Money can be used on abortion. That was assetaled assetaled issues get Florida State washington until today because of course, joe bidens been around long enough that he was in a position to have to vote on that and take a position on that as everyone did in the congress then. And so its back. As an issue. I got to say, i for one didnt see that coming an. I will tell you, i think that Vice President biden saying today his campaign saying today that he stands by that, that he Still Believes in the Hyde Amendment and still thinks thats good law, i think that is a position that will not outlive the democratic president ial primary. I think that women have led, i think Hillary Clinton on 2016 in 2016 led on the issue of the Hyde Amendment. The politics on this changed without Vice President biden noticing. The politics on this be have radically changed and if he sticks with that, hes going to drag that like an albatross around his neck with Democratic Women voters. I think that position is going to change. It is fascinating because in the biden time in the senate, it was as you looked on as something that actually protected democrats because they always got to say, being prochoice democrats, that no federal money was used for abortion. So it was used as kind of a political shield by democrat. It was. Then Hillary Clinton blew it up because the way the Hyde Amendment works in real life is incredibly discriminatory in terms of reproductive rights access for different types of women in this country. She took that on and i think she undid those years of democrats using that as a shield and trying to avoid the argument. And that is what broke the dam on it when clinton did that. I think biden didnt notice and hes going to get destroyed on that issue by his fellow candidates in the first debate. Im guessing. But well see. Its very clear one of the big challenges for the Biden Campaign is staying agile enough to not just 21st century politics but what is now going to be 2020 politics. Yes. Its a different ball game as you say from 2016 or 2008. Yeah, and it reminds me of that alexanderdryio oh cassio cortes tweet back at joe lieberman, new part who dis. Women have a different idea about that now and the women are leaving the party. It will be fascinating see thank you, rachel. We have highlights you have Elizabeth Warrens town hall in indiana tonight with chris hayes including what some trump voters had to say. The House Judiciary Committee is under tremendous pressure these days on the question of impeachment but the committee is proving they can legislate and investigate at the same time. A House Judiciary Committee bill went to the house floor yesterday and passed with 237 votes. It provides legal status for dreamers and a path to citizenship, some republicans actually vote ford that bill. And then today we learned that President Trump has new cruelties planned for the children being held at the southern border. No more english classes, no more playing psychotic o soccer. Youll want to hear the passion that freshman effective congressman joe nagoose brought to this subject on the house floor. We will show that you video from the house floor at the end of this hour and the congressman will join us, he is a member of the House Judiciary Committee. We will ask him about the crucial question of impeachment that the committee is now face. Republican president ial candidate bill weld, former governor of massachusetts and a former federal prosecutor will also join us tonight. We will ask him if he supports impeachment proceedings against President Trump. And we begin tonight with the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee jerry nadler who has expressed new confidence today that Robert Mueller will testify to his committee. In an interview with nbc news, chairman nadler said this. Mueller bringing him in . Lets just say that im confident hell come in soon. Does a subpoena need to make that happen. We may. We will if we have to. How much longer will you wait. Not too much. Later in an interview, chairman nadler said it may very well come to a form. Impeachment inquiry. We will see. Today an House Speaker nancy pelosi was asked if she was feeling pressure from the several democratic president ial candidates who now support impeaching the president. I guess we dont have that. Im going to read there for you. Nancy pelosi was asked about that and an shea said well, first of all, the chairman she said shes very proud of the work that the Committee Chairmen are doing. She said this fall ans to the Judiciary Committee. And then she said that where they go from here is one step at a time. Nancy pelosi continued to make those very careful statements that she has been making about impeachment without committing to impeachment but she said we know exactly what actions we need to take. Those were her final words on that subject. There are now 61 members of the house of representatives including one republican hob have made public statements in favor of starting impeachment proceedings against President Trump. We dont know how many silent members of the house are in favor of it. Half of the 24 democrats in the House Judiciary Committee now support impeachment inquiry. A now Morning Consult poll out today shows that 38 of americans believe that congress should start impeachment proceedings against the president and 48 believe that congress should not. In a new article in gq entitled. The political costs of not impeaching trump, former Senate Staffer add many gentle son writesnism ands Approval Rating was at 65 when his impeachment process began and only 19 of the public supported his impeachment. By the end, the numbers had flipped. His approval was 24 and support for impeachment was 57 . Tonight, when an indiana voter asked senator Elizabeth Warren about impeachment, she said this. The Mueller Report came out and the afternoon it came out, i read it all afternoon. I read it all night and i read it into the next morning. All 448 pages. I got to the end and there were three things that are just man, theres no avoiding them. Part one, a hostile Foreign Government attacked our 2016 elections for the purpose of getting donald trump elected. Part 2, then candidate donald trump welcomed that help. And part 3, when the federal government tried to investigate part 1 and part 2, donald trump as president delayed, deflected, moved, fired, and did everything he could to obstruct justice. If he were any other person in the United States, based on whats documented in that report, he would be carried out in handcuffs. Now i took an oath of office not to donald trump. Not to any president. I took an oath of office to the constitution of the United States of america. And that constitution says no one is above the law. Including the president of the United States. I bet that this is politically tough, i get it. But some things are bigger than politics. And this matters for our democracy. Not just now, butted you the next president and the next president and the next president. We have a constitutional responsibility here. And thats to start impeachment proceedings. Tonight, the question is what is happening in the house of representatives . And there is a new report in politico tonight at this hour saying that, and im quoting from the report about chairman nadler and Speaker Pelosi disagree about this. Politico says nadler pressed pelosi to allow his committee to launch an impeachment inquiry against trump, the second such request hes made in recent weeks. Only to be rebuffed by the california democrat and other senior leaders. Pelosi stood firm reiterating that she isnt open to the idea of impeaching trump at this time. So, are democrats waiting for the voters to come to impeachment or are the democrats leading the voters toward impeachment for the view from inside of house of representatives were fortunate to be joined by a Senior Member of the house, a veteran of the clinton impeachment proceedings are, Texas Democrat lloyd dougette, a member of the powerful house and ways and means committee. Also with us, Adam Jentleson. Congressman doggett, let me begin with you and your reaction to this reporting in poe at this time lit cothat indicates that chairman nadler has basically been trying to get the okaying from Speaker Pelosi to move to impeachment proceedings and Speaker Pelosi is opposing that. Is that your understanding of where it stands tonight . Well, i havent verified that report or talked with him since flying out today. But you know, personally ive come to the conclusion and not eagerly and not quickly, that instituting impeachment proceedings is what we must do. And i believe that a majority of the Judiciary Committee feels that way and perhaps chairman nadler who has done an extraordinary job is reflecting not only his own views but that of his committee. I came to that conclusion because i dont see our actions thus far as being Effective Response to the total obstruction of the trump administration. And i think the clip you just showed of senator warren who is always articulate and powerful supped it up well. We have a duty to the constitution and a duty to our democracy that we must fulfill not only because donald trump appears have engaged in criminal conduct but because were setting the precedent for future president s. Congressman doggett, im sure you have a high degree of sympathy for democrats especially newly elected democrats in swing district who have taken seats away from republicans that could easy by go back to republicans in another election. A democrat from texas in the house of representatives knows that theres another party out there obviously there used to be a lot more democrats from texas in the house of representatives. How do you see the politics of this for those colleagues of yours in those swing districts who run that risk, who have to calculate much more carefully what this would mean to republicans in their district and republicans who could otherwise be willing to continue to support that democratic member . Well, i know that whole issue figures prominently in the speakers thinking. 31 democrats in districts that trump carried very concerned about not only replacing trump ultimately but insuring that we have a Democratic Congress finally that can respond to a new president and move forward on the issues we all care about so much. You know, i think the effect is mixed. But my experience has always been that if you stood firmly and clearly for your principles and defined them, that people would respect them, even at a time of Great Division like there i believe that most of my colleagues in those districts who are forceful, who explain clearly and who we begin to lay out to the public were always told, well the senate will never convict. I think we have a responsibility to do the proceeding if we conclude that impeachment is appropriate. The final judgment is not only that of the senate, but of the American People who may be the ultimate voters on this issue in november of next year and they need to be fully informed about all the crimes that the president apparently committed. Adam jentleson, the kind calf Political Considerations that i was just raising that we know have been raised with the speaker about the risks involved for democrats moving toward impeachment and how that could risk the positions of Democratic House members in swing districts, that is countered by you your new piece about the risk, the Political Risk youre talking about, the Political Risk of not impeaching donald trump. What is that risk for the democrats. If you want to put it purely in political terms which i do, the risk is low turnout. Thats what youre talking about here, the risk is that we spend the time between now and election day which is 17 months having these kind of political stories about disagreements with the caucus rather than yiping to use the power the House Democrats have and wield it effective lili to hold trump accountable. I wrote about my experience in the senate when the Merrick Garland was up for confirmation and mcconnell blocked him. There were extreme measures we could have taken but we looked at the plos that showed Hillary Clinton confidently beating donald trump and we said lets not rock the boat. Lets not dolts anything extreme. Well win the election and Hillary Clinton will send her Supreme Court nominee to be confirmed by a democratic smat. It didnt work out that way. When you have the opportunity to wield power against your opponent politically, you should use it. Dong cress man dog yet, adam makes the point in his piece that one of the biggest risks politically that the democrats did run in their current posture is the risk of looking weak by the failure to take action. I think adam has a very important article. The focus has been mostly on what would the cost be to democrats of impeaching and not enough on the cost of failing to do our job and sitting on our hands. We were elected to defend the constitution and our democracy. And to tand up to donald trump when hes wrong. The evidence out there is really far reaching. And i think we need to do our job not sit on our hands. Theres no reason that we cannot continue to attempt to legislate as we did this week as you noted very important action on the dream act as we have done week after week in sending bills to the senate that the senate will probably sit on. But thats not a reason to avoid our responsibility to protect the democracy by demanding some accountability from this president. Adam, it seems the democrats Many Democrats in the leadership anyway are using the experience of the clinton impeachment and thats something that congressman doggett sat through in the house of representatives and their lesson is that the clinton impeachment didnt work, bill clinton, the republicans failed politically on that and bill clinton remained popular. What are your lessons from the clinton impeachment that you would apply here and would not apply here . I mean look, the main lesson that i think is safe to apply in most circumstances is getting il peached is bad. Its not a good thing to happen to a president. The clinton situation was different than what we have now because bill clinton was popular, ken similar was not. The public thought starr was on a fishing expedition and thought bill clinton was being treated unfairly. That is economy different where you have a president loss historically unpopular and Robert Mueller who the Robert Mueller who the public has been fair. We do know clintons heir apparent al gore went on to lose an election he could have won given that he was inheriting a booming economy so theres an argument that it played out negatively politically in that respect. Bup the closest analogy is the nixon situation where the evidence against nixon was severe and it was overwhelming. And it took a president who was at 65 down out of office. 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