He is a heck no on trump care. Im a heck no on this. I think theyve got problems with the vote. Ive personally spoken to 29 of my conservative colleagues who are no on this as of today and were not even counting the moderate republicans who are a no. I think theyve got a lot of arm twisting to do between now and thursday if theyre going to pass this bill in the house. Does he sound scared to you . Because congressman massey was in the room today when donald trump came to the House Of Representatives to urge republicans to vote for the bill. Here is how congressman massey describes tough guy donald trump. Threatening and pushing around all those republicans who oppose the bill. He was very charming. There was some lighthearted jabs at his opponents in the room but it was all in good fun. Lighthearted jabs. That ought to do it. Thats what tough guy trump is delivering to republican opponents of his bill. Thomas massey doesnt claim to
be a tough guy the way donald trump does, but he certainly Doesnt Sound Afraid of the tough guy. And to listen to congressman massey, no republicans are. Hes been to kentucky once, and Vice President pence has been to kentucky once and its still not changing senator rand pauls mind or my mind. Im not sure what they can do to get the vote they need. President trump told them if they did not vote for the bill, they would face primary challenges in their districts. Again, congressman massey is not worried. Now, to your point about being in electoral trouble offer this vote, before i came over here to speak with you, i counselled my call log. I have 275 constituents who asked me to oppose this bill and only four who have asked me to support it. Known that from day one. Mark meadows won his last election with 64 of the vote. Mark meadows knows how to call calculate his chances. Ken, this is looking very difficult for paul ryan and donald trump in the House Of Representatives now. What im struck by is no one who comes out against this bill seems even slightly intimidated either by the speaker or the president. Yeah, theres a couple reasons for that, lawrence, i think. First of all, in this House Freedom caucus, you have folks that are just personally predisposed to opposing the leadership. Weve seen that time and again. So i dont think that either having the leadership or donald trump lean on them is
necessarily the ticket to getting them on board. Additionally, theres no evidence that trump would be able to leverage to actually go after gop house members. Tease are district by district battles, not National Media based Advertising Wars or air wars. As you cited in the runup there, the Health Care Bill is not particularly popular. So these folks are not going to face challenges from the right necessarily, let alone ones where donald trump would be a major factor in whipping up support for a primary challenger. Let listen to what Congressman David Brat told conservative caty tur today. Do you believe this vote is going to happen on thursday . Right now were aiming for it. Aiming for it sound like youre not very confident youre going to have it. I dont think theres the
votes. Theres 10 or 20 moderates and folks in tough races up in the Northeast Corridor that have coverage issues. So no. So its a problem right now. What does it mean to the Trump Presidency if the president loses his first big vote in the House Of Representatives . It would be huge, enormous. I was thinking about listening to trump make this case of not being able to persuade republicans, and i thought back to Ronald Reagan when he got his legislation through in the first year, and he had to apply pressure but that was because he had to convince democrats, not republicans. What youve got here is a weak president and an unpopular bill. Theyre having tough sledding. To see a republican president with a Republican Congress 60 days into his presidency have this amount of difficulty is extraordinary. Of course its an unprecedented
tremendous blowback. But the reason is that these are selfinflicted wounds by donald trump. He is a corrupt president and a corrupt man and it catching up to us. It not just the description, it the ineptness. It not just the investigation. Its the a this man just isnt up to being president and day after day, week after week, were seeing more and more evidence of that. I think its unnerving republicans. Ken, theres some speculation today that the drop in the stock market is related to what peter is now saying, that wall street is now getting that same kind of impress this presidency, that he is unbalanced and incompetent. What does that mean for thing about tax bill wall street is hoping for and all the
deregulation that wall street is hoping for . Thats a kind of valid question. They painted themselves in the corner by doing it as the first bill out. It just a super complicated issue. But additionally it want necessarily the one that he or the folks in his administration, in his inner circle, felt the most strongly about. They did feel more strongly about the a tax overhaul and some the deregulatory measure. The de they said the members of congress for six years, the republican members of congress had campaigned against my sources tell me there are folks inside the Administration O say
they wouldnt mind seeing this fail because they would see it as sort of a failure for paul ryan, who they believe put them in this position. Nont business, i agree with pete, it would be set back his entire agenda because some of these other. A quick last word on what you think if this bill either fails in the vote or if the speaker has to just take it down and not go to the vote on thursday, the potential damage to paul ryan. I think it would be a beg blow to ryan. I mean, this is his bill. He set it up. Hes pushing it. And trump has in a sense hinged connected himself to ryan, to that wagon. And if it crashes into the side of a hill, thats going to be very bad for ryan. But it would be bad for trump and it would be be bad for
entire republican party. It would signal to voers theyre not ready for primetime. Theyve got the senate, the house and the presidency and they cant govern. They cant pass what is sense and you know politic, victories build on themselves and so do defeats. If this goes down, this isnt the only issue theyll go down on. And there as within more night nairos and then those republicans who voted for it and compromised themselves in the house will have done that for nothing, trying to get them to do that once given on any other bill is going to be pretty tough, too. Ken vogel, peter wehner, thank you both for joining us tonight. Thank you. Coming up, the leader of a Physicians Group tells us hes never seen legislation that would do more harm to health
legislation that has ever been presented in congress concerning health care, according to a Physicians Group. Thats next. With advil, youll ask what Sinus Headache . What stiff joints . What time of the month cramps . What nighttime pain . Make all your pains a distant memory with advil the worlds 1 choice what pain . Advil. Not just the automobile, f tomorrow will transform but mobility itself. An autonomousthinking vehicle protecting those inside and out. And its the mercedesbenz of today that will help us get there. The 2017 eclass, with innovations no car has offered before. And that will change driving forever after. Lease the e300 for 549 a month at your local mercedesbenz dealer. Mercedesbenz. The best or nothing. Yesterday Robert Dougherty tweeted this in 38 years advocating for doctors, patients and doctors ive never seen a bill that will do more harm to health. He is a senior Vice President at the American College of physicians, americas second largest physician group. Last night he said verse 2. 0 is even worse. Medicaid block grants, work
mandate, ban on further expansion will harm the most vulnerable. And joining us now, Robert Dougherty. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. I want to start, first of all, with what you see as the differences in this 2. 0 version, the version of the bill that was hastily written yesterday and released last night. Sure, lawrence, and thank you for having me. The original bill was bad enough because it targeted the most Vulnerable People in our society, poorer and sicker people, particularly those on medicaid. In an effort to make sweeteners to attract more vote, they made it even worse for those people by putting a block grant aid, which means they would be Stuck Holding the tab and they would need to and then the work mandate, we believe health care is a right and people shouldnt
be forced to prove that they are able to work in order to have coverage. I want to go to something that donald trump said about physicians specifically and their reaction to the Affordable Care act. Lets listen to this. Many of our best and brightest are leaving the medical profession entirely because of obamacare. Obamacare has been a complete and total catastrophe and its getting worse and worse by the day and yet you watch the fake media, the fake news and they try and build it up. Its a disaster, fellas. Its a disaster. Your reaction to that, robert . Physicians have frustrations
with red tape and things like that, but that has nothing to do with the Affordable Care act or obamacare. The physicians i represent internal medicine doctors, the largest specialty in the United States are strongly committed to the idea that their patients should have access to Affordable Health care. What we know is that the bill that will be going to the House On Thursday would roll Back Coverage for millions of people and get particularly the most vulnerable and that really sticks in our craw. A society should put its greatest attention to supporting those who need help the most, the poor kids on medicaid, elderly on medicaid, Mental Health disorders who get coverage through medicaid and the idea of going after those people and taking the coverage away, to our members at the American College of physicians is unconscionable. You are getting some help from Rick Schneider who sent this letter to his delegation saying there are 1. 75 million
children, seniors, pregnant women and disabled individual served by traditional medicaid in michigan and roughly 104,000 of them reach side in your district. He wrote to u. S. Representative tim wahlberg in a letter saying that this legislation will adversely impact them. It seems that thats not something understood by a majority of the republicans in the house. Maybe so far. Were still hopeful the bill will not pass the House On Thursday or that speaker rife ryan will reconsider rushing ahead and rushing the legislation through. Clearly governors, governor kasich is another, who understand that medicare is crucial to the health of their resident and medicare expansion states like michigan, ohio, terminating that program would have terrible consequences for Vulnerable People, older and sicker people covered by medicaid right now. I think there are more and more republicans who are getting it, certainly the governors more and more are getting it but i do think you see more members of congress, members of congress that are having strong reservations at least with the plan thats being put forward for a vote on thursday. Yeah, i think from your experience you know when you see this kind of trouble getting through the house, theres probably even more trouble trying to get the same bill through the senate. Robert doherty, thank you for joining us. I really appreciate it. My pleasure. Up next, the Senate Confirmation hearing a Supreme Court justice. What you should be looking for in that hearing. Thats next. Various shouting heigh ho its off to work we go woman on the gulf coast, new exxonmobil projects are expected to create over 45,000 jobs. And each job created by the Energy Industry supports two others in the community. Altogether,
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it releases a Cooling Sensation in your mouth and throat. Zantac works in as little as 30 minutes. Nexium can take 24 hours. Try cool mint zantac. No pill relieves heartburn faster. Produced better justices than John Marshall or Oliver Wendell homes, both of whom did not have confirms hearings and had not been subject to fbi Background Checks because the fbi had not been invented yet. The first Senate Confirmation hearing was at the beginning of the 21st century when president wilson chose the first jewish nominee, louis brandeis, the supposed gentleman of the senate then were taken aback by a jewish nominee and decided we better slow this thing down and ask a few questions and so they had their first Confirmation Hearing. Louis brandeis was then confirmed and went on to become one of the great figures in american jurisprudence. There were only two more Confirmation Hearings before the Television Days and both to address suspected scandals and both were then confirmed. William o. Douglas was the longest Serving Member of theUnited StatesSupreme Court and possibly its most influential and its most liberal. Most liberal member ever. He lived a romantically scandalous life for his era as a Supreme Court justice. He was married four times while serving on the Supreme Court. Excerpts of an article he wrote appeared in ever green magazine, which was considered a mildly porn graphic magazine. It is impossible to imagine the longest serving justice in the history of the United StatesSupreme Court getting through a Senate Confirmation hearing today. And luckily for william o. Douglas, he didnt have to. Douglas reportedly sat outside the Judiciary Committees meeting room on the day he had heard his nomination was going to be discussed privately among the members, and he passed a handwritten note to the chairman saying do you have any questions for me . That note came back to Justice Douglas with the chairmans handwritten oneword reply no. And the republic survive and Justice Douglas wouldnt recognize what went on at the Judiciary Committee today. It is a game, steeped in a relatively short tradition that the press mistakenly thinks is a long tradition of judicial nominees refusing to comment on anything that you would ever expect a candidate for the United StatesSupreme Court to be able to discuss. Like, say, the single most famous case of the modern era, roe v. Wade. They pretend that cannot be discussed. The game of the judiciary is to pretend you dont have an opinion on the case everyone has an opinion about. Here is Clarence Thomas in his Confirmation Hearing in 1991
telling senator Patrick Leahy that even though roe v. Wade was decided when he was in law school, he neff talked about it, never formed an opinion about it. Have you ever had discussion of roe v. Wade other than in this room . In the 17 or 18 years its been there . Only i guess, senator, in the fact in the most general sense that other individuals expressed concerns one way or the other and you listen and you try to be thoughtful. If youre asking me whether or not ive ever debated the contents of it, the answer of that is, no, senator. Have you ever, pretty gatherings or otherwise, stated whether you felt that it was properly decided or not . Senator, in trying to recall
and reflect on that, I Dont Recollect commenting one way or the other. There were, again, debates about it in various places but i generally did not participate. I dont remember or recall participating, sir. Judging by pat leahys followup question, he didnt actually believe that answer. That was the moment i decided Clarence Thomas was willing to say anything and that was before anita hill came forward to accuse him of sexual harassment. Today neil gorsuch was willing to play the game. He couldnt possibly offer his o