World has erupted in outrage and rare concert against the groups brutality. With one breathtakingly vicious murder, the the New York Times reports, the Islamic State has united most of the region against it. But even in the face of widespread condemnation, news of brutality continues. The new video by isis urges attacks in france. They report some are speculating the fighter second from the right in that image could be a woman. Perhaps the widow of french terrorist coulibaly. Nbc news has not been able to confirm the fighters identity or if she is in fact a woman. In the meantime isis continues the bloody cam tan. Today a u. N. Watchdog says isis militants are selling abducted iraqi children at markets as sex slaves and crucifying them or burying them alive. It is a savagery president obama condemned during the National Prayer breakfast this morning. We see faith driving us to do right. But we also see faith being twisted. And distorted. Used as a wedge, or sometimes worse, used as a weapon. We see isis the brutal vicious death cult that in the name of religion carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism. Terrorizing religious minorities subjecting women rape and claiming religious authority as such actions. Joining me now is to founder for women for women international. And nbc news foreign correspondent. Aman, first to the idea that the New York Times is reporting on. The execution of the jordanian pilot may have actually sort of turned the general opinion in the middle east against isis or built a Stronger Coalition than even existed before. How accurate do you think that is . Its really hard to kind of measure from a factual point of voi. I can tell you for the the past several months and ive traveled across the region. Theres an open rejection of isis as an organization in the middle east. I dont think as a group isis had support or sympathy anywhere in the arab world. Now i think this is a Tipping Point for more action. Can this be a point where you have the the people in the middle east demanding that the governments not just carry out air strikes, but perhaps consider other options to really tackle the problems, whether sending in forces or doing more. Not just standing in the back and condemning it as purely rhetorical and on the airways. I know you came back from the region. Not from syria or iraq. Give us a sense of the mood on the ground as this continues. This is an outrage. Everyone is shocked and angry but im not sure if this is the Tipping Point from the discussion we need in islam. The response is to crucify and kill them. And your response youre speaking specifically of a prominent Sunni Institution in egypt that has suggested the proper retaliation is crucifix crucifixion. Right. The school office. And so now thises for me is problematic. We need what we need to do is have a discussion within the religion that yes, we need a forceful response to isis. Yes, with a military response. But the religion itself need to evolve in its discussion. To more about the goodness of the religion rather than killing and killing. And the headline that al azar is calling for crucifixion is deeply distressing. Absolutely. So what i see is that fear is triggering another fear. We need a wider door for discussing islam values. Who are we . What is the religion . This has not yet happened. We are dealing with military force with military force. I understand its not my forte and expertise. I think theres another way to go to involve the the religious discussion right now. T. To that end, i want to bring in the former executive director of the White House Office of faith based and neighborhood partnerships. Joshua, the president s words this morning, i think surprised a lot of people. This is not the first time hes talked about isis but in the context of faith. I thought it was really important and provocative set of comments he made. What did you make about the fact that he brought this up at the National Prayer breakfast . Which is seen as a largely christian gathering . A conservative audience. I thought it was a really important statement. You no e, the president did a great job, i think, of drawing a distinction between those who misuse religion in the name of evil, and the religion the faith itself. And he said listen all faiths have experience with those who twist and manipulate the words of the profit for their own evil ins. Whether in the crewusades or folks who participated in slavery or jim crow. Now we have isis doing the same thing. The president was basically saying, this is not islam. Isis represents american muslims, no more than the crusaders or slave holders represent christianity. Particularly because a lot of americans dont know their muslim neighbors, who havent spent a lot of time with the muslimamerican folks in the community. And the president , i think, wanted to make clear that what were seeing with isis does not at all reflect on muslims around the the world. And the its also worth noting that he said the bloodshed in the name of sort of religious extremism is not foreign to many other religions in the world and brought up the subject of the crusade. Something we were talking about before this segment began. And i agree with you. I think it was probably controversial. The idea that there would have been a bloodiness in the christian past that is in any way seen as kin to or parallel to the contemporary muslim world. He certainly made the point clearly at the Prayer Breakfast this morning. Saying lest we forget being on the high horse in this having this discussion also in the name of christianity these things have happened in the past. Theres also the evolution of liberalism within it. That hasnt happened yet in the muslim world. That has to do with societal problems. These are not free societies to engage in political debates, religious debates, Socio Economic debates. So theres a stagnation in this. And we have a chart of the trend towards extremism in the muslim world. Its increasing. So you talk about this intramuslim conversation needs to happen. And all signs are pointing to more extreme rhetoric. There you go. Where is that . Its on five different countries. I cant read them. Lebanon, egypt, jordan. Your eyes are better than mine. And you know thats again disconcerting as we look for the response. Absolutely. Absolutely. And part of what was happening is that the governments are competing for the religious conservatism. In other words, they have succeeded in tilting the religion towards more conservative and more fundamental religiouses. But the religion itself has become much more conservative than it was 30 years ago. So its creating an identity crisis. Thats a really important point. 30 years is not a long time. Not at all. In the name of the religion of islam. For it to have gone through such dramatic and rapid change considering how much centuries old this is. We have seen that before. Im not going do draw parallels between the right and the fundamentalists fundamentalists. But christianity was defined by a conservative fundamentalist group of leaders, tell advantagist lists, and now you have other voices emerging. Things are trending in a direction that is more thoughtful, more inclusive. Seeks to engage a broader range of issues. And so these ebbs and flows happen in waves. Unfortunately were seeing a conservative flow in the islamic tradition. It is important. The evangelical christianity and the extremism within that circle is in no way related to what is happening in the muslim world. And i would say, i mean i would actually ask you, setting isis aside. Isis is something else. Even in mainstream practice of islam, you have seen an extremism. Within the sort of center of the religion. Yes, a more conservative values. So the values i grew up with everyone grew up with 30 years ago, 40 years ago are no longer the same values of that happening now. And so the most common statement is what is the religion . The one i grew up with as a child or theyre telling me it is what it is right now. And these values are simple . I grew up in a religion that most women were not covering and right now most women are covering themselves ls. I grew up in a religion where most women are working in the the tvs and the movies. These are symbolic things. But the religion has indeed tilted towards more conservative values. The problem is well, youre a muslim woman. Youre not at all what the contemporary sort of global perception of a muslim woman looks like. But a lot of women very much like that. Im a normal muslim woman. Not an exception. The problem is we have to have more space for liberal values and discussion within islam to emerge. Right now the values cannot exist. These voices cannot exist in the middle east. They also got prosecuted. And we also are getting killed and lashed and all of these things by their own governments. Thats a problem. We need to open the ventilator for those providing an alternative and talking about the religion in new terminology. In terminologies of love and forgiveness and kindness. These people are not allowed to talk right now. Aman let me ask you practically in theerms of what is happening in the campaign against isis. If you look at the number of air strikes and who is leading them. In syria, 943 u. S. Led air strikes and 79 nonu. S. Led air strikes. 352 non u. S. Not exactly the same. But the overwhelm pg majoritying majority is conducted by u. S. Air forces. Do you think that ratio changes in the the next few months. Obviously you dont have a crystal ball. I dont. The simple reason is the United States is going to be picking up the bulk of the military operations. The bottom line is no coalition without the United States. Thats why the United States needed the coalition to have the, unni arab countries. I dont think certainly maybe not publicly. But militarily the numbers speak for themselves ls the lions share of air strikes and the big part of the operation, its certainly because of the United States and the technical and military capabilities. So i dont see that changing. We need to ask how long this will continue. If nst not achieving the stated objectives, right. And the pentagon said this is not going to be a military solution alone. How they are going to be implemented on the ground. Zblf let me ask you before we go. The president has criticism from folks in the right wing for not denouncing isis as a radical islamic terrorism. What did you think about his comments today as far as neutralizing that criticism . Well i think it was a full throated denouncement of isis. In some way he was defending all religion. He said religion is not what these peoples twist and skew and make it out to be. Whether its isis skewing the islamic tradition or folk who is have skewed christianity in the past. And so i think he was very vehement in pointing out how evil isis is. Making the distinct. Thank you. That was a very awesome and enlightening conversation in the face of a very, very dark chapter. Coming up, there is one thing jeb bush will not tolerate. He will ask you to step outside and fight if if we bring it up. Well tell you what it is after the break. Theres new clues as to why the plane went down in taiwan just after takeoff. And later, a pentagon study from 2008 just made public today suggests Vladimir Putin could have a form of autism. 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Something is holding them back. Not a lack of of ambition. Not a lack of hope. No because theyre lazy or see themselves as victims. Something else. Something as an artificial weight on their shoulders. If that terminology sounds familiar, its the exact inverse of mitt romneys infamous 47 comments in the last president ial election. He criticized the 47 of americans who, quote, believe they are victims. Just how much the 2016 frontrunners embrace their successors is an issue on the front and the left. They have tapped Current White HouseCommunications Director for a similar role in her president ial bid. She will join the Outgoing White House counselor and a slew of former obama digital staffers on clintons likely 2016 campaign. Joining me now is former governor of vermont and chair of the dnc, howard dean. Governor dean let me start with jeb bush owning. Very smart. I think its the right strategy. If the democrats owned obama, we may not have lost the senate. You cannot run from who you are. He is going to be a bush no matter what he says about it. The bush family has a motto. I think its a motto. Never complain. Never explain. I keep saying when are you going to get it . Stop running from who you are. Bill clinton always said people will vote for someone strong and wrong before they vote for somebody weak and right. We have to listen to that. Take your cues for the bush family. Obviously i dont want jeb. As much as i think hes a decent guy, i dont want him to be president. You have to be straight ahead and stand up for who you are or people wont respect you. I want to know what you thought of jebs rhetoric around policy is very different than mitt romney. That seems to be a conscious decision. At the same point, theres a point where there needs to be policy prescriptions. And the climate, it feels like if you listen to scott walker on this, its still very much in the far right end of the spectrum. He cant move them very much. Hes responding to it with aen interesting threepart strategy. This is a Campaign Strategy not a government strategy. So part one is hes super accessible to the media. Not since john mccain in 2000 maybe governor dean have we had a serious candidate for president be so available to so many people. Ive been watching hours of his you tube videos. That creates impression that hes relatable. Hes approachable. You can connect with him. Second, he is focusing on micro problems. He did that today. The people said the president cant do anything about taxing regulation. He is showing, im a problemsoever. Using the example of uber. Right. I get things done. Im not worried about these abstract things. And last hes totally differentiating himself from the poor and the middle class that hurt the republicans so much in 2012. Hes doing that on tone. Theres a limit to how far the party will let him go on substance substance. When you hear him outline that, theres a lot of concern and speculation about what Hillary Clintons message is going to be in 2016. The fact she brought in former obama staffers. Given the strengths they have managing a very different candidate and president. Well lets remember thermoformer clinton staffers before obama staffers. I see them coming home to the people who gave them their start, which is smart to do. John padesta is a real grownup. Hes the smartest in washington on how things need to work. Hes done it a lot. He has an incredible career. For him to be the chair of the campaign, im sure thats where shes coming over. He has an enormous amount of self restraint. And for sure i feel like hes more of a clinton person than an obama person. Right. Far greater than his time inside the obama white house. In terms of hillarys message, i would like to get both of your thoughts on this. Do you have a since of what that is . Yeah do you have a sense that she knows why shes running . I certainly do know that. I wouldnt leave it to her. I think se deserves that courtesy. And i assume her strategy is to wait until jal. And i think that makes a great deal of sense. What do you think about the obstacles that exist or maybe they dont, in advance of an outstanding seat. Well i understand why shes delaying it. She wants to remain a figure above politics as long as possible. But heres the problem if she delays. She has, as the governor was careful not to say, she has two messages. The message shes trying to broadcast and the one shes in danger of really broadcasting. She wants to broadcast i have a middle class agenda. I have your prek here. Im going to continue initiatives by the president about community college. The risk is the inner message, which is its my turn damn it. I want this job. Bill owes me. The party owes me. The nation owes me. Me me, me. I dont know david, me me me is harsh. I dont see hillary like that. But to your point about this feeling like a coronation and something shes due. That will be the media. The reason she is not in the race is she doesnt want to be. Let me let you finish. She needs to have her policy message out i would say sooner not later. She thinks shes staying above politics. Shes rat iing if its my turn story. And thats in the absence of saying what it is youre running for. I totally disagree. Why is that . There will be so much noise and fury. Can you imagine rand paul tweeting every day . I feel like theres some worrying and criticism on the left side of the spectrum too . Yeah but its not serious be to be honest with you. I know people are trying to recruit Elizabeth Warren. I also know the polling showed on the left Elizabeth Warren is a huge favorite. They really like Hillary Clinton too. They would be happy to vote for her if p hiz beth warren doesnt run. This is a unified party. I this think what hillary is doing is really smart. I know people would like to say this is a coronation. Shes being smart. I dont think jeb bush is a shoe in for the nomination at all. Hay may well be scott walker. I think hes been an awful governor. But hes a very good politician. If hes the righ