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MSNBCW The Rachel Maddow Show November 21, 2017
I mean, just in terms of me and my staff putting this show together, what we thought was going to be on the show at the start of the workday today changed 100 over the course of today. Over the course of this day and afternoon and evening where big news just keeps breaking. So lets start at the top, which tonight feels like starting at the bottom of the barrel. The
Washington Post
published a long stomach churning expo say describing eight women making
Sexual Misconduct
against charlie rose. Charlie rose is accused by more than a half dozen women that work in various capacities of unwanted sexual advances and groping and lewd calls and frequently figuring outweighs to take off all his clothes around a series of his female workers. He got them alone even though they thought it was a
Work Environment
. He hosts on pbs and bloomberg tv thats been suspended and a highprofile cohost of the daily morning show at cbs this morning and a contributing correspondent for 06 60 minutes. That news breaking today in the
Washington Post
and that news about charlie rose comes immediately on the heels of news from the
New York Times
that they have suspended their highprofile
White House Reporter
glen thrush after vox. Com this morning published a number of
Sexual Harassment
claims against thrush. Most of them were during his time as a reporter at poll lit c politico. Com. That brought us to the news that broke this evening in reuters. 21 1st century fox reached a settlement. Fox, of course, has previously been known to have paid tens of millions of dollars to a large number of women that made
Sexual Harassment
claims about the
Work Environment
and
Workplace Behavior
by specific personalities and executives at fox but according to reuters tonight, the settlement will result in an additional 90 million being paid out, this time to shareholders of the company. The 90 million will come from insurers of fox officers, fox directors and roger ailes estate. But again, if this settlement is approved by a judge overseeing this matter, this will be another 90 million paid out in fox news
Sexual Harassment
claims and those are just the media
Sexual Harassment
and sexual abuse claims for the day. Today was the day a second woman came forward to say she was touched inappropriately by senator al franken. This took place at the
Minnesota State
fair in 2010. That would be when al franken was a
United States
senator and that would mean if frankens case is taken up by the
Senate Ethics
committee the jurisdiction question if it happened while a senator would be different for this alleged case in 2010 as compared to the one last week which was from before when he was a senator and then there is the case of roy moore, the candidate who is remaining in that senate race despite the
National Republican
party and almost every sitting republican senator calling on him to drop out calling on allegations of him making sexual advances on teenagers. Well have more on that story later in the show tonight but this weekend, the largest papers in the state of alabama made news by forcefully and unequivocally and aggressively endorsing roy moores challenger for that senate seat doug jones. In washington today, the big news is the
Trump Administration
decided to declare north korea is a state sponsor of terrorism. The u. S. Flipped back and forth on this designation for north korea over the years. There is no sign that todays announcement from the
Trump Administration
is based on any new information about north korea so this appears to have not necessarily been driven by events but a strategy decision by the
Trump Administration
as to whether or not this is a good strategy decision, dont know. It is hard to anticipate how a decoloration, might affect the on going insult go around that our president has adopted as his strategy toward the north
Korean Leader
on a personal level. Then late tonight came this headline from nbc news. The president is closing his controversial selfnamed
Charitable Foundation
. The
Trump Foundation
is closing. Now, reporting on the dubious financial practices of the
Trump Foundation
last year earned
Washington Post
reporter a politzer prize. Thats how we learned that trump himself had not donated any money to his own
Charitable Foundation
since at least 2008. Since that round of reporting sparked by the president s
Campaign Last
year, since that round of reporting began, the
Trump Foundation
admitted formally to selfdealing, meaning it disbursed
Charitable Funds
to benefit trumps rather than for a charitable purpose. The foundation is under intense legal scrutiny in the state of new york. That leads to a really interesting detail to watch in this story as notes at nbcnews. Com tonight even though
President Trump
may wish to nail closed his
Charitable Foundation
and indeed he may have started the process of desolving it, legally, he might not be able to close it. While the foundation is under legal skrut kncrutiny by the at general. You cannot evade legal skrut knee to cease to exist by the organization. On the russia investigation, the
Washington Post
had a long somewhat ominous report on what its like to work in the white house right now under the spector of
Robert Muellers
special counsel investigation. According to the report in the post today, witnesses questioned by mullers team warned that investigators are asking them about foreign contacts and meetings that have not yet become public. Which means quote, expect a series of new public revelations. Recent revelations over the past few days have not been great for current senior white house staff particularly white house
Senior Advisor
Jared Kushner
. We learned he told two committees he was unaware of contacts between the
Trump Campaign
and wikileaks. Those congressional committees we know have proof, documented evidence that
Jared Kushner
was not only notified during the campaign the campaign was in touch with wikileaks, he went further than receiving information by email, he turn that information around and forwarded it himself to another member of the campaign staff, which is going to make it hard for him to explain why he denied any knowledge of that under oath. In addition,
Jared Kushner
appears to have omitted any mention to investigators of yet another overture to the
Trump Campaign
. Jared kushner reportedly received and responded at the bank of russia who was linked to
Vladimir Putin
and accused of having tied to russia organized crime with this latest set of reports,
Jared Kushner
, im not exaggerating here,
Jared Kushner
appears to have had more contact with more different russians during the campaign and transition than any other
Senior Member
of the
Trump Campaign
that we yet know about. Jared kushner has within 100 unforthcoming about those contacts, at least in the first instance and he continues to serve at the highest levels in the white house. And that would seem to be an untameable situation in the long run. But it remains to be seen what
Robert Muellers
inquiry will do with this continually evolving, not good information about kushner and how honest hes being and what kinds of contacts he had with russia while russia was attacking the election to benefit trump. So eyes on
Jared Kushner
now. Were also right now waiting for the
White House Communications
director hope hicks to have her scheduled interview with
Robert Muellers
investigators. Were told the hope hicks interview may happen as soon as this week. Crucial question, its not clear whether hicks will be called to testify to the grand jury. In addition to speaking with mullers prosecutors in an interview setting. So we dont know when the hope hicks interview and or testimony will be but we expect it should be any day now if it hasnt happened already. So like i said, busy day. [ laughter ] all of that is going on in the news now. Thats the kind of news cycle were in now and on top of that,
Charles Manson
died. News at which the world does not weep. In august 1970,
Charles Manson
was on trial with two accomplices for multiple murders when the man who was president at the time threw that
Charles Manson
trial into chaos. The president totally messed it up. I noted for example the coverage of the
Charles Manson
case when i was in los angeles. Front page every day in the papers that usually got a couple minutes on the evening news. Here is a man who is guilty, directly or indirectly of eight murders without reason. On his way back to washington from san cla memente called a n conference and the president made the flat statement that
Charles Manson
who is on trial for his life in los angeles is guilty, directly or indirectly of eight murders. A few minutes later, his press secretary called back and said he was retracting the president s statement because he had failed in referring to man son, failed to use the word alleged. But by then the trial in los angeles had been thrown into a small uproar. Had been thrown into a small uproar. Charles manson, of course, proved to be profoundly guilty, but when youre president , you cant prejudice the outcome of any on going criminal trial by making a
Statement Like
that in public. If somebody is on trial, if youre the president , you cant say that, a person is guilty. Short of a pardon, thats the best way a president has to set somebody free by screwing up a prosecution that way. Still, for whatever reason nixon said it, the white house spokesman tried to resend it right after nixon said it. Nixon had to come out later on after his spokesman tried to take it back and say he didnt really mean to say what he had said, but he had said it. This was the cover of the l. A. Times the next day. Look at that. Thats how big the headline read. Man s manson guilty, mansons lawyers held up that headline in court and used it to call for a mistrial. And the judge had to make the call. And ultimately, the judge didnt allow for a mistrial but could have. When the jurors were supposed to be sequestered from news about the manson case but once the president proclaims a defendant to be guilty, there are reasonable worries that the president declaring the defendant to be guilty might leak through to the jury. The jurors might unavoidably hear that news or see it in the paper in threeinch headlines. President s are not supposed to influence
Law Enforcement
or have way over the behavior when it comes to federal
Law Enforcement
. Its a very, very, very bright line and all sorts of stuff to worry about. One of the bright lines to worry about, one of the things actually worth keeping you up at night is the question of whether or not
Law Enforcement
is being perverted for political means. Richard nixon was a president who didnt get that. He crossed over that line frequently and easily and thats ultimately what led to his resignation of president. The letters were about obstruction of justice, interference with
Law Enforcement
. This is a big thing that president s can get wrong, it could get you im peempeached a accidently springing
Charles Manson
from the murder trial. In nixons case it got his attorney general convicted. In nixons case it resulted in the first time we had a criminal conviction of a u. S. Attorney general. For the first time in american history, a former attorney general of the
United States
richard pleaded guilty today to a crime. He admitted to federal judge george heart in washington he with held information from the
Senate Judiciary
committee during his confirmation hearings. This information provided a president ial order to drop anti trust proceedings against itnt. The former attorney general entered the plea swiftly in a wri written statement he said he regretted not having been more candidate and there had been no white house interference in the itt case, when in fact, there was. This was all that was seen outside. His car sped away from the courthouse basement. He will be sentenced early next month. Nixons attorney general pled guilty to lying to congress about something called the itt case. The itt case was an anti trust case brought by the
Justice Department
when nixon was president and it was a case that nixon as president corrupted. And incidentally kleindienst has the itt thing settled. He cut a deal with itt, now this is a very very hush hush and it has to be engineered very delicately and it will take six months to do properly. But. Does itt have any money . Geneen . Geneen, yes. Thats part of the ball game. As nixon in the
Oval Office Tapes
talking about the corrupt deal he cut with itt and how the money part of it should be settled later because this has to be very hush, hush. Not very subtle. What that was about is this company itt wanted to merge. Justice department sued them on anti trust grounds and said no, you cant merge with the companies and buy the companies and then nixon quite bluntly arranged for that suit by the
Justice Department
to be dropped and settled in exchange for itt giving a bunch of money. The itt scandal was basical lal tangent where they went after the itt scandal. They got the attorney general scalp to show for it. It was interference in the
Law Enforcement
functions of the
Justice Department
if there hadnt been money or a bribery component of it, it still would have been illegal influence by the president to have done what he did in that case. More than anything what made nixon, more than anything what resulted in the watergate catastrop catastrophe, what led to that is nixon not keeping his pause off the
Justice Department
and
Law Enforcement
. He treated
Law Enforcement
as his own and because that is a violation of the law and because that is a violation of our american norms and widely viewed as the lesson of what went wrong with the nixon presidency, since nixon resigned we did not see a president overt political pressure on the
Justice Deputy
and its
Law Enforcement
decisions. We didnt see that for more than a generation. We are very obviously seeing that now. President trump has proudly publicly pressured the
Justice Department
to prosecute his political component. Hes proudly publicly pressured the attorney general to try to get him to reverse his recusare. Federal prosecutor jobs in high profile jurisdictions where he has business or other interests. And now in this nuts news cycle, there are two new reports, one high profile, one lower profile about
President Trump
exerting or appearing to exert improper influence on the decisions of the
Justice Department
when it comes to something quite important. The lower profile incident was reported at the
Washington Post
by
National Security
reporter. Quote
Justice Department
officials are preparing to announce several cases involving iranian suspects in the coming months. Now thats the lead. Its kind of a weird lead. Why would we know in advance there are going to be announcements about specific kinds of suspects being charged with crimes . Why would you know that in advance to get to the why you have to read into the sublead which is the important part of this story. Quote, last month
National Security
prols csecutors were t to look at any on going investigations involving iran or iranian nationals with an eye toward making them public. Quote, the push to announce iran related cases caused internal alarm with
Law Enforcement
officials fearing they are publicized cases because the
Trump Administration
would
Washington Post<\/a> published a long stomach churning expo say describing eight women making
Sexual Misconduct<\/a> against charlie rose. Charlie rose is accused by more than a half dozen women that work in various capacities of unwanted sexual advances and groping and lewd calls and frequently figuring outweighs to take off all his clothes around a series of his female workers. He got them alone even though they thought it was a
Work Environment<\/a>. He hosts on pbs and bloomberg tv thats been suspended and a highprofile cohost of the daily morning show at cbs this morning and a contributing correspondent for 06 60 minutes. That news breaking today in the
Washington Post<\/a> and that news about charlie rose comes immediately on the heels of news from the
New York Times<\/a> that they have suspended their highprofile
White House Reporter<\/a> glen thrush after vox. Com this morning published a number of
Sexual Harassment<\/a> claims against thrush. Most of them were during his time as a reporter at poll lit c politico. Com. That brought us to the news that broke this evening in reuters. 21 1st century fox reached a settlement. Fox, of course, has previously been known to have paid tens of millions of dollars to a large number of women that made
Sexual Harassment<\/a> claims about the
Work Environment<\/a> and
Workplace Behavior<\/a> by specific personalities and executives at fox but according to reuters tonight, the settlement will result in an additional 90 million being paid out, this time to shareholders of the company. The 90 million will come from insurers of fox officers, fox directors and roger ailes estate. But again, if this settlement is approved by a judge overseeing this matter, this will be another 90 million paid out in fox news
Sexual Harassment<\/a> claims and those are just the media
Sexual Harassment<\/a> and sexual abuse claims for the day. Today was the day a second woman came forward to say she was touched inappropriately by senator al franken. This took place at the
Minnesota State<\/a> fair in 2010. That would be when al franken was a
United States<\/a> senator and that would mean if frankens case is taken up by the
Senate Ethics<\/a> committee the jurisdiction question if it happened while a senator would be different for this alleged case in 2010 as compared to the one last week which was from before when he was a senator and then there is the case of roy moore, the candidate who is remaining in that senate race despite the
National Republican<\/a> party and almost every sitting republican senator calling on him to drop out calling on allegations of him making sexual advances on teenagers. Well have more on that story later in the show tonight but this weekend, the largest papers in the state of alabama made news by forcefully and unequivocally and aggressively endorsing roy moores challenger for that senate seat doug jones. In washington today, the big news is the
Trump Administration<\/a> decided to declare north korea is a state sponsor of terrorism. The u. S. Flipped back and forth on this designation for north korea over the years. There is no sign that todays announcement from the
Trump Administration<\/a> is based on any new information about north korea so this appears to have not necessarily been driven by events but a strategy decision by the
Trump Administration<\/a> as to whether or not this is a good strategy decision, dont know. It is hard to anticipate how a decoloration, might affect the on going insult go around that our president has adopted as his strategy toward the north
Korean Leader<\/a> on a personal level. Then late tonight came this headline from nbc news. The president is closing his controversial selfnamed
Charitable Foundation<\/a>. The
Trump Foundation<\/a> is closing. Now, reporting on the dubious financial practices of the
Trump Foundation<\/a> last year earned
Washington Post<\/a> reporter a politzer prize. Thats how we learned that trump himself had not donated any money to his own
Charitable Foundation<\/a> since at least 2008. Since that round of reporting sparked by the president s
Campaign Last<\/a> year, since that round of reporting began, the
Trump Foundation<\/a> admitted formally to selfdealing, meaning it disbursed
Charitable Funds<\/a> to benefit trumps rather than for a charitable purpose. The foundation is under intense legal scrutiny in the state of new york. That leads to a really interesting detail to watch in this story as notes at nbcnews. Com tonight even though
President Trump<\/a> may wish to nail closed his
Charitable Foundation<\/a> and indeed he may have started the process of desolving it, legally, he might not be able to close it. While the foundation is under legal skrut kncrutiny by the at general. You cannot evade legal skrut knee to cease to exist by the organization. On the russia investigation, the
Washington Post<\/a> had a long somewhat ominous report on what its like to work in the white house right now under the spector of
Robert Muellers<\/a> special counsel investigation. According to the report in the post today, witnesses questioned by mullers team warned that investigators are asking them about foreign contacts and meetings that have not yet become public. Which means quote, expect a series of new public revelations. Recent revelations over the past few days have not been great for current senior white house staff particularly white house
Senior Advisor<\/a>
Jared Kushner<\/a>. We learned he told two committees he was unaware of contacts between the
Trump Campaign<\/a> and wikileaks. Those congressional committees we know have proof, documented evidence that
Jared Kushner<\/a> was not only notified during the campaign the campaign was in touch with wikileaks, he went further than receiving information by email, he turn that information around and forwarded it himself to another member of the campaign staff, which is going to make it hard for him to explain why he denied any knowledge of that under oath. In addition,
Jared Kushner<\/a> appears to have omitted any mention to investigators of yet another overture to the
Trump Campaign<\/a>. Jared kushner reportedly received and responded at the bank of russia who was linked to
Vladimir Putin<\/a> and accused of having tied to russia organized crime with this latest set of reports,
Jared Kushner<\/a>, im not exaggerating here,
Jared Kushner<\/a> appears to have had more contact with more different russians during the campaign and transition than any other
Senior Member<\/a> of the
Trump Campaign<\/a> that we yet know about. Jared kushner has within 100 unforthcoming about those contacts, at least in the first instance and he continues to serve at the highest levels in the white house. And that would seem to be an untameable situation in the long run. But it remains to be seen what
Robert Muellers<\/a> inquiry will do with this continually evolving, not good information about kushner and how honest hes being and what kinds of contacts he had with russia while russia was attacking the election to benefit trump. So eyes on
Jared Kushner<\/a> now. Were also right now waiting for the
White House Communications<\/a> director hope hicks to have her scheduled interview with
Robert Muellers<\/a> investigators. Were told the hope hicks interview may happen as soon as this week. Crucial question, its not clear whether hicks will be called to testify to the grand jury. In addition to speaking with mullers prosecutors in an interview setting. So we dont know when the hope hicks interview and or testimony will be but we expect it should be any day now if it hasnt happened already. So like i said, busy day. [ laughter ] all of that is going on in the news now. Thats the kind of news cycle were in now and on top of that,
Charles Manson<\/a> died. News at which the world does not weep. In august 1970,
Charles Manson<\/a> was on trial with two accomplices for multiple murders when the man who was president at the time threw that
Charles Manson<\/a> trial into chaos. The president totally messed it up. I noted for example the coverage of the
Charles Manson<\/a> case when i was in los angeles. Front page every day in the papers that usually got a couple minutes on the evening news. Here is a man who is guilty, directly or indirectly of eight murders without reason. On his way back to washington from san cla memente called a n conference and the president made the flat statement that
Charles Manson<\/a> who is on trial for his life in los angeles is guilty, directly or indirectly of eight murders. A few minutes later, his press secretary called back and said he was retracting the president s statement because he had failed in referring to man son, failed to use the word alleged. But by then the trial in los angeles had been thrown into a small uproar. Had been thrown into a small uproar. Charles manson, of course, proved to be profoundly guilty, but when youre president , you cant prejudice the outcome of any on going criminal trial by making a
Statement Like<\/a> that in public. If somebody is on trial, if youre the president , you cant say that, a person is guilty. Short of a pardon, thats the best way a president has to set somebody free by screwing up a prosecution that way. Still, for whatever reason nixon said it, the white house spokesman tried to resend it right after nixon said it. Nixon had to come out later on after his spokesman tried to take it back and say he didnt really mean to say what he had said, but he had said it. This was the cover of the l. A. Times the next day. Look at that. Thats how big the headline read. Man s manson guilty, mansons lawyers held up that headline in court and used it to call for a mistrial. And the judge had to make the call. And ultimately, the judge didnt allow for a mistrial but could have. When the jurors were supposed to be sequestered from news about the manson case but once the president proclaims a defendant to be guilty, there are reasonable worries that the president declaring the defendant to be guilty might leak through to the jury. The jurors might unavoidably hear that news or see it in the paper in threeinch headlines. President s are not supposed to influence
Law Enforcement<\/a> or have way over the behavior when it comes to federal
Law Enforcement<\/a>. Its a very, very, very bright line and all sorts of stuff to worry about. One of the bright lines to worry about, one of the things actually worth keeping you up at night is the question of whether or not
Law Enforcement<\/a> is being perverted for political means. Richard nixon was a president who didnt get that. He crossed over that line frequently and easily and thats ultimately what led to his resignation of president. The letters were about obstruction of justice, interference with
Law Enforcement<\/a>. This is a big thing that president s can get wrong, it could get you im peempeached a accidently springing
Charles Manson<\/a> from the murder trial. In nixons case it got his attorney general convicted. In nixons case it resulted in the first time we had a criminal conviction of a u. S. Attorney general. For the first time in american history, a former attorney general of the
United States<\/a> richard pleaded guilty today to a crime. He admitted to federal judge george heart in washington he with held information from the
Senate Judiciary<\/a> committee during his confirmation hearings. This information provided a president ial order to drop anti trust proceedings against itnt. The former attorney general entered the plea swiftly in a wri written statement he said he regretted not having been more candidate and there had been no white house interference in the itt case, when in fact, there was. This was all that was seen outside. His car sped away from the courthouse basement. He will be sentenced early next month. Nixons attorney general pled guilty to lying to congress about something called the itt case. The itt case was an anti trust case brought by the
Justice Department<\/a> when nixon was president and it was a case that nixon as president corrupted. And incidentally kleindienst has the itt thing settled. He cut a deal with itt, now this is a very very hush hush and it has to be engineered very delicately and it will take six months to do properly. But. Does itt have any money . Geneen . Geneen, yes. Thats part of the ball game. As nixon in the
Oval Office Tapes<\/a> talking about the corrupt deal he cut with itt and how the money part of it should be settled later because this has to be very hush, hush. Not very subtle. What that was about is this company itt wanted to merge. Justice department sued them on anti trust grounds and said no, you cant merge with the companies and buy the companies and then nixon quite bluntly arranged for that suit by the
Justice Department<\/a> to be dropped and settled in exchange for itt giving a bunch of money. The itt scandal was basical lal tangent where they went after the itt scandal. They got the attorney general scalp to show for it. It was interference in the
Law Enforcement<\/a> functions of the
Justice Department<\/a> if there hadnt been money or a bribery component of it, it still would have been illegal influence by the president to have done what he did in that case. More than anything what made nixon, more than anything what resulted in the watergate catastrop catastrophe, what led to that is nixon not keeping his pause off the
Justice Department<\/a> and
Law Enforcement<\/a>. He treated
Law Enforcement<\/a> as his own and because that is a violation of the law and because that is a violation of our american norms and widely viewed as the lesson of what went wrong with the nixon presidency, since nixon resigned we did not see a president overt political pressure on the
Justice Deputy<\/a> and its
Law Enforcement<\/a> decisions. We didnt see that for more than a generation. We are very obviously seeing that now. President trump has proudly publicly pressured the
Justice Department<\/a> to prosecute his political component. Hes proudly publicly pressured the attorney general to try to get him to reverse his recusare. Federal prosecutor jobs in high profile jurisdictions where he has business or other interests. And now in this nuts news cycle, there are two new reports, one high profile, one lower profile about
President Trump<\/a> exerting or appearing to exert improper influence on the decisions of the
Justice Department<\/a> when it comes to something quite important. The lower profile incident was reported at the
Washington Post<\/a> by
National Security<\/a> reporter. Quote
Justice Department<\/a> officials are preparing to announce several cases involving iranian suspects in the coming months. Now thats the lead. Its kind of a weird lead. Why would we know in advance there are going to be announcements about specific kinds of suspects being charged with crimes . Why would you know that in advance to get to the why you have to read into the sublead which is the important part of this story. Quote, last month
National Security<\/a> prols csecutors were t to look at any on going investigations involving iran or iranian nationals with an eye toward making them public. Quote, the push to announce iran related cases caused internal alarm with
Law Enforcement<\/a> officials fearing they are publicized cases because the
Trump Administration<\/a> would
Like Congress<\/a> to impose sanctions on iran. Federal
Law Enforcement<\/a> have voiced concerns that announcing the cases rather than keeping them under sale could imperil on going work or catch suspects that might travel out of iran. If this is accurate, you can look through the lens of what is going on through iran. The
Trump Administration<\/a> is reportedly, pushing the
National Security<\/a> prosecutors at the
Justice Department<\/a> to unseal specific cases they are working on for political affect even though it might negatively affect the ability to prosecute cases. This is like is huge red flag in terms of the independence of the
Justice Department<\/a> and federal
Law Enforcement<\/a>. So that i think ended up being a lower profile story because it broke on sunday night but then there is tonights bombshell
Financial Page<\/a> reporting that for the first time in decades, the
Justice Department<\/a> will be filing an
Anti Trust Lawsuit<\/a> against at t to block the acquisition of timewarner. However you feel, if you feel anything about it at all, this president declared once this merger was announced that if he became president , he would make sure it never happened. Thats not your decision as president. On november 8th, the
New York Times<\/a> reported that the
Justice Department<\/a> under
President Trump<\/a> told timewarner they would have to spin off and get rid of cnn if they wanted this multi billiondollar merger to go forward. I mean, with any other president it would be weird to consider the personal agenda whether or not the
Justice Department<\/a> was going to court to block a merger like this. But the
Justice Department<\/a> hasnt tried to block a merger like this in decades and with this president , he hasnt just hinted at that as a motivation for the actions of his administration, hes threatened thats what he will do amid a cascade of behavior and comments by the president that made clear he sees the
Justice Department<\/a> and power of
Law Enforcement<\/a> as his personal political arsenal. Unprecedented since nixon. If only because everybody is supposed to know thats what brought nixon down. In the midst of that, there is
Something Else<\/a> that has just broken in the news, which is also about the
Justice Department<\/a> ill confess to absolutely not understanding with that match up of what is going on in the white house and
Justice Department<\/a>, there is a report about the muller investigation and new reporting in the russia investigation essentially, the
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Counsel Robert Mueller<\/a> was appointed by the second in command at the
Justice Department<\/a> by the
Deputy Attorney<\/a> general. He reports to the
Deputy Attorney<\/a> general. He could be fired by the
Deputy Attorney<\/a> general and that arrangement between muller and the
Justice Department<\/a> makes this a potentially awkward piece of news. Siting a source who has not seen the request but told about it, abc news now reports the special
Counsel Robert Mueller<\/a> just demanded that the
Justice Department<\/a> itself should hand over a bunch of documents that pertain to mullers investigation. Nbc news has not confirmed this reporting but abc news is is reporting that sometime in the last month or so, the special counsel demanded documents from the
Justice Department<\/a>, special counsel reportedly particularly interested in emails relating to the president firing james comey and before that, attorney general
Jeff Sessions<\/a> decision to recuse himself from things related to russia or the 2016 campaign. The director marks the special counsels first records request to the
Justice Department<\/a> and it now means that muller is demanding documents from the department overseeing his investigation. And i mean, you know, carry the three, right . Put these things together. I think this means that the
Justice Department<\/a> by way of special
Counsel Robert Mueller<\/a> just supay psubpoenaed himself. New and awkward things every day at least for this go around for the president and administration. Joining us is a senior counsel on the ken star investigation during the clinton administration. Hes currently a senior fellow at the r think institute. I really appreciate your time tonight. Thank you for being here. Thank you very much for having me. Im not an expert in these matters. Im an observer. The
Justice Department<\/a> demanding documents from itself to me feels strange. Feels like something i havent seen before. Is this an unusual move . Unusual and not. The not portion is of course, muller is going to want to get all of the documentary evidence relating to anything hes investigating and in this instance, the issue at hand is potential obstruction of justice materials naturally going to want the documents. Which makes this odd is even though de facto, he is independent of the department of justice. He is as you pointed out under law part of the department. This is like a demanding documents. Its a reason we had independent counsel law to put the independent counsel formally in the judicial branch. Now that thats gone away were left with this unusual circumstance and an interesting story. This would be unusual and would have that almost backwards dynamic youre describing if the
Deputy Attorney<\/a> general was not himself directly personally a player in the obstruction of justice matter that is being investigated here. Rod rosenstein of course played a key role in the public explanation what happen in the firing of james comey. Is it possible
Robert Mueller<\/a> in requiring documents from the
Justice Department<\/a> around that matter that
Robert Mueller<\/a> would see that as inappropriate as a potential witness. Is there anybody else he would go to or take it to rosenstein himself . I imagine the document request was sent to the liaison. One thing im not sure about is if its a subpoena or demand that doesnt have the force of law but to the extent the
Deputy Attorney<\/a> general is a witness in this case and right to say that this aspect of the case suggests he might be, then the natural order of things oversight would fall to the associate attorney general, rachel brand who would be responsible for managing the departments response to mr. Mullers request at least in the formal way. Do we have as the public, do we have right to information about this process . Nbc news has not confirmed this report that were basing this discussion on and i know a little bit about what parts of the government are subject to foyer requests and weve seen in the manafort and gates a gag order from the court barring people involved from talking to the press or anybody outside the court. When it comes to matters of recusal document requests, things like this handled, do we have any right to know . In general, the answer is no. In general, criminal investigations are exempt from requests and general are subject to a subject rule. Rule 60 of the federal laws of criminal procedure. The violation which is actually a crime. That having been said, the confa yal confidentiality is on him and his team. There is nothing that says the recipient of a document request like the department of justice could not disclose it if it wanted to. I dont imagine the department wants to much. That gives me a good idea how to spend my afternoon tomorrow trying to figure this out. Former senior counsel on the ken star investigation and first time youve ever been here. Appreciate your time. I hope you come back. Thanks for having me. When you work for a president who counts himself among the very, very, very, capital very very rich in the category of going along okay, you might want help paying the lawyers you need on account of your rich president boss. Would be human to want help and tonight, that dynamic between you and your rich boss would be big news. Thats coming up. Stay with us. Y mutual saved us t eight hundred dollars when we switched our auto and home insurance. Liberty did what . Yeah, they saved us a ton, which gave us a little wiggle room in our budget. Wish our insurance did that. Then we could get a real babysitter instead of your brother. Hey, welcome back. This guy. Right . Yes. Ellen. Thats my robe. You could save seven hundred eighty two dollars when liberty stands with you. Liberty mutual insurance. Im all about my bed. This mattress is dangerously comfortable. When i get in, i literally say ahh. America loves the leesa mattress. We have more five star customer reviews than any other mattress of its kind. This bed hugs my body. Today is gonna be great. Order now and get 125 off. Plus, a free pillow worth 75. And
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Trump Administration<\/a> and staffers who are staring down the barrel of really big legal bills. And all of them have been on the hook for their own legal fees up to and including the
Vice President<\/a> of the
United States<\/a>, mike pence. But not the trump family. President trump and his eldest son, they have been having their legal fees paid for by the
Republican National<\/a> committee and by the
Trump Reelection Campaign<\/a>. The
Republican Party<\/a>, the rnc for example spent 167,000 on donald juniors lawyer in september alone. Which is awkward and would seem to be counter strategy for somebody whose current and former staffers are talking to federal investigators right now. Somebody like chief of staff
Reince Priebus<\/a> was heard of the rnc for what, six years . He doesnt get legal bills paid for by the rnc but donald junior does . Who decided that . Honestly, was there a formal decision made at the rnc . No, were not going to use donors money to pay for normal staffers or our former employees but we will pay for the billionaire president s grown son. [ laughter ] and the billionaire president himself him but nobody else. This is such a weird and unexplained arrangement. Well, on friday it started to change. Shannon at
Bloomberg News<\/a> reported
President Trump<\/a> would start paying his own legal fees. And he would maybe start paying for the legal fees of current and former white house staffers or maybe he would set up some mechanism by which other people could pay for the legal bills of those staffers maybe. That was friday. Well, now tonight, shannon reports that the
Trump Campaign<\/a>, the campaign, the
Trump Reelection Campaign<\/a> is going to stop paying for donald juniors legal bills. And thats not because hes going to cover them himself or his dad is going to cover them. They will set up a
Campaign Legal<\/a> fund to pay the legal fees of
Campaign Staffers<\/a> and done junior even though don junior wasnt a campaign staffer. Donej junior even though don junior wasnt a campaign staffer. We have reporting the
Trump Campaign<\/a> stopped paying donald juniors legal fees. What about the rnc and
Republican Party<\/a> . Have they stopped paying and who decided to pay them on the first place . We still dont have a sat t satisfactory answer why the
Republican Party<\/a> was paying the legal bills. Dont know why that was set up or reportedly stopping now. The lawyer ty cobb said paying his own legal fees was quote always
President Trump<\/a>s preference. So why didnt he . [ laughter ] if he really wanted to pay his own legal fees, what, did the rnc body block him . I mean, does the president think it was a bad idea for the
Republican Party<\/a> and donors to be paying for him and his son . If so, why doesnt he repay them . So many questions. Joining us is
White House Correspondent<\/a> for
Bloomberg News<\/a>. Nice to have you with us tonight. Thank you for being here. Thank you. This story confounds me. Its confounded me from the very first inkling we got from members of the administration and campaign would need provide legal counsel. Without getting into the all the back and forth detail that i just ran through in the new reporting, do you understand basically what is going on in terms of paying for legal fees in this investigation . Is there some method to the madness here . I understand what is going on at the moment but i thought i understood that before and i have been asking the questions youve been asking since the summer, since the investigation started heating up who will pay the legal bills and ask the campaign and rnc and individual lawyers and it was a question people couldnt answer for me for the longest time. Then finally it seemed there was resolution that the president would have his bills covered by the rnc and campaign ask campaign would pick up bills for the staffers but now of course, its changed again. There has been endless back and forth between the lawyers. As it stands now, they are looking at setting up two
Legal Defense<\/a> funds, these are common funds that people have set up in the past. One for white house staffers and one for
Campaign Staffers<\/a> and the big question out there right now is whether the president will be able to contribute to one or either of these funds. Its something thats on the table that they are looking at right now but we dont have the answer to that yet. Funny this is happening at the same time, like on the same night were getting reporting that the president is closing down his
Charitable Foundation<\/a> and we know how he handled financing through the charity in order to handle business expe e expenses and settle legal disputes and things like that. The idea the president wants to contribute to legal fees is hard to square with the fact hes the only person we know aside from his adult son who had legal fees paid for by other people thus far. Does the do we know for sure that the rnc is only been paying for donald trump senior and junior . Is it possible they have been paying for anybody else . It is because we dont have the filings yet. The most recent filing we have is from the third quarter. There could be more. It raised a lot of peoples eyebrows to see the bills from donald trump junior and people that worked on the campaign with staffers faced with 30, 60, 100,000 in legal bills liquidating
College Funds<\/a> and yes, when they saw 286,000 is the most recent number we had going to donald trump junior and nobody else there were a lot of questions and frustrated
Campaign Staffers<\/a>. Is this is controversy within the
Republican Party<\/a> how these decisions were made and who is responsible for the outcomes . There is plenty of donors who donated money to the
Trump Campaign<\/a> and rnc and donated money to help get republicans elected to office not to pay for legal fees from the past campaign. One of the reasons the president s lawyers said they are now having the president pick up his own legal bills, they wanted to keep that money in the rnc coffers to help e lkt republicans and campaign is a similar situation. The
Trump Campaign<\/a> is limited as to how much they can fund raise. They are an official campaign so they can only raise so much prom individuals between now and 2020. They want as much money as they can to actually help with the reelection, not pay what could be millions and millions of dollars in legal bills. They have spent 2 million in legal bills. Wow. Draining the rnc and the president s
Reelection Campaign<\/a> to pay for legal bills not everyone a year into administration. This is a remarkable thing. Thank you for being here. Im super glad this is part of your beat at bloomberg and i feel like eventual actually this will turn into part of the story and i think chance fixes the country. Its confusing but will be a really important part of it. Thanks for helping us understand your reporting. Thank you. Well be right back, stay with us. Ere. I can guide you in . No, thanks , santa, i got this. Looks a little tight. Perfect fit. Santa needs an f150. Thats ford, americas best selling brand. Hurry in today for 0 financing for 72 months across the full line of ford cars, trucks and suvs and just announced. Get 0 apr for 72 months plus 1000 cash back take advantage of these exclusive holiday offers during the ford year end sales event. Whentrust the brand doctors trust for themselves. Nexium 24hr is the number one choice of doctors and pharmacists for their own frequent heartburn. And all day all night protection. When it comes to frequent heartburn, trust nexium 24hr. I realize that ah, that 100k is notwell, a 103fortune. Yeah, 103. Well, let me ask you guys. How long did it take you two to save that . A long time. Then its a fortune. Well, im sure you talk to people all the time who think 100k is just pocket change. Right now were just talking to you. I told you we had a fortune. Yes, you did. Getting closer to your investment goals starts with a conversation. Schedule a complimentary goal
Planning Session<\/a> today. Heads up. On something that we have known was brewing for a while but which now might be both starting to move fast and it may be starting to turn into a big, big deal. Veterans groups are saying they were blindsided when the white house started holding quiet meetings this past week to start the process of radically undermining health care for veterans at the va. The white house reportedly starting quiet talks to fold
Veterans Health<\/a> care into a private health care run by the defense department. News of the plan stirred alarm from veterans groups who said they had not been consulted. One official from the
American Legion<\/a> telling the military times, quote, we certainly want to be brought into the conversation or at least notified about it. Trumps va secretary is aligning himself now with the conservative groups. Many of them funded by the
Koch Brothers<\/a>, conservative groups fighting a sort of
Stealth Campaign<\/a> over the past few years to do away with the
Va Health Care<\/a> system, to privatize it. From wall street journal today, top official at the
Veterans Affairs<\/a> wants private sector providers to play a large ericsson role in
Veterans Health<\/a> and said in an interview to make the
Hospital System<\/a> compete with private sector providers for military veteran cust mores. When the wall street journal buoyanted out what he was saying in line with what the
Koch Brothers<\/a> and conservative
Donor Network<\/a> agitating for, the secretary responded, quote, well if it is thats by coincidence. Just like maybe its a coincidence that veterans groups watching out for whats happening with their health care. Groups have been on alert against privatizing the va. Im sure its a coincidence they didnt see it coming at all. Must have happened when they blinked. That the
Trump Administration<\/a> is actively considering this program for veterans is one thing. That veterans themselves kept in the dark is a good sign about the character of what theyre trying to do. Privatizing the va, we have known they wanted to do this for the last few years. Theyre actually moving on it now and they have to keep vets groups in the dark to do it. Watch this space. [bell rings] every year we take a girls trip. Remember nashville . Kimchi bbq. Amazing honky tonk . I cant believe you got us tickets. I did. I didnt pay for anything. You never do. Send me what i owe. I got it. I mean, you did find money to buy those boots. Are you serious . Is that why you dont like them . Those boots could make a unicorn cry. Yeah, tears of joy. The bank of america mobile banking app. The fast, secure and simple way to send money. I love you, droolius caesar, but sometimes you stink. Febreze car vent clip cleans away odors for up to 30 days. Because the things you love can stink. Pudding. Pudding. [sigh] did grandpa win again . What do you think . Yes download the new words with friends 2 today. Whstuff happens. Old shut down cold symptoms fast with maximum strength alka seltzer plus liquid gels. Its tempting to keep your eyes on the president here in this clip. Watch the cabinet officials around him trying to pretend like they cant hear anything thats being said. For the media, to the press, really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. Your thoughts on roy moore, mr. President . Do you believe his accusers . Do you believe roy moores accusers, mr. President . Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much. Cannot hear you. Cant hear. Cant understand the nouns you said there. Thank you. Anybody have any coloring i could work on . 11 days after the
Washington Post<\/a> first reported on multiple allegations of
Sexual Misconduct<\/a> against
Senate Candidate<\/a> roy moore the president will not still not answer a single question about mr. Moore but despite the president himself not talking about it the white house appears to have settled on the line of choice which is that the people of alabama should decide. Support for roy moore among republicans in d. C. Fallen off a cliff and support of republican officials in alabama remains strong. States republican governor who was the
Lieutenant Governor<\/a> who got the big chair herself because of another sex scandal that forced out the predecessor in alabama, shees on board with roy moore. Alabama
Republican Party<\/a> sticking with him. As are many of the states elected republican officials. Theyre all steadfast in the support for roy moore despite the allegations against him. By at least nine women. But now, even his support back home appears to be getting the first hairline cracks. The
Young Republican Federation<\/a> of alabama, a group of alabama republicans between the ages of 18 and 40, yes, 40 is young announced over the weekend that they have suspended their support for roy moore. Latest polls also show some real hesitance of alabama voters. Two thirds of alabama voters tend to vote republicans and now
Democrat Doug Jones<\/a> shown winning the race. Who knows whether polling means anything anymore in america but the trend line is showing the blue line ever so slightly above the red line there. That was before three of alabamas largest newspapers this weekend ran this shared editorial on their front pages. Not just above the fold but above everything else. Stand for democracy. Excuse me. Stand for decent sy. Reject roy moore. We dont know ultimately what effect that will have. Today the alabama secretary of state told nbc news he is expecting lower than typical turnout in that special election. As well as a higher than expected number of writein votes. Secretary said he lowered the initial turnout projection as high as 25 to the 18 to 20 range predicting nearly 250,000 fewer balloted fewer. How this affects the vote on december 12th is anybodys guess and things seem to be changing not just in the country but in alabama on this one. Well see you tomorrow. Now its time for the last word with lawrence odonnell. Good evening. Good evening, rachel. Well have ted baits on, one of the members that wrote that endorsing doug jeans saying it was the only only decent person on the ballot, qualified, for the
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