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So thats worth paying for, thats a heck of a bargain. This is not repeal or replace when it comes to obamacare, this is just paying a lot of taxpayer money to make the Health Care System work more poorly and cost more and insure fewer people. Sure, why not . That news from late last night. And that was followed today by the president flinging another wrench into the iran nuclear deal. Nuclear deal was not just between the United States and iran but between all of the countries and the u. N. Security council and the eu and germany and iran. The president s remarks today making clear that he doesnt think the United States should be party to that agreement anymore, even if everybody else is staying in it. He said hes basically against the deal and followed by the state department coming out and saying, dont believe those silly tv headlines you might be seeing saying were abandoning the iran nuclear deal. Those silly tv headlines were written by people who were writing down what the president said. But the state Department Says dont pay any attention to that. Its been kind of a whiplash 24 hours, well get expert help on both of the stories over the course of the hour. We have a big leap forward own what we think is a spy story, its an intriguing kind of murky story weve been following since this summer. Theres a big leap forward tonight. Well bring that to you this hour as well. Well start tonight with a scoop. Were going to start tonight with a scoop from nbcs chief Foreign Correspondent Richard Engel. Its about Paul Manafort, the Trump Campaign chairman. Today we learned that the man who was the Republican Party chairman for the last several years, who was the Republican Party chairman during the president ial campaign, rea iinc priebus, Reince Priebus we learned today was just interviewed by robert mueller, by the special counsel investigating the russia attack on last years election and the question of whether or not the Trump Campaign may have been in on that attack. We were told a couple of weeks ago muellers investigators were going to start interviewing white house officials and former white house officials. Apparently last week they started the interviews with keel kellogg, the chief of staff of the National Security council and today they have done their interview with former rnc chair and white house chief of staff Reince Priebus. His lawyer telling the New York Times, it was a voluntary interview. Just for a second you should stick a pin in the question of who is paying for that lawyer who gave that statement to the New York Times tonight . Whos paying for Reince Priebus lawyer who informed reporters that he just had this interview with the mueller investigator. Its not the most important thing in the world but it would be truly amazing if the rnc which Reince Priebus ran for six years, was paying the legal fees on the russia investigation for donald trump and donald trump jr. But not paying legal fees for Reince Priebus who ran the organization for six years. As far as we know, we cant verify that anybody is getting their russia legal fees paid for by the rnc other than 2 billionaire men named donald trump jr. And senior. So i dont know whos paying for Reince Priebus lawyer, but he has a lawyer. Well stick a pin in that factor for a moment. He was able to have this conversation with mueller and the investigators in the context of a voluntary interview. Muellers investigation has taken a very different approach when it comes to the Trump Campaign chairman Paul Manafort. This summer in july use thed a noknock search warrant to raid his home in virginia and told Paul Manafort that they are going to indict him and he should expect that indictment. If thats true and they are going to indict him, we dont know what they will indict him for or when. Thee receiptically its important they also have indicted him, we just dont know about it. Whatever his legal troubles are, Richard Engels scoop tonight for nbc nightly news shows why Paul Manafort has been a glow in the dark target for investigators looking into the matter. Richards scoop has to do with the relationship between Paul Manafort and this guy, a billionaire Russian Oligarch. The way that works in his case, the soviet union used to own and state control a massive industry for the production of aluminum in the soviet union. Now that the off yet union is no more, somehow that whole industry belongs to oleg personally. Thats how the oligarch thing works there. He is not to be not just loyal to but revery close to Vladimir Putin and sees no separation between his own interests and any interest of the russian state. He reportedly cannot get a visa to visit the United States because of what u. S. Officials believe to be his ties to organized crime. He contests that but its almost more interesting to know that the russian government has treated that issue as a matter of state concern. They have repeatedly brought up his personal visa situation as a priority issue for the russian government in the dealings with the United States government. So he is connected, capital c connected. In Paul Manaforts life, he has been an recurring and interesting presence. He was a major backer of the proputin Political Party that Paul Manafort worked for in ukraine for years, the work for which he registered as a Foreign Agent this summer. And worked on his funded political projects in the nation of georgia and mon montenegro. It has a few things about it that really go right to the heart of what mueller is investigating in the special counsels office. If you want to know overall if the Trump Campaign was aware of russia messing in our election and helping with that or kplis it in that in some way, Paul Manafort and his connections, they keep coming up as soon as you scratch the surface of the time line here and the characters involved. In march, for example, the Associated Press reported that he entered into a contract in 2006, a 10 million a Year Contract for Paul Manafort to advance the interest of Vladimir Putins government around the world. The ap reported that in march. Paul manafort and oleg denied that. Heres another, they are also now famously connected by a series of emails first reported by the Washington Post this past month and further reported on by the at lancaster tick magazine. In the emails he appears to have offered private briefings on the u. S. President ial election to Oleg Deripaska, offered private briefings while he was serving as Trumps Campaign manager. On july 7th, last year in the emails two weeks before trump accepted the republican nomination. Manafort was emailing his old business associate in ukraine to tell Oleg Deripaska, quote, if he needs private briefings, we cant accommodate. By the end that month, end of july last summer, manaforts colleague wrote back telling him he had a fivehour long conversation with deripaska and i have several important messages from him to you. He asked me to go and brief you on our conversation. It has to do about the future of his country and is quite interesting. His country being russia. So while Paul Manafort is running the Trump Campaign, hes conducting private briefings and receives a visitor, his business colleague from ukraine because he says hes bearing important messages for manafort for the russian connected oligarch, about the future of russia. That meeting happens in august while manafort is still running Trumps Campaign. Intriguin intriguingly, manafort seems desperate to convert his standing as Trumps Campaign manager into something Oleg Deripaska might value. I assume you have shown our friends our media coverage. Has ovds operation seen how do we use to get whole . And we dont know what paul nan ma fort said when he was hoping to get whole with deripaska, thanks to his job running the Trump Campaign. What can you do that will help you get whole with a russian billionaire . Whatever that means, would seem to point to the third major point of connection which makes manafort and his relationship with the russian guy glow in the dark for this investigation. That relationship, that part of their relationship, of course, is the money part. We know from previous reporting that deripaska sued Paul Manafort in 2015 for 19 million. That was money that manafort was going to invest for deripaska but something went wrong with the investments and deripaska lost his money and for a time he was not even able to con manafort and sued to try to get the money back we also know from previous reporting that manafort appears to have needed to put his hands on cash money in short order last year after he got booted off the Trump Campaign, after he left the campaign in august, he appears to have taken about 20 million in cash as loans from various entities. Using his Real Estate Holding as collateral. These included a strange cash lone from a small chicago bank run by a trump supporter. The cash that little bank loaned to manafort was a huge proportion of the banks asset, like a quarter of their lendable capital and nobody knows why a bank like that would have been making that gigantic loan to manafort. A small bank based in chicago and run by a veteran and their business caters to veteran, former service members, Paul Manafort is not a veteran but they gave a quarter of their lendable assets in a hurry . Something was going on in Paul Manaforts life where he needed a lot of cash. And he got a lot of cash from a lot of different entities very fast. And if he as a guy having cash flow troubles at the time, its always seemed a little weird when he took the Trump Campaign chairman job, he specifically offered to take it for free. If he needed to scramble to put his hands on that much cash that fast, why was he looking for an unpaid job. He offered he didnt want to be paid for his work on Trumps Campaign. We also know from an interview published in the Washington Post just this week. Contrary to earlier reports that trumps friends had sought out Paul Manafort and offered him as a good choice to run Trumps Campaign. Contrary to that earlier reporting, actually it was apparently Paul Manafort sought out the Trump Campaign, telling barrack, i need to get to trump. Why . Now Richard Engel filled in a piece of the financial picture that puts manafort and this Large Russian billionaire in a much more intense spotlight. The New York Times previously reported that manafort and deri der deripaska used the offline banking in cyprus, made a 7 million loan or payment of some kind to a company run by manafort, 7 million. Well now tonight, Richard Engel reports at nbc news that that same Company Connected to deripaska in cyprus, it didnt just shovel 7 million to manafort, richard found another 26 million that was loaned from this Company Controlled by deripaska to a Company Controlled by manafort. Its a loan but theres no specific date on which he has to pay the loan back. So this is a major update to previous reporting about this financial relationship between the Trump Campaign manager and russia during the campaign. Its apafrpt parentally not 7 million before the campaign. Its more like 33 million. And then, combine that 33 million with another 26 million that a Court Filing Says deripaska appeared to have shoveled to manafort as a private equity fund. You add those together with all of this new money that richard has found and total amount of money he appears to have received in one way or another from this russian billionaire linked to Vladimir Putin is on the order of 60 million. Which is starting to seem like real money. We dont know if these things that look like loans on paper were actually loans and therefore manafort had to pay that money back. Its possible they were made to look like loans but they werent really loan and this was deripaska giving manafort this much money. If that was the case, what was he giving him that money for . Heres the detail in this story that to me was the gul p moment. When richard and his team first started working on the story they sent a request for comment to Paul Manaforts spokesman, jason malonely, he himself has been subpoenaed, which is kind of unusual. When he responded to nbcs request for comment, he sent a statement to nbc that was several sentences long and it included this. It included this, mr. Manafort is not indebted to former clients today nor was he at the time he began working for the Trump Campaign. Okay. Not indebted nor was he when he was working for the Trump Campaign. Later on, manafort spokesman told nbc news he wanted to revise his statement. He sent a new statement to nbc news that included all of the other things he said before but he dropped that line. He dropped that line, mr. Manafort is not indebted to former clients today nor at the time he began working for the Trump Campaign. Manafort claimed he wasnt indebted to his former clients then he stopped claiming that. We dont know the overall status in the investigation. We dont know how much further they have to go or how high they are aiming in terms of who may be the targets. They are interviewing white house staff including the former chairman and white house chief of staff Reince Priebus today. We do know they have told the Campaign Chairman to expect to be indicted. But if this new nbc report from Richard Engel is correct, anybody following the money between the Trump Campaign and russia, while russia was attacking our election, may have just found the pot of gold or the pot of ious that was sitting at the end of this little rainbow. Richard engel joins us next. Hey grandpa. Hey, kid. Really good to see you. You too. You tell grandma you were going fishing again . Maybe. vo the best things in life keep going. Thats why i got a subaru, too. Introducing the allnew crosstrek. Love is out there. Find it in a subaru crosstrek. Take 5, guys. Tired of your bladder always cutting into your day . You may have overactive bladder, or oab. Thats it we really need to get with the program and see the doctor. Take charge and ask your doctor about Myrbetriq Mirabegron for oab symptoms of urgency, frequency and leakage. Its the first and only oab treatment in its class. Myrbetriq may cause serious allergic reactions. If you experience swelling of the face, lips, throat or tongue, or difficulty breathing, stop taking myrbetriq and tell your doctor right away. Myrbetriq may increase blood pressure. Tell your doctor right away if you have trouble emptying your bladder or have a weak urine stream. Myrbetriq may affect or be affected by other medications. Before taking myrbetriq, tell your doctor if you have liver or kidney problems. Common side effects include increased blood pressure, common cold symptoms, urinary tract infection, constipation, diarrhea, dizziness and headache. Okay, time to do this dont let your bladder always take the lead. Ask your doctor if myrbetriq is right for you. And visit myrbetriq. Com to learn more. Has grown into an enterprise. Thats why i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. Now, im earning unlimited 2 cash back on every purchase i make. Everything. Whats in your wallet . Using official Company Records from several countries, we were able to trace two loans, one for about 26 million and another for about 7 million, made by a Health Care System<\/a> work more poorly and cost more and insure fewer people. Sure, why not . That news from late last night. And that was followed today by the president flinging another wrench into the iran nuclear deal. Nuclear deal was not just between the United States<\/a> and iran but between all of the countries and the u. N. Security council and the eu and germany and iran. The president s remarks today making clear that he doesnt think the United States<\/a> should be party to that agreement anymore, even if everybody else is staying in it. He said hes basically against the deal and followed by the state department coming out and saying, dont believe those silly tv headlines you might be seeing saying were abandoning the iran nuclear deal. Those silly tv headlines were written by people who were writing down what the president said. But the state Department Says<\/a> dont pay any attention to that. Its been kind of a whiplash 24 hours, well get expert help on both of the stories over the course of the hour. We have a big leap forward own what we think is a spy story, its an intriguing kind of murky story weve been following since this summer. Theres a big leap forward tonight. Well bring that to you this hour as well. Well start tonight with a scoop. Were going to start tonight with a scoop from nbcs chief Foreign Correspondent<\/a> Richard Engel<\/a>. Its about Paul Manafort<\/a>, the Trump Campaign<\/a> chairman. Today we learned that the man who was the Republican Party<\/a> chairman for the last several years, who was the Republican Party<\/a> chairman during the president ial campaign, rea iinc priebus, Reince Priebus<\/a> we learned today was just interviewed by robert mueller, by the special counsel investigating the russia attack on last years election and the question of whether or not the Trump Campaign<\/a> may have been in on that attack. We were told a couple of weeks ago muellers investigators were going to start interviewing white house officials and former white house officials. Apparently last week they started the interviews with keel kellogg, the chief of staff of the National Security<\/a> council and today they have done their interview with former rnc chair and white house chief of staff Reince Priebus<\/a>. His lawyer telling the New York Times<\/a>, it was a voluntary interview. Just for a second you should stick a pin in the question of who is paying for that lawyer who gave that statement to the New York Times<\/a> tonight . Whos paying for Reince Priebus<\/a> lawyer who informed reporters that he just had this interview with the mueller investigator. Its not the most important thing in the world but it would be truly amazing if the rnc which Reince Priebus<\/a> ran for six years, was paying the legal fees on the russia investigation for donald trump and donald trump jr. But not paying legal fees for Reince Priebus<\/a> who ran the organization for six years. As far as we know, we cant verify that anybody is getting their russia legal fees paid for by the rnc other than 2 billionaire men named donald trump jr. And senior. So i dont know whos paying for Reince Priebus<\/a> lawyer, but he has a lawyer. Well stick a pin in that factor for a moment. He was able to have this conversation with mueller and the investigators in the context of a voluntary interview. Muellers investigation has taken a very different approach when it comes to the Trump Campaign<\/a> chairman Paul Manafort<\/a>. This summer in july use thed a noknock search warrant to raid his home in virginia and told Paul Manafort<\/a> that they are going to indict him and he should expect that indictment. If thats true and they are going to indict him, we dont know what they will indict him for or when. Thee receiptically its important they also have indicted him, we just dont know about it. Whatever his legal troubles are, Richard Engels<\/a> scoop tonight for nbc nightly news shows why Paul Manafort<\/a> has been a glow in the dark target for investigators looking into the matter. Richards scoop has to do with the relationship between Paul Manafort<\/a> and this guy, a billionaire Russian Oligarch<\/a>. The way that works in his case, the soviet union used to own and state control a massive industry for the production of aluminum in the soviet union. Now that the off yet union is no more, somehow that whole industry belongs to oleg personally. Thats how the oligarch thing works there. He is not to be not just loyal to but revery close to Vladimir Putin<\/a> and sees no separation between his own interests and any interest of the russian state. He reportedly cannot get a visa to visit the United States<\/a> because of what u. S. Officials believe to be his ties to organized crime. He contests that but its almost more interesting to know that the russian government has treated that issue as a matter of state concern. They have repeatedly brought up his personal visa situation as a priority issue for the russian government in the dealings with the United States<\/a> government. So he is connected, capital c connected. In Paul Manafort<\/a>s life, he has been an recurring and interesting presence. He was a major backer of the proputin Political Party<\/a> that Paul Manafort<\/a> worked for in ukraine for years, the work for which he registered as a Foreign Agent<\/a> this summer. And worked on his funded political projects in the nation of georgia and mon montenegro. It has a few things about it that really go right to the heart of what mueller is investigating in the special counsels office. If you want to know overall if the Trump Campaign<\/a> was aware of russia messing in our election and helping with that or kplis it in that in some way, Paul Manafort<\/a> and his connections, they keep coming up as soon as you scratch the surface of the time line here and the characters involved. In march, for example, the Associated Press<\/a> reported that he entered into a contract in 2006, a 10 million a Year Contract<\/a> for Paul Manafort<\/a> to advance the interest of Vladimir Putin<\/a>s government around the world. The ap reported that in march. Paul manafort and oleg denied that. Heres another, they are also now famously connected by a series of emails first reported by the Washington Post<\/a> this past month and further reported on by the at lancaster tick magazine. In the emails he appears to have offered private briefings on the u. S. President ial election to Oleg Deripaska<\/a>, offered private briefings while he was serving as Trumps Campaign<\/a> manager. On july 7th, last year in the emails two weeks before trump accepted the republican nomination. Manafort was emailing his old business associate in ukraine to tell Oleg Deripaska<\/a>, quote, if he needs private briefings, we cant accommodate. By the end that month, end of july last summer, manaforts colleague wrote back telling him he had a fivehour long conversation with deripaska and i have several important messages from him to you. He asked me to go and brief you on our conversation. It has to do about the future of his country and is quite interesting. His country being russia. So while Paul Manafort<\/a> is running the Trump Campaign<\/a>, hes conducting private briefings and receives a visitor, his business colleague from ukraine because he says hes bearing important messages for manafort for the russian connected oligarch, about the future of russia. That meeting happens in august while manafort is still running Trumps Campaign<\/a>. Intriguin intriguingly, manafort seems desperate to convert his standing as Trumps Campaign<\/a> manager into something Oleg Deripaska<\/a> might value. I assume you have shown our friends our media coverage. Has ovds operation seen how do we use to get whole . And we dont know what paul nan ma fort said when he was hoping to get whole with deripaska, thanks to his job running the Trump Campaign<\/a>. What can you do that will help you get whole with a russian billionaire . Whatever that means, would seem to point to the third major point of connection which makes manafort and his relationship with the russian guy glow in the dark for this investigation. That relationship, that part of their relationship, of course, is the money part. We know from previous reporting that deripaska sued Paul Manafort<\/a> in 2015 for 19 million. That was money that manafort was going to invest for deripaska but something went wrong with the investments and deripaska lost his money and for a time he was not even able to con manafort and sued to try to get the money back we also know from previous reporting that manafort appears to have needed to put his hands on cash money in short order last year after he got booted off the Trump Campaign<\/a>, after he left the campaign in august, he appears to have taken about 20 million in cash as loans from various entities. Using his Real Estate Holding<\/a> as collateral. These included a strange cash lone from a small chicago bank run by a trump supporter. The cash that little bank loaned to manafort was a huge proportion of the banks asset, like a quarter of their lendable capital and nobody knows why a bank like that would have been making that gigantic loan to manafort. A small bank based in chicago and run by a veteran and their business caters to veteran, former service members, Paul Manafort<\/a> is not a veteran but they gave a quarter of their lendable assets in a hurry . Something was going on in Paul Manafort<\/a>s life where he needed a lot of cash. And he got a lot of cash from a lot of different entities very fast. And if he as a guy having cash flow troubles at the time, its always seemed a little weird when he took the Trump Campaign<\/a> chairman job, he specifically offered to take it for free. If he needed to scramble to put his hands on that much cash that fast, why was he looking for an unpaid job. He offered he didnt want to be paid for his work on Trumps Campaign<\/a>. We also know from an interview published in the Washington Post<\/a> just this week. Contrary to earlier reports that trumps friends had sought out Paul Manafort<\/a> and offered him as a good choice to run Trumps Campaign<\/a>. Contrary to that earlier reporting, actually it was apparently Paul Manafort<\/a> sought out the Trump Campaign<\/a>, telling barrack, i need to get to trump. Why . Now Richard Engel<\/a> filled in a piece of the financial picture that puts manafort and this Large Russian<\/a> billionaire in a much more intense spotlight. The New York Times<\/a> previously reported that manafort and deri der deripaska used the offline banking in cyprus, made a 7 million loan or payment of some kind to a company run by manafort, 7 million. Well now tonight, Richard Engel<\/a> reports at nbc news that that same Company Connected<\/a> to deripaska in cyprus, it didnt just shovel 7 million to manafort, richard found another 26 million that was loaned from this Company Controlled<\/a> by deripaska to a Company Controlled<\/a> by manafort. Its a loan but theres no specific date on which he has to pay the loan back. So this is a major update to previous reporting about this financial relationship between the Trump Campaign<\/a> manager and russia during the campaign. Its apafrpt parentally not 7 million before the campaign. Its more like 33 million. And then, combine that 33 million with another 26 million that a Court Filing Says<\/a> deripaska appeared to have shoveled to manafort as a private equity fund. You add those together with all of this new money that richard has found and total amount of money he appears to have received in one way or another from this russian billionaire linked to Vladimir Putin<\/a> is on the order of 60 million. Which is starting to seem like real money. We dont know if these things that look like loans on paper were actually loans and therefore manafort had to pay that money back. Its possible they were made to look like loans but they werent really loan and this was deripaska giving manafort this much money. If that was the case, what was he giving him that money for . Heres the detail in this story that to me was the gul p moment. When richard and his team first started working on the story they sent a request for comment to Paul Manafort<\/a>s spokesman, jason malonely, he himself has been subpoenaed, which is kind of unusual. When he responded to nbcs request for comment, he sent a statement to nbc that was several sentences long and it included this. It included this, mr. Manafort is not indebted to former clients today nor was he at the time he began working for the Trump Campaign<\/a>. Okay. Not indebted nor was he when he was working for the Trump Campaign<\/a>. Later on, manafort spokesman told nbc news he wanted to revise his statement. He sent a new statement to nbc news that included all of the other things he said before but he dropped that line. He dropped that line, mr. Manafort is not indebted to former clients today nor at the time he began working for the Trump Campaign<\/a>. Manafort claimed he wasnt indebted to his former clients then he stopped claiming that. We dont know the overall status in the investigation. We dont know how much further they have to go or how high they are aiming in terms of who may be the targets. They are interviewing white house staff including the former chairman and white house chief of staff Reince Priebus<\/a> today. We do know they have told the Campaign Chairman<\/a> to expect to be indicted. But if this new nbc report from Richard Engel<\/a> is correct, anybody following the money between the Trump Campaign<\/a> and russia, while russia was attacking our election, may have just found the pot of gold or the pot of ious that was sitting at the end of this little rainbow. Richard engel joins us next. Hey grandpa. Hey, kid. Really good to see you. You too. You tell grandma you were going fishing again . Maybe. vo the best things in life keep going. Thats why i got a subaru, too. Introducing the allnew crosstrek. Love is out there. Find it in a subaru crosstrek. Take 5, guys. Tired of your bladder always cutting into your day . You may have overactive bladder, or oab. Thats it we really need to get with the program and see the doctor. Take charge and ask your doctor about Myrbetriq Mirabegron<\/a> for oab symptoms of urgency, frequency and leakage. Its the first and only oab treatment in its class. Myrbetriq may cause serious allergic reactions. If you experience swelling of the face, lips, throat or tongue, or difficulty breathing, stop taking myrbetriq and tell your doctor right away. Myrbetriq may increase blood pressure. Tell your doctor right away if you have trouble emptying your bladder or have a weak urine stream. Myrbetriq may affect or be affected by other medications. Before taking myrbetriq, tell your doctor if you have liver or kidney problems. Common side effects include increased blood pressure, common cold symptoms, urinary tract infection, constipation, diarrhea, dizziness and headache. Okay, time to do this dont let your bladder always take the lead. Ask your doctor if myrbetriq is right for you. And visit myrbetriq. Com to learn more. Has grown into an enterprise. Thats why i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. Now, im earning unlimited 2 cash back on every purchase i make. Everything. Whats in your wallet . Using official Company Records<\/a> from several countries, we were able to trace two loans, one for about 26 million and another for about 7 million, made by a Company Owned<\/a> by deripaska to two companies linked to manafort in cyprus, they in turn lent 27 million to a Delaware Company<\/a> named after manaforts two daughters. In total 60 million in loans from deripaska landed in accounts connected to manafort. 60 million. That exclusive reporting about the Trump Campaign<\/a> chairman and his previously undisclosed financial ties to a Russian Oligarch<\/a> breaking tonight from nbc news chief Foreign Correspondent<\/a> Richard Engel<\/a>. That was a piece of his report. Thanks for being with us tonight. Happy to have you here. Absolutely. And i guess it just goes back to following the money. A lot of people are doing that. The New York Times<\/a> has done great reporting and we have been doing this particular chasing this cyprus angle for some time and came out with this report tonight and more reports to come. What do you think overall is the significance of this scoop you got . As you said this follows previous reporting, some of your own reporting from the New York Times<\/a> about these offshore overseas accounts. It seems like cyprus was almost incidental, but this is a lot more money than we ever knew was being transacted between this putin linked oligarch and the Trump Campaign<\/a> chair. Its a lot more and i think for the first time we have a pretty clear chain of events and lets just start with this Company Owned<\/a> by deripaska, we know that because he disclosed to the Stock Exchange<\/a> in hong kong that this particular entity was fully owned by himself. This company, the deripaska Company Loans<\/a> makes two loans, one for about 7 million and other for 26 million. The 7 million is the one the New York Times<\/a> talked about. Lets leave that aside. The 26 million is the one were talking about now, thats the new reporting. So that loan is made to a manafort linked company in cyprus and at some stage, its happened the loan is for 2012. That same manafort linked company in cyprus maybe its not the same money takes amount the same amount and reloans it to another manafort linked company, that one called just and. And the reason the name is jessica and andrea, the name of manafo manaforts daughters and they together bought a new york payment for 2. 5 million. When you look at this together and see a 26 million loan from deripaskas company to a manafort company in cyprus. And then another to a Company Named<\/a> after manaforts daughter which in the past has been used to buy real estate for members of his family, i think you get a much clearer picture of what were talking about instead of some sort of complicate d offshore finances. Richard, is it clear to you if these are actual loans, if this is money that deripaska is shifting to manafort and expecting it back . They are listed you make clear in the roeporting they ar listed as loans. Is it possible these arent loans, just a Money Transfer<\/a> and designed to look like a loan for tax purposes or some other convenient financial reason . Reporter so weve spoken to experts at people at the former experts of the department of justice and they say that using loans like this and particularly self loans is a tool used by money launderrors and raises flags. We dont no if they were loans or payments. There were no indication they were paid back. They were unsecured loans. Meaning there was no collateral put up according to the documents that we have, which were the accounting documents an audit of the cyprus linked company and payable on demand. No specific time line when it was to be paid back as well. Frankly, either way its troubling, if they were direct payments from a putin linked oligarch to manafort, thats one thing. If hes indebted to the tune of tens of millions, thats also troubling but at this stage we really dont know. Richard engel, chief Foreign Correspondent<\/a>, thank you for helping us understand this. I know that financial stuff is complicated but youve been able to trace this in a clear way. Congratulations. Thanks, richard. 60 million. All right, we promised some expert help on these two big policy changes that the president just flung out the window of a passing car today. Were about to deliver on that expert promise. Stay right there. Well be right back. Okay folks lets get the lady of the house back on her feet. And help her feel more strength and energy in just two weeks. Yaaay the complete balanced nutrition of ensure with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. Ensure. Always be you. Grandmas. Aunt stacys. What are the reasons you care for your heart . Qunol coq10 with 3x better absorption has the 1 cardiologist recommended form of coq10 to support heart health. Qunol, the better coq10. If you could book a flight, then add a hotel, or car, or activity in one place and save, where would you go . Xpedia the Trump Administration<\/a> has passed no significant legislation much of any kind. Last night we talked about the bill to impose sanctions for interfering in our election. That bill was passed by both houses of congress with gigantic bipartisan margins and even though President Trump<\/a> was opposed to the bill, he be grudgingly signed it anyway. I should mention even though that piece of legislation did pass and did get signed into law, once it was law, the president ignored it. He signed it into law but then he just let the deadline pass for imposing sanctions on russia for messing in our election. He never did anything. So he did sign one significant law but then he ignored it. And thats it really. Thats pretty much all that has been done when it comes to legislation and this new administration. And whatever anybody thought about the new president coming into office, especially with one Party Control<\/a> of the white house and senate and house, i think nobody expected that he would have passed nothing ten months into his time in office. I think it may be as much as of a shock to trump supporter to see this presidency only advance one idea so far, to only actually take action to accomplish one category of things so far. The only thing this administration has actively pursued and done anything about is to undo things done by president obama, no matter what they were. President obama moved to shield the d. R. E. A. M. Ers from deportation, trump is stopping that. President obama negotiated the Trans Pacific<\/a> partnership trade deal to outmaneuver china economically, trump is stopping that. President obama played a key role in negotiating the 195 country paris climate accord. Trump is pulling us out of that. President obama started normalizing relations with cuba, trump is stopping that. President obamas clean power plan, kill it. Covered by Health Insurance<\/a>, kill that. The obama flood protection rule so we dont build critical in a infrastructure kill that. Its not like were ever going to have a flood again. President obama played a key role in getting the deal between the five members of u. N. Security council plplus germany and eu to limit Irans Nuclear<\/a> program. Everybody else is still on board. Trump today started to pull us out from that. Although Republican Congress<\/a> has now given up on trying to repeal and replace the Affordable Care<\/a> act, trump last night announced a new policy to try to wreck the Health Insurance<\/a> market, to throw a million americans off Health Insurance<\/a>. To make health costs go up for everyone and spend 200 billion taxpayer dollars to do that. And you can take apart any one of those decisions on their own at policy level. What i want to know though, have we ever had a president who pursued nothing of his own legislatively . Nothing. Have we ever had a president whether or not they had complete control of congress have we ever had a president whose only action as president for the first ten months was only to try to undo everything done by the previous president . Is that also an unprecedented thing about the trump era. Joining us now is michael beschloss. Its great to have you with us, thank you for being here tonight. Thanks, rachel. Of course. Has this happened before . No. In a word, you look, roosevelt ran against hoover and roosevelt said i disagree with the way hoover is dealing with the great depression. Roosevelt won and he brought about the new deal, this huge amount of federal programs to try to improve peoples lives. Ronald reagan in 1980 said i disagree with jimmy carter in all sorts of ways and came into office, it was a revolutionary change and tax and defense spending and other things, but it wasnt this its almost as if donald trump when he was running and even during this first year, the centerpiece of this administration is i loathe barack obama and all he stands for and im going to be the opposite. I feel like in trying to understand trumpism and where President Trump<\/a> came from not just as an individual but in terms of this moment in american history, i feel like there has been a sort of quasiintellectual argument that maybe the two parties were not so similar but so locked in place in terms of partisan combat and american policy making and partisan combat had become so predictable and gridlocked that maybe having a meteor strike, maybe having somebody really from outside that system, even if there was something destructive in terms of his agenda and democratic norms, it would at least shake things up and make things happen in a different way. We would start looking at politics and poblgts of legislation with a Different Number<\/a> line. Thats right. This feels like the opposite of that is happening. Right. That was his argument, that bring me in and ill get all sorts of things done because im going to do it a different way. Remember what paul ryan said at the beginning of all of this. He said, welcome to united republican government, look at all of the things youll see happen. They havent happened. In terms of the i dont know if this is personal. I do know that there is an unusual and sing you lar focus of what President Trump<\/a> and republicans in congress have accomplished. They have undone Obama Administration<\/a> initiatives full stop, thats really all theyve done. I dont know if thats personally motivated. But should we expect a personal response from the previous president when other president s have come in and made a real issue about their immediate predecessors record or tried to undo things close to the legacy issues, do you see previous president s rise back up and resurface into public life . Sure, eisenhower, for instance, campaigned in the 1962 Midterm Election<\/a>s when he felt that kennedy was kriticriticizim and turn back things he had done. Youll see that with barack obama. Hes going to campaign in virginia very soon and i guarantee youll see him in the Midterm Election<\/a> doing the same kind of thing next year. If you look at history, especially the last 100 years, never the kind of personal animosity you see from donald trump towards his predecessor. Theres nothing like it. Michael beschloss, nbc news president ial historian. Thank you. Appreciate you being here. Thank you, rachel. Be well. Busy news night tonight. Stay with us. Its easy to think that all Money Managers<\/a> are pretty much the same. But while some push High Commission<\/a> investment products, Fisher Investments<\/a> avoids them. Some advisers have hidden and layered fees. Fisher investments never does. And while some advisers are happy to earn commissions from you whether you do well or not, Fisher Investments<\/a> fees are structured so we do better when you do better. Maybe thats why most of our clients come from other Money Managers<\/a>. Fisher investments. 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They are taking out rockets that are going so fast its and the percentage of success is so high its so brilliant what we can do so that we can do what we have to do to have a safe country. The percentage of success is so high. The ceo of the truman National Security<\/a> project is a man named mike breen watching the speech when the president drifted into the topic. This is his reaction, he said, owe bleep we blurt it out he thinks it actually works. Maybe the president is enjoying all of the taunting of north korea on the nuclear thing. Maybe hes doing that because he thinks it would be actually no problem if they did shoot a Nuclear Weapon<\/a> on a missile at someone, including us. Maybe he thinks he would be super easy to shoot it down. Its not a risk. I raise that because apparently the president wasnt just getting carried away with fan at a sizing about the high success in alabama, he said it again this week. We build the greatest military equipment in the world. We have missiles that can knock out a missile in the air 97 of the time. If you send two of them, its going to get knocked out. In reality, were like ten of 18 since 1999 in test of the Missile Defense<\/a> system that he appears to be talking about. We do hit the target some of the time. That one we just showed in may, the test over the pacific, it hit. And mathwise, 10 out of 18 is sort of not bad for whats essentially trying to catch a bullet with another bullet but 10 out of 18 is not 97 of the time. Its nowhere near what the president has been saying and describing what he gets asked about north korea. So i have a nuclear question. Is it possible that the president is playing the game hes playing with north korea and maybe even playing the game hes playing with iran and their Nuclear Program<\/a> in part because someone once told him some Missile Defense<\/a> wildly optimistic numbers that made him believe Nuclear Missiles<\/a> arent actually dangerous anymore . Is it possible hes playing the games hes playing because he doesnt think theres a real risk because he thinks Missile Defense<\/a> is magic . Nuclear question one and nuclear question two, did he actually blow up the iran deal today . If so, is that dangerous . Joining us now, our nuclear joe, thank you for being here. My pleasure, rachel. Nuclear question one, does the president have a wildly optimistic view of Missile Defense<\/a> . Yes, what worries mike breen, war vet, two tours of duty, if your commanders think they have a system that can protect you, they might commit troops under the illusion they can defeat the enemys counterstrike or commit troops to korea thinking you can protect korea or japan or United States<\/a>. You cannot. Theres not a snowballs chance in hell we can sit down a long range simultaneous from a determined foe. When he said it, i thought maybe he was just riffing. Sometimes he veers into tangents and stuff. When he went back to it today, this week, he had numbers. He said 97 possibility. So therefore, if you send two, youre guaranteed that youll be able to knock them down. Like its an impenetrable shield. Do you even know what he is referring to, even if he is incorrect . I do. There has been some testimony years ago by proponents of the Missile Defense<\/a> system that cited numbers saying, if you do this, shoot four of the interceptors at each Ballistic Missile<\/a> you have a 97 chance of knocking them down. Turns out thats not true but some people did say it. That was four interceptors. Not one, not two. You have to do four. Glen kesler in the Washington Post<\/a> took this apart in todays edition. Quoting experts and showing why the math is wrong, why those assumptions are wrong and that we have some of these missiles that the missile interceptors we depend on. We know they have faulty circuits in them. We know the kill vehicle in some of the gmds in alaska. We know if we fire them they wont work. You cant count on a third of the force. Do you believe, if he has got that kind of specific misunderstanding. Do you believe that may be one of the things that is under undergirdi undergirding the kinds of decisions he has made on nuclear decisions. The kind of decisions he has made on Nuclear Policy<\/a> both around north korea but also this iran deal announcement today . Yes. He wants to assure the American Public<\/a> that, even though he is being aggressive and tough, he can protect us. He will protect us. And thats what he is talking to his crowd about. Thats what he is bragging about a couple days ago. Dont worry. I got this. Its dangerous territory. Our msnbc Nuclear Security<\/a> expert. President of the plough shares fund. Thank you. Always talking to you about super scary stuff. Youre so nice about it. Well be right back. Stay with us. Shut down cold symptoms fast with maximum strength alka seltzer plus liquid gels. 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After all this time we have been following the story for months now with no way to make heads nor tails of it. We finally got something. It was august 9th. Cbs radio was first to report, vaguely, cryptically on u. S. Diplomats showing symptoms of something in cuba. Later that day, the ap flushed it out a little bit and said americans working for the u. S. Government in cuba had suffered hearing loss. For t then the injuries got worse and scarier. Permanent hearing loss. Mild traumatic brain injury. Central nervous system damage. Headaches, dizziness. Memory loss. By the end of august, the state department confirmed that 16 u. S. Diplomats had been hurt. State Department Officials<\/a> at the time said they had no idea why. They did, though, say they were sure it was over. They said the incidents are no longer occurring. That was august 24th. Eight days later, the incidents were occurring again. The state Department Said<\/a> the number of sick diplomats rose to 19 people. Three weeks later, it rose to 21. Then the number rose to 22. We dont know if 22 was some sort of magic number. Without really offering an explanation of what had changed and why they were reacting this way, at the end of last month the state department really did take dramatic action. In one fell swoop, more than half the u. S. Diplomats in cuba were ordered to leave. All nonessential personnel ordered out along with families. They limited short term travel to cuba. Announced u. S. Delegations would not travel to cuba for meetings. Issued a travel warning for american civilians that we shouldnt visit. Suspended routine issuing of visas. Dramatic actions. They didnt say why or what changed about this crisis the u. S. Has been so cagey and tightlipped about . Why the sudden dramatic action . We still dont know. White house chief of staff said yesterday they believe the cuban government could stop the diplomat attacks if they wanted to. We dont know what he means by that either since the u. S. Doesnt appear to be blaming the cuban government for carrying out the attacks in the first place. But there has been speculation since day one that some sort of sonic weapon might be to blame for all of it. That speculation has been, in part, because the first reported system was hearing loss. I think the speculation has been there in part because we know there is such thing as a sonic weapon. The u. S. Navy used them against the is somali pirates. The other reason people suspected the injuries to americans, that they may have been caused by sound weapons is because a lot of people who were hurt described hearing a sound when they were injured. From a u. S. Press. A blaring, grinding noise jolted one american diplomat from his bed in a havana hotel. He moved a few feet and there was silence. It was as if he had walked through some invisible wall cutting straight through his roof. Others felt vibrations, heard sounds, loud ringing or high chirped singing. Now we have the noise. The Associated Press<\/a> reviewed several recordings from havana taken under different circumstances. All variations of the same highpitched sound. Individuals who have heard the noise in havana confirm the recordings are generally consistent with what they heard. One told the ap, thats the sound. Now, because ap got this sound, we can play it for you. Dont freak out. I can tell you the recording itself as played through your tv is not dangerous to listen to. I swear. I have listened to it like a thousand times. You ready . Weve got the sound. Here it is. [ high pitched screeching sound ] so the ap published that short piece of sound, five seconds long. They say when they had it analyzed turns out its 20 or more different frequencies or pitches embedded in the sound. The recording of the sound and others like it have been played for people still working at the u. S. Embassy to teach them what a listen for. Theyve been given recorders so they can turn them on and try to capture the sound if they hear anything like it. The recordings were sent to the navy to try to figure out what they might mean. Also to the intelligence services. We dont know what type of device made the noise, who set it up. Why or how it might hurt people. Now, finally, after months of speculations beings we do at least have a noise. [ high pitched screeching noise ] we dont know what it means. The mystery continues. I will tell you, the nbc news was first to report on this about the vehemence with which the cuban government denied having anything to do with it which has led to interesting speculation about whether or not this might be the work of another government that has considerable leeway to operate in cuba. North korea doesnt have an embassy here but they have one in cuba. Russians have a lot of facilities in havana specifically and in cuba. Syria, iran have embassies in havana. Could it be some other government. Is there somebody over whom the cuban government could exert control to stop this even if theyre not doing it themselves . We dont know. But at least weve got a sound. And thats got to be part of starting to figure this thing out. That does it for us tonight. See you again on monday. Now its time for the last word. Ali velshi is in for lawrence tonight. Can you stay one extra minute. I am an economics guy. 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