Clearly hasnt. Its good to see that rachel is staying in shape and is ready to go as soon as shes clear from quarantine. Thank you for that. That was great. I have to thank you for Something Else because something very special just happened in your interview with andrew weissmann, and it shows us one of, i think, the benefits of the way this work has changed. Most things are worse because of the pandemic, but one thing that i think is better is that the guests on these programs get to stay at home, which leads to yep. Questions like, is that an animal over your shoulder, which, ali, thats the best question that is the best question of the night here at msnbc. Its not going to get me an emmy, lawrence, but it was a fun question. You got tonights emmy with that question, and ive got to say ive been doing this for a few years. I have yet to ask, is that an animal over your shoulder . So that was a first for me. Have a good night, lawrence. Ill enjoy the show. Thank you. Well, the breaking news of this hour is that two biden transition officials are telling nbc news that a few current and former Trump Administration officials have reached out privately to the biden transition team. Now, this outreach was described as not a big deal. Those were the words used not a big deal, by biden transition sources, and they stress that this outreach is not in any way a replacement for the National Security and covid briefings and other legitimate transition processes that the Trump Administration is refusing to provide to the biden harris transition team. The biden harris transition is not yet officially under way because emily murphy is lying. Emily murphy has been lying every day for 11 days in a row. Emily murphy is the donald trump appointee who is now the administrator of the General Services administration after serving in republicanstaffed positions in washington for several years. Emily murphy is lying with her silence because it is emily murphys sworn duty under law, under a law called the president ial transition act of 1963, to sign her name to the document that officially begins the transition process to the biden harris administration. The law orders the gsa administrator to sign that document as soon as there is what the law calls an apparent successful candidate in the president ial election. The law specifies that, for example, every News Organization calling the president ial election for joe biden is a more than adequate identification of an apparent winner to trigger the official beginning of the transition. And for 11 days now, emily murphys refusal to sign the document authorizing the transition means that she is silently lying to this country and the world. Emily murphy is telling the lie that there is no apparent winner in the president ial election. On monday, joe biden said that what emily murphy is doing means more people may die. Those were his words, more people may die. Today in a meeting with Health Care Workers, president elect joe biden said this. One of the problems that were having now is the failure of the administration to recognize the law says that the General Services administration has a person who recognizes who the winner is, and then they have to have access to all the data and information that the government possesses to be prepared. And it doesnt require there to be an absolute winner. It says the apparent winner, the apparent winner. And weve been unable to get access to the kinds of things we need to know, and theres a whole lot of things that are just we just dont have available to us, which unless its made available soon, were going to be behind by weeks or months being able to put together the whole initiative relating to the biggest promise we have with two Drug Companies coming along and finding 95 effectiveness, efficiency in the vaccines, which is enormous promise. So i just want to tell you thats the only slowdown right now that we have. More people may die because of emily murphy. The first person emily murphy sent out to lie for her was her governmentpaid spokesperson, Pamela Pennington, who said three days after joe biden became the apparent winner, quote, an ascertainment has not yet been made, and its administrator will continue to abide by and fulfill all requirements under the law. That is a lie. Pamela pennington lied for emily murphy, who is not abiding by and fulfilling all requirements under the law. Emily murphy is violating all of the requirements under the law, and Pamela Pennington is lying about that for emily murphy. No one else emily murphy has sent out to lie for her has been willing to have their names become public, and so hiding behind their status as anonymous sources, friends of emily murphy are now telling reporters lies like this. Emily is a consummate professional, a deeply moral person, but also a very excuse me lus attorney who is in a very difficult position with an unclear law and precedence that is behind her stance. Every bit of that is a lie. The inspector generals findings about emily murphy prove that she is the opposite of a consummate professional. She is not a very scrupulous attorney because she is violating a federal law and should face possible disbarment proceedings for that. There is nothing unclear in the law, and there is absolutely no precedent for what emily murphy is doing. And as to emily murphy being a deeply moral person, tell that to the many people who may die because of emily murphy. Heres Something Else emily murphys friends get to say under the cloak of anonymity to reporters now. Shes doing what she believes is her honest duty as someone who has sworn true allegiance to the constitution of the United States of america and the laws that govern her position. Emily murphy did swear true allegiance to the constitution, and she violates that oath every day. Emily murphy is refusing to say whether shes been in communication with donald trump about refusing to authorizie th transition, an illegal act. But its not up to donald trump. The law gives full responsibility and full authority to emily murphy to authorize the transition. If donald trump is ordering emily murphy to not authorize the transition while the law is ordering her to authorize the transition, that choice is very, very easy for anyone who has ever lived by their oath of office. When i worked in the senate i knew hundreds of people, including elected officials and staff members, including democrats and including republicans, who would know exactly what to do if they had to choose between an illegal order and their oath of office. They would do the right thing. They would follow the law. They would do what Christopher Krebs did. Donald trump fired Christopher Krebs last night because Christopher Krebs told the truth about this election and said it was the most secure election in our history. Donald trump appointed Christopher Krebs to be the director of the cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency. Christopher krebs took an oath of office to do that job, and when he had to choose between what donald trump wanted and his oath of office, it was easy for Christopher Krebs, easy. He chose the truth. He lived by his oath of office, and im sure Christopher Krebs doesnt consider himself a hero tonight. Im sure for him, it was an easy choice. For heroes, it never feels like heroism because they dont think they have a choice. They think doing the right think is the only thing they can do. Emily murphy works for donald trump. Shes not supposed to. Shes supposed to work for you, but tragically for this country and the world, emily murphy sees herself as someone who works for donald trump, and shes always been willing to do what donald trump wants her to do. But for the last 11 days, emily murphy has become the most valuable player for a lot more people around the world than just donald trump. Just, just think about how pleased Vladimir Putin is with emily murphy tonight. Here is president obamas former National Security adviser susan rice earlier today on msnbc with andrea mitchell. This is the most irresponsible leadership during a transition that i think any of us have seen in our lifetimes, if not in the history of the republic. When you have the president of the United States daily, constantly discrediting the election, pouring doubt on the results, false doubt, false doubt, that not only misinforms a huge segment of our population and corrodes trust in our democracy and our institutions themselves, but makes us a laughingstock around the world and does great damage to the democratic model, which is why im quite sure that Vladimir Putin is doing a happy dance in moscow as we speak. Leading off our discussion tonight is samantha power, president obamas former ambassador to the united nations. She is the author of the New York Times bestseller the education of an idealist. One of the most beautifully written memoirs of anyone who has served in government. Samantha power, ambassador power, thank you very much for joining us tonight. I want to begin with your reaction to what we saw develop with Christopher Krebs over the last 24 hours and him simply taking the principal stand which, for him im sure, felt like no choice, and then the result of that with donald trump. Well, i have been tracking the work of that office in the department of Homeland Security for some time and have been really struck and really impressed by its rigor, by its technical proficiency, by the fact, as you say, more recently in a more highprofile way by the fact that it plays it straight and just goes by the facts. Ive also been tracking it, wondering when the hammer was going to come down because when you have an agency that operates in those ways, you know, that hasnt gone down very well, whether it comes to the Environmental Protection agency or the state department or even President Trumps prior National Security advisers. If you tell the truth, if you stand up to the president , if you depart from the latest tweets, often that means the end of your career in government. And so credit Christopher Krebs, who throughout the preelection period was reaching out to state election officials, was working with his fbi colleagues in order to try to keep state election infrastructure protected and to ensure that flares were raised when there were threats like those posed by russia and iran, which both men and their agencies brought forward. And then is that was their job to tell the facts as they saw them. Krebs must have known based on the treatment of his administration and colleagues that i mentioned that this was ultimately going to mean his career and thats what happened. Lets pick up on the point that susan rice made earlier today and the way Vladimir Putin is looking at this transition now and the illegal delay in the orderly transition. What does it mean to people like Vladimir Putin out there and people who want to actively do harm to the United States, terrorist organizations, what are they seeing in this . This brings your two questions together. Krebs, the fbi, they did such important work, such difficult work keeping the election safe, protecting the vote his intention was to cast doubt on hillary clinton. Even he didnt think donald trump would pull out a victory. Taking advantage of our polarizations and making americans doubt whether the election would be safe. Putin was denied bio officials like krebs and the fbi. Who does the bidding and seeks to achieve the very thing a foreign actor sought to achieve. Russia has kept interfering since 2016. Who does that bidding . The president of the United States. It is more outrageous than i can find. What can you tell us about the National Intelligence briefing. I know the discussion was closed to reporters. About the needs of a transition. It was so refreshing to be in the presence of the president elect with his vision, deep curiosity as they were happening beyond the borders as they relate to welfare and his dedication thinking through from the vote from the Public Health standpoint and fall out. Thats not going to be possible until the pandemic is given elsewhere as well. Just to be with a person of such indeg rite. Curious and wanted to dig in about the level of preparedness for the set of threats. He recognized what was different in the inbox four years in donald trump years is not four years. There is some dog year version of this. You have to multiply that. He knows that. I think the briefing was immensely thorough. People who orchestrated the bin laden raid. Intelligence professionals. People that he could engage with about what was likely to be coming down the guideline. This was no substitute for the kind of people serving in the government have uniquely. There you could inform the president elect about threats and dangers. What needs to be done to get to as many people as we need. Thats the briefing he needs. Thank you. We really fresh it. Thank you, lawrence. We have a programming note. Here for the full hour. The author of a new book. Praum in discussion with Jonathan Cape hart for the full hour here. And hell join us after this break. Along with Washington Posts robyn who has written the best he is a about the president who is working on his golf swing while the death toll rises. Join us next. Downy helps prevent stretching by conditioning fibers, so clothes look newer, longer. Downy and its done. burke stomer happy anniversary. customer for what . burke every year youre with us, you get fifty dollars toward your home deductible. 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How is that for White Privilege in a brilliant piece in the Washington Post today where she writes, trumps refusal to concede or at least stop obstructing a peaceful transition of power can be described as many things above all else a tremendous display of the deference a foshded to this man. A man who also happens to be white and wealthy. He has been able to muster the breathless support. White male privilege is powerful. It overrides facts. It excuses horrendous behavior. It skaults the unqualified. Joining us now is the wriert of that piece, robyn and jonathan, pin writer for the Washington Post. Jonathan will be interviewing former president obama here tomorrow night at 10 00 p. M. For the full hour. Robin, let me begin with you and this way you have focused our thinking about what we are looking at. Never speaking a word to the republic, having conclusively lost the election but not being asked to ever admit that by any republicans in washington. Yeah, for me, what was particularly striking was that White Privilege has benefitted the president. Two things really seem to be disstilled and concentrated for this particular time when so many people over the coronavirus has so intensified. The president has essentially gone missing. The only times weve seen him substantially has been on the golf course. It also seems like the only reason he was being coddled and given so much deference and patience is not because of anything of pact but simply because it was his privilege. Jonathan, there is another line robin has that goes after this privilege and focuses in a way that is so important. She says, in truth, trump doesnt even look like hes having a particularly good time golfing, he seems to be avoiding the dreadfulness of his responsibilities. Such is his privilege. That line, the entire column is why robin is one of the best political writers out there. And why i tweeted it was a mustread column. Robin nailed it. In addition to what he said, hes just given up on the sher raid of actually working. There have been a lot of stories about how many times hes gone to his golf courses and gone to maralago and traveling all over the country and doing these big proclamations and watching television and live tweeting fox news. Now with th