No youre not going to win elections that way. I feel really sorry for Rudy Giuliani. First, there was the Birther Movement and now there is the love for country phenomenon. Former new york city mayor who said he didnt believe president obama loved america, Rudy Giuliani is doubling down. Mr. Mayor, do you want to apologize for your comments . Not at all. I want to repeat. The reality is from all that i can see of this president , all that i have heard of him, he apologizes for america, he criticizes america. I dont hear from him what i heard from harry truman what i heard from bill clinton, what i heard from jimmy carter which is these wonderful words about what a great country we are. A lot of liberals dont believe in american exceptionalism but that doesnt mean they dont love america. I dont feel this love for america. Giuliani told the New York Times that some people told me they thought it was racisteistracist. I dont get it. This isnt racist. This is socialism or possibly anticolonialism. Rudy giuliani wasnt invited to the event where he started this firestorm. He was not scheduled to speak at the event or was invited to attend it. The mayor can speak for himself. Im not going to comment on what the president thinks or not. Did you agree with those comments comments . Were you offended by those comments . Im in new york. Im used to people saying things joining me now is the editor and chief of New York Times magazine and other guests. Robert gibbs, ill start with you. Josh ernest says he feels sorry for Rudy Giuliani. I dont feel sorry for any of them. If you watch that interview with megan kelly, the look on her face while shes interviewing Rudy Giuliani. Shes stunned. Shes stunned that hes not just there to repeat it but he expounds on it. I thought questioning the love of country was certainly part of it but really the second part of it i thought was the much darker part of it. This he wasnt raised like you and i were. It really does it is deeply offensive. I think it is deeply divisive. We wonder in this country why we dont come together to pass Common Sense Solutions to things. Maybe this is why. Rhetoric that doesnt allow people to sit at a table and come to an agreement on anything. This is a guy who started 2007 as what everyone assumed would be the republican candidate. Now hes really reduced to saying outlandish things just to get on tv. Yeah. I will say, joy, it is more Rudy Giuliani talk than we have had in recent memory. To Roberts Point about the divisive nature of these comments, jeff toobin has a piece in the new yorker. This isnt something we have talked about a lot, but the ship has not sailed on this argument which is with his cosmopolitan background, obama makes an easy target for the paranoid style. That line of thinking has found safe harbor in certain fringes of the conservative movement. Absolutely. Robert knows better than anyone early on in senator Barack Obamas campaign for president , part of the premise to stop him from getting into the white house was to plant him as an alienate him. He wasnt born here. It was always tied to his being black, to his being african, to his being anticolonialist. There were Founding Fathers that were anticolonialist. Made sense, but it was meant to get to that part in the limbic brain of certain people on the right who feel that barack obama just doesnt belong in the white house. He shouldnt be there. Just who he is is antithetical to what a president should look like feel like and sound like. We always go back to this moment in the 2008 campaign when john mccain was asked about whether barack obama was a patriot, whether he was an arab and john mccain said i believe this man is an american he is a good man. It was sort of like the mccain comment heard around the world. He was widely lauded for this. Why dont more republicans do that . You were talking about giuliani who has established he is in a category by himself. Yes. Then theres talking about other republicans, more mainstream republicans. To joys point, theres a temptation to use a certain line of thinking as a political strategy create distance between a candidate like obama and a voter. In giulianis case what he appears to be now is somebody who has a real penchant for par noipar paranoia. Is this just going to make him completely toxic as an endorser . Who was not invited to scott walkers 21 club . Sarah palin was getting these crowds hot and bothered. She was way more popular than mccain. Robert dont you think the Republican Party felt good in that moment when john mccain said that . Well in a town hall meeting when people are excited, it is a brave moment to disagree with somebody who is holding a microphone. It was a strong moment for john mccain, and it was an important moment for the country. I think what has to rile republicans more than anything really is this is a tried and true but very failed political tactic. We had a whole discussion in 2011 and 2012 about whether this president believed in american exceptionalism. Maybe that was a more intellectual argument than what giuliani was making. A political slogan only works is if the converse illuminates your candidate. If youre the Republican Party and youre looking to expand the electorate, if youre looking to appeal to people that may not look just like the republican nominee, which every party has to do to get 50 plus one vote in this country, this is decidedly not a good thing. Goodness knows if he didnt get invited and this is what he said, imagine if he had time to prepare a speech. I think there is kind of a deeper perhaps im waxing overly philosophical here but a deeper thing to get at which is how politicians conceive of patriotism. He gives giuliani credit in a very small respect, which is crude as he is giuliani is not wrong to sense a difference between obama and predecessors. His vision is less triumphant and informed by a civic humility. Obama is a black american and black americans have a complicated relationship with our country. What do you think of that . Absolutely. Im glad that point is being made. For africanamericans, the experience of being an american is hardly triumphant. The vast majority of black history is horrific. We have you think about Jeremiah Wright and him saying damn america for the sins, that since ofense of feeling that the country doesnt love us is part of the black experience. Martin luther king called america the greatest purveyor of violence in the history of the world. Embedded in africanamerican culture is this lack of triumph in america. I have never understood why people need to have a past given, a constant saying of its okay. Whatever horrors were done were still awesome. Or do you not want to reexamine those horrors. Obama believes in americas exceptionalism in terms of the constitution and the democracy we represent, but that is very different than clinton era patriotism and patriotism of the early 20th century. It merits further explanation and extrapolation. The word used was love, love of country. Right. To be able to love a country or anything in full awareness of the kinds of flaws, the kinds of history, the kind of darkness that i think is pretty clear that the president is aware of thats a special kind of love. A special kind of awareness and capability. It is a fuller love in many ways. Yes. Robert, the thing about this president , too, is he is an intellectual person. He is nuanced. He is embraceing of American History and he has a sense of the complicated history that american patriotism and love entails. I think theres no doubt about it. I agree with a lot of what was just said. But i just think it has to leave him and others just shaking their head that time after time you go back to this argument. You go back to this he wasnt raised like us he doesnt look like us. Just the real darkness that it pervades into all of our political discourse. Its just a real shame. This is what occupies time. If people want to have a debate about our strategy on isis on terrorism, thats perfectly well and good and those are debates we ought to have each and every day, but we ought to certainly do it in a tone and a discourse that allows that debate to somehow be productive. It is clear that the labeling of what mayor giuliani did in this case is so far from productive that it poisons the well that that civil discourse that makes our country so great is wounded in and of utitself. I will give props to marco rubio. I believe the president loves america. His ideas are bad. You can still debate the ideas, but the love is there. Jack silverstein, hang with me. 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That was Chris Christie proclaiming his liberation as a lame duck governor. Today the New York Times published an assessment. He does not return phone calls. He does not act for support. He arrives late for meetings and acts like he has all the time in the world. That in just hours ago the Washington Post reported that Nicholas Brady is throwing his support behind jeb bushs potential 2016 bid. This comes a day after billionaire new york jets owner Woody Johnson singled his own support for bush. Tim miller signaled that he too, will be joining the probush team as his likely communications director. Joining me now is a political reporter nick con. I think there are a sense of people who were with him and still are that he has much less time to get in. We have ten months until the first primary. It is only february. Oh, my god. Who is rushing . In fact, theres a finite number of talented staff and the really biggest donors and bundlers who have experienced raising 2 million, 5 million for a campaign. The Woody Johnson defection seems like a really big deal. Woody johnson is one of the three or four biggest gets in the new york city area, which is one of biggest areas in the country for raising money. He is one of the 16 biggest. Hes a really big whale. To land him is a really big deal on the jeb bush side. There are many who are yet to be untapped. I do not think jeb bush has a commanding presence. He hasnt locked up the whole world here. But theres momentum. Momentum feeds momentum, does it not . Christie has to start momentum if he wants to stay in the game. What part of christies record may be litigated if he decides to run . It may not be the bridgegate stuff. It could be his fiscal record in the state. Of the three biggest rating companies, they have down rated new jerseys Credit Rating eight times. It would be a big deal in iowa where there is a fiscal hawkishness. They dont like Credit Card Debt in iowa. People who are going to run against him have better records on the whole for job growth in their states and unemployment in their states. Scott walker has a great story to tell about the economy in his state over the last couple of years. Chris christie does not. It is important to talk about what is happening oppositen the left side of the aisle. At least 60 companies that lobbied the state department during health cares tenure donated millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation. This is the beginning of open season on all of that. To what degree do you think the clinton camp understands the potential hot water they are . They have reacted quickly. Theyll reconsider foreign contributions. They reversed the ban in the first place. This is an open wound. It is a legitimate question to ask about a candidate running for the countrys highest office. I wonder what you think happens Martin Omalley is seen as a likely challenger bernie sanders. If they run, im sure they will. Whats fascinating to me is if Hillary Clinton doesnt run for some reason, theres not a whole lot of other caliber tapped think about that. Thats a real problem for the democrats as a party. They have no solid plan b. Would they raise that potentially damaging information in the primary process . Republicans are going to definitely raise it. It is better to pull the band aid off now. It is going to come up. Elizabeth warren has hinted a bit at this. I am always concerned about wall streets influence in politics which i think was a pretty direct jab at the close ties between Clinton Foundation and financial institutions. Therefore it is an issue for the clinton campaign. Proto clinton campaign. Thanks for your time. The dow and s p surged to record highs today after greece and the euro zone reached a deal on greek debt. Well get a live report on cnbc coming up. 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If you were wondering what is likely to dominate your weekend conversations, oliver sacks emotional essay about cancer has struck a chord with times readers. Americans need to eat less meat. Is that akin to asking them to be less american . How many of this years best picture nominees did you see . American sniper may be the overwhelming favorite at the American Box Office but some say the race is between birdman and boyhood. Those two films have a shot at saving hollywoods soul. They are films that make hollywood feel better about the big Budget Box Office hits hit turns out. Gone with the wind, titanic, the graduate, god father, no father, father, no monsters or aliens. Joining me now, my guests. It is great to have you all here. Janet, what do you make of this idea that birdman and boyhood makes hollywood feel better about what they put out each year . I think it is kind of like the selfcongratulatory kind of industry. We want to present glamour and down to earth americana. I guess i wonder is it wrong for us to shun the commercial movies. Theres an artistic argument to be made but theres the philosophical argument about whether these huge movies american sniper has made 309 million at the box office. It is a huge movie. Should it be considered more seriously . There was a point at which this is what bill maher was trying to say. There was a point where these things diverged for american cinema. At a certain point, we said were going to make money over here and were going to put artistic expression over here. Thats not what the industry was for. Im not really about this, although it is filling my bank account. The other thing remarkable about birdman and boyhood, is it has been a lon