Regarding all the civil rights reform thats happening. So thats all coming up. We begin with this most important story, another Police Interaction thats ka lated i e a killing and the reaction bringing this breaking news. Were looking at live ongoing protests in atlanta and across new york right now. Atlanta is a tense city that has seen swift reaction where Police Killed a black man during an altercation. The officer was fired, another on the scene is on administrative leave. Their boss, meanwhile, the police chief has stepped down. Theres some of the officers. Meanwhile, the mayor, keisha lance bottoms, who had been touted as an example how to reform policing, is in overdrive trying to calm this troubled city and press new reforms. She just spoke outlining these new Police PoliciesEffective Immediately and sharing her own reaction. To watch mr. Brooks on friday night, wanting to go home for his daughters birthday. It breaks my heart. It pissed me off, it makes he sad, and im frustrated. And nothing i can do is going to change what happened on friday. She was speaking today about that killing of 27yearold Rayshard Brooks who was found sleeping in his car in a wendys parking lot. He offered to just walk home to go to his sisters before things escalated and he later grabbed an officers taser and fled. You can see him here taking the breathalyzer. This is part of the video well show you before the incident. Later, the video gets quite disturbing. It shows a lot of the exchange after brooks failed that sobriety check. He ends up in this altercation that you can see here. Brooks then takes an officers taser and flees. While also appearing to, as you see here, he points that taser back at them. The officer then shot brooks twice in the back, killing him. Thats where we stopped this video. Here was brooks widow speaking today. Theres no justice that can ever make me feel happy about whats been done. Ky never get my husband back. I can never get my best friend. I can never tell my daughter hes coming to take you skating or to swimming lessons. This is going to be a long time before i heal. Its going to be a long time before this family heals. Thats a selection there of the personal reaction these killings happen and we cover the family, we cover the reactions. Its become a bat of a sad, enduring american ritual. There are some reports that a decision on charges against the officer could come as soon as this week. Now youre updated on all of that. But you might be thinking as another week begins, with another killing like this, what are we to make of it . Well, first, no matter how jaded or pessimistic you may be about these issues, its still trike g i striking the problem that you can see this use of force continue during an intense period, during this ongoing scrutiny of police conduct. We hear a lot about sunlight and that exposure, or videos or this vigilance could prevent misconduct. But this incident began with an unarmed man asleep in his car and turned into police using deadly force even in this climate that were all aware of and the police are aware of. So that offers a warning with the idea, the political premise you hear that just adding pressure or scrutiny will automatically curb the use of potentially excessive force. Thats the incident itself. Second, as we start this week, there is the policy response. Whatever one concludes about the video, and you can see it, prosecutor also assess it, a jury might be asked to rule on it. Thats all about the individual incident. The wider policy response has been far stronger and swifter than usual. The officer fired. The police chief out. The authorities suddenly assessing potential charges against this officer as a seemingly real option. That alone is something that is not the norm in these incidents. Theyve been documented for years, but you dont see any basic search or consideration of charges against officers in most of these incidents. Thats documented. Thats different. Finally third, tonight, lets think about the larger way this all works or fails. What liberal activists once called the system. What todays protesters call systemic racism. What James Baldwin called the slave code that undergirds american policing. Michelle alexander, the author documented as the new jim crow. Whatever you want to call it or knew wannuance you apply, they the critique that this thing were living through that so many people are protesting against, this problem is such a problem because it is larger than individual people, which means even when the Political Leadership is more diverse, or when Police Forces are more diverse, the systemic problems dont just melt away, they can persist or deepen regardless of the individuals who are plugged into certain roles, precisely because these critiques i just mentioned, they argue that if our laws are still built on race, if our system is still fundamentally racially unfair, then the people carrying it out can be pulled and assumed into the problem. So you know, some politicians and pundits started suggesting, you may have heard this, last week and before, they started suggesting maybe it was time for the protesters to wrap up this stage, to move on to other things, to tweaking policy, going to meetings, playing an inside track. Many protesters are stressing this weekend, everything we just reported for you, sadly shows exactly why thats not an option. And they are still out in the streets. Let me bring in our experts. Eugene robinson and mara day. Mara, your thoughts . You know, its a hard day to watch. Weve watch sod many. But one of the things that ive been thinking about is the sense that the sense of helplessness, which is is really not rooted in reality. The United States has one of the highest Police InvolvedFatal Shooting rates in the world. Especially among come paparable nations. So there are other examples of countries, especially in europe and canada, can get this right. Its not rocket science. And, you know, the other element here is, yes, we need to hold problem officers accountable. But i believe we need to demilitarize Police Forces, because you have a situation in atlanta, very tragic, where a man lost his life despite being initially unarmed. And then, you know, was shot in the back. No one should be shot in the back. I think its a tragic sequence of events, but it raises fundamental questions about our approach to policing in general. And its going to take time. Its really good to see accountability. Its not going to happen overnight. The system was built over 100 years. So its going to take some time. Yeah, you might say to that sense, gene, rome wals not disassembled in a day, either. I wonder what you think given the historical arc of the system that it is final and can be progress the diversify things, but it cannot be just hanging only on the new individuals that theyre working within, as mentioned. The system that exists. Well, thats right. I mean, look, if anybody thought this was going to be easy, they were wrong and this is the most vivid and tragic proof of that, what happened to Rayshard Brooks. But its not just the militarization of policing, though its the way africanamericans are policed in this country, as well. And that is a big inescapable part of it. Raise is a big and inescapable part of what were talking about. So in 2015, dylann roof murdered nine people at Mother Emanuel Church in charleston, south carolina. Armed and dangerous, on the lam, a white supremacist, somehow he is taken into custody unharmed and lives to stand trial. Here Rayshard Brooks falls asleep in the drive through line at the wendys, and we know the sequence of events now, and theres fault in it for him for sure. But nonetheless, thats what he did, and he ends up dead. And theres theres more than a disconnect there. This is the product of the 401 years of systemic racism, of White Supremacy in this country. And a problem of the warrior mentality in policing and all the on every level, theres much to address before we get to a better place. But the way im feeling today is no justice, no peace. I mean, this has to continue and has to continue at a high pitch. Were going to put on the screen this new yorker cover. Theres been so many images ive seen to mr. Floyd. This one depicts, as you speak, gene, george floyd along with 18 other black americans, killed by Law Enforcement, and the farther back in history you go, the bigger that image would be, gene. Yes. It would be not just Law Enforcement, not just the lynchings in the south bi saw a photograph of a lynching that took place in duluth, minnesota 100 years ago today. And so this is, you know, the original sin of slavery and the racism was baked into the american cake at the beginning. So one can believe in this country and the promise of this country, and strive to make it live up to its ideals, while at the same time recognizing that thats always been here. And that the struggle to rub out that stain will continue. It certainly continues now, and will still continue because look what happened. In the middle of the protest, when everybodys attention is on it. So this happens to Rayshard Brooks. You have to ask yourself whether, in fact, the protests might have prohibited some other potential killing someplace else. So its not as if theyre not having an impact. Its just so deep in the society. Yeah. Gene and mara, both of you stay with us as our coverage continues. Weve been clearing the deck on all of this news and what it means. When we look at the protests themselves, which are part of this story, because thats also important what were seeing in the street. Were seeing a lot of different people join in. We have a big name thats been joining the atlanta protest. This was Atlanta Hawks head coach lloyd pierce, who chose to get involved and support at this moment, and i can say im pleased to mention that here on the beat, we have lloyd pierce joining us right now, sir. Thanks for making time. I know its a tough and busy time. First of all, how are you . Im doing well. Thank you for having me on. Absolutely. Were looking at foot an of you here speaking. Obviously, there are many different ways people engage their values in their communities over time. This today for you is a public reckoning. What did you want to get across today . Why is this important to you now and particularly in your community . Well, i think everything hits home, when it hits home, it impacts your local community when it happens on your doorstep. Obviously, with Rayshard Brooks, the incident that occurred friday night as struck atlanta in a different way. You know, i coach professional Basketball Team here in the city, and we have to model ourselves as citizens and leaders in trying to build trust and invest in our communities and trying to be the example. And normally, its through sport but we dont have sport and its not really that important. What is important is our Community Stay safe, educated and protected. Thats not happening. We saw that with Rayshard Brooks. And were all feeling the effects, especially as an africanamerican man, as an africanamerican coach, and coaches a lot of africanamerican men in a predominantly africanamerican city, that just doesnt sit right. When you look at this, and you look across the different leagues, do you feel that there is something that also needs to change in organized sports . Yeah. I mean, its part of it, obviously. I think this is a social issue that were its a historical issue of how africanamericans have been treated and viewed and looked at, as the gentleman was talking about. You know, were just not treated the same. And right now what were seeing is were not treated equally with regards to how Law Enforcement deals with africanamericans. And so in sports, the issue remains the same and you talked about the systemic side of things and how we go about that. I mean, thats every sector that you can think of in sports and entertainment and tv and radio. The narrative is the same. Let me press you a little bit. You mentioned leading as you said many black athletes, entrepreneurs in your community. Obviously its a different league, but you had the nfl come out and say i guess we got it wrong with kaepernick. Its hard to go ahead, youre laughing. Go ahead. Well, its selfreflecting. I think everybodys selfreflecting right now and looking in the mirror and saying, you know, the kaepernick issue was only about racial profiling and racial discrimination. It never was about the flag. And now, as you selfreflect and you see whats happening in our world, for some people, this is brand new. Kaepernick was trying to say it wasnt brand new. And many others who continue to fight for this are sharing the fact that its not brand new. As the gentleman says, for 401 years since the first slave ship arrived here, thats where it started and nothing has changed. Weve seen, because sports are such a part of american culture, but also a place where race can be addressed or sort of ignored, what seemed like the hypocrisy in the nfl was this critique of kaepernick and others saying, well, this is just sunday, people dont want you to bring quote unquote your politics to sunday. But what kaepernick and others were saying, this isnt politics. This is a peaceful protest against what he called murder. So how are you going to tell a person not to bring that . Im curious, because so many people do watch sports, if you have any hope where it could build your coalition, since you were out there today, it seems like youre a part of this. Thats my only mission. You know, ive never been in front of the senate or in front of congress, ive never been what i do have is a platform. And if people need to bring attention and light to this situation, and they need people with a platform to help them, thats what im hoping to land is my platform, our platform. As you mentioned, it has been ignored. There is no question, it has been ignored. And the only way its going to be brought up is if we keep the conversation going and the people that can keep the conversation going are the people with platforms. Is 100 . Lloyd pierce, very interesting getting your perspective. I want to thank you for coming on the beat, sir. Thank you for having me. Absolutely. I want to thank my other guests. Well fit in a break. As mentioned, we have so much in tonights show. There was a Historic Supreme Court ruling protecting lbgtq americans. And we also have our interview live with the chairman of the judiciary committee, jerry nadler coming up. Later, Health Officials in tulsa warning donald trump against holding his rally there. And later tonight, beyonce weighing in on another one of these important cases involving Breonna Taylor. Im ari melber. Youre watching the beat on msnbc. burke at farmers, we know how nice it is to save on your auto policy. 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