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Mattered most . This weekend all eyes are on South Carolina. Most of the Democratic Candidates are there. Theyre all trying to get the support of black voters in the palmetto state. This country doesnt have to be made great again. It is already great. Jim clyburns world famous fish fry last night. There was two tons of whiting and more calls for President Trumps impeachment. I think i win the election easier, im not sure i like having it. I did nothing wrong. I was spied on. It is saturday, june 22nd. Even though hes been running for reelection since day, President Trump formally kicked off his campaign in orlando with a speech key hahe could have ded in 2016. There were calls to drain the swamp, lock her up and build the wall. Hes talking about the wall. Its beautiful. I changed the design. He said i made it stronger, bigger, better, cheaper. Remember that wall i pulled out of my [ bleep ] and never delivered on . Its better than ever. Up with me this morning is ned price now an Msnbc National Security analyst. Laura barronlopez is a political reporter for policeco and liz winstat, the creator of the daily show. Barry mccaffrey is a military analyst for nbc news. The general is with us this morning. We begin with the middle east. President trumps decision to call off a strike against iran after a u. S. Drone was shot down over the strait of hormuz. U. S. Officials say the drone was flying in International Airspace, iran says it was in he iranian airspace. On friday President Trump said the u. S. Military was cocked and loaded for a strike against iran but called it off with ten minutes to spare when a general told him 150 people would probably die in the attack. The president elaborated on his decision during an exclusive interview that will air in full tomorrow on nbcs meet the press with chucked to. Im not looking for war. If there is, it will be owe obliteration like you have never seen before. Im not looking to do that. You cant have a nuclear weapon. You want to talk, good otherwise you can have a bad economy for the next three years. No preconditions . Not as far as im concerned. As we piece together what happened we are trying to figure out what could happen next and what the consequences are for u. S. Foreign policy. Cory shockey on the National Security council writes this, the administration points a gun but wont pull the trigger. That will encourage other adversaries to challenge america in other theaters. Barry mccaffrey, let me start with you. What do we gain here by piecing together what happened . What does it tell you, the narrative and what we know of it in the situation room on thursday night. Im not sure we understand fully who was advising the president. Secretary pompeo is in the room. Bolton is in the room. Others apparently possibly over unsecure phones had access to the president s thinking. For sure the president s explanation is implausible. The notion learned only at the last mine that 150 iranians could have been killed. He could have said strike targets that involve no potential loss of life. Five static aircraft on the ground. The radar system for the missile site that shot down a global hawk. I think hes making it up as he goes along. Theres an impulsivity to this National Security process. There are not options being analyzed by the elements of government and the National Security council is essentially dysfunctional. We have a flawed process. I think the jcs finally got to the president and said you risk escalation, an ugly shooting war in the gulf. Six tankers did get attacked by the iranians in international waters. They did shoot down a 1 120 million global hawk in International Airspace according to the threestar air force guy opt ground. We have a problem. Trump inherited it but hes making the situation. Ned price, i want to ask about the argument of proportionality. There are International Laws surrounding the way a country can respond to an attack like this one, the drone being shot down. The fact he was going to go ahead with this attack that would have resulted in the deaths of 150 people, is not proportionate to what happened. The president would not be able undertake a strike without first understanding, digesting, considering, wrestling with the potential casualties. This is not what happened. The story that the president has told, the story that has continued to change. We learned yesterday planes were not in the air. We also learned yesterday that he was, in fact, briefed on potential casualties before this. By the way, it wasnt by a general as he told chuck todd yesterday. So we still dont know why trump called this operation off. There are any number of possibilities. Perhaps it had something to do with casualties. I think women and children in yemen might find that ironic. Perhaps it was because military officials talked him out of it. Perhaps it was because Tucker Carlson talked him out of it. Theres a concept that the simplest explanation is usually the right one. When you have a simple leader, the simple explanation is probably the right one. Trump just changed his mind. Laura barronlopez, i want to ask about the outcome. For two and half years President Trump has veered between bellicose threats against meshamericas enemies a getting the u. S. Out of inta intractable wars, now he had a chance to choose. I think it was shocking that the president was tweeting about it, but the president says one thing, i dont want to go to war, then the attack on the tankers wasnt anything big. Then you have bolton and pompeo saying different things. Other officials in his administration being more aggressive. So that sends a lot of mixed signals. Its difficult to tell what exactly trumps Foreign Policy is. Liz what do you mike how were peegsi ingpiecing this to. I keep using that phrase n, but there was no press briefing, there is a plasticity to this tale. There hasnt been a press briefing in 100 days or something. There you go. To me, the thing we all looked at is him all of a sudden having a proportionality crisis, when this is a person whoa use a jackhammer when an allen wrench would do almost all the time. When we look at proportionality with this, or title ten funding that was destroyed, the ruling said hhs would be permanently harmed if we continued to fund clinics that actually provide comprehensive healthcare. Proportionality is not even a word that should come out of his mouth. He doesnt fundamentally understand it. Not in the lexicon for the president. No. General mccaffrey, let me turn to you again, to look ahead here to the consequences of this, is it your sense that a strike along the lines of the one the president was considering is now off the table . By scuttling this in the way he did or the way he tells us he did, does that take it off the table . I doubt cory shockey is just saying this, but there will not be a war in the middle east unless theres a miscalculation by the iranians. If they struck one of our ships or downed one of our aircraft that would prompt a strong u. S. Military response. Other than that it makes no sense to fight in the persian gulf. Military power could take out their irgc naval elements for sure in 72 hours. We cant keep the gulf open with military power. We cant get their Nuclear Weapons with military power. The iranians dont want a fight. The saudis clearly will be a target. The iranians will try to bring in the israelis. Thoughtful people will pull back and at some point we have to talk to these people and reestablish a nuclear accord. Ned price, you worked at the National Security council in the way it should or has or different times. We have not had a crisis like the one we had thursday night during the course of this presidency. What does this portend about how the president and how his advisers, both acting and confirmed will react to situations in the future. This administration has not faced a crisis that was not of its own making. Hardliners have dictated the contours of this crisis. I mean that both here in the United States and in iran. Our hard liners when it comes to ir iran, people like mike pompeo and john bolton were wanting maximum pressure so iron would cow into a better deal. Rather than restricting Irans Nuclear program, iran is accelerating elements of it. Iran is now emboldened. Rather than subdue ironans behavior, they are emboldened. I think the challenge is hardliners have been in the drivers seat. They brought us to the point of a near conflict, near confrontation a couple nights ago. The challenge is President Trump has not intervened. The first time he intervened was a couple nights ago when he called off the strike. Laura, you covered congress before. A stunning admission on the House Speakers part is she did not hear from the white house before this happened. What does that say to you, the one second in line to the presidency was not informed that this was considered. Its not surprising considering the relationship between the House Democrats and the administration. It does, as you mentioned, it represents a brief of protocol, norms that have existed prior to the Trump Administration. Which is when youre about to take a step like this, you do notify congress. Also theres a whole question of not having an authorization for use of military force which is Something Congress has not taken up eventually, and something democrats are hoping they can do. But this raises the question of whether or not trump even has certain authorizations to take action. Well come back in a moment. My thank to barry mccaffrey. Appreciate the time. You can see that interview with President Trump tomorrow on meet the press with chuck todd. Jerry nadler says hope hicks refusal to answer questions will help him and democrats. I will sit down with jeh johnson for an exclusive interview. We will talk about the i. C. E. Raids the Trump Administration has planned for tomorrow. First the battle between former Vice President joe biden and senator cooker. I thicory booker. I dont feel like i want an apology to me. This is something that he should speak to the public about. I think he has an opportunity here. N opportunity here oh i love it. Its a great razor. It has that fence in the middle. It gives a nice smooth shave. Intand ux f sport,rst of its kind lexus ux also available in hybrid allwheel drive. Lease the 2019 ux 200 for 329 month for 36 months. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. gasp singsong budget meeting sweet. If you compare last quarter to this quarter. Various mmm. Its no wonder everything seems a little better with the creamy taste of philly, made with fresh milk and real cream. I come facetoface with a lot of behinds. So i know theres a big need for new gasx maximum strength. It relieves pressure, bloating and discomfort fast. So no one needs to know youve got gas. Gasx. So no one needs to know youve got gas. That i won the best of i casweepstakes it. And i get to be in this geico commercial . Lets do the eyebrows first, just tease it a little. Slather it all over, dont hold back. Well, the squirrels followed me all the way out to california and theres a very strange badger staring at me. No, i cant believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my Car Insurance with geico. Uhhuh, wheres the camel . Mr. Big shots got his own trailer. Wheeeeeee believe it geico could save you 15 or more on Car Insurance. Welcome back to up. This morning 22 democratic president ial hopefuls are in the palmetto state, the early he voting state of South Carolina making that pitch to a critical voting block, black voters. All eyes are on former Vice President joe biden who is still atempting to smooth things over after his controversial comments about working with segregationist senators. His 2020 rival cory booker thinks he should apologize. Is this direct confrontation about race or could it be a new phase for xwocory booker. Laura, help us understand the dynamic here. It could be about the big issues or intraparty politics. Whats your sense on whats been happening. This raises the larger question that a lot of people in the democratic primary have been asking is whether or not the party passed biden by. Has that happened . Is he just too out of touch with a lot of the policies they are all trumpeting now. One of those issues is the question of how to address thorny subjects such as race. Biden decided to say i can work across the aisle or i can work in a bipartisan manner with people i dont agree with, because i worked with fervent segregationists while i was in the senate. That didnt sit well with a number of africanamerican lawmakers. Clyburn did come to bidens defense, so did another prominent black republican, but booker took a hard line saying you need to apologize, so did ka Kamala Harris and biden said no, i think you should apologize. This is back to your question, david, i think this is a bit of both. I think booker and harris probably do believe deep down there shouldnt be a nominee who speaks this way about race. But also it provides them an opening to attack the frontrunner. Through your work on reproductive rights, i want to read a quote from the New York Times. Joe biden spent the early months of his third president ial bid doing a lot of explaining justifying and pushing back. One thing he has not done is bow to critics and apologize outright this has been a hugely difficult thing for him. Even in the controversy surrounding anita hill, and the details of that apology are elusive. When we talk about Strom Thurmonds south, his nickname, Strom Thurmond was spermen thurmond because women were advised not to go in the elev e elevator with him. His horrible past and then joe bidens history of saying i can appease and work with people and i dont support hyde and i have the ability to smell peoples hair because thats what i do. Do you really . What does orrin hatchs hair smell like . Its a totality that goes to your point. Has the bDemocratic Party and or society passed him by as far as like what is organically going to come to him as a leader and how that serves where were going as a nation. Ned price, i dont mean to have you read from your book, but help us understand how this is playing out in that field of these 22 plus candidates running for the democratic nomination. Your candidate, running an oped proposing the douglas plan to deal with issues of discrimination. This is a moment where this is falling, where this conversation is falling and a broader discussion about race, about black americans and the democratic he electorate. I do work for and advise a rifle candidat rival candidate and you wont find me saying a critical word about joe biden. He is someone who served all americans admirably. No one is accusing Vice President joe biden of being a racist. Theyre accusing him of not being of the moment. Asking whether this person who has been repeating some of these lines for years and years in some cases to no reaction is now the appropriate nominee for a party thats moving in a different direction. Thats a legitimate question to ask. I think cory booker put it well when he said this is not any ordinary moment. These things that may not have registered three, four, five years ago when Vice President biden was mentioning his work with Strom Thurmond or segregationist senators are registering now because we have a president in the oval office who gives voice to white nationalists, gives voice to racists, tries to disenfranchise minority voters, preys on our worst instincts. Its my sense you cant ignore that. We will come back in a moment. President trump has promised to round up millions of undocument the immigrants, i. C. E. Is planning raids in several cities starting tomorrow. Former secretary of Homeland Security jeh johnson will join me for a conversation about that next. Applebees new loaded chicken fajitas. Now only 10. 99. At panera, our salads with peakseason berries. Creamy avocado. And a dressing fit for a goddess. Come taste what a salad should be. And order online for delivery right to you. Panera. Food as it should be. So chantix can help you quit slow turkey. Rkey. Along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. With chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting. Chantix reduces the urge so when the day arrives, youll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. When you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. Stop chantix and get help right away if you have changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, depressed mood, suicidal thoughts or actions, seizures, new or worse heart or blood vessel problems, sleepwalking, or lifethreatening allergic and skin reactions. Decrease alcohol use. Use caution driving or operating machinery. Tell your doctor if youve had Mental Health problems. The most common side effect is nausea. Quit smoking slow turkey. Talk to your doctor about chantix. Watch, many more people will come up. Thats what happened. President obama is the one who built those brizen ce prison ce. The government doesnt know how many children are still not with their parents. They dont know, which i find inhe credible. I put them together. Im the one that changed the plan. I changed the plan and i brought people together. That was President Trump speaking on telemundo in the president s first interview with the Spanish Language broadcaster. There are 19,000 immigrants in South Carolina<\/a>. Most of the Democratic Candidates<\/a> are there. Theyre all trying to get the support of black voters in the palmetto state. This country doesnt have to be made great again. It is already great. Jim clyburns world famous fish fry last night. There was two tons of whiting and more calls for President Trump<\/a>s impeachment. I think i win the election easier, im not sure i like having it. I did nothing wrong. I was spied on. It is saturday, june 22nd. Even though hes been running for reelection since day, President Trump<\/a> formally kicked off his campaign in orlando with a speech key hahe could have ded in 2016. There were calls to drain the swamp, lock her up and build the wall. Hes talking about the wall. Its beautiful. I changed the design. He said i made it stronger, bigger, better, cheaper. Remember that wall i pulled out of my [ bleep ] and never delivered on . Its better than ever. Up with me this morning is ned price now an Msnbc National Security<\/a> analyst. Laura barronlopez is a political reporter for policeco and liz winstat, the creator of the daily show. Barry mccaffrey is a military analyst for nbc news. The general is with us this morning. We begin with the middle east. President trumps decision to call off a strike against iran after a u. S. Drone was shot down over the strait of hormuz. U. S. Officials say the drone was flying in International Airspace<\/a>, iran says it was in he iranian airspace. On friday President Trump<\/a> said the u. S. Military was cocked and loaded for a strike against iran but called it off with ten minutes to spare when a general told him 150 people would probably die in the attack. The president elaborated on his decision during an exclusive interview that will air in full tomorrow on nbcs meet the press with chucked to. Im not looking for war. If there is, it will be owe obliteration like you have never seen before. Im not looking to do that. You cant have a nuclear weapon. You want to talk, good otherwise you can have a bad economy for the next three years. No preconditions . Not as far as im concerned. As we piece together what happened we are trying to figure out what could happen next and what the consequences are for u. S. Foreign policy. Cory shockey on the National Security<\/a> council writes this, the administration points a gun but wont pull the trigger. That will encourage other adversaries to challenge america in other theaters. Barry mccaffrey, let me start with you. What do we gain here by piecing together what happened . What does it tell you, the narrative and what we know of it in the situation room on thursday night. Im not sure we understand fully who was advising the president. Secretary pompeo is in the room. Bolton is in the room. Others apparently possibly over unsecure phones had access to the president s thinking. For sure the president s explanation is implausible. The notion learned only at the last mine that 150 iranians could have been killed. He could have said strike targets that involve no potential loss of life. Five static aircraft on the ground. The radar system for the missile site that shot down a global hawk. I think hes making it up as he goes along. Theres an impulsivity to this National Security<\/a> process. There are not options being analyzed by the elements of government and the National Security<\/a> council is essentially dysfunctional. We have a flawed process. I think the jcs finally got to the president and said you risk escalation, an ugly shooting war in the gulf. Six tankers did get attacked by the iranians in international waters. They did shoot down a 1 120 million global hawk in International Airspace<\/a> according to the threestar air force guy opt ground. We have a problem. Trump inherited it but hes making the situation. Ned price, i want to ask about the argument of proportionality. There are International Laws<\/a> surrounding the way a country can respond to an attack like this one, the drone being shot down. The fact he was going to go ahead with this attack that would have resulted in the deaths of 150 people, is not proportionate to what happened. The president would not be able undertake a strike without first understanding, digesting, considering, wrestling with the potential casualties. This is not what happened. The story that the president has told, the story that has continued to change. We learned yesterday planes were not in the air. We also learned yesterday that he was, in fact, briefed on potential casualties before this. By the way, it wasnt by a general as he told chuck todd yesterday. So we still dont know why trump called this operation off. There are any number of possibilities. Perhaps it had something to do with casualties. I think women and children in yemen might find that ironic. Perhaps it was because military officials talked him out of it. Perhaps it was because Tucker Carlson<\/a> talked him out of it. Theres a concept that the simplest explanation is usually the right one. When you have a simple leader, the simple explanation is probably the right one. Trump just changed his mind. Laura barronlopez, i want to ask about the outcome. For two and half years President Trump<\/a> has veered between bellicose threats against meshamericas enemies a getting the u. S. Out of inta intractable wars, now he had a chance to choose. I think it was shocking that the president was tweeting about it, but the president says one thing, i dont want to go to war, then the attack on the tankers wasnt anything big. Then you have bolton and pompeo saying different things. Other officials in his administration being more aggressive. So that sends a lot of mixed signals. Its difficult to tell what exactly trumps Foreign Policy<\/a> is. Liz what do you mike how were peegsi ingpiecing this to. I keep using that phrase n, but there was no press briefing, there is a plasticity to this tale. There hasnt been a press briefing in 100 days or something. There you go. To me, the thing we all looked at is him all of a sudden having a proportionality crisis, when this is a person whoa use a jackhammer when an allen wrench would do almost all the time. When we look at proportionality with this, or title ten funding that was destroyed, the ruling said hhs would be permanently harmed if we continued to fund clinics that actually provide comprehensive healthcare. Proportionality is not even a word that should come out of his mouth. He doesnt fundamentally understand it. Not in the lexicon for the president. No. General mccaffrey, let me turn to you again, to look ahead here to the consequences of this, is it your sense that a strike along the lines of the one the president was considering is now off the table . By scuttling this in the way he did or the way he tells us he did, does that take it off the table . I doubt cory shockey is just saying this, but there will not be a war in the middle east unless theres a miscalculation by the iranians. If they struck one of our ships or downed one of our aircraft that would prompt a strong u. S. Military response. Other than that it makes no sense to fight in the persian gulf. Military power could take out their irgc naval elements for sure in 72 hours. We cant keep the gulf open with military power. We cant get their Nuclear Weapons<\/a> with military power. The iranians dont want a fight. The saudis clearly will be a target. The iranians will try to bring in the israelis. Thoughtful people will pull back and at some point we have to talk to these people and reestablish a nuclear accord. Ned price, you worked at the National Security<\/a> council in the way it should or has or different times. We have not had a crisis like the one we had thursday night during the course of this presidency. What does this portend about how the president and how his advisers, both acting and confirmed will react to situations in the future. This administration has not faced a crisis that was not of its own making. Hardliners have dictated the contours of this crisis. I mean that both here in the United States<\/a> and in iran. Our hard liners when it comes to ir iran, people like mike pompeo and john bolton were wanting maximum pressure so iron would cow into a better deal. Rather than restricting Irans Nuclear<\/a> program, iran is accelerating elements of it. Iran is now emboldened. Rather than subdue ironans behavior, they are emboldened. I think the challenge is hardliners have been in the drivers seat. They brought us to the point of a near conflict, near confrontation a couple nights ago. The challenge is President Trump<\/a> has not intervened. The first time he intervened was a couple nights ago when he called off the strike. Laura, you covered congress before. A stunning admission on the House Speaker<\/a>s part is she did not hear from the white house before this happened. What does that say to you, the one second in line to the presidency was not informed that this was considered. Its not surprising considering the relationship between the House Democrats<\/a> and the administration. It does, as you mentioned, it represents a brief of protocol, norms that have existed prior to the Trump Administration<\/a>. Which is when youre about to take a step like this, you do notify congress. Also theres a whole question of not having an authorization for use of military force which is Something Congress<\/a> has not taken up eventually, and something democrats are hoping they can do. But this raises the question of whether or not trump even has certain authorizations to take action. Well come back in a moment. My thank to barry mccaffrey. Appreciate the time. You can see that interview with President Trump<\/a> tomorrow on meet the press with chuck todd. Jerry nadler says hope hicks refusal to answer questions will help him and democrats. I will sit down with jeh johnson for an exclusive interview. We will talk about the i. C. E. Raids the Trump Administration<\/a> has planned for tomorrow. First the battle between former Vice President<\/a> joe biden and senator cooker. I thicory booker. I dont feel like i want an apology to me. This is something that he should speak to the public about. I think he has an opportunity here. N opportunity here oh i love it. Its a great razor. It has that fence in the middle. It gives a nice smooth shave. Intand ux f sport,rst of its kind lexus ux also available in hybrid allwheel drive. Lease the 2019 ux 200 for 329 month for 36 months. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. gasp singsong budget meeting sweet. If you compare last quarter to this quarter. Various mmm. Its no wonder everything seems a little better with the creamy taste of philly, made with fresh milk and real cream. I come facetoface with a lot of behinds. So i know theres a big need for new gasx maximum strength. It relieves pressure, bloating and discomfort fast. So no one needs to know youve got gas. Gasx. So no one needs to know youve got gas. That i won the best of i casweepstakes it. And i get to be in this geico commercial . Lets do the eyebrows first, just tease it a little. Slather it all over, dont hold back. Well, the squirrels followed me all the way out to california and theres a very strange badger staring at me. No, i cant believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my Car Insurance<\/a> with geico. Uhhuh, wheres the camel . Mr. Big shots got his own trailer. Wheeeeeee believe it geico could save you 15 or more on Car Insurance<\/a>. Welcome back to up. This morning 22 democratic president ial hopefuls are in the palmetto state, the early he voting state of South Carolina<\/a> making that pitch to a critical voting block, black voters. All eyes are on former Vice President<\/a> joe biden who is still atempting to smooth things over after his controversial comments about working with segregationist senators. His 2020 rival cory booker thinks he should apologize. Is this direct confrontation about race or could it be a new phase for xwocory booker. Laura, help us understand the dynamic here. It could be about the big issues or intraparty politics. Whats your sense on whats been happening. This raises the larger question that a lot of people in the democratic primary have been asking is whether or not the party passed biden by. Has that happened . Is he just too out of touch with a lot of the policies they are all trumpeting now. One of those issues is the question of how to address thorny subjects such as race. Biden decided to say i can work across the aisle or i can work in a bipartisan manner with people i dont agree with, because i worked with fervent segregationists while i was in the senate. That didnt sit well with a number of africanamerican lawmakers. Clyburn did come to bidens defense, so did another prominent black republican, but booker took a hard line saying you need to apologize, so did ka Kamala Harris<\/a> and biden said no, i think you should apologize. This is back to your question, david, i think this is a bit of both. I think booker and harris probably do believe deep down there shouldnt be a nominee who speaks this way about race. But also it provides them an opening to attack the frontrunner. Through your work on reproductive rights, i want to read a quote from the New York Times<\/a>. Joe biden spent the early months of his third president ial bid doing a lot of explaining justifying and pushing back. One thing he has not done is bow to critics and apologize outright this has been a hugely difficult thing for him. Even in the controversy surrounding anita hill, and the details of that apology are elusive. When we talk about Strom Thurmonds<\/a> south, his nickname, Strom Thurmond<\/a> was spermen thurmond because women were advised not to go in the elev e elevator with him. His horrible past and then joe bidens history of saying i can appease and work with people and i dont support hyde and i have the ability to smell peoples hair because thats what i do. Do you really . What does orrin hatchs hair smell like . Its a totality that goes to your point. Has the bDemocratic Party<\/a> and or society passed him by as far as like what is organically going to come to him as a leader and how that serves where were going as a nation. Ned price, i dont mean to have you read from your book, but help us understand how this is playing out in that field of these 22 plus candidates running for the democratic nomination. Your candidate, running an oped proposing the douglas plan to deal with issues of discrimination. This is a moment where this is falling, where this conversation is falling and a broader discussion about race, about black americans and the democratic he electorate. I do work for and advise a rifle candidat rival candidate and you wont find me saying a critical word about joe biden. He is someone who served all americans admirably. No one is accusing Vice President<\/a> joe biden of being a racist. Theyre accusing him of not being of the moment. Asking whether this person who has been repeating some of these lines for years and years in some cases to no reaction is now the appropriate nominee for a party thats moving in a different direction. Thats a legitimate question to ask. I think cory booker put it well when he said this is not any ordinary moment. These things that may not have registered three, four, five years ago when Vice President<\/a> biden was mentioning his work with Strom Thurmond<\/a> or segregationist senators are registering now because we have a president in the oval office who gives voice to white nationalists, gives voice to racists, tries to disenfranchise minority voters, preys on our worst instincts. Its my sense you cant ignore that. We will come back in a moment. President trump has promised to round up millions of undocument the immigrants, i. C. E. Is planning raids in several cities starting tomorrow. Former secretary of Homeland Security<\/a> jeh johnson will join me for a conversation about that next. Applebees new loaded chicken fajitas. Now only 10. 99. At panera, our salads with peakseason berries. Creamy avocado. And a dressing fit for a goddess. Come taste what a salad should be. And order online for delivery right to you. Panera. Food as it should be. So chantix can help you quit slow turkey. Rkey. Along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. With chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting. Chantix reduces the urge so when the day arrives, youll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. When you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. Stop chantix and get help right away if you have changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, depressed mood, suicidal thoughts or actions, seizures, new or worse heart or blood vessel problems, sleepwalking, or lifethreatening allergic and skin reactions. Decrease alcohol use. Use caution driving or operating machinery. Tell your doctor if youve had Mental Health<\/a> problems. The most common side effect is nausea. Quit smoking slow turkey. Talk to your doctor about chantix. Watch, many more people will come up. Thats what happened. President obama is the one who built those brizen ce prison ce. The government doesnt know how many children are still not with their parents. They dont know, which i find inhe credible. I put them together. Im the one that changed the plan. I changed the plan and i brought people together. That was President Trump<\/a> speaking on telemundo in the president s first interview with the Spanish Language<\/a> broadcaster. There are 19,000 immigrants in Border Control<\/a> custody, and Officials Say<\/a> they have reached a breaking point. Sources say i. C. E. Will begin a massive roundup of undocumented families with final deportation orders in several cities tomorrow. Joining me now is jay johnson. Let start with these raids. These raids announced. How peculiar is it to do that, give this advanced notice. First, david, i have to respond to the last interview you just showed this has been fact checked about 985 times now. In the Prior Administration<\/a> we had no policy or practice separating families. Lets make that clear. Now, in terms of these Enforcement Actions<\/a> which are apparently intended for tomorrow, even the most aggressive Immigration Enforcement<\/a> person will tell you you dont announce in advance when youre intending to send i. C. E. Ero out to conduct these operations. You dont tip off the very people youre looking for that youre looking for them. Its hard to believe that if tom holm is the immigration czar he would have advised President Trump<\/a> its okay to do this. So theyre starting off at a disadvantage by providing advanced notice. Its important for my grants to know their rights if i. C. E. Ero comes knocking at their door. You cant be deported unless theres been an order of deportation from an immigration judge after you have exhausted your remedies, if you have an asylum application pending, that proceeding has run its course. Any appeals you have may have one their course. If someone is ordered deported in absentia, in many cases they have a right he to a rehearing in person. The acting head of i. C. E. And there is an acting head of i. C. E. Says this is not about fear. This is something the Obama Administration<\/a> did not do, you went after criminals but not families. Tell us why you decided to target certain individuals. Its called prosecutorial discretion, many conservatives say it doesnt exist. Theres discretion about how you apply and enforce the law. In the Prior Administration<\/a> we focussed on haventrecent arrivals at the border but also on criminal. We focussed on convicted felons. And they did my three years in office, while the number of overall deportations went down, the percentage of those deported who were convicted felons, already in detention went up. Little known fact, my last year in office, morale in i. C. E. Went up in dramatically according to the federal Employee Viewpoint<\/a> survey because i asked them to focus more like federal Law Enforcement<\/a> officers and go after the really bad guys. Going back to that interview on telemundo. You heard jose sound surprised that the administration cant say who is where when it comes to children and families. A lot of people are astounded that this policy continues to the extent it does. There were two pieces this week about a facility in clint, texas. The a. P. Had a piece and the New York Times<\/a> had a piece through the advantage of lawyers who are able to go in being housed by the federal government. Lawyers warn that kids are taking care of kids and theres inadequate food, water and sanitation for the 250 infants, children and teens at the Border Patrol<\/a> facility in question. Many facilities have been driven well past their capacities. How do you read those pieces. A year hence, what do you make of the fact that you have children taking care of children. There are children who are children taking care of infants because they had them as young children, their mothers cant be found. Your reaction, your emotional reaction to reading that. The first reaction of any american is there are certain basic human rights, certain level of basic Human Dignity<\/a> that everyone is entitled to. So we all hear these stories with great sympathy. As a former secretary of Homeland Security<\/a> who oversaw this issue for three years, i also know that when you have infrastructure and facilities for x, but you have x times four, its not going to be optimal. The circumstances, the conditions are not going to be optimal. Were at numbers right now, 144,000 apprehensions last month, which are incredible. The high on my watch was 66,000 in may 2014. 144,000, i have no idea what that looks like. That brings me the conditions clearly are not optimal. The Washington Post<\/a> had this piece about a hack on a government contractor, the information those hackers were able to obtain. It paints this picture of this apparatus of government s subcontractors working on Government Border<\/a> issues. How different does this landscape look from when you left government to where it is now when you look at how the border is being handled. My he second year in office we had the Second Lowest<\/a> number of apprehensions on our southern border since 1972. Ap mren shprehensions are a str indicator of total attempts to cross the border. Through much of 2015 and 2016 the numbers were pretty low. We had the spike in 2014, it went down significantly. And the moral of the story, by the way, david, you can do certain things with this administration to change enforcement policy, to ramp it up that will have at best a shortterm impact on the numbers to drive them down. As long as the underlying conditions in Central America<\/a> persist, the push factors, well be doling wie in dealing with t over and over and over again. Thats why its so important to investing to eradicate these policies. The president has suspended that aid, which is the wrong thing to do. Cant let you go without explaining what went on in the situation room on thursday night. Your reaction to the way all of this transpired, from what we have been able to piece together, how out of the norm that is. First, i can understand the difficulty of the decision. I can understand why the commander in chief might have second thoughts. Totally get that. I think there was a little too much transparency twitter transparency . About all of this, which has the potential to seriously compromise such operations in the future. If the president is revealing publicly what the Collateral Damage<\/a> assessment might have been, i can imagine that people in the iranian government might be able to engineer what objectives were. The other point ill make is, its not simply a matter of evaluating an unmanned drone, aerial surveillance versus the possibility that 150 people might be killed. The iranian government is threatening vital International Commerce<\/a> through the strait. I think you have to look at it through that larger context. Hopefully he they will dial back their aggressive actions in the strait, in the gulf in light of having been brought to the edge of this and rethink their strategy. Well have to see. Mr. Secretary, thank you very much. Thank you. Jeh johnson joining me here in new york on set go to msnbc. Com where you can watch the entire South Carolina<\/a> democratic convention. How many times did lawyers stop hope hicks from answering questions this week . Why democrats believe that stonewalling will work to their advantage. Eir advantage. And it really shows. With all that usaa offers why go with anybody else . We know their rates are good, we know that theyre always going to take care of us. It was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. It was funny because when we would call another insurance company, hey would say oh we cant beat usaa were the webber family. Were the tenneys were the hayles, and were usaa members for life. Get your usaa Auto Insurance<\/a> quote today. 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The point was to dramatize for the court what the implications of this are. He said they witnessed an incredib incredible show. Chuck, help me understand chairman nadlers line of thinking here. You look at this transcript, some of the objections do seem surprising. On one hand it seems like it didnt go well, because she didnt answer anything. How key be satis could he be sa . The white house is asserting executive privilege over a bunch of stuff. Executive privilege is a real thing. President s of many administrations asserted it over many years. In order to challenge it, nadler has to get on the record the white houses refusal to permit hicks to answer questions. I he know when lawyers Start Talking<\/a> procedure early in a saturday morning we have doughnuts. Well be all right. Thats procedurally what has to happen. They ask the questions, hopes refuses to answer, now they can go to court and challenge the assertion. Help me with the semantics here. Executive privilege, testimonial immunity, are all these part and parcel of the same thing . No, theyre different things. One is spurious, the other is real. Absolute immunity i think is spurious. Its the notion that you cannot testify you cant even show up, whether you work for the president , a president , doesnt want you testifying, you dont even show up. You have absolute immunity. The only judge who looked at that issue, judge bates about ten years ago, he rejected it. It was a much longer opinion than that. Naturally. If you boil it down, it says n nonsense. Executive privilege is a different thing. Its legitimate. It has to be adjudicated on a question by question witness by witness basis. Judge bates said you have to show up, if you want to assert executive privilege do that in the form in which youve been subpoenaed to, then come back to me and ill decide whether or not the privilege applies. Help me understand this situation here. I have great sympathy for somebody who lives and dies by the alarm. He said he slept through it, wasnt feeling well. Whats odd about this is all the press out the day before this testimony, this interview was to take place. He said he was looking forward to talking. What do you make of him not showing up . I think they probably felt their hands were tied. He doesnt show up. They have been met with a ton of resistance from the administration, from every person that they are trying to get information from, they had just been blocked by hope hicks a number of times. So i think they decided even if this was a case of an alarm clock not going off, they needed to take action. Whats your read of where we are, chuck talking about the legal process, but this is the fundamental debate now, what this congress is able to investigate, how quickly they are able to investigate. Part of it might be that hope hicks thought 150 questions was disproportionate to the one proportionality is the word of the day here. Living as a human in the world, all of this feels so much like putting off the inevitable. At what point if does the inevitable happen . How do we have an entire administration of people shoveling so many cards when some portion of the truth will reveal itself. Chuck, respond to that lastly. A large portion of the truth has been revealed. Its in this thing called the Mueller Report<\/a>. Heard of it. Has anyone read that . I read it. Its fascinating. Its worth reading. Lots of people wont do it. So democrats in the house are trying to bring it to life. Its a laborious process if they cant get people to answer questions. Eventually theyll get some of it. If you want to know what happened, read the report. Theres a blurb from chuck. Check out chucks podcast the oath. Pat fitzgerald is this weeks guest. Up next, new allegation of misconduct against the president , an exclusive interview jean carroll who said a chance meeting with President Trump<\/a> turned into a colossal struggle. Thats when the adrenaline started. It became a fight. And it was it hurt. And it was against my will. And it was against my will a wealth of information. A wealth of perspective. A wealth of opportunities. Thats the clarity you get from fidelity wealth management. Straightforward advice, tailored recommendations, taxefficient investing strategies, and a dedicated advisor to help you grow and protect your wealth. Fidelity wealth management. To help you grow and protect your wealth. Dna results fromt you ancestry. Er with your i was able to discover one cousin, reached out to him, visited ireland, met another 20 cousins. They took me to the cliffs of moher, the ancestral home, the family bar. It really gives you a sense of connection to something thats bigger than yourself. New features. Greater details. 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This is part of an excerpt that centers on her creation of her most hideous men in my life. Your reaction to it. She in this piece says shes the 16th woman to come forward here. Theres a paragraph in which she names the 15 women who have come before her to allege something of this nature, an assault against President Trump<\/a>. I think that something that is super important to remember is women that are e. Jeans age and a lot of these women coming forward. Connie chung came forward with a really powerful story. Women who had to go through so much in situations like that, are only now coming forward because metoo happened. To think that someone should come forward or would come forward. Is absurd to think there was a space for that to happen, for you to ever be living in the world again. I dont understand why somebody would think someone could come forward. Someone stunning how trump drags you publicly for egregious offenses. Shes an incredible woman in her own right. Amazing career, comedy writer. Her book without this exempt would be an incredible book. With this excerpt it fills a time and space especially for somebody like me who has had the same career trajectory, to show what somebody went through of her age and time had to do to survive. The president coming out with this statement immediately after this was published online. Im going to read a little bit from it. Shame on those who make a false stories of assault to try to get publicity for themselves to sell a book or carry out a political agenda. Like Julie Swetnick<\/a> who falsely accused Justice Brett<\/a> cavanaugh. This line the president is drawing between two women accusers. This is something that trump typically does, which is pick an example of something he thinks makes the rest of the accounts or Everything Else<\/a> just false. So and he has denied all of these allegations. And he likes to paint them as fake news or as completely made up and that theres no truth to any of them. But shes the 16th woman to come forward. Against him. And we see no real response. Ever since the, the tape that came out in the 2016 election. Where trump you heard him talk about potentially physically assaulting a woman, other than the initial response to that from republicans, they dont talk about it any more, they dont really address when another woman comes forward to accuse trump. I expect there will be no response to this. And i just have to say to, its the 16th woman, as a woman walking the earth, to have there be no move on the needle, no curiosity, no outrage it makes it pretty hard sometimes to wake up every day. And it seems like a tool of disempowerment of in this larger scope of what were doing and when were looking at assaults on women, on equal pay, on reproductive rights, it really does feel like, a conspiracy. And i dont want to feel paranoid. But it does feel like theres a plan. Thats what gets me. Someone credibly accused the president of the United States<\/a> of rape yesterday. With two contemporaneous witnesses, thats barely registering. Yes, theres 16 others, yes weve seen the access hollywood tape. But we cant lose sight of what this is. And who this person is. The other point from the white house statement that got me yesterday, they called it unrealistic. You know, the president is denying it. Okay. None of us were there. We cant duplicate this on the spot. I think her account is credible there are contemporaneous witnesses. But to call it unrealistic, by someone who has 16 other accusers, the access hollywood tape. How does that happen exactly . One more thing from that statement. Anybody has information that the Democratic Party<\/a> is working with ms. Carroll please notify us as soon as possible. Indicating that the world should know whats really going on is a disgrace and people should pay dearly for such false accusations. Thank you all very much for joining me here in new york. Hope you tune in tomorrow, ill be joined by christine greer, christina beltran. Coming up in our next hour as they make their way to miami, most of the Democratic Candidates<\/a> are spending a big weekend in South Carolina<\/a>. The 2020 contenders getting ready to address the South Carolina<\/a> Democratic Party<\/a> convention. Well take you to columbia, live. Add not one, but two amazing sides. And top it off with dessert. This aussie abundance starts at just 14. 99. Hurry in now play it cool and escape heartburn fast with new tums chewy bites cooling sensation. Tum tum tum tums woman on phone discover. Hi. Do you have a travel card . Yep. Our miles card. Earn unlimited 1. 5 miles and well match it at the end of your first year. Nice im thinking about a scuba diving trip. Woman ooh gasp or not. You okay . Yeah, no, im good. Earn miles. 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Last night the candidates gathered at congressman jim clyburns worldfamous fish fry, where they each had a few minutes to address voters. We make this government work for us and that means were just getting started. We will have a president of the United States<\/a> who is in the business not of beating people down, but lifting people up. Weve got a president today who thinks hes going to win row election by dividing the American People<\/a> up. Whomever the democratic nominee is, we have to Stay Together<\/a> to elect a democrat to the president of the United States<\/a> of america. This is a fish fry, i want to end with this. From one dad, to guy who likes dad jokes, lets not flounder, lets get out there and kick some bass. The growns are audible. The post and courier making this note. Few remember a clyburn fish fry for anything that was said. The point of it it is the scene. Highprofile politicians chowing down on a southern staple and getting loose on the dance floor. For the First Time Since<\/a> he made controversial comments about working with segregationist senators, former Vice President<\/a> joe biden was in the same place as his rivals. Recent survey of South Carolina<\/a>s black democrats still indicate biden has a wide lead over his competitors. White house correspondent for the pbs news hour and an msnbc contributor and cohost of the podcast unredacted. And mara gay is a member of the New York Times<\/a> Editorial Board<\/a> and an msnbc contributor and david coren is the washington, d. C. Editor for mother jones. And in the field garrett headache, the South Carolina<\/a> Democratic State<\/a> Party Convention<\/a> which is beginning at this hour. Garrett for the uninitiated help us understand the fish fry, what it is and what the condiment was that you put on the fish last night. Its such a classic event david. Its oldschool retail politics at its finest. Its almost a patronage event. Youve had jim clyburn who set this event up decades ago to thank his volunteers, its grown into something that draws thousands here. Each candidate gets what they call a generous moment to address the crowd. Anywhere from 45 seconds to a couple of minutes to introduce themselves. From a political standpoint i think the post and courier has it right, you wont impress anybody with your speech. But theres an opportunity for candidates good at retail to work the room, shake hands, look comfortable in this environment and pay homage to jim clyburn who is the states most powerful political figure. In short its a blast. And i think the candidates really enjoy being down here in a very loose environment. And in a week thats a highpressure cooker for them heading into the debate. As for the fish i ate about my weight in it with a ton of hot sauce and a little bud lite to wash it down. I cant complain, this is how campaigning should go. With impunity has garrett headac haik. This moment of patronage when you have to pay respect to jim clyburn. There was a lot of commentary about his week about his role within the Democratic Party<\/a>, about what he represents today as we have this conversation about the Democratic Party<\/a> of 2019. Give us your sense of the role that he plays, the importance of kissing jim clyburns rim ring in columbia. First of all i should say ive had that fish and its really good. The second thing ill say is that jim clyburn in a lot of way sass gate keeper. I remember when covering Bernie Sanders<\/a> there was a big debate about whether or not Bernie Sanders<\/a> even went to jim clyburn to ask for his endorsement when he was running for Hillary Clinton<\/a>. But the idea that jim clyburn is the old school Democratic Party<\/a> there are people you have to pay your dues, you have to come, kiss my ring, understand how the party works. Be in congress for a long time and figure out how things work here. Theres this idea that people are saying look, jim clyburn youre really i think trying to come to the defense of somebody who people say you shouldnt in 2019 you can no longer laugh and joke about joe biden, you can no longer laugh about working with segregationists, the joke was they never called me a boy. You can say we have to work with people who have racist simply racist ideas. But you dont have to it joke about calling someone a boy and you dont have to ask the only black man running for president , cory booker, to apologize to you. Its definitely an important event. There are a lot of people looking and seeing jim clyburn as the past of the Democratic Party<\/a> and thats new era being ushered in by the aocs and other millennial democrats. This fight deerks bait thats broken out between senator booker and former Vice President<\/a> biden. Just the porps of the black vote in South Carolina<\/a> is a huge reason why a lot of the candidates have gone to South Carolina<\/a>. What does that crucible look like to you . How the conversation is playing out there. I think 30 of it seems to be a little inside baseball. I would say the other 70 of it, im not sure in i dont know how the africanamerican vote has been breaking down within the primary field. Sufficient multiple candidates of color and you have someone like Elizabeth Warren<\/a> who i believe is making inroads with people of color and people like buttigieg who is making no words into things people of color. But i think that this issue with biden brings Something Interesting<\/a> to me into the fore. Which is i dont think myself, that joe biden is racist. I dont think that joe biden is sexist. But people are going to wonder if joe biden is the guy to fight racism. To fight sexism. Can you teach an old senator new tricks . Is that enough to, to still want him . Because you think hes the best person to fight against donald trump. Never mind a dog, just an old senator. To philippes point. Theres been so much emphasis in the campaign of presenting him as a candidate who is not out of touch. Weve heard arguments about age. This is something that the campaign is hyperaware of. It wasnt a great moment for joe biden. I dont think the problem is that he was working with senators back in the day. Who were segregationists. Because he was a member of congress and part of his job was to Work Together<\/a> to get things accomplished. I think the problem for me is that he seemed to romanticize this era of quoteunquote civility. As though its something to aspire to. Forgetting or ignoring the real history and the context of that civility. Which is that it was only made possible by a longstanding pact between northern and southern democrats and some republicans in the country, and white politicians everywhere in the country. That started at the end of reconstruction and really, is still in some ways lingering today. Which the pact was, lets exclude black americans from citizenship. And that is you know racist, the central, the central tension in american politics, once youve excluded this idea that americans who are black should get citizenship now you can be civil with one another. That was the pact that existed in american politics for a long time. It means that joe biden may not fully understand or appreciate or being willing to talk about the fact that race is central to american politics and the fact that black americans have paid an extremely high price for that. I just for me, i listen to my dads stories about that time, you know he was born in the late 40s, theres nothing civil about that era. That was an era in which it was a political pact that hes talking about that hes romanticizing that allowed black americans to be lynched. To be discriminated against. To be excluded from every part of american life. So i think clyburn feels that he knows joe biden. I dont think joe biden is a bad man. I think the question is does he understand this, does he care . Can he learn . How does he talk about it . As you were bellying up to the bar to get a bud lite last night is this something that people were talking about . Was this debate something on the minds of those who were gathered there at that event in columbia last night . Its interesting, david, it was, its something that people were keenly aware of. Folks who told me theyre not paying close attention to the race so far. Are aware of this controversy. But i have to tell you among the black voters who i spoke to here in South Carolina<\/a> most of the folks i talked to told me two things. Number one theyre willing to give joe biden a little benefit of the doubt. Dont think hes a racist. They think this was an inartful comment. Dont see him as someone who is a partner of segregationists. They dont want to see him approach this in a trumpian way. The voters i talked to wanted to hear an apology from joe biden. That perhaps he could do better. And the other political dynamic i think is important in this state right now, it does feel like joe biden is running against himself. The level of knowledge about the other candidates, the level that the average voter has dialled in in this state is tell relatively low. Joe biden benefits of the fact that he is such a known commodity in this state. As the other candidates start to rise, the risks for him become a little greater. Right now its joe biden against a bunch of other people that folks have only sort of begun to become familiar with. Theres a great piece by Jonathan Allen<\/a> on nbc news. Com saying this is a race for joe biden to lose, the race is joe bidens to lose at this point. Not to criticize john, i think thats obvious at this point. He comes in with the most name recognition, people know him and most democrats have been supportive of him as Vice President<\/a> and he was seen largely in a positive way by most of the democratic electorate despite problems with the anita hill hearings many years ago. I think he has gotten to the point where well thats joe. Its part of his shtick. It gives him a little bit of protection. But not in this case. There are times when he goes beyond the well, thats joe, argument. I think hes on the cusp of this generational moment. When you talk about clyburn being the old guard. When you talk about aoc and the millennials looking for a different approach to some of these identity questions and racial politics. You talk about how people look for him in a Metoo Movement<\/a> or a moment where racism seems to be on the rise, and particularly fuelled by the president at the moment. Whether he has the ability to meet this moment, his skills as a politician, as a legislator. As an orator, as a generally good guy that people like, are all there. Whether he can meet these other challenges at the age he is, and with all the baggage he has is really the big question that gets to john allens question is whether he can basically beat himself. David to save myself a horrible day on twitter, when i said inside baseball, i meant the booker biden phone call back and forth. Not the whole issue itself. I think the central think thats maybes we sit here is we have a president who ran on make america great. People who saw it as going back to the time when segregationists could be in the Senate Working<\/a> and looking civil while also calling for black people to be killed all over the country. Thats the moment that joe biden is talking about. Thats the moment those men were talking about. Theres a although lot of people i talked to that joe biden is going after this crowd, makes them very nervous. Africanamericans were suffering all over the country because people were quoteunquote getting along. People have seen joe biden going to the moderates as saying look white identity politics is in some ways in peoples minds, he could be going after these people. I think what hes, i think what he thinks hes doing is that hes trying to respond to the divisiveness that trump has bred and hes saying there was a time when we actually, democrats and republicans could talk. Now some of them were segregationists, some of them were bob dole it all blurs together in his mind. Hickenlooper said i can work with mitch and no one wanted to hear that. Were going to leave it there. Thanks to our low country culinary correspondent, garrett haik. Can you watch the the entire South Carolina<\/a> democratic convention. Including the candidates speeches, well be playing close attention to the stage behind garrett there, well bring you the speeches, when they begin. Is staying happy and healthy. 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Here Hillary Clinton<\/a> practices how to avoid a hug from donald trump. Lets pause here to take a look. Ill tell you what her iran plan is, its to pay ransom. Ransom. Did you see that pile of cash . I mean ive got a lot of money, and ive got a big plane, i couldnt fit that much money. It was like, im sorry, i know if i step away, i get too close and she loses the debate shes going to say i got too close, ridiculous, i was standing at my electric tern. There was 1. 7 million in cash they couldnt wire it . Thats ridiculous, i ran a casino, were in vegas, ive anyone seen that much money. The ran himself, its amazing how prescient that was. What are candidates doing ahead of the debates, what should they be doing . Im struck by this line. Gabe benedetti. Who is a friend of the show. No one has any idea on earth about how a candidate is supposed to be prepared. You have 20 different candidates who have 20 different plans. I guarantee you not all 20 are good or smart, you have 20 different people who have debated to different extent. Some are good at it. The biggest thing is, first of all theres a superficial em elment to it. The five of us are wearing makeup. Men are wearing ties, when you first turn it on, were all jaded. You think i know all of these guys. I know all of these candidates, i see them all day on tv. This will be the first time you see them together. It will be like a surprise party. Youre surprised who is there. Like oh wow, pete settle and hes wearing a jacket and bernie came and bernie is bernie and kamala, im so happy kamala is here. Weve never visually seen this. In 2015 had you a bunch of white republicans and Carly Fiorina<\/a> and ben carson. I dont think weve ever seen two women on the same stage. In simple terms if youre preparing to go into this debate. Being a different person than you are before, you have problems. Someone like Elizabeth Warren<\/a> who has great momentum probably going to do well on debates. Shes going to do what shes been doing. Youve got a lot of people out there who are 1 ers, trying to be more. Theres a reason why theyre 1 ers, it might be reinforced. I want to dip into this and see jim clyburn, the congressman from South Carolina<\/a> speaking on the stage at the democratic convention. Lets listen to what he has to say. Congressman i came here today to seek relief from my cotton farm. But thats not whats on my heart. I want to talk to you about the people, the families in my community who go out to work in the morning. Come home after 5 00, in the evenings. They load their children up in automobiles, and take them down to the parking lot of the local library. Where it closes at 5 00. And they sit out in the parking lot in their automobiles to do their homework. Something needs to be done about them. So that might im sharing this with some of my colleagues. And i was told that this is common. That children in my neighborhood go down to the local fast food mcdonalds and sit there in the parking lot of mcdonalds, to do their homework. Because they do not have the internet at home. I think im in touch with the School District<\/a> and i asked them what was the Adoption Rate<\/a> of Clarendon County<\/a> School District<\/a> number one, the home of Scotch Branch<\/a> high school. And they told me that only 34 of the students in their School District<\/a> had the internet. That means that over 60 , about 60 do not have the internet. Now ladies and gentlemen, Clarendon County<\/a> School District<\/a> number one is where brown versus board of education all started. We worked together as a people to get rid of separate but equal. But if we do not do something to connect our children so they can be properly educated in the state that has a sandrd of minimally adequate for education, we are not going to grow good citizens. We have just experienced in South Carolina<\/a>, the closing of five rural hospitals. I dont want to embarrass anybody, but ill name Fairfield County<\/a> closed, Williamsburg County<\/a> closed. Allendale, bamberg, barnwell, these rural hospitals closing. Why . Because we cannot provide them with the ability to do telemedicine. Were not going to do that unless we have broadband in Rural Communities<\/a> in South Carolina<\/a>. This is a great country. It does not have to be made great again. Its a great country and its been a great country for a long, long time. Our challenge, it seems to me, is make the greatest of this country accessible and affordable for all of our citizens. Thats what weve got to do. Jim clyburn there, congressman from the 6th district of South Carolina<\/a>. Speaking at the South Carolina<\/a> democratic convention. Well continue to monitor what the majority whip has to say. Were talking about debates, looking ahead to the debates. Yamish, were talking about the difficulties of prepping for Something Like<\/a> this. Gabe benedetti talking about the risks associated with prepping for them. You can tell from moments in the past you can tell a candidate has something he wants to say. In terms of sheer time limitations how do you avoid that happening . How do the candidates talk to each other . In the past thats what you want. The interaction that philippe was describing a few moments ago between one candidate and the other. I think the worst thing you could have is if you start repeating the same line over and over. Weve seen it in debates in the past you can tell someone had like three talking points and theyre sticking to them for all they can hold. I think especially in this democratic race authenticity is so important. That is good if youre a candidate is good at being authentic and can speak to the things they truly believe. Because i think the things that ive talked to when i talk to sources, they tell me theyre looking for someone who actually believes in what theyre saying, not so much that they agree with everything the person is saying, but they feel like if they check the quote receipts or check their past that they have a consistent viewpoint. Mara weigh in on this, what were going to be listening for on wednesday. What will evince to you the authenticity. I totally agree, i think its authenticity and i think democratic voters, primary voters are looking for something who wants to stand up to donald trump. And there are ways to do that that involve inpeachment or dont but if candidates are on that stage trying to talking about the coming together of americans over middle ground. I dont think thats going to resonate. I think that democrats feel like theyve been beat up for years and they want fire. How much does policy prep matter at this point, versus style . Is he going through briefing books on policy, joe biden or is he going through if joe biden in particular has to study policy at this point, its not going to work out well. He knows what he knows and hes actually a smart guy who has worked object domestic policy, Foreign Policy<\/a>. I expect hell talk about iran, he was involved in that deal, too. I to me whats interesting is you have biden and then you have two or three candidates really, Bernie Sanders<\/a> and Elizabeth Warren<\/a> who are within striking distance. They are one or two or a few points behind and everybody else at 2 or 1 , all of those people are going to want to have a moment. The whole type about run something i can get in the debate. I can have my moment. People will see how great i am. The money will come in, ill shoot up in the polls. Youll have a lot of people trying to figure out what is my moment . Is it the one line that marco rubio said over and over and over again that boom ranged against him in the New Hampshire<\/a> debate . Or is it some gimmick . And are they going to get the chance for this . Im going to look for those moments and see if anybody can actually pull that off and get some attention. If they dont a lot of these candidates are going to stay at 1 or 2 . My colleague joy reid is in South Carolina<\/a> and she attended the fish fry last night and they had the yellow dog breakfast this morning. What can we expect as the Convention Goes<\/a> on . Whats the agenda look like . What are you hoping to hear from these candidates today, joy . Good morning, david. I think what were expecting is each of these candidates have to, i think david cornyn was making that point. Its a field of 24, not all 24 are here. Theyre going to be speaking all throughout the day. Kamala harris drew the hot card in a sense, shes the opening act for all of these candidates. Weve seen that a lot of these candidates have pretty Big Organization<\/a>s, cory booker has a Big Organization<\/a> here. For Kamala Harris<\/a>, cory booker and joe biden, this is a mustwin state. A must win place or show state. The pressure is more on those three in a lot of ways. Elizabeth warren last night got a very warm reception, shes somebody that is on the move. That is rising, she wants to try to lock that in. Were hearing from a lot of africanamerican women who are taking a look at warren. Theyre taking a second look at her. People may have gone in thinking biden is the man. Right now everyone is trying to be not biden. Someone is going to stand out as the main alternative to him. I think at this point it is warren, harris, and cory booker who are fighting for the notwarren spot and South Carolina<\/a> is where they could get it. I was talking with garrett hake and i asked him about the degree to which people were talking about the dynamic between the former Vice President<\/a> joe biden and senator cory booker. What is your sense of how much thats resonating for those who gathered at the fish fry, its interesting, we interviewed cory booker. I did ask him about that. Back and forth between himself and biden. Joe biden was not talking about bipartisanship when he made those comments. They were segregationist democrats, he was just in a sense gratuitously praising his ability to work with these pretty problematic figures for africanamericans. But what i have seen is a very generational divide on that issue. Older africanamericans we spoke with at the fish fry are writing that off. Theyre saying look, we know joe biden, joe biden was Barack Obamas<\/a> guy and theyre pricing in anything about joe biden that might be problematic. If you think about it the very things that are now rankling his candidacy are the things that made him valuable to barack obama. Hes a guy who can translate the older White American<\/a> to people who might have been uncomfortable with obama. He kind of made he said to those people obamas okay. So a lot of people are saying the same thing about him. Younger africanamericans, younger people were talking to here, they are shopping, they are not sold on joe biden. More shopping among Younger Voters<\/a> and older voters pretty much pricing in whatever you hear about joe biden, theyre still with him. Looking forward to that interview and all the conversations on a. M. Joy coming up from columbia. You look at the debate prep footage, how much work is that . Its tremendous. When youre spending hours a day for weeks on end in that kay, from the general election, youre not doing other things, youre not shaking hands, youre not raising money. Some people dont take it seriously. The thing were not talking about is there are going to be ten podiums, but there will be an 1 1th player on the field. Its going to be donald trump, livetweeting. And to go back to biden, we did not think would be successful at this point because he was an older white male who had been in washington for a long time. People are giving him a pass to some extent. Think hes going to be the best against trump. What happens when youre watching these debates and theres someone else who defines him. If im Elizabeth Warren<\/a>, i would say theres ten of us on stage and each one of us are better than you. I hope its me, im going to make sure everyone knows why you lost. Youre going to have Kamala Harris<\/a> sitting next to Bernie Sanders<\/a>, someone might say, biden is i have other options. Who will be good against trumpth and then you have problems like are these racial comments going to be a problem. Some advice from the veteran prepper. I do prep for the you know armageddon, but thats different. Coming up with i. C. E. Set to make good on the president s promise to round up undocumented immigrants, well talk to a lawmaker in lawmaker in one key sanctuary city. You have again children who are taking care of children. This are children who are taking care of infants because they have them as young children. Their mothers cant be found. Your reaction, your emotional reaction to reading the story . The first reaction of any american is there are certain basic human rights, certain level of basic Human Dignity<\/a> that everyone is entitled to. Reaction separation of migrant families from former Homeland Department<\/a> secretary jeh johnson. The raids are going to take place in ten cities. Joining me is democratic congressman from new york. I was looking at your twitter feed. Something that secretary john johnson said is its important for the immigrants to understand their rights. You tweeted off comments making that point. The counsel they should take if this were to happen to them tomorrow. Whats your reaction to this, the effort that the president teased a few days ago, whats being reported now. Whats likely to happen tomorrow. Roundups happen on a monthly and daily basis all over america. So this is opportunistic. I think its designed to send out fear out there. I think its you know, lacing communities with fears. Sending 0 ut a Chilling Effect<\/a> to communities and particularly cities like new york city. Which are sanctuary cities. Theyre not cities that harbor for example violent criminals, theyre cities that allow for example a mom to take her kid to School Without<\/a> the fear theyre going to call ins on them. Cities that allow a senior to go in a emergency room in a hospital without fear theyre going to call authorities or a woman to go to Police Precinct<\/a> to report domestic abuse, without fear that the Police Captain<\/a> is going to call immigration and get deported. Thats what a sanctuary city is, its a safety net to provide basic services. So we, its not harboring violent criminals. This is an effort to misrepresent that in that way and this action by the president is just basically to set out fear. Hes running country based, pushing the buttons of fear. We must equip the population with information with, a list of things to do in case if and when that happens. But that happens every day, every week, every month of the year. Whats your sense of the publics engagement of this. This is, the family separation policy was supposed to have ended a year ago. Its continued this week along the border. And there was a quote in Michelle Goldbergs<\/a> piece, column for the New York Times<\/a> about fatigue, theres so much badness in the world today, you can push stuff out of mind, things can fall out of mind how do you stay engaged with the real personal issues that are happening here. Once you go to the border and see the situation down there and a mom sleeping with their children on the floor packed like sardines or you understand the concept of a woman getting their 9monthold baby ripped away from her. I think this marks you permanently. For me its somewhat personal because ive seen the border, had a center in the district that had children that were ripped away from their parents. Under cover of the night. This continues. I know there are crisis where you have the iran crisis, with the drone recently, you have all kinds of crises popping up on a weekly basis. But thats something that marks the soul of our nation to have children that may be breastfeeding from their mother ripped from them . We have heard so little from the Democratic Candidates<\/a> about immigration and democrats dont like to talk about the issue, theyve ceded so much ground to the president. What should the democratic message to the people of the United States<\/a> about immigration be. Other than antitrump. Were not in favor of putting children in cages. Whats the message here . I agree with you first, mara. I think they have been silent on this issue. This is going to be a critical issue in this race. This is a wedge issue that the president has chosen to run on, right . Hes going to continue to run on attacking sanctuary cities. Hes going to continue to represent immigrants as violent criminals, hes going to continue to wedge this issue in the middle of america and theyre being conspicuously silent on this. I ask them to come out. They should come out with a full immigration plan. They should push back against this trump rhetoric. If they want the immigrant vote or the latino vote. The asian vote. The african vote. They have to come out to a substantive program. Think theyre being con speckously silent. Fundamentally. This a very difficult issue. Its not difficult to say you shouldnt put children in cages or separate them from their parents. Thats easy from a progressive approach. But if you have people coming to the border in large numbers and figuring out what to do with them, other than dealing with them in a humane way, ultimately what happens when they get in and how do you deal with those who dont show up for the hearings that you know now theyre going to be targeted . I keep wondering, i look at the democrats in the house, i look at the Democratic Candidates<\/a>. If anybody does have a real way of talking about this that can go head to head with Donald Trumps<\/a> hatefuelled demagoguery. There is a way to deal with this. Heres what we should do. Ive been thinking long and hard about this and i say why is this developing this way . You know, they dont vote. But guess what, their relative votes, their neighbors vote. Many people around their lives vote. So they may not be able to vote themselves, but other people do. Ive introduced the family reunification act. I want it make sure that theres a plan, they are substantive proposals on the table to address this particular issue. That maybe some of these candidates can look at. They should come to an immigrant community. I havent seen any of them in an immigrant Community Talking<\/a> to immigrants about immigration. When you read the stories of the children, 10yearolds taking care of 4yearolds, children with no toothbrush. Whats the plan . What do you think democrats should be pushing . I think there needs to be greater investment in insuring that at the border you have pediatricians that take a look at these children. Theyre coming through rough terrain, desert, mountains, they come in in real bad shape. They should be looked at by a professional. They should be looked at by a pediatrician. There needs to be an infrastructure of services there for these families that come in and theyre seeking asylum most of them led by women. By women. Little children, too. Really horrendous stuff, when you see it yourself, it changes your life. So i think that there needs to be an investment. The problem is that many of us feel that if we give money to this administration, theyre going to take the money and troy to build a wall. Theyre going to take the money and try to put the Deportation Machine<\/a> on steroids. This is a real we must insure that whatever money we give for services down there, that it will be used specifically and exclusively for that. You mention theres a lot of stuff going on. You call for impeachment. I want to get your perspective on breakdown between the executive and legislative branch. Funding, the issue of impeachment. Youre on the House Foreign Affairs<\/a> committee also, youre keenly aware of what happened on thursday night. How deep is the fissure, were talking about fixing this immigration problem. Is there any hope for any sort of repairability of that divide . The president , he cannot hold the country hostage. I saw congressman clyburn. I heard him speak about broadband. The president cannot say for example we want to do infrastructure. Woe want to make sure we fix our rural bridges and tunnels, we do broadband, we do Second Avenue<\/a> subway for east harlem, right . And gateway tunnel, right . You cannot tell the American People<\/a> that you want to do infrastructure and then say well we could only do this if you dont investigate me. You know, we are adhering to what article 1 of the constitution tells us to do. We cannot abdicate our responsibility. If we go smoke were going to see if theres fire. I came up for impeachment last year before it was popular, right . So you know i still stick with it. I think that the Mueller Report<\/a> is one report that everybody should read. In fact i was away, i was going through the airport. I had had like a little luggage piece, the guy said to me, what you got in there . And i said i got the Mueller Report<\/a>. He couldnt believe it everybody should read it. I think its a document that tells a lot. Stay with us, well come back and talk about iran. Well be back with much more on up. With a terrain Management System<\/a> for. This. A bash plate for. That. An electronic locking Rear Differential<\/a> for. Yeah. This. Heading to the supermarket . Get any truck. Heading out here . Get the ford ranger. The only adventure gear built ford tough. And i dont add trup the years. S. But what i do count on. Is boost\u00ae delicious boost\u00ae high protein nutritional drink has 20 grams of protein, along with 26 essential vitamins and minerals. 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I continue to be struck by the fact that your speaker, House Speaker<\/a> nancy pelosi said in comments yesterday, she had no advanced im concerned that we have a muddled strategy to address iran or any similar situation. Do you think . Well, no with the Trump Administration<\/a> . Look, this is bad for america obviously but we should be developing a strategy along with our allies, right . To address iran issues or other similar issues across the world. I think that that situation cannot be trusted. Your reaction to all of that. Im curious how all of that played out on capitol hill about what the white house is saying about what happened next, we were talking with general mcbarry about this takes strikes off the table, being so transparent and public about what was being considered. Im struck by the idea that the president said that striking these three targets and killing 150 people would not have been a, quote, proportional response, but then the question ive been asking the white house is what is a proportional response and we dont know the answer to that. Next week could be the president finally settling what were going to do is take down this tower and that will be a proportional response. The other thing to think about is the reporting, great reporting in the New York Times<\/a> today that the president was talking to Tucker Carlson<\/a> of fox news noted Foreign Policy<\/a> expert Tucker Carlson<\/a>. While balancing that information with the experts that he employs with the white house. I think to see the president thinking about kind of these large Foreign Policy<\/a> issues and relying on television personalities, i think just reminds us that this president is someone who is fueled and getting advice from all sorts of unconventional sources. David corn, i had a fevered dream last night. Tell us about it. I was stuck in a green room and i watched Tucker Carlson<\/a>s show. You have this beginning part of the show in which hes talking about john bolton saying he is not a normal person, that was his take away as he played excerpts of interviews that he had done with onbolton, moved from there to Glen Greenwald<\/a> invoking Jeffrey Goldberg<\/a> conspiracies going back to the iraq war. We know of the friendships, relationships we learned more about it with Paul Manafort<\/a> and sean hannity the degree to which yes there are experts around the president there, some acting some officials to offer advice but this whole other crew of advisers on the side. Its scary, but we dont have a functioning government at the moment in a lot of ways, particularly at the top. The agencies do what they do and a lot doesnt require coordination or even instruction from the white house, but in the white house itself and particularly on Foreign Policy<\/a> there is no functioning government. There usually is they call is the interagency process where you bring in state department, Defense Department<\/a>, commerce, whatever might be involved and you come up with options and you debate things and then it goes up to the president , he has advisers, he may turn to outside advisers, but there is a process in which options and debates are presented. This doesnt happen. We have a person in the white house, you know, you say thinking about Foreign Policy<\/a>, i dont think he thinks. I dont think he thinks he needs to think. He thinks he knows everything. He has told us that many times. He acts as of impulse, he has no ideology. I dont think he really cares about much other than whats good for him. So, therefore, he can be swayed in any different direction, he wants to have fire and fury against north korea, then he says kim jongun is his best pal and sends love letters to him. Then he lies to chuck todd by saying i didnt hear about the casualties until ten minutes before. He had to ask about it. There is no way that options are presented to the president. This is not working. If we dont have a working government we shouldnt have war. If you are going to have a war you need things to function and so i think in the end he probably made the right decision for all the wrong reasons. Congressman, last question here. What can you and your colleagues do about how many acting officials there are in this government, david laid out the contours of that debate as much as there was one in the situation room, and you have the Defense Department<\/a> greatly handicapped by the fact that the acting defense secretary was present but not imbued with the authority that a confirmed secretary would have, even worse in this situation because that acting secretary of defense is on the way out yet to be replaced which another acting, but i assume to be nominated defense secretary. Now that we have secretary tucker there you go. You dont need anyone else. Been through as many confirmation as the other, i suppose. Obviously theres havoc in the white house. Maybe thats this is his management style. This is crisis management, constantly moving people in and out. No stability. Inability to develop a strategy thats a confident strategy not only for our nation but for the rest of the world. I think that the situation room is in trouble. Management by crisis i think you could say. Yamiche, quickly here. I think the bottom line is it was remarkable to hear both democrats and republicans say the president showed restraint, even if he was going with his instincts, even if he was listening to all these different unconventional sources and all this people, at the end of the day the president didnt get the United States<\/a> into war and hes getting really credit for that which is remarkable. Small victories in washington. Thank you very much for joining us here on set. Thanks to my panel for the hour. Thanks also to joy reid and Garrett Haake<\/a> who join us from columbian. We are back sunday at 8 00 eastern time right here on msnbc. Up ahead, special coverage of the South Carolina<\/a> Democratic Party<\/a> convention with joy reid, the reverend al sharpton talking to the 2020 contenders in that crucial primary state. 0 contendt crucial primary state. Se . 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But do you take something for your brain. With an ingredient originally discovered in jellyfish, prevagen has been shown in Clinical Trials<\/a> to improve shortterm memory. Prevagen. Healthier brain. Better life. This ijust listen. vo theres so much we want to show her. We needed a car that would last long enough to see it all. avo subaru outback. Ninety eight percent are still on the road after 10 years. Come on mom, lets go quick correction here, i called Garrett Haake<\/a> our low country culinary correspondent, my apologies, our midlands culinary correspondent. Thank you very much for watching, a special South Carolina<\/a> edition of a. M. Joy with joy reid starts right now. Im in this fight because i believe that the time for small ideas is over. It is a fight for our future and a vision of our future and a vision of our future, of our america. Whomever the democratic nominee is, we have to Stay Together<\/a> and elect a democrat president of the United States<\/a> of america. This election is not about one person, one office, it is about who we are as a nation and who we must be to each other. We are the 99 and 99 is a hell of a bigger number than 1 . Good morning and welcome to a. M. Joy, live from columbia, South Carolina<\/a>. That is just a small portion of what democrats heard last night at congressman jim clyburns world famous fish fry. Over the next several hours South Carolina<\/a> democrats will hear more from the candidates who are running for president as the partys state convent","publisher":{"@type":"Organization","name":"archive.org","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","width":"800","height":"600","url":"\/\/ia803003.us.archive.org\/4\/items\/MSNBCW_20190622_120000_Up_With_David_Gura\/MSNBCW_20190622_120000_Up_With_David_Gura.thumbs\/MSNBCW_20190622_120000_Up_With_David_Gura_000001.jpg"}},"autauthor":{"@type":"Organization"},"author":{"sameAs":"archive.org","name":"archive.org"}}],"coverageEndTime":"20240617T12:35:10+00:00"}