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MSNBCW NewsNation January 12, 2015

Demonstration in french history. Nbcs ron allen joins us live from paris. Ron, lets first talk about the sensitive sites the troops will be deployed to protect. What more do we know about these sites . Reporter most of the sites, tamron, are in the Jewish Community which feels under siege, not just because four citizens were killed in cold blood, even before this wave of attacks, there had been many anti anti antiis a met i can attacks. Many were leaving and going to israel because they felt under siege. The government promised they will send troops military Security Forces to protect synagogues, schools in that community now, and that was the promise made to them yesterday. Theyre also going to be deployed to other sensitive sites of paris and other parts of the country, tourist sites, metro, subway system transportation sites, government buildings, so on and so forth. All of this is a Big Development for france this is not the type of thing that happens all the time. It is something the french have to get used to as they figure out what happened here. We are still in the plaza where the huge march started. I want to show you people are still coming to pay respects to the victims, 17 french men killed here in recent days. Large crowds still gathering. The plaza was packed yesterday in such way you couldnt even move here. There were 3. 7 Million People mobilized across the country, not just here in paris but other cities across the country. Today things are getting back to normal. We dont see heavy police presence, it is here i imagine a lot of plain clothes officers are out and about. I have seen small patrols walk through the plaza and other parts of the city. This is something new they have to get used to as they try to figure out how to maintain security keep privacy. Another thing cherished, liberty and freedom which they felt was attacked. As they try to move forward in unified fashion with security but also trying to stop the problem, the threat of terrorism thats very much endemic in this society. Youre absolutely right. One of the questions when you look at 10,000 troops to be in the streets, various locations, as you outlined there, the question logically is but for how long. Will this be an indefinite situation . We know that for example the individuals responsible for the attack had been under surveillance, but due to personnel issues and other things that will likely come out in the investigation they were no longer under heavy surveillance. So how long does france then keep the 10,000 troops at these locations . Reporter you know, i think this is a permanent new normal change. Think of how america changed after 9 11. Things just change. I think theyre going to change here as well. Theres going to be more surveillance i would imagine, telephones tapped. There will be more surveillance of the internet because youre right, the people that carried out this attack were endemic, were citizens they lived here have been under surveillance. One case one of the brothers the kouachi brothers for as long as ten years. There are hundreds of people who are also under surveillance. You have to wonder whats going on with them who are not involved in this attack because the kouachi brothers for example, were thought to be such a priority such a lower priority that whatever kind of surveillance they were under was dropped in recent weeks or months. Were not sure of all of the details, but we know they were thought to be lesser priority. So what about the higher priority targets . A lot of concerns a lot being investigated, a lot of questions, because yes, in many ways it was a big intelligence failure on the part of government that i dont want to say allowed the attack to happen, but that these attacks happened. And thats something that theyre trying to get to the bottom of. Thank you so much. Secretary of state john kerry announced today he will visit paris thursday. The announcement comes amid criticism that the white house did not send a top ranking official to take part in yesterdays march in paris, attended by 40 World Leaders. Although attorney general eric holder was there for Counter Terrorism meetings, he didnt attend the march. In india where he was preparing for a visit later this month. He called such criticism, quote, quibbling. The relationship with france is not about one day or one particular moment it is an ongoing long time relationship that is deeply deeply based in the shared values and particularly the commitment that we share to freedom of expression. Nbc news senior White House Correspondent kris jansing joins us live. We know that yesterday the president announced i believe february 18th he is inviting allies for a Global Security summit at the white house. Nevertheless, the criticism obviously stinging a bit, and that it required a response from secretary kerry. Reporter yeah, a response from secretary kerry and the trip he is going to make thursday and friday to go to france now. The administration essentially says what we heard from senator kerry, which is that we have this great relationship from the very moment these horrible attacks took place. We offered our assistance, we have provided our assistance. We have had constant ongoing communication between the National Security team here and counterparts in france. Having said that this is obviously a highly symbolic moment, it was played on televisions across the world. It is this morning on the front pages of newspapers around the world that you have all of the World Leaders in the front row row and no one from the United States. The president was in Washington Joe Biden was in delaware at his home. There are legitimate security concerns. The secret service doesnt like to allow the president or Vice President in any open air situation unless theyre able to do a thorough security sweep, and those kinds of things can often be disruptive. And secretary kerry was himself traveling on important business. The question has been raised since eric holder was already there, make the rounds of morning shows, why he wasnt there as a recognizable face of this administration. The United States was represented by the u. S. Ambassador to france and the assistant secretary of state, victoria nuland. So thats the response from the white house. But weve got a briefing coming up it will be interesting to hear whats said there. Kris what can you tell about secretary kerrys unannounced visit to pakistan happening now . Reporter that was an unannounced visit. Something we learned about yesterday. When they go to high Priority Areas like that we actually it doesnt get reported until he lands. This has been a very intense period of diplomacy for him throughout that region and again, he will be going to france talking about the security concerns the same kind of security concerns throughout the region that will then be addressed in the summit that you mentioned thats going to be happening here next month. I should make one more point about that tamron. This was supposedmxe e kf top5ros seve4omonthsn5 ÷xnunfw q ku let me bring you into the point about the military perceived as aggression. Trying to vocalize. Sweeps in some communities and obviously these 10,000 troops will be heavily focused on some of the neighborhoods. I think it is difficult, and volatile situation now. I mean we have already seen what looks like retaliatory attacks against muslims in france after the hebdo attacks. When you have this kind of military presence i think it does, you know it is exactly right that it does send a message that we are escalating response on this. That escalation is going to embolden would be jihadists. With that said you also though as we reported the terror cell if it is fair to describe laid low for ten years, had been under surveillance at least one member for ten years. No matter how long troops stay at these positions, and if it is cut back to 5,000 or several hundred, there are people who are willing to wait them out and wait for the perfect opportunity. Yeah. It is really the situation we have going forward, we are likely to see more attacks. Al qaeda has spent the last decade trying to mobilize people to carry out individual attacks, and what we saw with the initial hebdo attack that was apparently and we are still getting information about this but it appears to have been directed by al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. It wasnt a self starter, wasnt somebody that decided to take action on their own, but it comes after weeks of self starters carrying out attacks in the name of the Islamic State in france and other countries, and what we are kind of seeing is that isis has become very very good at getting self starters to act in a way that previous extremist groups that tried this tactic arent. Michael, let me bring you back in. We have new video of Hayat Boumeddiene seen at the passport control desk in istanbul headed into syria, just when we were on air friday when the news was breaking and this was coming to conclusion, it was believed that this woman was inside the super market the kosher super market as it has now been revealed she left the country i believe on the 2nd of january, but this road through turkey that leads to syria has been something Richard Engel has reported on. What do you again see as the next step here . Relations with turkey in trying to stop this . I think youve hit the nail on the head when it comes to the macro issues. Turkey has been trying to join the European Union for decades, and got real negotiations started, that process will take over ten years to complete. If they succeed, we will have the same issues of the border. Simple to go from france and travel through main land europe into the borders of turkey. You then obviously have a more less porous border between European Union and turkey and very porous between turkey and syria. A couple of points. What is turkeys future role not just in terms of relationship with the European Union and the way they deal with immigration but in terms of the way it is dealing with isis in syria. And the second one is we have to come back to what is one of the primary root causes of this jihad issue that we have got, and one of them is complete lack of governance in syria and complete lack of appetite to tackle what i think is one of the main problems which is assad. Assad is galvanizing the whole militant organizations in syria and they can exist within syria because theres no governance. We are seeing the leader of isis doing that. And jay, before i let you go you studied al awlaki the gunman told the driver kouachi drivers told the brother when they hijacked the car that the attack was revenge for his death years later. Obviously. It seems to me just over the weekend watching the many experts come to the conclusion that whether it is al awlaki or whether it was Osama Bin Laden years ago, there will always be this individual held up but the bottom line it seems the future of the terrorists we see today are young men in many cases maybe some young women who become radicalized an act on their own in a sense rather than under the umbrella of an organization with a larger name. Well i think it is a twopart problem. You know the self starters people who are acting without having the formal affiliation are a growing issue, but at the same time if you look at what al qaeda and isis primarily do where most resources go where they cause the most mayhem it is in fighting insurgency. We are seeing separation of terrorism and insurgency in the portfolios of the groups. Clint watts at the Foreign Policy Research Institute put out a piece that hit the nail on the head in terms of how we think about this stuff. Theres attacks that are inspired by a terrorist group, attacks that are networked in the sense that people have connections to a terrorist network as the hebdo killers did, and those distinctions are important going forward. Thank you so much. Great pleasure having you both on today. Up next airasias black boxes found as investigators sfrp one of the devices for key clues. Divers working to bring the other to the surface. A live report next. 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A major break through in the investigation of the crash of airasia flight 8501. Indonesian navy divers recovered one of the black boktsz and row located the other. The data flight recorder was pulled from under the wing this morning and brought to the sea surface. The cockpit voice recorder found divers later but divers are struggling to get it loose from the wreckage. The black boxes are key to finding out why the jet went down killing all 162 on board. Kelly cobiella joins us. The last bit of wreckage where the divers are focused may allow divers to discovery mains of people still unaccounted for . Reporter thats right, tamron. They want to get the cockpit flight recorder to the surface and in the investigators hands to look at the data on that piece of equipment. Already they have the flight data recorder which is a key, key piece of an investigation, thats on the way to jakarta to be analyzed. What they also want to look at are sonar images from the bottom of the sea floor. They think they may have spotted the fuselage among some images but divers havent been able to go down and investigate them and thats the key, now that they found the two black boxes or at least think they found both of the black boxes, they want to focus in more on the fuselage, finding the fuselage, and potentially finding the remains of more than 100 passengers and crew who are still missing, tamron. And as far as the timing at least for this dive thats happening now, do we know any more regarding how long they will search for this day . Well tamron it is 11 00 at night, so another six or seven hours before divers get back into the water to look for the cockpit voice recorder again. What theyll do if theyre not able to move that large piece of wreckage and recover that black box, theyll try to lift it with flotation devices and get to it that way, get the wreckage out of the way. In terms of the fuselage and looking for other parts of the wreckage, theyre going to start on that tomorrow morning. Going to put 80 divers on that effort tomorrow tamron. They have a lot of pressure from families to find remains of people still missing. So thats the plan as of about six or seven hours from now. Thank you very much kelly. Appreciate the update there. Up next mitt romney reportedly tells reporters he is considering a run for 2016 after denying it for months. What it means and does it mean . Todays first read. And this. I am the two Fallen Police officers murdered in the line of duty. Selma has awakened my humanity. Golden globe winners common and john legend deliver an acceptance speech and kekd selma to the ongoing civil rights struggles. And other big topics in the news france and even bill cosby. Whats happening today, monday january 12th. American ebola survivor discussing his scheduled return to west africa this week. 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