Advisory council for donald trump. And im going to start with you. You worked for a former president who i think a lot of people may be missing right now as they see where the Republican Party has gone. But it is interesting that who you dont have out there for donald trump includes, we know George Herbert walker bush has not been well but his son, the former president george w. Bush, john mccain who was a former republican president ial candidate. You dont have mitt romney. You dont seem to have the alist heavy weight republicans out there for trump. Why is that . Well, i think its because of the candidacy of donald j. Trump. Surrogates in the surrogate game is one of addition, not subtraction. He is shedding surrogates and credible voices to go around the country and talk for him when he should be adding them. New voices, different voices. Thats not happening. And its a problem for his campaign. Not only not having the former president s. Well have the current president of the United States stumping for Hillary Clinton. Joe biden. Really the alist of the Democratic Party out there in full force. Does it send a message down the ticket that the party is not fully on board with the candidate . Isnt it problematic that all of these nonwhite republicans who manage to win statewide office, the nikki haleys, Suzanna Martinez if they could go out there and stump for their candidate. Theyre not there. Isnt that problem atuc . We cant say all. Im certainly a nonwhite republican who is stumping very hard for donald trump. Your previous guest just insulted me because weve gone very down the list of surrogates. Im one of themp. But i would say this. In the campaign, were almost proud that some of those republicans arent on our team because, guess what . Were not part of the establishment. Were not part of the crooked, d. C. Crony establishment. Republican and democrat. That has made most of americans lives less safe and less prosperous. If you want to talk about mitt romney, john mccain, a couple people who lost disastrously. If you want to talk about even george w. Bush and ill be bipartisan in my criticism. Most americans report is had a pay raise in this century since the year 2000. The policies on this administration, the policies of the Previous Administration are not working for most americans. What donald trump has done is said we have a resounding new way and were going to include the Republican Party, of course. But we are more than anything not antidemocrat. Were antiwashington. Were antiestablishment. And ill ask you this as a strategist. Its fine to sort of run against washington. But if you dont have the speaker of the house who won his primary very handily against a protrump opponent. So what steve is saying is they dont need them. You dont need the governor of ohio, john kasich in a state of ohio where essentially he controls the apparatus of get out the vote . You dont need the governor of ohio . You dont need these guys . It depends on the strategy. As we heard the surrogate talk about, the strategy is to put up the current nominee, donald trump, as being antiestablishment and being the different than what washington has seen before or even weve seen in the white house. For their particular strategy, they believe they dont. What is amazing to see is then how does that get down into the ground . If you are talking about those individuals that you can bring out to help bring out the vote and do the coordination on the ground to actually get voters to the polls, if you dont have those individuals doing that or helping with that, donald trump cant be everywhere. And certainly the National Surrogates in Rudy Giuliani and others cant be everywhere. You need people local on the ground in individual precincts in order to bring those people out for election day. Thats whats going to be missing. At the end of the day, Rudy Giuliani is not even popular. There isnt a person of color in new york that likes Rudy Giuliani. New york and new jersey are going to Hillary Clinton. You need john kasich. You need ohio. You need to pick up advocates for your message and your campaign as the race gets closer to november. Donald trump n his campaign have not done that. Even people who say theyre for him like marco rubio arent helping him out. Lets go over to the democrats. One of the big sources of tension between there are many. We can do an hour on it. This sense that she doesnt give access to us. She wont let reporters near her. Well, she finally did allow the press on her plane which means reporters will feel theyre getting access to the candidate. Lets play a little of that. This is Hillary Clinton talking about whether shes happy to see us. Hi, guys. Welcome to our big plane. Its so exciting. What do you think . I think its pretty cool, dont you . Youre supposed to say yes. I am so happy to have you all with me. I have just been waiting for this moment. And im no, really. And ill come back and talk to you more formally. I wanted to welcome you onto the plane. Shes not happy to see any of those folks at all. It was funny because it was so shame filled. Does anything change with granting more access to the press . Do you expect the coverage of her, the tone of it will change . I really dont. This goes back decades. We have a pretty good example. When she gave her book tour, amazing access. A couple of weeks. Sat down. Media matters added up 3 1 2 hours of television interviews. Sat down with the best and brightest of the tv world. She got hammered in the press for doing it. They absolutely dont like her. She was phony, not authentic, out of touch. We have aconcrete example. She did open the door, granted a lot of access and they just hammered her. So i dont know if its going to change the coverage or not. Again, this dynamic goes back to the 90s. Theres been a lot of chatter over the weekend about how the New York Times is covering her. Paul krugman wrote this column in the New York Times basically chastising how, though not by name, his own paper. Were losing track of what this campaign is about. People are so lost in the scandal narrative, they cant get away from it. Weve seen this before. This is the latest chapter. Trump hasnt people are not allowed on the trump plane yet. But hes not a clinton. The press is mostly fixated on clinton access and democratic access. There seems to be a double standard. Democrats are always supposed to welcome the press in and republicans are able to sort of keep them at a distance. We dont see a problem with that. Dont see a lot of complaints. You had jean carlo, george w. Bush was the master of wooing the press and befriending them. Giving them nicknames. Youre stretch and youre slim. It lowers peoples guard. And im going to do the same thing. You are a republican strategist. Do you think in any way it would help him . It seems so superficial to say you need to be friendly to us or were going to trash you as corrupt. We talk about double standards in politics. One of the first rules of politics would be to understand that there is a double standard in politics. The worst mistake you can make it a blunder that feeds the narrative about you and your weaknesses. Hillary clinton has handed these out like candy. So we can have a debate. I hope we do, about whether or not the foundation did things that were improper, right or wrong. But the fact of the matter is Hillary Clinton is making it so easy for her detractors to take shots at her and, to me, you know, again, we can talk about the validity of those arguments. She has not help herself at all. Do yau agree with that . I dont think shes handed out anything. Every revelation weve had on these emails, a year ago, pay for play, quid pro quo. Now its it was. No it wasnt. Sure it was. Krugmans article was so pay for play is the Trump Foundation. Well talk about that later. And you know i like you a lot but the problem is even the stories that were about this supposed pay for play. We didnt find any but it looked bad she had the foundation. Were going to pak sure youre in that block. And we want to make sure we get steve back in here. One thing that also happened today. We continue to have this back and forth on the question of whether or not donald trump wants to deport everyone thats in the country, undocumented or not. Lets play donald trump on his plane today talking about his immigration stance. Take a listen. Or not. Do we have that . Okay. Well come back. Oh, no. Its going to be a twoway street. And with me, its got to be a oneway street for a while. Ill be honest with you. Its kind of hard to hear that. Im going to read for you. He said im not ruling out anything. No, no, no to become a citizen youll have to go out and come back in through the process. Youll have to get in line. The reporter says a lot of republican plans about letting people have legal status. Just to let them live here, work here. People who have lived here for a long time, contributed to society. He says were going to make that decision into the future. At this point can you tell us definitively, you dont work for the campaign, is donald trump saying that people who are here having jobs and families can stay or they have to go . It seems like he said both. What i think, joy, hes been accused continually of flip flopping on this. I dont think hes flipflopped at all. Hes been remarkably consistent that there are a couple of bedrock principles. One is we must secure our southern border. Weve not done that for decades. The second is theres no path to citizenship. If you came here illegally, you cannot be rewarded for illegal activity with citizenship. Hes never wavered from that. Where theres some ambigutity. This is leadership, not flip flopping. Hes said well get to that. We have much more priorities at some point given the most dangerous people out, getting People Living off the system out, living in sanctuary cities. Once we do that and control our immigration system, if there are people who have been here illegally many years and have not in any way siphoned off the system, we can talk about their status. Thats leadership. By the way, its in stark contrast to Hillary Clinton who says within 100 days ill give you a path to citizenship and will reward those who came illegally to hop the line in front of millions of immigrants from asia, from Eastern Europe, from latin american countries who did it the right way legally. As a result of supporti inin daca, shes way ahead in the polls. Look at your face. He was talking. Your thoughts . I dont know why were discussing this as if he has a concrete plan to do anything. I dont know why were discussing him as if he has a concrete plan to do anything. Can we speak in any greater platitudes than that . He talks about having a plan and basically just him getting up and talking about the Broad Strokes or the overall things that he wants to do in terms of securing the border. Were not clear about how a wall is built. Who is going to pay for it or any of those things that people you know, aspire to because, yes, they want some security. Yes, they want some path to citizenship. But there is no detail of going hold on. He hasnt been unclear about any of those. Thats why were talking about it. Thats why people are asking questions. No path to citizenship. What happens is surrogates like yourself then come on tv and explain it for him, but your candidate still has not explained it. Ive actually heard trump surrogates say when mike pence is talk, hes talking as mike pence and giuliani is talking as giuliani. Thats not the way it works. Theyre supposed to be able to say the same explanation as each other and they havent been able to do that. Eric, isnt this overall, and the reason we really, i like having you here on this, this is the problem. Were attempting to discuss donald trump as if hes mitt romney or george w. Bush or like a traditional candidate. Theres nothing traditional about it. Joegeorge w. Bush didnt los. Romney and mccain did. This is a concern democrats and Hillary Clinton supporters have. Trump does not have an immigration policy, a tax policy, doesnt have anything policy. And campaigns used to be about policy. They used to be about agenda. We dont talk about what Hillary Clinton wants to do as president. We dont talk about this amazingly liberal democratic agenda. Email foundation, optics, optics, clinton with trump, kind of policy, but, if we just had a policy versus policy debate it would be a stark and revealing debate. Well have more on this with this panel. Thats an important point, even for us, the media. We only talk about optics and whether or not trump is pivoting. And we dont dig into the policy. You actually now are seeing in a lot of voters that they dont know what the policies of Hillary Clinton are. And those have been out there. My panel is coming back later in the show. Trumps donations to state attorneys general and the questions they raise. Hillary clinton im Hillary Clinton and i approve this message. Vo in times of crisis america depends on steady leadership. Donald trump knock the crap out of them, would you . Seriously. Vo clear thinking. Donald trump i know more about isis than the generals do, believe me. Vo and calm judgment. Donald trump and you can tell them to go fu k themselves. Vo cause all it takes is one wrong move. Donald trump audio only i would bomb the sh t out of them. Vo just one. Im terhe is. At golf. But id like to keep being terrible at golf for as long as i can. New patented ensure enlive has hmb plus 20 grams of protein to help rebuild muscle. For the strength and energy to do what you ve. New ensure enlive. Always be you. Shes a fine person. Never spoke to her about it. Never. Many of the attorney generals turned that case down because ill win that case in court. What were you hoping to get out of that donation that you talked a lot about . Ive known pam bondi for years. I have a lot of respect for her. Never spoke to her about that at all. And just have a lot of respect for her as a person, and shes done an amazing job as the attorney general of florida. Donald trump today answered questions about a 25,000 check the Trump Foundation gave to Florida Attorney general pam bondi in 2013. As the Washington Post reports this week, trump is now paid a 2,500 penalty to the irs for that gift. Because the Trump Foundation, a registered nonprofit, violated tax laws by giving a political contribution. Trump Organization Officials have claimed the violation was an honest mistalk and say trump has reimbursed the foundation. News of this donation is raising eyebrows. At the time, bondi was considering whether to investigate fraud allegations against Trump University. And wound up not pursuing the case. Bondi isnt the only state attorney general to find a to find a fat check in her Campaign Coffers from trump. In june, the ap reported trump donated money to greg abbotts successful gubernatorial campaign, three years after abbott dropped his investigation into trump u. Im going to start with you because pam bondi, who we both well known, has not been able to really escape the story but it hasnt seemed to hurt her. My question is whether this winds up hurting donald trump in some way. Only if the democrats decide to make it an issue. Lets play a game. Lets take out Donald Trumps name and plug in Hillary Clintons name and ask what would have happened in Hillary Clinton paid off a Democratic State attorney general and had a favorable decision afterward. Donald trump would be going crazy. All of the corrupt hillary epithets would be out there. Why is this not the exact case of corrupt donald doing something that clearly is pay for play . One off maybe. Twice a trend. Greg abbott, pam bondi. Thats a question for the media. You havent heard the calls to shut down the Trump Foundation or much about this story at all to be honest. This seems to be as direct an instance of what looks like pay for play as weve seen so far. For 18 months the press has been looking for a pay for play for the clinton administration. Started in the spring of last year. They havent found it. This is exactly what they have been looking for. This is, as he said, this would be all over the news. One mention on the sunday shows over the weekend about it. Very little headlines or things like that. Previously Washington Post, New York Times, usa today, all wrote editorials. Youd have to shut down the Clinton Foundation. Not because theyve done anything wrong. It just doesnt look good. Weve got trump sending 25,000 checks to get investigations shut down. Where are those editorials. Where is that thunder, lecturing tone about how trump really needs to figure out how to abide by the ethics. This is an amazing double standard. You would shred Hillary Clinton if the Clinton Foundation paid 25,000 to an attorney general who then ended an investigation against them, right . Youd come on this tv and shred her. Absolutely. Why do you suppose theres silence on the other side . I said this in the last block. Double standards exist for a reason. The clintons have made it easy to take pot shots at them for the way theyve conducted themselves in office and out of office. Theres plenty to go after what gives you a good reason to believe that its okay for the donald Trump Foundation to directly essentially hand over 25,000 to stop an investigation. Where is the equivalent t