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MSNBCW The Beat With Ari Melber July 8, 2018

Stay in london. Its a story that as you know were committed to and i bring you that later in the show. We begin with Donald Trumps former campaign chief fighting to not only get out of jail on those russiarelated charges, but fighting for more. Paul manafort has now been in jail for three weeks. And in new court filings, his lawyers are asking that he get out now. They say he has been faced with solitary confinement, locked in his cell at least 23 hours per day, which they argue makes it effectively impossible for him to prepare for trial. Of course, that would mean its impossible for many, many poor defendants around the country to prepare for trial. Muellers team has a response that manafort is exactly where he should be, in jail because he allegedly tried to obstruct justice by coaching and tampering with witnesses and that the limits hes dealing with are, there you go, common for incarcerated defendants pending trial. Manaforts lawyers also arguing today to move his virginia trial from alexandria to roanoke. There is too much press coverage and those in d. C. Will be biased against him because of his association with donald trump. Meanwhile Paul Manafort is under all of this strain, this is who donald trump is talking about. We won by 44 points over a democrat. Now crooked hillary, but still shes a democrat. She gets special treatment under the justice department. Lock her up. Lock her up. And as trump eggs on that lock her up crowd, there is another person worrying about being locked up, and its not a Hillary Clinton aide. It is Donald Trumps longserving former lawyer Michael Cohen who is in the middle of this strain and the stress that weve been reporting on. And hes hired someone to help him with all this, Hillary Clintons most one of his most well known lawyers and allies, lanny davis who served bill and Hillary Clinton to handle the onslaught of whats expected from team trump. The content is significant. We discussed this immediately since the news broke. This is not any lawyer. There are all kinds of lawyers you could hire to do all kinds of legal tasks. This is a serious and well known Hillary Clinton surrogate. If there is one thing lanny davis has had practice at, its defending someone against the likes of donald trump. Have you no sense of shame left, mr. Trump . Donald trump did not apologize to a gold star mother and he didnt apologize to the women that he bragged about sexually assaulting. The reckless, volatile, unstable judgment of donald trump hes put out a financial disclosure. The clintons are the ones who have been lying to the american people. Why are you not answering my question . Here not to evade any questions, emily jane folks, Senior Reporter of vanity fair who covered Michael Cohen for years. Shes authored born trump about the trump family. And the counsel to the mayor of new york city. Maya, the significance of lanny davis in this highly unpredictable legal fiasco. Well, its a very smart move. I mean, hes got guy petrillo who was the head of the Criminal Division at the United States Attorneys Office for the southern district. What hes added in the form of lanny davis is someone who has literally been a fixer for the clintons during the ken starr investigation, who actually his job was to be the public spokesperson. In essence, he was a volunteer for the clintons who was essentially out there to be the person who pushed back very hard on the narrative and created narrative about ken starrs poor judgment. Something really interesting about lanny davis is he did an interview in which he talked about first making the mistake of going after ken starr as an ideologue, republican conspiracy against the clintons and learned to shift after having a conversation with john mccain to making it much more about judgment. I think this is very interesting because my guess is this is going to be a role hes going to play for Michael Cohen. Although in this instance, possibly helping to restore some credibility to Michael Cohen if and when he flips, because if he flips, one of the things that any good defense attorney is going to do is rip his credibility to shreds. When you put it like that, is it like an organ, that you can have a credibility transplant . You cant. You cant . You can just have a noun, steve bannon made it a noun in the white house. You just made a lanny davis. Listen to lanny davis talk about the issue of the relationship you have with your clients and whether theyre liars or not because what we saw in very unusual public forum was the break up between trump and cohen when he infamously said on air force one, hes my lawyer, which put heat on him. Lanny was speaking actually on the beat about the relationship you have with the client and truth. Take a look. I never worked for a client that has lied to me or that i could trust not lying to me. Thats the reason he cant find a great lawyer. Its because he has lied to the american people. We know that. But hes also lied to his own lawyers and no lawyer will take a client who lies. Which goes to the problems donald trump has had getting his own lawyers. What do you see as the key relationship here for michael, someone you spent time with . This is a very Important Role to michael personally. The thing that has rankled him the most is the effect on his family. I think what has rankled him second most is his inability to be able to speak on this. His former counsel refused to let him speak to the media. I think wisely. Hes entering a new phase in which he, again, will not be able to speak to the media on his own accord. We saw that on the record with george stephanopoulous. Beyond that i dont think hell be talking to the press any more. To have a lanny davis who can speak on his behalf i think is something michael is very much looking forward to. Hes been pretty much silent a year now. Isnt that small fry compared to worrying about going to jail . I dont think theyre mutually exclusive yes. The major concern is if hes going to end up indicted or charged with anything, whether or not he will flip, but Michael Cohen is someone who has for years been the pitbull, been an attack dog, an attack dog for his former boss and someone who defend himself. Whats on his mind, when am i able to defend my snefl hes breathing a sigh of relief that there will be someone defending him for once. He hasnt gotten that from the president. That goes to the psychological strain, maya, they involve real people and if theyre people you care about, even people who made mistakes. When you look at this as the character side of it, this remarkable soap opera, in Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen, we have people who have fundamentally lived highly privileged lives. Were talking about multimillion dollar town houses and travel and the life of their highly connected real estate and political friends and all this money who in a very short time face the kind of seismic people dont feel. In a sense theyre falling faster, harder than most people ever will. Its a big drop from the top of trump tower. And i think what part of what were seeing with having lanny davis part of this story now is remember that lanny davis did also represent two dictators. We should just say that. He would defend himself and say he was representing them in order to bring greater democracy to the countries that they were actually behaving very badly and serially on, he can whequatoria. While theyre falling hard and fast, they havent hit ground yet, they havent hit bottom. What were seeing is the efforts to pad that fall. Thats what a lanny davis represents i think for Michael Cohen. For Paul Manafort going in to try to get himself out of prison, out of his pretrial detention and solitary confinement before triem and defend himself. Youre saying its a hard fall. Jimmy cliff said the harder they come, the harder they fall. Dont do the crime one and all. Do you have anything, do you have any comment or anything . No. Youre not going to do jay z . Emily emailed me about kanye once after a show. I know you listen to kanye. Were going to turn to a member of congress. Im not even going to ask him for music quotes. But when you look at the legal fall out from this russia probe, donald trump also set for a one on one meeting with putin on july 16. His critics say putin will get the upper hand. I might even end up having a good relationship. Will President Trump be prepared . You know, president putin is kgb, this and that. You know what, putins fine. Hes fine. Were all fine. Were people. Will i be prepared . Totally prepared. Ive been preparing for this stuff my whole life. Rhode island congressman david serves on the Foreign Affairs and judiciary committees. Congressman, thanks for making time on the beat. Thank you. Your view on the substance, whats at stake in these types of meetings and the bizarre optics of the clip we just played, donald trump, i guess, sort of trying to have i dont know what fun with it for the people at the rally. Well, i mean, its very disturbing. Obviously Vladimir Putin is not fine. This is someone who led an effort to interfere with the american president ial election. Just this week the Senate Intelligence committee, republicanled committee confirmed that this was a russian effort led by Vladimir Putin to help donald trump and undermine the candidacy of Hillary Clinton. This is a person who invaded another country. The president talks about border, how important borders are. Apparently not for Vladimir Putin. But this is a very significant meeting and the fact that the president makes jokes about it, his last meeting with a dictator, kim jongun, when he met with him alone, apparently is when he agreed to stop exercises with the South Koreans without the knowledge of his defense secretary, secretary of state and South Koreans and got nothing for it. Im concerned hes going to have a summit with someone he doesnt understand is an adversary of the United States, a brutal thug who is undermining the western alliance, undermining National Security interests around the world. Hes going to walk out of that immediating having conceded something and getting nothing in return. So, he ought not be joking about it at rallies. He should spend time studying and preparing for what will be a very challenging encounter. He has a quality of spinning together everything with the bias that he brings to it. As you know, his own loyal supporters do tend to listen to him. So take a look at what he said trying to tie the trade war, which even conservatives and republican economists have criticized, into the russia issues last night. Were paying for anywhere from 70 to 90 to protect europe and thats fine. Of course they kill us on trade. They kill us on other things. So they want to protect against russia yet they pay billions of dollars to russia and were the schmucks paying for the whole thing. Is that right . Yeah, its just this idea of putting conflating all these issues into one and undermining our relationships with key allies and important trading relationships we have with key allies. He seems to have an incredible fondness for dictators and strong men. He called kim jongun an honorable man. He says putin is phi kappa. He attacks people we have strong alliances with and we have important trading relationships with. This is a part of a larger effort to distract and confuse and bring a lot of chaos so that people wont focus on the things the democrats are fighting for. To create goodpaying jobs, to drive down the cost of health care, drive down the cost of prescription drugs, rebuild the infrastructure of our country, and make america the best have the best infrastructure in the world. You know, there are a lot of things we should be focused on, but every day its more chaos, more confusion, sort of unwinding important alliances we have around the world and hes sort of in this speech put it all together in one thing. He attacked the me too movement. He praised Vladimir Putin. He a tracked our trading partners. Doesnt make a lot of sense. Theyre not connected, but its speaking to this sort of base of the party or the base of the Trump Supporters. And really, i think, an effort to distract from whats not getting done to raise family incomes, reduce the cost in peoples lives and make sure folks have the skills necessary for jobs in the 21st is not tri which is what we should be focused on. Youre hitting a lot of issues why the Foreign Policy matters and what the stakes are here at home. Congressman, i really appreciate it. My thanks as well Emily Jane Fox and maya wiley on all of these issues. Coming up, the access hollywood president actually attacks the me too Movement Last night. We have an exclusive interview with trump accuser and now political candidate Rachel Crooks next. Also scott pruitt out, the focus turning to betsy devos. Our special report on americas schools. And an important update tonight on the trump baby blimp in london. Why it may be going global. All that plus rap star big sean is here to talk with me about a renaissance for jobs and a key american inner city. Im ari melber. Youre watching the beat on msnbc. 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So, in a moment i turn to an exclusive interview with Rachel Crooks, one of the 19 women accusing trump of Sexual Misconduct. First i want to show you exactly what happened. This is a story that you can imagine any president doing would be a very big deal. Here is the president of the United States mocking alleged victims as a way to take a political jab at senator elizabeth warren. In the middle of the debate when she pro claims that shes of indian heritage, we will take that little kit and say we have to do it gently because when t were in the me too generation. We have to be gentle. And we will slowly toss it hoping it doesnt hit her and injure her arm. Warren responding by criticizing trump for testing the dna of migrant kids taken from their parents and being too incompetent to reunite the families. Trumps apparent mockery of me too comes on the same day that he also took an action many people in the movement feel is very disturbing. Giving a Top White House job to bill shine, fox executive ousted over accusations he enabled or stood by during multiple reports of Sexual Misconduct in that office by roger ailes as well as bill oreilly both of whom were defended by trump. Reporter in an interview with the New York Times, trump called oreilly a good person. Trump said, i think he shouldnt have settled. Adding, i dont think bill did anything wrong. Finally roger ailes, is he helping you, is he advising you . I can tell you that some of the women that are complaining, i know how much hes helped them. Hes a very good person. Ive always found him to be just a very, very good person. Im joined now by Rachel Crooks who accused trump of forcibly kissing her without conse consent when she was working in trump tower in 2005 and she is running for office in the ohio state legislature. Rachel, first your reaction to what the president said last night. Well, thank you for having me, ari. You know, of course nothing that President Trump says any more shocks me, but i think its truly despicable that he would knock the me too movement and, of course, say many of the other egregious things that he made comments about. But, yeah, nothing shocks me. He, of course, would make fun of it. He hasnt been held accountable for his own action so he would make light of the me too movement. That makes perfect sense to me. What is your candidacy say to women who look out on this environment and see on the one hand the world changing in some ways that involve accountability, however delayed, but in other ways see this kind of behavior at the top of the federal government . Yeah, i mean, the Silver Lining to President Trumps tenure has been that women are uniting and resisting and we are fed up with this behavior. That is what me too is. My candidacy is built on this idea that politicians, though, seem to not be held accountable and President Trump is the epitome of that. So i will continue to speak out so that i can be a voice for women who, you know, dont feel like their voices are being heard. And im curious before we

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