The days biggest political and news stories, with interviews and reporting from around the nation. Special coverage and handle her own mafia cases. And from the washington post, an allstar panel, if i may compliment you all. What was your view of rick gates taking the stand . Is this a testimonial Turning Point in the trial . What did you see with your own eye, the tension in the room. It was absolutely riveting, ari. I do think it was a Turning Point. Up until now the jury heard from witnesses who worked for mr. Manafort and sold him goods, but nobody who knew his state of mind, his motives. Gates does that. It was incredible to see mr. Gates who worked for Paul Manafort as his protege to see him walk in that courtroom just 10 feet from the defendant and he did this ritual lisk process
boss in charge, with the python jacket, had no clue. The other thing muellers team has done a good job is to support and protect gates beforehand. Every witness who has come to the stand already, the book keeper, the vendors said the same thing. Manafort was in charge. Manafort knew where every dollar and cent went and the Process Put On Gates and presupported in his testimony . Kathy, your view of the Prosecution Strategy here . I think they had to put him on. There was some discussion about not putting him on the stand. That was a sign the Prosecution Team thought they had a pretty strong case without him. They have shown some strengths in the case. When they had the accountant say directly, did you have foreign accounts and the answer was, no. They showed foreign accounts, thats pretty hard evidence to
him. Sure, hes lied, his selfinterest now and a selfinterested person is to tell the truth. What he needs is a letter from the prosecutes. Nothing will tick off a prosecutor more than learning something about the corroborate tore for the first time in crossexamination and why you spend days and days and say, you have to tell me everything in front of the jury thats bad. We have been fully living in the trial and legality of that. I wonder if you could widen us out to the potential politics of that. We have all heard how Trump Supporters may never change their mind. For a guy with a thin mandate, 46 , he cant afford a point or two at all. I wonder if you think there are people in this country who look up and clear the drama and politics and see a legal process
with a republican like rick gates saying, i got busted, did this stuff, manafort led it and this is the way we did business and this is who trump put in charge of the campaign, does that at some point catch up with him . I think there are three aspects to that. I think it matters. It will be hard to say mr. Mueller did not have good reason to be investigating these people. This is not a witch hunt. They didnt confess a stray crime. Gates is confessing to a bunch of crimes. They have manafort for a bunch of crimes. And the fact that hes wasting everybodys time will go by the wayside. The second thing i thought was very interesting. Liars lie and cheat in big ways and little. One of the things he confessed to was violating the terms of his parole. He was 15 minutes late. Supposed to be home at 11 00 p. M. And came home at 11 15. That goes to what your other guests were saying, you have to confess to everything. You want know surprises. The main take away i have is, my gosh, donald trump was surrounded by a bunch of crooks. He was not only in the campaign but in the transition at all. Hes the one who says, i only hire the best people. The best people are liars and cheats and embezlers, it is peculiar the people donald trump surrounds himself with. Michael cohen, gates. This association of not just one person, a bunch of people committing crimes and being charged and confessing to crimes. These people rub off and looks like a cess pool. Trumps desire to work with these people and embrace of them looks really bad. I have to ask you, is cess pool a fancy word than swamp . It is. Swamp goes to Business As Usual. This goes beyond that, the illegal swamp, stuff not par for the course. Above and beyond. It sheds a lot of light on remember a few days ago, i know it sounds like years President Trump was saying, oh, Paul Manafort, what a great guy. Why are they putting him through this . Thats the president of the United States endorsing these guys. It reflects on trumps character and associations he makes and his judgment. I think americans will get an earful in the next few days and weeks and months. Ken, coming out of the courtroom when this has been a drama series of events, this is still our lead story because its so important, i wonder if you could tell us a little bit more from your reporting about the tensions with the judge. Its not all good news for mueller, although they say they are methodically moving through this case, walk us through the case and what you glean from that. Reporter judge ts ellis is a judge who likes to impose his will on the courtroom. Our commentator says some are happy to be umpire and others interjekts himself as shortstop. He stops prosecutors about being leading or compound. The judge tried to rush the prosecutor, greg, and said, lets get to the heart of the matter. The prosecutor responded, we are at the heart of the matter and the judge barked, dont interrupt me, and there was a sidebar. The judge has kept out of evidence of some of this about the lavish lifestyle and luxury goods purchased with allegedly illgotten gains. Thats been a factor here. Even if this jury decides they do not believe rick gates and he collapses on cross examination, we have seen evidence of him with the Bank Accounts in cyprus and he said he didnt have that. Theres no dispute if the Bank Accounts existed. The only thing was that it wasnt a crime, he didnt intend to violate the law. Someone from the treasury said, you have to disclose an on
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already prove these things, the strategy may be to put more of them out first and claim its all old news later. Whatever the strategy, lets focus on facts and ramifications. Trumps teams current defense indicates their old defense was false. Trump junior said in a statement he asked jared and paul to stop by for what the president s son called a short introductory meeting. We primarily discussed a program about the issue of russian children. Did the issue of adoption near and dear to my heart, i have two russian adopted sons. Did that come up . Where . That was the primary thing we had spoken about in the meeting. Thats not the premise that got them in the room. They started essentially bait and switch to talk about that. Trump junior there caught on tape accusing others of bait and
switch. Its trumps own team admitting they did the bait and switch defending all of this. Trump also put his lawyer out in the cold, jay explaining why he put out that false information. The president was not involved in the drafting of the statement and did not issue the statement. It came from donald trump jr. I had bad information. Its important to point out in a situation like this, over time, facts develop. Facts develop and trump infamously crafted the statement with hope hicks. Muellers team interviewed her. She was spotted on Air Force One again this Weekend Hours before this new tweet. Trump and his son lied in their old defense the meeting was about adoption. That old lie itself could be a crime if anyone told it to federal investigators and attempt to obstruct justice if prosecutors prove they were
trying to cover up what happened to authorities. The main reason you have for trumptologically admit any of this now, get ahead of bob mueller if he thinks the truth is coming out any way. Im joined by nance, the author of the plot to destroy democracy. This is coming from trump. What is your theory from an investigative perspective why its coming out now . Two things i believe. I think there may be a factor to it trump is trying to get out ahead of it. That may have been discussed at a meeting and it popped out. Trump has a pattern of speaking we all know. Lie, deny and arrogantly confess. Weve seen that before when he had his interview with lester holt, he admitted he wanted to fire comey about the russian thing. This really needs a psychologist
than National Security analyst. I think he was arrogantly confessing in his mind a way to explain away their strategy whatever they were doing there was not illegal. That sounds like a hybrid of guiliani and trump. Is it bad if they went into the meeting to get foreign help and then attended the meeting trying to get foreign help but ultimately didnt get the help . Im not the perfect analyst on this. I will quote someone who knows it very well. Congressman ted lue, a military judge advocate, say, suppose i have two air force airmen and one say, hey, ive been talking to colombian drug lords and they will ship me campaign and we have to have a meeting with them. If the other guy say, if what youre saying is true, i love it. Right there they committed conspiracy. That is precisely what mueller and everyone else is saying. I think its starting to sink into the trump team what happened in conspiracy and they need to talk it away in the court of opinion because that will end up possibly of impeachment hearings. The other thing youre familiar with how propaganda and disinformation can be laundered through media and conversation and what we consider a robust Civic Society like our own. Donald trump seems to be trying to not only move the gold post and probe and get a wider group of americans, maybe past his core supporters, look at all of this. This is whats done. Take a listen. I think from a practical standpoint most people would have taken that meeting. Its called Opposition Research or Even Research into your opponent. In the case of don, he listened. I guess they talked about as i see it, they talked about
adoption and some things. Nothing happened from the meeting. Zero happened from the meeting. How do you draw the line of the Communication Technique there to this weekend . Clearly, theres a legal strategy behind that guiliani is behind. Create a cloud of doubt and then create a false reality of what is happening. The false reality is no collusion, no collusion. The secondary false reality is none of this is a crime, therefore the president has done nothing wrong and this is just usual. We all know there is a crime. There are actual u. S. Codes violated when you commit Conspiracy To Defraud the United States or essentially rig an election. They are saying, thats not true. You will hear a mountain of people that follow that up. As he makes the Propaganda Environment it filters to their people and with fox news, create
a new reality he might have to face the congress with. Thats the part i think is fascinating to concerning how people go, its just about adoption, its okay. Well, they lied about adoption, to get help from russia so okay. Final word. Next week could be crimes or not crimes out of these guys. I suspect thats where theyre going to go. Malcolm nance following this from the beginning. Good to see you in person. Straight ahead, rosy odonnell is leading a Trump Protest at the white house. Hi, rosy. See you in 30 seconds. People who rely on us every day to deliver their dreams theyre handing us more than mail theyre handing us their business and while we make more ecommerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget. That your business is our business the United States postal service. Priority you walk us through what youre
doing tonight. Why is this important . When i watched the Helsinki Summit and i, too, watched our president abandon our nation and be totally the betrayer that he is, i was horrified working on a showtime movie and i wasnt able to come and join in the protest the last 23 days and we got a hiatus a surprise and asked to get broadway people together to show up and support the people at the kremlin annex protesting 22 nights in a row since that summit where he staked his claim in russia opposed to the United States. Do you think, rosie, i want to ask you pointblank, do you think this is one of those periods in history you have been proven right, people who may not have given you the ben fingerprint of the doubt and
thought you and donald trump had some sort of quoteunquote celebrity feud, have come to learn things about him that reflect a problem with his leadership, why hes not fit for office . Has that been a Turning Point since helsinki . We heard from people across the spectrum that helsinki raised questions whether he should be president. He should not be president. I dont think hes a legitimate president , if it werent for russia he would have won and the reason hes not so panicked about russia, he knows they will try to do what they did in 2016. Although the media wont say it yet, they gave him the election. I think the Mainstream Media is slow coming around to where they actually are. It took you a long time to call him a liar and the man has been lying a long time since in
office. Helsinki was the last time for a lot of people. Forget it, you cant get more blatant than he did right there, swore his allegiance to russia. Im sickened by congress that doesnt call for impeachment when we have horrible evidence of his high crimes and misdemeanor. Its not that i want to be right, ive never spoken to the man. He was never once on my show when i was making money. I never spoke to him in my life. The way he bombarded me and tried to change what the Public Opinion was of me with the help of National Enquirer and fox news is exactly what hes done since hes been in office, to people lifetime civil servants, fbi and cia, our allies across the world. What he did to me was foreshadowing. I know from the last decade, it doesnt feel so good. An interesting point you raised i would like to explore
with you. This is something weve seen in societies where democracy is in peril, it becomes difficult for the society to deal in facts and policy if powerful people or the leadership turn everything into personal bullying or worse. Weve seen that, as you say, with you. Weve seen that as a political strategy with potentially of truth teller, if you think james comey tells the truth under oath. Weve seen it with the press. I will go back to a low point, tot to be rude, when he was pressed on his treatment of women become more exposed and more problematic, he personally attacked you. Lets take a look at that moment from the debates. Youve called women you dont like, fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals. Your twitter account only Rosie Odonnell. What was he doing there in
your view . The worst part of that is this huge response. The huge response. Hes like a bad comic and gets one line out and talks about it for four months. Told everyone. They laughed at that, that was the funniest thing. He was allowed to with help from the Mainstream Media an msnbc, they ganged up, willie geist was very antiRosie Odonnell. So was Joe Scarborough and every reporter on fox. It went on and on. When he lied, and say the show was canceled. The show was not canceled my friend, i left the show and money on the table to go home and parent. He changed it on the fabric of america because i was not on tv to rebut it. People go, i see what she is, i understand what she is. When he was the only one doing it, nobody would stand up to him. They would let him. As if only R