word liberal base voters the same way Republican Base voters respond to the word conservative. Trust me, they just dont know. Anyway, well hear from the sanders sigh and former ohio state senator, nina turner, in a moment. But first i want to bring in brian fallon. Let me start with what is and i dont think its just my observation, but the observation of others. Have you guys changed your tone in dealing with Bernie Sanders over the last few days . I dont think so, chuck. I think what youve seen is over the last couple of weeks, as the polls tightened in iowa and in New Hampshire, there was a natural degree of scrutiny that was being applied to senator sanders about issues like his record on guns, and hes had to explain some of his previous positions. Thats normal for somebody who is a viable contender for the democratic nomination, to encounter that. He still hasnt seemed to get his sea legs in terms of how he answers those questions. Last night at the forum, hosted by cnn, he continued to try to excuse his vote in 2003 and 2005, for immunity for gunmakers, by suggesting he voted for it, for the sake of child safety locks. That provision, however, wasnt in the bill in 2003. It was a straight immunity provision then. But, by and large, as you just noted in your hope, we have kept this on the issues, with a few exceptions on the sanders side. We, for our part, have kept it on the issues, and thats a natural and healthy thing and a stark contrast to what youre seeing on the republican side. It just seemed like a different Hillary Clinton last night, that she didnt seem to be as focused about Bernie Sanders records as she was eight days ago. In these closing days, the final consideration that we think will be on the minds of iowans is who can get the job done, who can get results . Who can translate the progressive values that senator sanders and secretary clinton both share into the hard work of governance, going up against a republican part that wants to repeal some of the signature achievements of this president. And i think as you heard president obama say yesterday, Hillary Clinton is uniquely suited to translate those progressive values into results. Speaking of, we had as i noted there, there havent been many negative tv ads against either one of you, except by this republican super pac, that apparently yi dont know whethe you view it as an attack ad for Bernie Sanders or a promise until spot. How do you view the ad . Its a very transparent attempt to boost senator sanders. The Republican Party has decided the candidate they dont want to face in a general election is Hillary Clinton. So you think that ad peappea to liberals, to progressives . As you noted, i think its a very hamhanded attempt to pull a mccaskill campaignstyle trick. Crafty, but in this case, they didnt pull it off as well as senator mccaskill did last time. Some of the imagery of the socalled rich people in that add are cartoonish. But, yes, i do think its designed to help animate the supporters of senator sanders. But interestingly, in the last couple of days, as you just played, hes now down playing his expectations that he actually stoked over the last few weeks. It was his campaign that predicted victory in iowa, and not very long, it was his campaign adviser, tad devine, that suggested they needed to perform very well there. Now theyre lowballing the expected turnout. I think that suggests that Hillary Clinton has momentum in the last few days. Let me ask you this, Hillary Clinton will not be in iowa for much of wednesday and much of thursday. Off the trail in iowa to do some fundraising. In the last week, should that raise some alarm bells to supporters, that you guys have some money, youre worried about money in the last week before the caucuses . No, chuck, we have events in iowa every day this week. I understand that, but youre off in the morning, basically gone for about a 36hour period there to raise money. Shell be the fact is the fact is shell be campaigning in iowa every day. She has events every day. And therell be other events that and other meetings that shes taking outside the state. But there wont be a day that shes not in iowa. All right. Brian fallen, ill leave it there. I know we have logistical issues and then some to work out next week, but i hopefully look forward to seeing you next thursday. Well, they certainly picked an esteemed moderator for that potential New Hampshire debate. All right, mr. Fallen, thank you, sir. Okay. Yesterday, sanders won an endorsement from justin bamberg, who serves as South Carolina state representative. And heres why its notable. Bamberg withdrew his support from Hillary Clinton to get behind sanders. But before there was bamberg, there was nina turner. Shes the former ohio state senator who broke away from clinton in november to back sanders. The former ohio state senator and sanders supporter nina turner joins me now. Miss turner, welcome to meet the press daily. Thank you, chuck. Let me ask you this, why did you switch . Well, chuck, people want to make a big deal about a switch, but for me, similar to the representative, this is really about heart soul agreement. And senator sanders, once you get to know him and hear his message, he really speaks to the needs of the people in this country. The people i serve and continue to serve. When he talks about increasing the minimum wage to 15 an hour, that people should have a living wage and live a good life. When he talks about Racial Justice in this country, those are the things that the people that i serve want to hear about. They want to hear about family paid leave. And they dont want to talk about incremental progress, as i know that the Clinton Campaign wants to talk about. When you poor, you dont want to hear an elected official talk about incremental. You want to hear an elected official stand up and say that poor people and middle class people in this country, have every right to live a good life. And as the next president of the United States of america, youre going to do everything it takes to make sure they can have that good life. You know, some clinton supporters hear Something Like that, and theyre like, you know, that sounds like you dont think president obama did enough. Or if you dont believe in this idea of building a pond, where president obama did, you believe that maybe he wasnt as successful to your term. Thats what some clinton supporters have pushed back on this idea of the entire sanders revolution. What do you say that . First, i was a delegate for president obama in 08 and in 2012, somebody that stumped in ohio, especially in 2012, when republicans changed the voting rules. Theres nobody thats been a greater champion for the president of the United States than i have in the great state of iowa. But let me tell you this. S aspi. Theres no way we can go from yes, we can, no, we cant. And thats what the Clinton Campaign is promoting. This is not an indictment on the president of the United States of america. I regret that some folks are trying to drive a wedge between senator sanders vision and all that president obama has accomplished, but within the administration, the next person that is coming behind you should want to aspire to do something greater and take us further. And that is what senator sanders is trying to do. And chuck, we would not be the United States of america that we are today if people wanted to go incrementally. I wouldnt my people wouldnt be free today if folks wanted to go incrementally based on the status quo. Women would not have the right to vote today if we wanted to be incremental. I would not be on your program today. I would probably be somewhere cooking today, as a domestic, if people wanted to go incrementally. So i think what is in the heart and soul of americans is the whole notion that we aspire for greater things. That it is not a radical idea to want people to have universal health care or for folks to have their College Education paid for in this country, so they can live out their greatest greatness. So, chuck, this is not an indictment on president obama, but this is about a senator that has a vision that takes what the president has done to the next level. You know, on a Campaign Strategy front, the reason the Clinton Campaign feels so defendant in the long run is they believe that theyre going to win a lions share of the africanamerican vote. Obviously, for senator sanders to win this nomination, hes going to have to get better acquainted in africanamerican communities, all around this country, particularly those early Southern States that come in the primary calendar sooner. How does he do that . Obviously, you believe he. How does he do that. Doing what he does right now, with the africanamerican community, he has surrogates like myself, he is working to own the vote. Theres no doubt, hes a senator from vermont. He does not have the benefit of a national profile. There is no doubt about that. But i will tell you this about senator sanders, hes not going to take the black vote for granted. And i find it amazing that there is no other ethnic group folks are talking about that are already locked up. Folks need to earn the africanamerican vote, just like they would do with any other ethnic group. You have to earn our vote, you dont own our vote. Hes doing the things that are necessary to continue to earn that vote like anybody else that is running for office should have to. Nina turner, a surrogate for the Sanders Campaign, you bring a lot of passion. Thanks for coming on, appreciate it. Thank you, chuck. Later, were going to dig deep into the Sanders Campaign origin story. Find out which chapter of his past best predicts what a Bernie Sanders presidency would look like. Heres a hint, were going to his days when he was an executive. Its part of our special series, the making of a candidate. But first, a leap of faith. What Donald Trumps new evangelical endorsement means for the entire republican field. This is mtp daily. Well be right back. These are the hands that build the machines, the machines that sort, stack and seal. These are the hands that keep private information private. These are the hands of pitney bowes, the craftsmen of commerce. These are the hands that dig for opportunity, identify patterns, and uncover risk. 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