Thinks the media is cherrypicking these images and the president s aides are actually bringing him pictures showing these detained children smiling and plays games. More on that in a bit. The president has falsely blamed democrats for the situation on the border. He did so again today. I say its very strongly the democrats fault. Theyre obstruction. Theyre obstructionist, and they are obstructing. The United States will not be a migrant camp, and it will not be a refugeeholding facility. It wont be. You look at whats happening in europe. You look at whats happening in other places. We cant allow that to happen to the United States, not on my watch. Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen has been the point person to enforce the latest policy, and she has insisted the white house is enforcing the law, a point she made repeatedly in the white
i am considering exactly that. If you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you, and that child may be separated from you as required by law. What do you say to people who worry about the impact of separating parents and children . Dont break the law. I mean, thats why theyre separated because theyre breaking the law. The criticism and scorn are now withering. And about those first ladies, its laura bushs Opinion Piece in the Washington Post thats getting the most attention. I live in a border state. I appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries, but this zerotolerance policy is cruel. It is immoral, and it breaks my heart. These images are eerily reminiscent of the japaneseamerican internment camps of world war ii, now considered to have been one of the most shameful episodes in u. S. History. Members of congress from both sides have also weighed in. They havent acted, mind you. But tonight senator lisa murkowski, a republican from alaska, issued a statement
saying in part, the time is now for the white house to end the cruel, tragic separations of families. They are not consistent with our values. To blame previous administrations for a wrong committed today is not acceptable. Reminder, shes a republican. Other members of the senate agreed with that sentiment. The president has the ability to stop this if hed like. I understand that he wants to get a comprehensive fix of immigration. So do i. All of us who are seeing these images of children being pulled away from moms and dads in tears, were horrified. This has to stop. Kids need their moms and dads, and we can keep the Families Together while these cases are pending. Its not necessary. The law does not require it, and certainly ethics and morals dont require it. This is not reflective of who we are as a country. Meanwhile, a new report in politico indicates the president may be thinking of getting even
tougher on immigration. Top aides to President Donald Trump are planning additional crackdowns on immigration before the november midterms. The goal for Senior Policy Adviser Stephen Miller and his team is to arm trump with enough data and statistics by Early September to show voters that he fulfilled his immigration promises even without a physical border wall or any other congressional measure said one republican close to the white house. Well, after the day weve had, lets bring in our leadoff panel on a monday night. Msnbc correspondent Mariana Atencio in mcallen, texas, for us tonight. In brownsville, texas, manny fernandez, Houston Bureau chief for the New York Times. And here with us in new york, eli stokols, White House Reporter for the l. A. Times. Understanding we have a bit of a Satellite Delay down to texas tonight, mariana, tell us how you spent your day there and the kinds of stories youre hearing. Brian, i was at a shelter run by Catholic Charities a couple of blocks from the Ursula Processing Center behind me, where i just want to emphasize over 1,100 children are spending the night alone, away from their parents. These are the childrens parents who were prosecuted for crossing the border illegally. But at this shelter, where ive actually spent four days now, you see people who cross the border illegally with their children, were processed by i. C. E. , and actually released with Ankle Monitors because nbc has learned that the zerotolerance policy isnt even at 100 capacity yet. Dhs told our Jacob Soboroff that theyre at 60 capacity. So there are still families that call themselves the, quote, lucky ones because they crossed the border illegally. Theyre not prosecuted, and theyre released by immigration officials. But i saw a disturbing new trend that didnt happen during the obama administration, and that
is mothers separated from their children by agents at the border, even when theyre not being prosecuted. I spoke to three mothers today who told me the same thing. Separated from their children, younger than 18 years old, something that is new to this administration that were trying to understand why its happening. And when you hear, brian, the stories of these children, because we are able to speak to them, who were separated from their parents at facilities like the one that you see behind me, you start to get a sense of the Emotional Trauma these kids are going through. A little boy today, 10 years old, his name was robert. His mom, christina, brought him from el salvador because gangs had tried to recruit him, threatening him with killing his mom and sister if he didnt join. He told me that he cried himself to sleep every night. He told me that he slept on the floor with a blanket made of tin foil, that he would ask immigration officials, you know,
where is my mom . And they wouldnt even tell him where she was or when he could speak to her. So, again, it was a horrific day because it just gives you a glimpse of what these families and especially the children are going through. Manny, youve covered a lot of stories in your time from the bronx to brownsville, texas. You were on that tour of the converted walmart. Be our eyes and ears because we couldnt get there, and far from the president s accusation that were cherrypicking these stories, were getting only the pictures and stories the government allows us to get. We cant walk freely with cameras. What did you see in the converted walmart that we all need to know about . Well, theres a couple things, brian. I mean, first, its sort of its sort of like touring a troubled school. You know, the problems are not written on the walls. You know, overall that walmart, that former walmart building, was clean. The kids were being well fed. You could tell that they had fresh clothes. They had showered. They were getting haircuts. But, you know, there was 1,500 kids in that one facility. Five beds in one room. And that had been a rapid expansion from the last couple weeks. And so the size of it, the rapid expansion of it, and then, you know, in hindsight, theres a couple things that, you know, were sort of learning after the media tour, the stuff that they didnt tell us. One of those just one example of that is that facility failed two Fire Inspections in april and may. It passed the most recent one, but it failed two of them, and that obviously did not come up in the tour. Eli stokols, lets switch to politics because its a necessary part of that. Talk about the strategy today. The briefing was delayed by almost four hours. They finally then put out the secretary of Homeland Security. Who had to fly back from new orleans to do this. Thats right. The president talked about this. Talk about their ownership of it, in some cases doubling down. It was a doubledown from the president earlier in the day and from Secretary Nielsen after 5 00 p. M. In the Briefing Room after reporters had waited a long time as the administration behind the scenes was trying to figure out what that briefing was going to look like, what the messaging was going to be and who would do it. I understand that Secretary Nielsen was advised not to do it by some people close to her, including Chief Of Staff kelly. But ultimately went out there and became, for better or worse, the face of this policy that is essentially at its heart Stephen Millers immigration policy. The zerotolerance thing. I mean, as they continue to blame the democrats and say, congress, if you want to change this, change the law. Thats fair. You can change this law. It has been on the books since the bush administration. But the bush administration, the obama administration, and the Trump Administration up until two months ago were not enforcing this law in the way
they have been for the last two months, where now were seeing the actual separation of families. And you played all the clips of all the people. Miller, Chief Of Staff kelly, talking about this is a deterrent. And youve got the president out here disingenuously blaming democrats. I think the president , people around him always tell me, look, the Immigration Issue is a winner for us. It always has been. Democrats look soft on immigration. This is a button were going to continue to press up until the election. Hell probably always continue to press, but i think hes so insulated from the reality. You talked about cherrypicking. He thinks the media is cherrypicking these images. His staff, theyre cherrypicking the images they show to him because they have to continue to allow him to keep that magical thinking going. Theres just not a realization that this is different. Yes, the immigration hasnt worked and theyve demagogued it in the past. But these images, the audio, these are children and it is playing in a very different way to the voters that they think have always sided with them on this issue. I dont know if thats the case
at this point. Mariana, lets take a whack at kristen welkers question that went unanswered. Where are the infants and toddlers . We know theyre out there somewhere. Where are the young women and girls . Weve seen no pictures of them. Brian, we heard this horrific audio today from propublica that 4 to 10. And one of the most disturbing pieces of that audio was the 6yearold girl from el salvador saying, please at least get me to my aunt, you know. Get me out of here. And then just seeing these agents in there being so dismissive at these childrens cries, saying, you know, we have an orchestra here all were missing is a conductor. Those were children ages 4 to 10. Its the very first time were hearing from them. So you can just imagine these toddlers, children much younger and how they must be feeling and coping with. And then when you also think about the logistical nightmare that this has become for this administration, the very few caregivers that are inside facilities like the one behind me, actually caring for these children properly. And, manny, we heard that ratio was four social workers for about 1,000 kids. We also heard that any tactile contact is kind of being discouraged, that a lot of these kids just havent had any human touch. Yes, thats true. And, you know, going back to what you said before about the question about the girls, i talked to a number of democratic members of congress who toured a Brownsville Shelter that had about 80 children in it today. Most of those children were young teenage girls, and there was also toddlers and infants
there. And these members of congress are very emotional, very upset about it. They talked about seeing one boy that they called baby roger, who is about 8 or 9 months old, who was a product of this Trump Administrations family separation policy. They talked about another girl named baby leah, who is about 12 months old. And Congressman Lujan from new mexico got very emotional talking about it. He said he had to leave the room during the tour because it made him so upset to see this little girl and this little boy. Eli, ive got 30 seconds left. Again, cold hard facts. This is polling twothirds against the president now. Does he continue to ride his onethird on such a deeply unpopular thing . He might. He is that, you know, indebted to his base, and that is his concern first and foremost. Its not trying to be a president for the entire country. Its trying to make sure that base doesnt leave him. Thats where his power is. Thats what has kept republicans in place. I think what youve seen from ted cruz, from other republicans who are not normally critics of this president , to go out and say this has to end and its not acceptable to blame democrats. This is something the administration can end. That is different, and it is reflective of those poll numbers and the fact that this is not seen in a positive light by most americans. This is horrifying to most americans based on polling and just based on your Gut Instincts as a Human Listening to that audio, watching those images and knowing how most people will react. We are deeply indebted to our leadoff guests, especially those of you after a long day covering this story out in texas. Mariana, manny, eli, my thanks to all three of you. Coming up, one of President Trumps republican opponents in 2016 is these days an outspoken critic of the president s policy to separate these families. Hes with us next. And later, while it didnt get much coverage today, the
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agents, trained in america, paid by american taxpayers, following orders from an administration that ran on this policy and was elected by americans. So this is who we are now. Im sure that we would very much like to be a Beacon Of Hope to the world, but that brought us too many strangers banging on the door. So it appears we will snuff out that light at least for now and change the locks. As a democracy, we have the power to reconsider, but in the meantime, we are the country you see. And according to the attorney general, its exactly how the bible wants it. We talked about all of it tonight with ohios governor, john kasich, the republican, the rumored 2020 president ial candidate, who visited us here in new york. I suppose youre up on what weve seen transpire all weekend and today. And i want to start with a very basic question. What is happening . What is it you think were witnessing right now . Brian, you and i are, you know, kind of contemporaries. Weve never seen anything quite like this. You know, the Heart Of America has always been about caring. You know, and here we are in new york, and right out here is the grand old lady welcoming people. I was on ellis island, i guess about a year ago, and my own family, my grandparents came over, and they were welcomed. And then when you look at the border and you see Young Children being taken from their mothers and fathers, you know, as a young kid, could you imagine if you were yanked away from the people that were raising you . No. And i hope theres just and this problem has existed for a while, but this solution is insane, its ridiculous. You cant start dividing families. And, brian, the thing that is so interesting not so interesting but good and
heartening now is the outpouring of support from both parties. You know, laura bush wrote a piece in the Washington Post. I think finally youre beginning to see some congressmen raise cane about this, and then hopefully they i dont know if theyll get this Immigration Bill through, but youd like to see the administration say, the solution to this problem at the border is not to separate families and to create conditions that are intolerable. This is not the america that you and i are known throughout our lifetime here. A lot of people feel that this one, this crisis will leave a mark. This feels different from anything before it during the trump years, and like it or not, this president has an r after his name, which for a long time has been your political party. Brian, there have been a lot of things that have happened since this administration has taken office that i thought would never be accepted. I dont know how this is going to go down with the base. And heres the problem. I think base politics now in our country is different than ive ever seen it. I mean, i was in congress for 18 years. We never decided, i cant remember when we ever decided, okay, we cant do this or we can do this because of the upcoming election. If there was anything that was incumbent on us, it was to do something good. And i just hope that the base will look at the facts and take off partisan glasses. But i have to also tell you, you know, i said earlier today on one of the shows here on the channel, i remember when we went through the government shutdown, and i felt as though the democrats had walks away from daca. Were not seeing the kind of courage that were so used to seeing, the kind of courage embodied by somebody like john mccain or bob dole or people that said America Counts and our
soul matters and our hearts matter. Its just im not familiar with this. So where did the burn down the House Movement start . If you and i went to eldora speedway, one of the great dirt tracks in america this coming weekend and walked around in the stands and talked to people, im guessing wed find a good number of the id rather burn down the house than continue our current path. Where did that come from . You know, im not sure. I mean was it vietnam . Was it ruby ridge . Was it the impeachment, you know, leaving the office, impeachment, and removal of nixon . Was it as i saw that great movie the post this weekend, was it the Pentagon Papers . I think its been happening over a period of time. And then i think people have there was an unbelievable story. Im so glad were doing this interview in this kind of a way where i dont have to do some sound bite. I read a story today on the cbs
website saying how americans have lost so much faith in all the institutions that you and i grew up admiring and respecting. I mean, if we lose confidence in our institutions, where are we supposed to go . Look at the fbi. Well, that was one of them, that, you know, people have lost confidence in that, in the court, in the congress, in the news media. This is a bigger this is a bigger problem for our country, brian, than any single event. People losing faith in whats the truth, you know. And what is the answer for this . I think the answer is courage. I do. I think the answer is for you and i and our people that watch, people that, you know, turn off the lights at night. You dont have to be a big shot. Begin to say that, i need to be kinder. I need to understand, and i need to love my neighbor as i love myself. I think there has to be, you know, a reckoning that were all
in this together, and somehow its just divided. And like you say at that dirt track, people would be yelling and screaming at one another there. Thats not how weve got to get back on track. Do i think we can . I do, but i have to tell you i think faith is a big quotient in this. The fact that the lord has placed and, look, if you dont happen to believe in that, if youre a humanist, thats great. You want to make the country better. But for those of faith, i think the lord has written the roadmap on our hearts about the way were supposed to treat one another. And thats why when i look down at the border, and i feel as though that in some peoples eyes, these people are objects. Theyre not people. Well, they are people. Theyre flesh, and theyre blood, and they bleed, and they cry. We have to care about them. How we ultimately solve this, because its something that needs to be addressed. It doesnt take away from the fact that the Human Element is
whats most important here. We have an expectation to do something thats bold and has courage and is big and is righteous. I dont see it happening right now. Hopefully it will move. Is that all thats a lot there. Yes, and it all makes sense. And i am dutybound to ask you if youre going to get in the game and run for this i am in the game. Im here on your show. Well, we have a lot of people on our show. Very few of them have run for president. Yeah. I dont know, brian. I i want to keep my voice out there. All my options are on the table. I dont know what im going to do. Well see. And im not trying to duck it. I know. I just dont know what the future brings because every five minutes look, you have to do live television. Nobody will do tapes anymore because five minutes from now, whatever you said is outdated. Thats true. Its just remarkable. So i dont know. But i want to stay involved and be out there, and ill figure out a way to do it, i hope. Coming up, were going to take a break here. But in way fewer than five minutes, were going to come back and tell you why governor kasich says he hopes nothing is found in the Mueller Investigation. That when we come back. Metastatic Breast Cancer is relentless, but im relentless too. Mbc doesnt take a day off, and neither will i. And i treat my mbc with new Everyday Verzenio the only one of its kind that can be taken every day. In fact, verzenio is a cdk4 6 inhibitor for postmenopausal women with hr , her2 mbc, approved, with hormonal therapy, as an everyday treatment for a relentless disease. Verzenio an ai is proven to help women have significantly more time without disease progression, and more than half of women saw their tumors shrink vs an ai. Diarrhea is common, may be severe, and may cause dehydration or infection. Before taking verzenio, tell your doctor if you have fever, chills, or other signs of infection. Verzenio may cause low white blood cell counts, which may cause serious infection that can lead to death. Serious Liver Problems can occur. Symptoms may include tiredness, loss of appetite, stomach pain, and bleeding or bruising more easily than normal. Blood clots that can lead to death have also occurred. Talk to your doctor right away if you notice pain or swelling in your arms or legs, shortness of breath, chest pain or rapid breathing or heart rate. Tell your doctor if you are pregnant, breastfeeding, or plan to become pregnant. Common side effects include nausea, infections, low red and white blood cells and platelets, decreased appetite, headache, abdominal pain, tiredness, vomiting, and Hair Thinning or loss. Im relentless. And my doctor and i choose to treat my mbc with verzenio. Be relentless. Ask your doctor about Everyday Verzenio. It was always our singular focus, a distinct determination. To do whatever it takes, use every possible resource. To fight cancer. And never lose sight of the patients were fighting for. Our Cancer Treatment specialists share the same vision. Experts from all over the world, working closely together to deliver truly personalized cancer care. Specialists focused on treating cancer. Using advanced technologies. And more precise treatments than before. Working as hard as we can doing all that we can for everyone who walks through our doors. This is Cancer Treatment centers of america. And these are the specialists were proud to call our own. Treating cancer isnt one thing we do. Its the only thing we do. Expert medicine works here. Learn more at cancercenter. Com Cancer Treatment centers of america. Appointments available now. And i am a senior Public Safety My Namspecialist for pg e. My job is to help educate our First Responders on how to deal with natural gas and electric emergencies. Everyday when we go to work we want everyone to work safely and come home safely. I live right here in auburn, i absolutely love this community. Once i moved here i didnt want to live anywhere else. I love that people in this community are willing to come together to make a difference for other peoples lives. Together, were building a better california. John kasich was our first
ever guest on our first ever night of this broadcast, and were back with a bit more of our conversation from tonight with the ohio governor. Among other things, john kasich told me he hopes mueller comes up with nothing on President Trump. How do we get through this . The president s Campaign Chairman is in jail. You and i get to go home at the end of our shift tonight. The president s Campaign Chairman is in jail. How and when does this end . Well, i dont know. Weve got to get to the bottom of the whole investigation with mueller and see where that comes out. It cant be hurried. They have to take their time. I hope there will be a resolution of it, and i hope that theres nothing found to be honest with you. I dont want to see the president in trouble. You know, we saw what happened with nixon. We saw what happened with the impeachment of bill clinton. Its not good for the country. But i also want to say, brian, that we need to just stop looking at the prism of politics. You know, when we think about the wells fargos that took advantage of their customers,
when we think about the pedophiles that went on in the clergy, when we think about these things, a lot of america has become infected. Does that mean were doomed . No, because the other side, the light will always outshine the darkness. And, you know, i know you, i think, at one time you were a divinity student. I think you were a jesuit or Something Like that. No. Then i got the wrong williams. Thats okay. Theres a lot of us. The fact is that i remain hopeful that people will find their way. And im not certain to count on the big shots or all the politicians. Im hopeful and counting on the public with leaders beginning to rise. And when you think about these guys in d. C. , the Carlos Cabelas and the will hurds, will on the hill i see thats what his moniker is theyre beginning to step up. I wondered when it was going to happen. Very few of them out there, though. I know. Brian, it always starts with a few. Those who are determined. Martin luther king didnt
automatically have huge crowds. It came after a while. You made a lot of friends last time out, and you gained a lot of admirers when you ran. As you said, People Who Hadnt Heard of or followed john kasich. You would hope to fire up that base if you get back into it. You know, i dont know. I dont know whats going to happen. Im not going to get into some you really dont know . You know what . Look at me. I really dont. I dont know whats going to happen. But all my options are there. Im not closing anything down, and well see. Well just see. These are times that are so turbulent and uncertain, you just be prepared. Its sort of like in basketball. You used to play basketball. I played basketball. You just want to be around the rim because sometimes the ball will bounce off, and you better be there to grab it. John kasich, thank you very much. Youre a good man. Thank you, sir. Thank you. The state of ohio has
supplied eight u. S. President s. Our conversation tonight with the Current Governor john kasich. Coming up, President Trump claims that the new Justice Department report from its Inspector General exonerates him on the question of russian collusion. Well, today the Inspector General was asked if he agrees. His answer when we come back. Handling of the Hillary Clinton email probe. President trump has touted the reports findings as proof the Justice Department was out to get him and declared that it cleared his name. But the Inspector General disputed those claims today. There is nothing in the report that says it exonerates the president from any question of collusion with the russians. It says nothing one way or the other, is that correct . We did not look into collusion questions. With us tonight to talk about it, cynthia alksne, a former prosecutor and veteran of the Civil Rights Division at the Justice Department. Cynthia, welcome back to the broadcast. Im about to ask you about the Inspector General. Is the only reason were talking about this the fact that the president erroneously came out and said that the document cleared him . Probably. You know, he likes to lie about things, so thats not surprising that hes chosen this. But the Inspector Generals report did not go into either the collusion or even the
obstruction investigation. Thats bob muellers job, and he will tell us when hes ready what the answer to those questions are. Maggie haberman of the New York Times made a point over the weekend that President Trump has really devoted social media, his twitter feed, to his own selfdefense. Every day a fusillade including but not limited to charges of a witch hunt. With your knowledge of the Mueller Operation and the mueller mindset, how do you think that has gone over . I think they ignore it. I really do. I think bob mueller would view that as unimportant and not something he needs to follow. The president can tweet all i wants, and bob mueller is not the least bit interested in his tweets. I want to read you reporting of our own ken dilanian about this meeting with roger stone and mr. Caputo. Roger stone and Michael Caputo say they forgot to tell investigators about their contact with a Russian National who goes by the name Henry Greenberg even though they say this greenberg fellow offered to sell incriminating information to the Trump Campaign for 2 million. Well, first of all, how often in life are you just offered 2 million for campaign dirt, so i can see them forgetting. How is mueller likely to approach that story . Why didnt you tell us the first time . Hes likely to approach it as a lie. Thats basically what it is. I mean, this guy came to them. He was a russian. And caputo knew he was a russian. He set up the meeting with roger stone. Roger stone met him. He had a heavy russian accent. He was roger stone remembered his accent. He remembered his hat. He remembered his tshirt. He remembered he offered him 2 million in return for dirt. And then they had Text Messages exchanged. And then he forgot it all. Now what are the chances of that . And suddenly when bob muellers
office could produce the text to caputo when he was being interviewed, they remembered. It was just a miracle. It just came back up. It was just shocking. So now theyre amending their testimony to try to get away from not being charged with perjury. Cynthia, every time you come on, i like to ask you how many weeks the Mueller Investigation is running ahead of the news coverage, and what inning do you think the investigations in right now . Well, i think that bob mueller takes very seriously, and especially now after the report from the investigators the Inspector General, i apologize about the effect of the comey investigation on the 2016 election, going to be very conservative. And my guess would be if he cannot get this investigation wrapped up by September 1st at the latest, even more likely
maybe august 1st, they will just be in Shutdown Mode and not do any report because they dont want to affect the 2018 elections. And theyll be very conservative about it. The department of justice rules are very solid that you are not to interfere with an election. He will take that very seriously, more seriously now because of what happened with comey. Because at the end of the day hes a by the book guy. Cynthia alksne, thank you for coming back on our broadcast. Always appreciate having you. Coming up for us, well take you to the front of a new war the u. S. Is fighting right this very minute. Ime to get outside. Pack in even more adventure with audible. With the Largest Selection of audiobooks. Audible lets you follow plot twists off the beaten track. Or discover magic when you hit the open road. With the free audible app, your stories go wherever you do. And for just 14. 95 a month you get a credit, good for any audiobook. If you dont like it exchange it any time. No questions asked. You can also roll your credits to the next month if you dont use them. So take audible with you this summer. On the road. On the trail. Or to the beach. Start a 30day trial and your first audiobook is free. Cancel anytime, and your books are yours to keep forever. No matter where you go this summer make it better with audible. Text summer17 to 500500 to start listening today. And we want to operate a sustainable facility. And pg e has been a partner helping us to achieve that. Weve helped the Marine Mammal center go solar, install electric vehicle charging stations, and become more energy efficient. Pg e has allowed us to be the most Sustainable Organization we can be. Any time you help a customer, its a really good feeling. Its especially so when its a customer thats doing such good and important work for the environment. Together, were building a better california. I believe that President Putin has clearly come to the conclusion theres little price to pay here. Bingo. And that therefore i can continue this activity. Yes. Everything both as a director of nsa and what i see on the Cyber Command side leads me to believe that if we dont change the dynamic here, this is continue and 2016 wont be viewed as something isolated. This is something that will be sustained over time. That was the intelligence veteran, former head of the nasa
mike rogers warning back in february not enough was being done to deter electronic attacks by russia or by anyone else for that matter. David sanger is with us in our studio tonight. He is National Security correspondent for the times. In his spare time, he shared if three Plitse Erpulitzers at the. The perfect weapon war, sabotage, and fear in the cyber age. Its in actually bookstores tomorrow. It goes on sale on the web if were still at this in a couple of minutes it will open up. Welcome to you. Great to be back with you, brian. Im opening the page. I dog eared and one particular sentence. While the americans dithered, the russians feasted. You were talking about the dnc hack but it seems to me thats the Thesis Statement for the whole book. I have a dual question. How would we react to being under attack were this in normal times . How would it feel like in
america . And number two, how have we raised our game since you started reporting for this . We have raised our game. The problem is the attacks and attack space because we have connected everything to the internet has increased faster than we have been able to raise the game. This is a book about how countries have come to the conclusion that cyber is the main way to undercut their adversaries. Its stealthy, hard to figure out where it came from. Can be highly targeted. Unlike a Nuclear Weapon in that regard and the best part of all, they can dial it up and dial it down so that the United States will not come back and whack a country that attacks us. And if theres a lesson of the past five or six years, you have heard Admiral Rogers say that on there, they figured out theres no price to pay an thats because the succession of president s, republicans and
democrats, have not figured out how to make anyone pay a price. You and i have been around the very impressive graduates of the Service Academies all our lives and create leaders and war fighters. Are places like west point creating Cyber Warriors like we need . One of the most interesting and impressive things i have seen is every Service Academy i have been to, west point, the air force, annapolis, theyre all building cyber centers, theyre all training their people. Its not a problem of training. Its a problem of strategy. We dont have one. If you sit people down and figure out what our Nuclear Strategy and Nuclear Deterrent strategy is, people play it out. Wasnt easy to come to it. We spent 1950s trying to figure it out. We stepped all over ourselves in cyber. For a couple of reasons. First, theres so much secrecy, around cyber weapons. What weve got, what the capabilities are. That no one will discuss it. If we dont discuss it and debate it, you cant figure out what your strategy is. The second problem that weve got, the cyber weapons, themselves, we are scared to use because of the fear that Vladimir Putin will come back and escalate. So theres scenes in this book from the russia hack before the dnc. When the russians came into the state department, the white house, to the joints Chief Of Staff. President obama did not publicly name the russians. And did not do anything back to them. So why would Vladimir Putin come to any other conclusion, brian, other than the dnc, who cares about the dnc . Its run by a bunch of college kids. The very same Vladimir Putin who may get his wish for a summit with President Trump. Here is the cover of the book. You can come to your own conclusions at the very end of it. It is a wild ride through the middle including that sentence that turns out to be the Thesis Statement in the middle. David sanger, a lot of luck to
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force. Call it the space force and i was not really serious and then i said what a great idea. Maybe well have to do that. That could happen. The last thing before we go here tonight, the president today attended a meeting of the National Space council. Among its members are veteran astronauts, Eileen Collins and jack schmidt and buzz aldrin. During the president s remarks, he suddenly awarded himself credit with Revitingizing Space Travel before going on to suggest an enormous change over at the pentagon. Its patriots like you that are the reason why america was first in flight, first to the moon and why america will always be first in space. You know, before i got here, it wasnt looking so good. When it comes to defending america, it is not enough to merely have an american presence in space. We must have american dominance in space. Im hereby directing the Department Of Defense and pentagon to immediately begin the process necessary to establish a space force as the sixth branch of the armed forces. We are going to have the air force and we are going to have the space force. Separate but equal. Just to repeat, the president today proposed a new branch of the military. The space force would join the army, navy, air force, marines and coast guard. The pentagon says its policy board will now try to figure out how this would work. We should note as we leave you there already is a u. S. Air force space command, the collective effort of about 38,000 people who operate under the official motto, guardians of the high frontier. Well, for all of us down here, thiss our broadcast on a monday night starting a new week
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