Definitely will not change the results in the Senate Campaigns because the recount is only of president ial votes. At the end of this hour well be joined by Raphael Warnock, democratic candidate for senate in georgia. He came in first in a field of over 20 candidates in last weeks voting in that race for that republican seat now being held by republican senator Kelly Loeffler. Election day now is set for january 5th for the runoff. Raphael warnock will join us at the end of this hour. The two Senate Campaigns in georgia will determine which Party Controls the United States senate. And thats why Raphael Warnock getting tonights last word is so important. As we approach that january 5th runoff. And as we complete this recordbreaking fifth day of silence from donald trump, the restoration of sanity is fully under way with the selection of ron klain as the next white house chief of staff. I suppose i should be more careful with the word next because with 70 days left donald trump still has time to fire his fourth white house chief of staff and perhaps a fifth and a sixth. But ron klain will be the white house chief of staff beginning at 12 00 noon on january 20th and he will be the most qualified white house chief of staff in the history of that position. Ron klain will be the white house chief of staff whose past Work Experience in the white house in multiple roles means he will need less onthejob training than any Previous White House chief of staff. It doesnt mean he will be the best white house chief of staff we have ever seen. That depends on his performance in what everyone knows is the most difficult job in washington. But it does mean that sanity is being restored to the white house because qualifications matter again. Donald trump has had four white house chiefs of staff, each of them unqualified for that position. Each of them disgraced themselves in that position by publicly lying for donald trump. Each of them was the worst possible white house chief of staff until the next one turned out to be even worse. And now comes ron klain. A summa cum laude graduate of Harvard Law School who served as a Supreme Court clerk before becoming chief counsel to the Senate Judiciary committee overseeing the confirmation of Supreme Court justices and all federal judges. Then serving as chief of staff to attorney general janet reno in the Justice Department. Then moving to the white house as chief of staff to Vice President al gore. And then served as chief of staff to Vice President to the Vice President once again when joe biden became Vice President in 2009. President obama named ron klain as his white house Ebola Response coordinator at the height of a frightening Public Health crisis that ron klain and president obama managed to control. There is no ron klain in the Trump Administration. There are incompetent buffoons whose highest hope is that they make it to dancing with the stars like sean spicer did. There are corrupt profiteers like the president himself. And there are pathological liars like the president himself. One of those pathological liars has been installed at the Justice Department this week by donald trump for the remaining 70 days of havoc that donald trump might try to bring to that department. Retired Army Brigadier general anthony tata, who has called president Obama A Muslim and a terrorist leader, cannot do any serious damage to the pentagon in 70 days. There are too many smart people there to stop him. And if he tries to do that, he will go to prison because on january 21st the Inspector General of what will then be the Biden Defense Department and the inspectors general of every department of the federal government will begin investigating everything that the trump crew has been up to. Everything. Every big and little thing. And the inspectors general will refer any criminal findings to the biden Justice Department for investigation by the fbi and prosecution by the biden Justice Department. And so its all over. The reign of the corrupt is over. The reign of the incompetent is over. And if they try anything on the way out the door, joe biden and ron klain are going to assemble a team that will track them down and make them pay. Now, most traditional observers and respecters of the transition process are outraged understandably at Donald Trumps behavior in losing this election. I count myself among the traditional respecters of the transition process. But i for one am grateful, i mean grateful, for the disgraceful marker that donald trump is leaving for history. The marker that i predicted he would. Never giving a concession speech. Not facilitating the transition. Not attending the inauguration of joe biden. None of those things will endanger this country in any way. None of those things will worsen the reputation of this country in any way. Whose reputation could not be more damaged internationally than it was four years ago when the Electoral College handed over the presidency to the person who came in second in the vote. Donald trump is not tarnishing our International Reputation now by what he has done since election day. It is impossible for donald trump to make our International Reputation any worse than he has already made it for four years. No one in the world is surprised that donald trump is behaving badly. All of our most powerful and important allies are calling joe biden and congratulating him on his win. Today added to that list were the leaders of australia, japan, and south korea calling in their congratulations to president elect of the United States joe biden. South koreas very existence depends on the president of the United States. South korea does not fear Donald Trumps wrath about placing a congratulatory call to joe biden because south korea knows its all over for donald trump. Five days. Five full days and nights of silence from donald trump. The man who wants to hear his own voice more than anyone alive has not allowed you to hear his voice for five days and nights for the first time in the history of his political career. Silence. The silence is the concession speech. The concession was never going to be words. Not from donald trump. The silence is the concession speech. Take it for the gift that it is. Five full days and nights of your life without the sound of that voice. If you were dancing in the streets this weekend, you should still be dancing in the streets because nothing bad has happened since then. Yes, donald trump being president is dangerous, but that is not a new danger. And i promise, ill tell you, as soon as i see something dangerous happen in this transition. 140,000 people a day getting infected with covid19 is the real danger this country is facing. Not the petulant president whose days are numbered. Now, many people are scared by things that they havent seen before. Thats understandable. But dont be scared by Donald Trumps silence. It is the silence of a terrified man who is desperately trying to raise money online on the lie that he has not yet lost the president ial election. It is the silence of a man constantly sending out the neediest emails in political history, with pathetic subject lines like i need you right now. All to trick gullible people out of their money. It is the silence of a man who is terrified of what his life will become on january 20th. He will spend next year as a defendant in important civil lawsuits against him and possibly as a criminal defense in new york state. He will leave the white house under a cloud of pardons for his associates, for his children, and most importantly for himself. And he only has a couple of weeks left to try to trick people out of their money, to pretend to fight the result of a president ial election that has been decided. In just nine days georgia will finish its recount and certify the Election Results on november 20th. Three days later pennsylvania will certify their Election Results. Michigan will certify their Election Results on the same day. And the day after that nevada will certify their Election Results. Arizona comes six days after that. Then wisconsin. And with every certified election result Donald Trumps ability to raise money continues to collapse. And on december 14th when the Electoral College votes, donald trump will only be able to raise money from people who believe the earth is flat. The judges hearing Donald Trumps election lawsuits do not like what they are hearing because they are not hearing real lawsuits brought about real issues. A pennsylvania judge questioned trump lawyer Jonathan Goldstein about an allegation of fraud involving a grand total of 592 ballots. The judge said, i am asking you a specific question, and i am looking for a specific answer. Are you claiming that there is any fraud in connection with these 592 disputed ballots . Goldstein, to my knowledge at present, no. End of case. The Detroit Free Press reports that affidavits from more than 100 people included in a new republican lawsuit filed in michigan federal court, do not provide evidence of widespread fraud or egregious misconduct. Donald trump knows that all of the lawsuits are hopeless. But he needs republican lawyers to continue to get embarrassed in courtrooms day after day so that he can continue to try to trick gullible people out of their money. Leading off our discussion tonight, Michigan Attorney general dana nessel. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. Really appreciate it. Can you update us on the socalled legal controversies in michigan if any are actual real legal controversies . Well, i guess it depends on what your opinion is of a real legal controversy. I will say that we have had an onslaught of litigation just since this morning when i was asked to be on the show weve had more lawsuits come in. One most recently asking to throw out the votes of three of our biggest counties, which would disenfranchise voters of 1. 2 Million People in our state. And all of that without any affidavits or anything alleging any specifics. I mean, so many of these lawsuits are so frivolous, so lacking in merit or any factual reality that i think normally an attorney would be sanctioned for having filed these lawsuits and might even be disciplined, might even be held in contempt in some sort for having brought them. But what i will say is that the Trump Administration has a spotless record in that they have lost every single case that has been heard thus far and i believe that theyll continue on in their losing streak as long as they continue to file the kind of baseless claims that they are now making here in our state. Does the attorney general, do you have a role in these cases . I know who i see who the plaintiffs sides but whos the defendants side in these cases in michigan . . Well, there have been a number of different defendants who actions have been filed against. Sometimes its the secretary of state, who my department defends. Or the state board of canvassers who my office also defends. Sometimes it would be wayne county. The wayne county clerk. Or even the city of detroit or the city of detroits clerk. So they have filed a number of different actions against a number of different defendants, but really with one primary goal, and that is to stop the election from being certified either at the county level, and specifically counties that went for biden in very large percentages, or to stop the state board of canvassers from certifying the election so that essentially it would create a situation potentially, i guess, that the slate of electors could be faithless and the state legislature, which is held by republicans, majority republicans in both the house and senate, could send faithless electors to washington, d. C. But of course thats predicated on the election not being certified, and hopefully that will not occur. But they would have to pass new legislation signed by the governor because the legislature has handed over their ability to name electors to the voters through legislation. So thats only correctible through legislation. And thats true in all 50 states. So thats not going to happen anywhere. Well, obviously, we dont think thats going to happen. And we hope that the people of michigan have spoken loudly and clearly and if you recall back in 2016 while trump won the state of michigan, it was barely over 10,000 votes. But of course the democrats, you know, they didnt respond by filing multiple pieces of litigation and lawsuits. They didnt respond by claiming that there was fraud in the system. What democrats did was they found new candidates, they organized, and in 2018 they won all the major elections in the state of michigan and did pretty well in 2020 as well. They didnt attack the system. They just improved their game. But unfortunately, thats not the tack that the republicans have taken. But i have every confidence that this election will be certified and that the person who overwhelmingly won this state, which is of course joe biden, will be certified and that all 16 of our electors will be representing joe biden and his candidacy because he is truly the winner of the state of michigan. Michigan attorney general dana nessel, thank you very much for starting off our discussion tonight. Really appreciate it. Thanks for having me. Thank you. Were joined now by renee graham, an opinion columnist and associate editor at the boston globe. And renee, i know that my i dont know what you call it. Nonchalance about Donald Trumps behavior now is unusual. I know that cable news is filled with banners saying alarming and dangerous and scary. But it turns on the notion that its somehow scary that donald trump is violating a norm, which he has done every single day since he came down the escalator. Well, thats the interesting thing about a lot of this, lawrence, is the sense is that donald trump is attacking democracy. Hes attacked democracy since he was a candidate. He was talking about voter fraud and rigged elections when he was still running for office. So this is just pretty much a continuation of the same. What we have now, because weve only got hes got 70 days left in his tenure, is this is the mad scene in this tragic opera at this point. This is the mad king trying anything he can to stave off reality. But hes got millions of people helping him do that. You know, so hes got people looking for fraud, looking for this, and all theyre really finding is Donald Trumps reflection. Lets listen to what john fetterman, Lieutenant Governor of pennsylvania, had to say about this. Math doesnt care about his feelings, doesnt care about anyones feelings. The math in pennsylvania is damning for the president. The bottom line is that there is no truth to any of this. And at some point we all have to collectively accept that yelling voter fraud when there is no evidence whatsoever of it is yelling fire in a crowded theater and it is harming the democratic franchise of our country and the peaceful transition of power and we cannot accept that. Renee graham, if donald trump yelled fire in a thaertd theate was in i wouldnt move. I wouldnt leave my seat. I wouldnt even be slightly concerned. I probably wouldnt either. Heres the problem. You have all of these people who have looked upon the most mendacious president in American History as the last arbiter of truth. And theres nothing true about anything hes saying. Again, hes doing now what hes done for the last four years. He is lying. He is stalling. He is making things up. He is throwing out conspiracy theories. He has got nothing left in the tank. This is it. You can you dont have to appreciate math, but math is math. Its not going to change. He lost. He failed. He simply cant accept that. It doesnt matter whether or not he accepts it. The facts are the facts. And we all know how this president feels about facts. But thats irrelevant. Its over. But hes going to continue to drag this country through broken glass because he just cant accept the fact that he lost. Renee, about 22 of american voters, americans of voter age, ever see twitter at all ever. I actually havent seen Donald Trumps tweets this week and ive been looking at twitter a fair amount. What i care about is his silence, is his inability to stand in front of a microphone in front of a camera and say a single word. We havent heard a single word from him for five full days. He set a new record today after setting a record yesterday of trump silence. Do you miss that voice . I dont. I do not. Im happy hes saying nothing. Right . What could he possibly say . How many more ridiculous press conferences do we want to sit through . You know, where hes going to claim make claims that are blatantly untrue. Its just too much. Maybe someones got in his ear and simply said mr. President , youre not helping your cause. But at the end of the day theres nothing he can say. Better he stays hidden. Be