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MSNBCW The Rachel Maddow Show September 16, 2014

Also another republican, wouldbe governor in another state that isnt new jersey. Thats all ahead tonight. But we start tonight with prince harry. And we start with prince harry because we can. Here is prinsz harry getting 26,000 people to do the wave. And i will warn you, he calls it the mexican wave, but that he gets them all to do it, right after he convinces them all to put down their drinks first. If youve got a drink, put it on the floor. No spillages. Were going to do a mexican wave from the front to the back. Put your drinks down. From the front to the back, one, two, three, go. Prince harry asking 26,000 people to do the wave. Front of the staid jum to the back of the stadium. But he is salve ri enough to know the consequences of that request will be, in his words, spillage, unless everybody puts down their drink before they try to wave their arms 234 the air. A very smart prince. That happened last night in london at the closing ceremony of something called the Invictus Games. In the United States, theres something called the warrior games. Prince harry is in the british army, thats included him serving in afghanistan. Hes a big supporter of veterans. Apparently, after seeing injured Service Members compete in the United States, he went home and founded basically a companion event. Its called the Invictus Games that took place over the last four days in london. More than 400 wounded Service Members come pepeting from 13 different countries. They used the facilities from the london summer o limpics for the venues. The red arrows flying low to open a spectacle of competitive sport. Members of the royal family were there. And, most notably on this occasion, harry. These are his games. The Invictus Games, a gathering of men and women from the military of different nations who suffered lifechanging injuries. A small team from afghanistan led the parade of athletes, soldiers injured on the battle field for whom sport has been a vital aid to recovery. As solemn and inspiring as the games were, you could tell at the end of four days of these games in london, the organizers, including prince harry himself, they were a little loose. They were a little willing to bend the royal rules. I think him going off script to the press yesterday about something the royal family in britain is not supposed to be weighing in on. The prince was asked by the press last night where he thought the next games should be held. And he said this. He said weve got america showing interests for 2016. Weve got canada showing interest nor 2017. So the question is, what do we do next year for 2015 . I would love to keep it in the u. K. Follow up quill . Where, specifically, in the u. K. Would he like to keep the games . He had a suggestion in mind. He said how about glasgow . That would be a great way to keep them in the u. K. Put them in skotland, for now, scottland is part of the u. K. The royal family, when theyre beloefed and when theyre not, theyre expected to remain strictly neutral. And the question of whether or not scotland is going to be a part of the u. K. Anymore, that is an acutely political question right now. 2 referendum is this thursday for scotland to decide whether it is going to vote no and stay on the u. K. Or whether theyre going to vote yes and become their own, independent country. Something like 97 of the Scottish Population over the age of 16 is registered to vote in this referendum on thursday. 97 . Skotsland says he hopes the queen would stay on. He says she could be elizabeth, queen of scots. Theres some precedent for that. Its not clear that would work again. The further the queen herself has been willing to go in talking about the referendum is to allow hrs. To be overheard yesterday while she told someone after a church service, i hope everybody thinks very carefully about the referendum this week. So shes definite ly keepin her cards close. But theres her grandson saying next year in glasgow. Everybody do the wave. Until recently, everybody thought that the independent campaign had a shot. Its looked like a tie or maybe even a yes vote narrowly leading. So the British Government and the other powers that be who do not want the u. K. To break up, they are now, right now, pulling out all the stops to try to stop the independent side from winning. The proindependence, the vote yes side, they know they have the moe men testimony heading into the vote. Theyre all of these experts coming north from england to scotland to say please, vote no. But that charge of desperation that is a charge the british Prime Minister is got running from anymore. The british Prime Minister is calling himself, desperate at this point. Today, he posted this on facebook. It says i desperately want our family of nations to stay together. It would be heartbreaking to wake up on friday morning to the end of the country we love. And, today, in scotland, Prime Minister David Cameron did hishearted felt begging in person. For the people of scott land to walk away now would be like painstakingly building a home and then walking out the door and throwing away the keys. So i would say to everyone voting on thursday, please, remember, this isnt just any old country. This is the ewe nighted kingdom. This is our country. That is about as emotional as upper crust british politicians get. But this is an emotional time for that country. It is an emotional time for the Prime Minister itself if David Cameron is the Prime Minister on whose watch the country breaks apart. There is a growing expectedation he will be forced out as Prime Minister. Even with the very close polling on the issue and the expectation of near 100 voter turn out, there is a large chunk of the Scottish Population that says they are still undecidesed as to how theyre going to vote. So that means, the next 48 hours 1 basically going to be no sleep, right . No holds barred. Con sfant campaigning trying to sway every last voter in skotland before they go to the polls on wednesday. This is a very highstakes, emotional time. And it happens at the same time the u. K. Is facing an important Foreign Policy challenge and an important terrorist challenge. Isis released another video of, yet, another beheading. Their first video showed the killing of an american journalist, jim foley. In that video, they threatened to kill a second video. And then they threatened to kill a british man named david haines. This video showed the killing of david haines and showed a threat to kill another british hostage, a man named allen henning. He was in his late 40s and working in syria as an aid worker and this terrorist group says they plan to kill him next. David cameron made a televised address. They made the last 18 months with extraordinary courage. And now david has been murdered in the most callous and brutal way imaginable. We have to confront this menace. We support their efforts. British tornadoes and Surveillance Aircraft have been helping. He closed by saying this is not something we d do on our own. We have to work with the rest of the world. Ultimately, our security as a nation, the way we go about our everyday lives in this free and tolerant nation that is britain against those who stand for hay hatred and destruction and that is exactly what we will do. David cameron said that in a televised address in the u. K. Last night. That is some of what is going on in the u. K. Right now. As the u. K. Simultaneously considering this week whether that vote will secede from their union. I mean, if you have ever wanted the job of being british Prime Minister, lets say you saw some great mini series and youve ever wanted to be Prime Minister, this week is not one of those weeks that you might fant size about having that job. Beyond that incredibly difficult debate in the u. K. , a lot of external issues 234 the u. K. And beyond whats going on here at home, the response to isis basically continues on three levels right now. The first level is diplomatic. Secretary of state john kerry was in paris for an International Summit designed to skurts commitments to contribute to the fight against isis. This summit today follows a similar summit of countries hosted in saudi arabia last week. U. S. Officials said yesterday that aufrs from the arab world so far, specifically, include offers to carry out air strikes against isis. Although no muslim governments are peting if theyre saying that behind the scenes. So the effort to have an International Coalition for action against isis, thats one level of response so far, the diplomatic level. The second level of the response is military, already. The pentagon confirming late tonight that this is a newly expanded military effort in iraq now. Were up over 160 air strikes overall. And what the pentagon just released tonight, theyre describing two air strike that is took place yesterday and today. And whats notable about these is that they have a different strategy behind them. The personality gone saying tonight, the air strikes southwest of baghdad was the first strike taken as part of our expanded efforts beyond protecting our own people and humanitarian plans to hit isil targets as outlined in the president s speech last wednesday. The strikes destroyed 6 isil vehicles south west of baghdad that was firing on iraqi personnel. All aircraft exited the strike areas safely. So military efforts had been stopping the key infrastructure, now theyre saying theyre hunting down isis missions and bombing them there. This newly expanded military effort, newly expanded air strikes in iraq and fighting i,sis on the ground. But yet theres a third response. Thats the political level here in our oun country and how that is going to play out, really, is anyones guest. This is fastmoving in terms of the politics here. They came back from a long weekend to start considering isis. They initially were going to have a meeting tomorrow. Congress has now decided to put that vote off until wednesday at the earliest, even though they wanted to vote tomorrow. Secretary of defense chuck hagel and Martin Dempsey is scheduled to testify tomorrow. And the house may want to listen carefully while they are speaking. As recently as last summer, Martin Dempsey had written this letter to Congress Warning congress about the risks of choosing rebels to support in syria. This letter said, the risks include extremists gaining access to capableties, retaliatory border attacks or our inadd ver tant association with war crimes, due to vetting difficulties. We try to vet those rebels. The decision of whether or not to arm syrian rebel groups 1 not an easy decision. If it was an easy call, congress could have made that decision last year. It might lead to all sorts of horrible results. But the arming the rebels question is something that congress thinks 1 an easier question than authorizing the u. S. Military action thats already happening against isis and that the president said he is expanding. Today, congressman adam shift swro deuced the latest resolution that would have congress authorize military force in iraq. His resolution would authorize it for 18 months. But such is the state of our politics on war and peace right now as a country. But the big question for our congress is not even whether your member of congress would vote yes or no to using force on a resolution like adam shifts. The big question in washington is whether you your member of congress would even like to vote at all. One way or the other on this rapidly expanding military operation. Or whether theyd just like to pretend that its none of their business and the president does this stuff alone on his own sayso. And heres just one more thought as Congress Considers how much they really want to tlie to duck this question. A new poll just came out today on how the American Public feels about fighting against isis. And the top line results on that poll are very interesting. Im not sure i expected this. Democratic support president obamas plan for using military force against isis. Republicans support president for what the president says he wants to do in terms of using force against isis. Keep that many mind. Then, look at this. Ask the public which broadly supports fighting isis, ask them what they think the effect will be of us doing that . What will be the effect of the u. S. Taking military action against isis. Do you think it will make us more likely to face a terrorist attack here at home, or do you think it will make us safer here at home . In this same poll. Way more people believe it will make us more likely to be attacked here at home if we take military action here against isis. But, still, the public broadly supports taking that military action. I told you these politics are changing fast. Joining us now is andrew basovijc. Hes currently a fellow at columbia university. Hes currently the author of breech of trust, how americans failed their soldiers and their country, as well as a number of other books, all of which i have read and liked very much. How is the debate going so far . Youve been a pretty harsh critic of how well we debate matters of war and peace in our country now. How 1 this debate going . I have think this confirms how peaceful the congress is. I mean, youve made the point that they are roughening away from the president s initiative. Were facing an offyear election in another what . Less than two months . But it seems to me that its very unfortunate. Over the course of the past basically 6070 years. Well, going back to the korean war. Weve developed this habit of deferring to the chief executive to dpds matters of war and peace. Many people say that we need to reverse that. This is a chance to do that. And the Congress Wont fulfill its responsibleties in that regard. I think its appalling. So far, they are not fulfilling their responsibleties. You do see individual members starting to swro deuce proposed resolutions to authorize the use of force. We dont yet know if theyre going to vote on it. It seems like what theyre going to view on first is the specific question of su porting syrian rebel groups against isis. Which is a peripheral issue. The main issue is shall we, once again, engage in the iraq war . And the president is clear that he wants to do that. Al bee it in a certain way, emphasizing air power, but promising not to use ground troops. But any way you cut it, its a war. And congress ought to be the body that decides whether or not were going to go to war. As they do consider this, as you put it, this peripheral issue, about arming syrian rebels, my sense, just as a political observer, is that theyve hived that off and put that first for two reasons. One, they think its an easier question. But its not. And also, if they think they vote on that bs that might think theyre voting on the issue and then they dont have to move on to the separate issue, that is an american war. I wonder what your sense is of the American Publics side of that calculation. Americans support action against isis. We are appalled by what this organization to get done. And, so, i think that evokes a popular sense of we need to do something to pay these people back. On the other hand, the american people, i think, have a larger appreciation that are military efforts in the middle east. Theyve failed. So theyre not eager to be a big war. Frankly, i think the president also appreciates that. He, on the one hand, says were going to degrade and defeat isis. And, on the other hand, dont worry, i promise im not going to commit u. S. Ground troops, which is a way of assuring u. S. Americans will be able to make this commitment a limited one. Scratch that itch, make people feel like something is being done. In fact, do something without starting another war. Or do we automatically reflex toward war when we want an action. Well, we do. To me,this is the subject i wished that the discourse here i dont think the question is what to do about isis. If we could magically destroy isis tomorrow, we would defeat them tomorrow. The conditions that gave rise to isis would still exist. What do you want to call it . My view is, yes, lets go after isis. But lets not kid ourselves that if we destroy isis, we . How accomplish some larger purpose with regard to moving this region back from chaos towards some amount of stability. And that needs to be our goal. Professor andrew bacevich, i should tell you, the professor has an online course. We have nfrgs on our web site if youd like to learn more. Andrew, thank you soo much. Its always good to see ewe. Lots more ahead on tonights show, including some latest news from tonight on the nfls me tast sizing doe mesic abuse scandal. Please, stay with us. 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