Moving on to super tuesday and on to a rivals home turf as prominent democrats float a convention fight with his supporters as the 11th hour gets under way on this thursday night. Good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. Im receive kornacki in for brian williams. Day 1,134 of the Trump Administration. Tonight the spread of the coronavirus is taking a further toll on Global Markets while adding to the pressure on President Trump. Today the dow saw its biggest oneday point decline in history, plunging more than 1,000 points. And tonight there are indications of potentially more losses to come. The number of reported virus cases worldwide meanwhile continues to climb. It is now at more than 82,000. And while the majority of cases are in china, the New York Times reports that coronavirus has now been detected in at least 48 Different Countries with case numbers rising rapidly in italy, iran, and south korea. Today the centers for Disease Control expanded federal guidelines to include people with symptoms who have recently traveled to those countries as well as to china and to japan. And japan has decided to shut down all schools for about a month. This in an effort to help contain its coronavirus outbreak. As for the United States, the New York Times reports there are now 60 known cases. One is in northern california, and it is being closely watched. This appears to be the first case involving a patient who had not recently traveled outside of the country and who was not in contact with someone who did. The Trump Administration continues to hear criticism over its response to the virus. Last night the president declared that Vice President mike pence would take charge of the Coronavirus Task force. Tonight trump was back in front of the cameras himself. We have a situation with the virus. Weve done a great job. The press wont give us credit for it. I think its an incredible achievement that our country has done. Were giving whatever other countries need. Were helping them. But we have to run our country too. A lot of people say, why isnt he in china . Well, you know, china has to want that. And other places have to but theyre running it, and theyre working very hard, i will tell you, and were in very constant communication. If we were doing a bad job, we should also be criticized, but we have done an incredible job. Were going to continue. Its going to disappear one day. It could get worse before it gets better. It could maybe go away. Well see what happens. The Washington Post philip rucker, who joins us in a moment, is reporting on the challenges this potential Health Emergency poses for this president and his administration. Quote, trump finds himself grappling with a crisis for which his record suggests he is particularly ill suited to respond. At a time when expertise is paramount, trump has hollowed out the Government Agencies responsible for the tasks at hand. The post also broke the story now confirmed by several outlets of a new whistleblower complaint. According to reports, the democratic of health and Human Services sent more than a dozen workers to greet americans evacuated from the center of the outbreak in china and that they were there without proper training or Infection Control protection. The federal employees were, quote, sent to march air force base in riverside county, california, and Travis Air Force base in solano county, california. It is reported the aforementioned california patient who mysteriously contracted the virus is from solano county. During a hearing on capitol hill today, Health Secretary alex azar was asked about the whistleblowers allegation. To your knowledge, were any of the acf employees exposed to high risk evacuees from china . They should never have been without appropriate ppe. Whats ppe . Thats personal protective equipment. Are you aware it is my understanding that, you know, there was a team as you just confirmed that was sent to the march and Travis Air Force bases, and there was a lot of it was kind of chaotic on the ground. To your knowledge, were protocols followed at all times . Um, i would not accept your proposition that chaotic at all times. I would want to get a report from my team. Im not aware of any violation of quarantine or isolation protocols. Back at hhs headquarters today, Vice President pence headed up his first Coronavirus Task force meeting. Shortly before that session, the New York Times reported that Senior Administration officials will now have to check with pence before they can make public statements about the epidemic. Pence has also named aids hiv expert ambassador debbie burkes, who is also a physician, to the white houses Coronavirus Response coordinator. She joins the Vice President and Health Secretary azar on the front lines of the administrations response to the virus. Today lawmakers seemed a bit confused over exactly who is now calling the shots. With the leadership Going Forward and Vice President pence, whats the interface going to be with yourself, mr. Secretary, between the two of you . Whos going to do what and how do you see a lot of continuity with what weve been doing. I will remain the chairman of the task force, the Interagency Task force. Then we heard this from the Vice President. Im leading the task force. Well continue to rely on the secretarys role as chairman of the task force and the leader of health and Human Services. But weve known each other for many years and worked together very closely over the years, and the president has every confidence in the secretary as i do. Here for our leadoff discussion on a thursday night, philip rucker, pulitzer prizewinning White House Bureau chief for the Washington Post and coauthor along with his post colleague Carol Leonnig of the New York Times be bestselling book a very stable genius. Nancy cook, a White House Reporter for politico. And stephanie ruhle, the host of the 9 00 a. M. Here on msnbc and an nbc Senior Business correspondent. Thank you all for joining us. Nancy cook, let me begin and you and put up for folks the headline of your latest article at politico. Trumps coronavirus conflict science versus politics. You are looking at what is taking place behind the scenes as the administration and this president seek to formulate a public response to this outbreak and potentially here the consequences, of course, weve been discussing. What is happening behind the scenes in in administration . Well, whats been happening behind the scenes for the last few weeks has been a ton of infighting at a time when the outbreak is just getting worse and spreading across countries. So we had what we saw yesterday, which is basically a change in the leadership at the white house as to who is actually running point on the coronavirus. Theres been a lot of infighting behind the scenes with secretary azar. He hasnt necessarily been getting along with folks in the white house. The president has been dissatisfied with the leadership, and thats why he appointed pence to lead the effort last night at that press conference. And then the other thing that weve seen is weve seen the president really try to downplay the concerns about coronavirus and say maybe it would dissipate by the spring. Maybe it wont even come here. But meanwhile career and scientific professionals, some of whom were behind trump at the podium last night, have contradicted that and said that its inevitable that the virus will come here, and its something that americans need to be prepared for. Stephanie, talkingbout the concerns obviously over what scale this coronavirus might have here in the United States, how this could spread here potentially, all of those fears, the administrations response there, theres also the question we mentioned this too of what is happening on wall street this week. The dow is plummeting on a daily basis right now. Record losses in one day today. Theres the question of how long this is going to last on wall street and what the economic ramifications could be there. Its all about uncertainty. The most valuable commodity that exists, whether youre a parent, a ceo, or an investor, is information. Investors are risk managers, so they need to take all of the Information Available to them, assess that risk, and make a decision. You dont just make money in the stock market if things are going well. You could actually make a ton of money when things are going poorly. Where you cannot make money is if you have no idea whats going on, and that is the situation were in. Everything you just said, everything that were hearing about this, even the fact that now officials cannot share give accurate updates without getting approval from mike pence. So if youre an investor and you need to figure out whats actually happening in the world, remember, this isnt its a doomsday scenario and we know its turning into a pandemic. These investors need to understand countries. Countries need to be doing business, and if its a supply chain issue, a personnel issue, or the fact with all of the precautionary measures individuals are taking, were not spending money, remember, its consumers that have been driving the growth in this economy. Consumers arent going to be spending money at a time like this. So from wall streets perspective, theyre saying, i got to hit pause. So it is wall street trying to figure out what the rest of us are. Correct. What the scope of this is going to zbbe. And its really important because people keep saying wall street must know something we dont know. No. Wall street doesnt know. Thats why youre seeing so many investors sell and say lets wait this one out. Fill philip rucker, john mea was on our air earlier. It is a matter of life and death. This is as core an issue as you can get. I always thought a great crisis of trust would be over a Foreign Policy crisis, would be over the president saying something he knew not to be true. This is even more elemental to some extent. You know, philip, this is talked about from administration to administration, the idea of the unexpected, unforeseen crisis that ends up taking center stage, ends up testing the president , ends up testing the administration in ways nobody was expecting. Again, obviously we dont know what the scope of this is or isnt going to be. But is the white house are folks around the white house and inside of it thinking of this in those terms at all . They are beginning to, steve. Theres a heightened sense of concern within the president s circle about the coronavirus situation, about this perhaps worsening into a pandemic, about the economy remaining shaky, jittery. The markets continuing to decline as stephanie was just alluding to, and what that may portend for this president. And theres a realization too that trump is not a great fit for this moment. This is a moment that of course requires leaders to present honest, factual information, to rely on the scientific experts in the government to provide clear instructions to the american people. And what you have in President Trump is a leader who is prone to hyperbole, who doesnt always tell the truth, who likes to be a salesman and exaggerate and can sometimes be emotional and personal in his responses when calmness is really the order of the day. So its sort of a wait and see moment in the white house. Theres an attempt to get things under control here with Vice President pence taking charge. But a lot of concern that this could go off the rails very quickly. Well, nancy, that gets to another question. We just played before this, in the intro to this discussion, comments from the president again today. Is that going to be a consistent presence here, Public Comments from the president . Is there a plan to have him talk less about this Going Forward . How much are we going to be hearing from him . Well, i think that the white house doesnt really have any control over how often the president speaks, and you have to remember tomorrow he is going to South Carolina for a rally. So hell have, you know, a huge platform there and an hour and a half potentially to talk and deliver his messages. But i think what we heard from the president today at an event at the white house was a sense of grievance that he wasnt getting enough credit for the coronavirus. And that really contradicted what the white house wanted him to do with that press conference on wednesday night. They wanted him to try to calm people down, you know, display a president ial leadership, you know, and then today he was talking really just about how coronavirus is being perceived throughout the media coverage, how its reflecting on him, and not really about the larger question of the welfare of the american people, how the stock market is going to react, whats going to happen with the economy. Its all through the lens of himself. Phil, youve also written about recent personnel changes, the evolution of personnel in this administration, how that could come into play here. Tell bus thus about that. Steve, for the last three years the president has been waging a war, in effect, on science and on experts in the government. Hes tried to discredit what he has termed the deep state, which of course applies to the National Security and intelligence realms but also the scientific realms, those government bureaucratic experts in our government who he now has to rely upon for information and for leadership at this moment. They have tried to cut the budgets of the cdc and other areas. Theyve tried to suppress some of this expertise, and now that needs to come into the fore, and theres a real scramble under way in the government to try to fill some of those vacancies and to bring that expertise to the forefront. Stephanie, we were talking about this. Wall street as much wondering as the rest of us where this is all going. Is there anything the administration, is there anything the president can do if tomorrow they dont want to see the dow plunge another 1,000 points . Well, thats the thing. This is very difficult for the president because its not like he can say, were going to go with Corporate Tax cuts, reminding corporate america, hey, dont forget, this is a time of deregulation, or to pressure the fed to cut rates. We may see the fed cut rates. But if theyre cutting rates at this time, its because they need to. The truth is today a lot of investors are griping that its unfortunate that last year when the fed didnt need to cut rates, they did. The feds job is not to tinker with Interest Rates to keep the markets going or to guide things along. The fed is there to use the tools of rising and cutting rates in times of an emergency. And right now that is what were potentially facing. So wall streets looking to see what the fed does. But this will be a very frustrating time for the president because if we do face a human toll, if companies actually have poor economic numbers because of this, he cant do anything about it. All right. Stephanie ruhle, nancy cook, philip rucker, thank you all for being with us. And coming up, South Carolina voters, they have the potential to shake up the democratic president ial race. Im going to head over to the big board to explain because weve got some brandnew and dramatic numbers today. Also a critical part of preventing a coronavirus outbreak, it is detection. Were going to ask a former secretary of health and Human Services if this countrys Public Health infrastructure is ready. The 11th hour just Getting Started on a thursday night. the sun is risin as the day begins time for reflectin on family and friends and hey, we got somethin just for you sniffing its a cup of your favoriiiite. loud splashing highpitched laughter dang woodchucks with geico, the savings keep on going. Just like this sequel. 15 minutes could save you 15 or more on car insurance. My agerelated macular degenso today i made a plan with my doctor, which includes preservision. 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Xfinity mobile. Click, call or visit a store today. S. I never golfed till i was 41 years old, and i got my index down to sixseven. Then i ran for president. Dont run for president. Dont run for president unless you own a golf course and you can spend half your life there, okay . That was joe biden tonight in conway, South Carolina, the home of Coastal Carolina university. Go shaunt cleers. Joe biden, if he looks like hes in a good mood, he may have reason to be because weve seen a bunch of polls come out in South Carolina in the last day or two. Let me show you what theyre pointing to. This is the average of everything weve seen right now. Joe biden in the average of polls in South Carolina is suddenly up double digits over Bernie Sanders. Why that is so significant, because, sure, a couple months ago, a month ago, it would have been no surprise to have joe biden up double digits in South Carolina. It was supposed to be his firewall state. But then biden went and lost the first three states. He came in fourth place in iowa. He came in fifth place in New Hampshire with just 8 . And he came in a very, very distant second place in nevada, basically lost two to one to Bernie Sanders out there. Yet despite all that, since nevada, joe biden is up 11 points in the average in South Carolina. Sanders basically flat. No other movement. An 11point gain all of a sudden for the guy who lost the first three contests, who didnt even come close in the first three contests. It looks like something very interesting is happening there in South Carolina. It may be that that nevada victory for Bernie Sanders, it created a new level of focus, a new intensity of focus on the prospect of him being the democratic nominee, of the questions that have been raised by some of his crits, by the democratic establishment, the questions that have been raised about his electability. Has that given voters in South Carolina sudden pause over Bernie Sanders and has it sent them to joe biden. Biden now up double digits in the average in nevada. An 11point gain. One of the polls that came out today we can show you the breakdown here. The critical question in South Carolina, it is black voters. You see among white voters, bid biden leading sanders. Among africanamerican voters, biden up here at 45 . Sanders not even in second place. Tom steyer, who of course sending a fortune on Television Ads in South Carolina, hes actually in second place with black voters in this poll. Theres sanders at 13 , basically losing by three to one to joe biden. The hope of the Sanders Campaign remember, about 60 of the electorate in South Carolina we think will be africanamerican on saturday. The hope of the Sanders Campaign was they could get close to even with joe biden among black voters. In nevada last weekend, there were some black voters out there. The margin in the exit poll was 38 to 28. Tenpoint margin. The Sanders Campaign was hoping to keep it somewhere around there or tighter. If its anything like this on saturday, you are looking at a joe biden landslide. If its worse than this, youre looking at a really big joe biden landslide. By the way in 2016, the black vote in South Carolina in the Clinton Sanders primary, it was 86 for clinton, 14 for Bernie Sanders. That was what he got four years ago. He got 14 then. Hes at 13 with black voters in this poll. We will see what saturday brings. For more, we welcome in andy shane, Columbia Bureau chief for the post and courier. Thats charleston, South Carolinas daily newspaper. He is on the ground in the state that has all the worlds attention right now. Andy, thank you for joining us. Let me start with you. The numbers on this board are telling me there has been sudden and Dramatic Movement to joe biden. Does that hold out in what youre seeing on the ground there . You know, very much so. I mean joe biden has been leading in the polls here for the past year. Even before when he got in the race in 2019, he was the leader in the poll when he was not even officially a candidate. So its been really no surprise that he certainly has solidified that lead in the past few days as voters are finally beginning to decide who theyre going to cast their ballot for on saturday. I think a lot of them know that joe is the name brand. Hes somebody that they know, and in the end if they have doubts about anybody else, you tend to go with what you know. Thats the question too when you say if they have doubts about anybody else because what were used to seeing in these president ial primaries in the past is if a candidate starts winning those early states, that candidate kind of gets some momentum. Theres a bandwagon effect. You start seeing their support growing everywhere else, and you had sanders win nevada, win New Hampshire, didnt win the delegates in iowa but won the popular vote. Theres saying they won the first three. And yet to look at these polls, it doesnt look like theres really been any growth for sanders in South Carolina since nevada. Does that reflect what youre talking about . Is there doubt among voters there . There is. I mean i think what it is to a certain extent is a lot of voters in South Carolina dont care what happened so much in iowa and New Hampshire. They make up their own minds. They feel like they have their own issues that they want to contend with at this point. So, you know, i think for the most part here in South Carolina, there are a lot of independent thinkers. Obviously were the first state thats seceded from the union during the civil war. You know, its we kind of want to make our own decisions. I think thats what youre seeing here and the idea that joe biden has been the favorite candidate, you know, as i said, for the past 12 months and its continued. Yes, the gap closed at one point, but i think the secondplace finish in nevada, i think his decent showing at the debate, getting jim clyburns endorsement has just helped all around just helped solidify and put him back in the numbers that we were really seeing him for much of last year, those doubledigit leads. Let me ask you about one other name here. By the way, third place here in South Carolina, tom steyer sitting at 14 in the average of all polls. We know he has spent a fortune on Television Advertising there. We saw him doing the same thing in nevada. We saw him flood the airwaves with ads there. Didnt end up translating into a ton of support. He tried it in New Hampshire. He tried it in iowa. He doesnt have a lot to show so far with the money he spent. When you look at 14 , do you expect that to hold up on saturday or is that sort of paperthin support . Its hard to say. He is such an unknown. Hes such a wild card in this race. As you say, hes blanketed the state with ads. We get my home gets mailers every day. My daughter, who is not voting age, can recite his ads because hes so frequent on facebook and on youtube. Its amazing what hes done and what he has spent here. And if he were to finish third, id have to think thats a pretty big disappointment considering that hes basically made this the one state hes really invested in and really thinks he could launch himself further into super tuesday and the rest of the campaign. All right. Andy shane. If you want to know anything about the South Carolina primary, he is the guy to ask. Thank you for joining us. We appreciate that. And coming up, more on the new whistleblower making headlines. 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Those guidelines have now been expanded to include more people. At this point the source of this particular patients infection is unknown, meaning the virus may still be spreading throughout the community. Joining me now, kathleen sebelius, the former governor of kansas, and most important for our conversation tonight, the former secretary of health and Human Services under president obama. Thank you for joining us. We appreciate you being here. I was looking back at your tenure at hhs and realized you walked into that job in 2009 just as the swine flu epidemic was taking hold. And i was going back and looking at this. A decade later there was lots of speculation then about how bad the swine flu could become. It was not a good thing. It didnt get as bad as some of the most dire predictions. I wonder does the swine flu offer any useful parallels to what were going through right now . Well, i think it does, steve. Youre right, i basically had a pandemic in my welcome wagon when i got to hhs. What we had to do very quickly, the presidency was very young. President obama had been sworn in in january. I was the last cabinet member in april to be sworn in. So the entire administration was brandnew, and suffice it to say no one had ever dealt with a pandemic before. And it was a pandemic in north america, so the disease started in mexico but spread quickly into the United States and to canada. So the three Canadian Health minister, American Health minister, which was me at the time, and the Mexican Health minister worked very closely from day one, and there was really put in place immediately by president obama and all of government response. The secretary of homeland security, my friend and former governor Janet Napolitano was there from january on. She was my partner in this effort. So the two of us led the government response, but the department of labor was involved. The department of education was involved. And certainly the scientists kind of led the way. President obama insisted that we be guided by the science. The scary thing about h1n1 initially was it had a lot of the same features. It was a new virus, which means nobody had ever seen it. So no human being, either in america or anyplace else, had immunity to this virus. It also had a different profile. The people who were dying were not typically flu victims who are older and often have compromised immune systems. The people who were dying with h1n1 were younger, and children had died. So that was very frightening to a lot of people, and we had no vaccine. So a lot of parallels to today where it spread quickly. I looked at some numbers. When i came into the job, there were 100 known cases in the United States and one death, who was a child who had traveled to the United States from mexico where the disease began. By november, we had millions of confirmed cases throughout the United States, and luckily we had a vaccine. But it moved very, very quickly through the country and through the protocols. Thats the question too. A virus of this nature, how containable is it . I mean we see these stories of the it seems pretty extreme measures that were taken in china to try to contain it. Japan, theyre closing down schools for a month. I saw there was some talk about whether the olympics should be canceled or postponed or moved. Once you get people in a country with it, how containable is it . Well, it sounds like its pretty difficult to contain again until you have a vaccine. The problem is that it seems very easily transmittable. I heard tony fauci last night talk about the fact that its very efficient, meaning that one person can give it to a lot of others. And people dont immediately present with symptoms. So you can have the virus, give it to other people, and be diagnosed weeks later with the virus. Thats a dangerous situation. The other thing that ive heard thats very alarming is that with a typical flu and the president seemed shock by the flu numbers, but Public Health officials have known for decades that the flu is a very serious disease every year, which is why we encourage people to get flu shots. 36,000 to 40,000 americans die every year. But typically older and already compromised people are dying. This viral infection, this coronavirus seems to be significantly more lethal than the flu. The flu has a death rate of about 0. 01 of the people who actually get the flu, confirm with the flu, end up dying. Thats a lot of people. This profile is emerging at about a 2 death rate, which is almost 20 times what the average flu death is. So it is alarming, and i think anybody who suggests that it is over in the United States or this will not present in the United States is really not looking at the evidence. Those are some pretty chilling statistics sebelius, tr joining us. Appreciate it. Sure. And coming up, obviously it is all about the delegates for democrats in South Carolina, at least officially. Momentum might have some factor here as well. Two veteran political reporters are going to help break down all the math when the 11th hour continues. Paying too much for insurance is painful. Like getting stuck in the middle seat. Trees scare me. Who could be scared of a tree . Know whats crazy . Squirrels are crazy. Maybe i was a squirrel in a past life . I dont know, its possible. But when you switch to esurance, you could save an average of 462 and a lot of pain. Its as easy as switching seats. Really . Thank you. I call it my plane cardigan. Hi, dennis quaid. 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Thats why you set out rules. You cant change the rules in the middle of a game. Talk of a contested convention is making some Democratic Party members uneasy. The New York Times reporting tonight, quote, dozens of interviews with democratic establishment leaders this week show that they are not just worried about mr. Sanders candidacy but are also willing to risk intraparty damage to stop his nomination at the National Convention in july if they get the chance. Here with us, beth fouhy, nbc news senior politics editor and basil smikle. Beth, theres the extreme scenario here for the democrats nervous about sanders where they find some way to thwart him at the last minute at the convention. Lets talk about the immediate one. Democrats who have been sounding the alarm for the last weeks saying Bernie Sanders in their view would not be a strong general election candidate. They dont want him nominated. We just showed the numbers a few minutes ago. In South Carolina, since that nevada result came in over the weekend, biden is up. Biden is up big. Are democrat whos are sounding the alarm about sanders getting democratic voters to pump the brakes here. Well know in a couple of days when South Carolina casts its votes. Of course biden has been favored to win in South Carolina for some time. There was some question if he didnt do well in the first three contests whether his lead there would evaporate. It doesnt look like it has. Well wait and see for sure on saturday night. But the question is whether thats going to take him anywhere after that, whether it gives him the kind of bounce he needs to really catch up and get the momentum he needs to catch Bernie Sanders level of momentum. Were going into super tuesday. Bernie sanders is expected to do very well in california, which has, you know, the lions share of the delegates on that day. But theres a whole lot of other big states also voting that day. Now, biden, if he does well in South Carolina, that may portend a good night for him in Southern States, other Southern States like North Carolina or alabama or texas perhaps. But then youve got the california result for sanders, and then youre moving into a very unknown sort of realm for biden where he doesnt have a lot of money. He doesnt have a big organization, both of which sanders does have. So competing that way, sanders is still ahead. The other interesting thing, basel, on sanders is you have folks out there saying to democratic voters, hes going to be a disaster as the general election candidate. Dont nominate him. You wont beat trump. But the polling, i saw more state polls today pennsylvania, wisconsin, if you just did a blind test of the democrats versus trump in the head to heads and say pick which one is sanders, you wouldnt shall able to because he doesnt stand out in the polls as uniquely unelectable. Whats interesting to me is, you know, if i looked at the results of the 2016 primary, he won in a lot of areas that trump one because theres a strange of their narrative that is very similar. System is rigged. The elites dont support you. I would argue theres a lot of support for him in areas that some might think there isnt. But i assume there is because of the threat of that narrative. I think what folks are looking at are those down ballot races. Weve spent so much money and time not just flipping congressional seats but state legislatures. New york in particular where i was the e. D. So you have a lot of folks looking at that and saying, well, even if he does very well in a primary and could beat donald trump in a general election, what does it matter if all the policies he wants to implement, there are no democrats in congress to help him do that . And so i think theres this real sort of challenge that democrats are faced with, which is do we go against momentum and enthusiasm even if theres detriment downballot, or do we just ride with him and hope for the best . The other thing weve seen in South Carolina in the recent past is it has set the tone for how the black vote is going to go particularly in the south but weve seen obama won the black vote big in South Carolina and every other state. Clinton in 2016, same story. Looking at that polling out today that suggests the black vote late here in South Carolina is moving back perhaps decisively to biden, that becomes significant. Beth was mentioning some of these other Southern States. I saw a poll in florida today that actually had biden up big there. Right. And what im looking for because if you look at the jim clyburn endorsement, whats interesting about that endorsement is a friend of mine said its a history lesson. Its i know biden because i was there with biden. If youre a young voter, this is what biden did in his past to give you the opportunities that you have today. If that is a narrative that actually works and could bring young voters along, then i think that biden bounce can be significant in other states. If its not and were seeing a generational breakdown even within the africanamerican vote where Younger Voters are still sort of trending sanders and warren, then i think theres some trouble for him in the subsequent states. Sanders does very well among latino voters, so that bodes well in california and texas and so on. If theres that generational divide, i think its going to go much further. I dont know that bidens bounce actually gives him he doesnt get to close the deal in South Carolina. Right. If half the people agewise arent with you, it gets difficult. Coming up, an exclusive new clip from kasie hunts interview with Michael Bloomberg. At leaf blowers. You should be mad your neighbor always wants to hang out. 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Plus, get 300 off when you buy a new Samsung Galaxy s20 ultra. Xfinity mobile. Click, call or visit a store today. Would you vote for Bernie Sanders over donald trump . Um, well, ive criticized the Party Loyalty where they say you have to vote for the candidate. Of course ill vote for him and they dont really mean it. In this case the alternative to the democratic candidates, even Bernie Sanders, is so bad, i have said i will vote for the democratic candidate even if sounds like you might have to hold your nose and do it. It turns out i might have to vote for him, but the other day his staff for reasons beyond me said we dont want bloombergs help. So i guess im off the hook there. That was from kasie hunts exclusive interview with Michael Bloomberg in houston. You can watch the rest tomorrow on morning joe. Meanwhile, senator Bernie Sanders wont be in South Carolina for saturdays primary. He is taking his campaign to elizabeth warrens turf in pa. He has events in springfield tomorrow on and boston on saturday. Warren, for her part, isnt saying if her home state could make or break her campaign. Six days, massachusetts is going to vote. Is it a mustwin for, you massachusetts . Im out here fighting for every vote. Still with us, beth fouhy, and basil smikle. Lets talk about michael berg, the premise of his campaign seemed to be offering an insurance policy to democrats who didnt want sanders and didnt want warren as the nominee. It was basically if they get hot in the early states and joe biden collapses and theres nothing standing between them and the nomination, heres Michael Bloomberg coming in on super tuesday. But if were looking at a scenario where on saturday night these polls prove to be correct and joe biden gets a big win out of South Carolina, where does Michael Bloomberg go from there . Whats the justification from there . Is he then getting in the way of a candidate like biden beating sanders or Warren Sanders really . Hes been campaigning hard in all the super tuesday states as you know. He skipped the first four contests. Hes really been going hard and deep on the super tuesday states. So hes actually built up probably a lot of early vote in california and other places where there is early votes. So i dont think specifically the South Carolina outcome is going to have the massive effect on bloomberg per se. Whats had the effect on bloomberg is two pretty bad debate performances where despite all the money that he spent on advertising, i think were up to 400 million now, very slick ads, very good ads. When people when voters got a measure of him, the man, as opposed to what they saw on tv ads, he didnt come up to what they expected. Weve definitely seen in polling hes taken a hit since then. Look, hes got all the money that one could possibly have. 200 million more could make a big difference to keep him in this race Going Forward. What i was saying before, since biden has been struggling with fundraising, bloomberg can still make a plausible case and hes got the money to do that. I think no matter what he keeps going. Sanders is in massachusetts. It looks like hed like to win massachusetts and basically leave warren with no choice but to get out of the race. Klobuchar, by the way, minnesota is also going to vote on super tuesday. So youve got these two candidates with their home states voting. Do they have to win their home states to have a justification to continue . Its hard not to win your home state, particularly in this cycle because youve got sanders surging. Youve got biden maybe doing a lot better than he had been and getting a significant bump. I think people are getting used to the idea of potentially supporting Mike Bloomberg, but some may not want to have to go down that route, so they put a lot of their attention on joe biden. I dont want to say its a mustwin, but its a pretty hard case to be made if they dont win their home states. I would also say this. I would think at some point if its not president obama, somebodys going to have to have a conversation with these folks and say, you got to take a step back. Donors, union leaders, whatever the case. The clock is ticking, though, right, beth . After next tuesday, all these delegates are off the board and claims . Its hard to see how they keep going. The money is going to dry up. Were moving on big states to come to vote, florida, georgia. If you dont do well in your home state particularly and if you dont do well in South Carolina, it looks like theyre all kind of writing it off except for biden and a little bit sanders and tom steyer. You really have no place to go with no money to make your case. I think it will become evident to many of them that its kind of time to wind it up. So perhaps there will be one or maybe two sort of moderates left to compare against Bernie Sanders. Thank you both for joining us. Coming up, president obama has not endorsed any candidate for president. We were just talking about that. Were going to explain why some people out there a lot of people out there may think the opposite is true when the 11th hour continues. Wild thing, you make my heart sing. You make everything. Groovy. Done yet . Yeah, yeah, sorry, sorry. You sure . Hmm. Mmm. Come on, come on, wild thing. If you ride, you get it. Geico motorcycle. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. If youre living with hiv, and ask your doctor about biktarvy. Biktarvy is a complete, onepill, onceaday treatment used for hiv in certain adults. 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And the 2020 census is how that great promise is kept. Because this is the count that informs where hundreds of billions in funding will go each year for things like education, healthcare, and programs that touch us all. Shape your future. Start here. Learn more at 2020census. Gov what i said is what barack obama said in terms of cuba. That was barack obama. By the way, i called to make sure i was prepared to i never say minding my private conversation but and the last thing before we go tonight, former president barack obama is officially neutral in the 2020 democratic race. But if youre somehow under the impression he has weighed in, youre not alone. A new poll from Morning Consult finds that three in five potential democratic primary voters believe that the 44th president has endorsed a democratic candidate to take on donald trump. Maybe thats because of all of these. Im Mike Bloomberg. Im elizabeth warren. Im tom steyer. I approve this message. This is an extraordinary man with an extraordinary career in public service. Shes a janitors daughter who has become one of the countrys fiercest advocates for the middle class. Mayor bloomberg and president obama worked together. Fired up, ready to go. We need Something Different to beat trump. Tom steyer can bring it. Hes been a leader throughout the country for the past 12 years, mr. Michael bloomberg. Joes candid, honest counsel made me a better president. Elizabeth understands what i strongly believe. The best part is hes nowhere closed to finished. So that Morning Consult poll, it went on to ask which candidates those voters who thought that obama had weighed in which candidates they thought he was supporting. On that question, it is neck and neck between bloomberg and biden. 26 to 25 . Another 10 thought that obama had endorsed Bernie Sanders. 5 said that he was with elizabeth warren. 2 said that barack obama was with pete buttigieg, this despite what this viral video from the recount calls petes obama voice. The way we do every other election the person who got the most votes. Brings us together. This country was built. There is a movement reaching into to Church Basements and union halls. Shines and a beacon around the world once more. This is our chance to answer that call. That is our broadcast for tonight. Brian will be back tomorrow. Thank you for being with us and good night from nbc news headquarters in new york. The president tonight at the white house said about the coronavirus and i quote it is going to disappear. One day it will be like a miracle. It will disappear. He then said, nobody really knows. And while i am sure the president would not say that without having an adequate
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