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Trump has abused various forms of media to attack celebrities and politicians and others who he thinks has scorned him. The practice persisted throughout his presidency as a use social media and other platforms to riddick cool his own cabinet, among them many others by the way. The behavior has continued over the past few months as the indictments piled up against different jurisdictions around the country. He made disparaging comments about the prosecutors who brought the cases against him and the judges who are assigned to those cases as well as people in could be potential witnesses. About a month ago, just a few days after he was criminally indicted for a fourth time donald trump posted an alarming threat in all caps on truth social which read, if you go after me, im coming after you. The post was cited in an earlier motion raising their concern with the judge that the former president might use evidence related to who his legal team to improperly target witnesses and in this latest motion, he called attention to the past comments writing the former president has established a practice of issuing inflammatory statements targeted at individuals or institutions that presents an obstacle to him. Meanwhile, down in georgia, we learned this week that there will be at least two trials in the criminal racketeering case against donald trump and his 18 codefendants on thursday scott mcafee granted the motion to sever the case from kenneth choose borough and Sidney Powell the two former attorneys who were involved in the scheme to use fake electors to help overturn the elections of the 2020 election. Chesebro and powell had both previously filed for a speedy trial which could begin before the end of this year. Judge mcafee has already directed the jury clerk to begin sending out subpoenas to 900 prospective jurors in fulton county. A plan to begin Jury Selection on the 23rd For Cheeseborough and powells trial joining me now is carole. Lamb the United States attorney and a former Superior Court Judge in san diego county. An msnbc legal analyst. Thank you for being with us. Lets talk about this. The judge has granted a motion in the case. What does this mean . There is at least two people tried separately. There is no courtroom big enough for all of them it struck me as odd. These trials you can make accommodations. You have to distinguish between decisions the judge made for legal reasons and decisions the judge is making for a procedural or a logistical reasons. What happened was two of the defendants then said we want a speedy trial. That means no exceptions. They want a speedy trial it goes to trial within a couple of months. Thats whats happening here. Those two defendants are going to trial in october. Its oxygen ordinarily fast. Its a decision on their part that strategic. The question became does he grant the district attorneys motion to try all 19 defendants in october. They want to do one trial and everyone together that was unlikely to ever happen. The judge was most likely going to say no the other defendants are saying they cant be ready within this two month period of time. They are going to get their trials put off. These two who say they want to speedy trial, they are saying we will be ready to go and we will try them in october and we have at least two trials we have the two to defendants who won a speedy trial and then we have the other 17 defendants who are out there. He has not yet set a trial date. Carol, there are so many references the difference between the jack smith and georgia indictments, they read the way a guy like me who is not trained would read it. This is the offense, this is what happened. The Georgia Trial reads differently. There are a lot of things in here that dont seem like standalone offenses. They are only offenses if you consider it within the context of his conspiracy within the georgia law that this particular phone call was an overt act in further ends of the conspiracy. Does severing these cases affect the ability for fani willis to make that case . Different people of these 19 codefendants did Different Things at different times in furtherance of a conspiracy. Some of them dont look to the untrained eye like crimes. So, the Conspiracy Law is not that different from Conspiracy Law in federal law. Georgia is a state law case. Jack smiths case in d. C. Is a federal case and they both Charge Conspiracy of a sort. They are very broad and the real difference is that fani willis has 19 defendants and jack smith in this case has one defendant. When you talk about the fani willis case, because she Charge Conspiracy and because she charged rico and because even though some of these players had maybe a lesser role in the overarching conspiracy they were still part of the conspiracy. You dont have to know all the other acts of all the other conspirators to be part of that conspiracy. What fani willis says, shes correct about this, she says i would be trying the very same case against defendant number 19 as i would against defendant number one because everything comes in and a conspiracy case because it was one conspiracy its what we call a hub and spoke conspiracy there are people at the hub who sort of understand the whole conspiracy and then there are people in the spokes who play a lesser role. They dont have to know what all the other spokes of the Bicycle Wheel are doing. They just have to be doing something in furtherance of the overarching conspiracy. When this case was first brought in both the Jacks Mitt Case and the fani willis case, in both cases, the Magistrate Judges put out a warning to donald trump. Be careful about social media and what you do. It didnt seem to abide by. That jack smith is now looking for a narrower gag order. Something that prevents donald trump from intimidating people involved in the cases. How do you think thats going to go and how does that get handled. If he gets his way in and get something narrower, the question always becomes how do you enforce a problem like donald trump and his social media . Sure two things, donald trump has at his disposal a tool that defendants for the last couple hundred years simply did not have. This is the ability to press a button. He has a huge megaphone on social media. The technology is fairly recent. There is not a lot of case law around. It the other aspect is that this is a Power Struggle between judge chutkan and donald trump. Judge chutkan is going to win this battle. This is, why she will do it in a measured way and jack smith is proceeding in a measured way. Here is the evidence of what hes done in the. Passed heres a concern about what hes going to do in the future. And judge chutkan what are the tools that you have in the tool box. She does not want to arrest him and put him in custody until the election or until the trial. Thats going to be problematic but she can impose pretty considerable financial finds. She can say your First Financial fine for your first transgression is going to be x amount of dollars. The next time youre doing it its going to be twice that amount. She can keep going up. Once she imposes an order and once he violates that order now we are not really talking about First Amendment so much anymore. We are talking about the courts orders. With respect to the line where the First Amendment is drawn, its always a tricky line. Remember who judge chutkans ultimate audience is its the Court Of Appeals and perhaps the Supreme Court. Who are they . They are judges. They understand the importance of Keeping Control over a trial and the judicial system and i think ultimately theyre going to play this correctly and its going to not go well for donald trump. It will be frustrating along the way. But thats one hand up. We appreciate that and your experiences is helpful not case. Carole lamb is a former United States attorney for the Southern District of california and msnbc legal analyst. Soon you will be able to have your own copy of the trump indictments the 91 trials against the former president of the United States includes for complete an edited and on and bridged indictments against donald trump. I added the addition and i were out of forwards sets the scene and add some important context. Its out on the september 25th. You can preorder it right now. Coming up brand new reporting on how the wife of a Supreme Court justice and a rightwing activists seized on a Supreme Court ruling to and leash a trove of socalled dark money into Nonprofit Groups run by political activists, Contract Negotiations between the United Auto Workers union and the big three automakers are expected to resume today as thousands of workers walked off the job demanding higher wages and better benefits. Weve got to fight for what we deserve. We are out here and during this. We will fight until he got it. It hurts to come out here every day and struggle and bring home pennies. Learning to save and spend their money with chase. The chefs cooking up firsts with her new debit card. Hungry . Uhuh. The designers eyeing sequins. Uh no plaid. While mom is eyeing his spending. Nice. And the engineer . Shes taking control with her own account for college. Three futures, all with chase. Freedom for kids. Control for parents. One bank for both. Chase. 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Ask your doctor about breztri. Every Business Astrazeneca may be able to help. Thats why Comcast Business De is launching theal. Mobile made free event. With our business internet, new and existing customers can get one year of unlimited mobile for free. Its our best internet. Powered by The Next Generation 10g network and with 99. 9 reliability. Plus one line of free mobile for an entire year. Its the mobile made free eventhappening now. Get started for just 49. 99 a month. Plus, ask how to get one free line of unlimited mobile. Comcast business, powering possibilities. Nice footwork. Man, youre lucky, watching live sports never used to be this easy. Now you can stream all your games like its nothing. Yes [ cheers ] yeah woho running up and down that field looks tough. Its a pitch. Get way more into what youre into today marks the second full when you stream on the xfinity 10g network. Day of the most ambitious u. S. Industrial labor strike in decades. Members of the United Auto Workers union have launched simultaneous strikes against detroits big three automakers, general motors, ford motors, and the Chrysler Parent Company stellantis. The walkouts came after negotiations between uaw in the big three collapse largely over impasses around wages and benefits. The union is asking for Wage Increases of up to 40 over the next four years. The uaw sean fine says is in line with Company Earnings and with how much the ceo salaries have grown over that time period. Uaw is also asking for full pay for a 32hour, rather than a 40 hour work week. Better Retirement Pensions and improve to health care. The big three have already agreed to raise workers rages but they say they need to save enough money to invest in the Global Competitive shift toward Electric Vehicles Uaw represents more than 146,000 workers. Roughly 12,700 workers are striking at three assembly plants. A gm factory and wentzville, missouri, a ford plant in wayne, michigan, and a Jeep Plant Run by stellantis in toledo, ohio. Nbc news correspondent Shaquille Brewster joins us now from the g plant in toledo, ohio. The uaw president says negotiations are expected to resume today. What do you know about . It yeah, we dont have any details on official Bargaining Sessions and when they will happen. We know the sessions will pick up after the announcements and the start of the strike. The white house is sending to top aides to the president to assist in some of those negotiations. I will tell, you in the past hour or so, we have got some significant updates and statements from leadership. Uaw president sean fame saying that any of the workers that have been impacted by the layoffs and non striking workers laid off about 800, 2000 previewed at a gms facility. He assures them that they will get some sort of compensation without detailing the compensations. We also just heard from former president barack obama who said that he asked a lot from autoworkers back when he was president for concessions to make sure these companies were able to stay afloat. In his words, he says now that carmakers are enjoying robust profits, its time to do right by those same workers. That is a message that you hear from these workers when you ask why they are out here and what they are looking for. Lets hear a little bit of a conversation i had. The latest offer from the automakers has been about a 20 raise over the course of four years. Why is that not enough . That is terrible. We havent had raises in 13 years. Thats terrible. They are getting paid money. Theyre making raises. Theyre getting 40 . Why cant we get it . We deserve it. Meanwhile, you mentioned autoworkers, excuse me, auto companies, auto executives, they are saying they cant meet the demands of the autoworkers. What you heard in the latest that we know, stellantis actually came up with an offer right before strike time. There was a Counter Offer by uaw. They are detailing the latest offer. It included the 21 work including a 20 increase in the first year. Its over for years. There are some adjustments and also improvements that arent in investments they say to the retirement program. It does appear that efforts are being made and they say theyve reached a Critical Point of negotiations. How long with the strike . Last bet still a question that many people are asking. Were going to keep an eye on this closely. Thank you very much. Jack brewster for us in toledo, ohio. What do oh rightwing activists and the wife of Supreme Court justice all have in common . Here is a hint. It is not a good sign for democracy. I will tell you after a quick break. Justice Ketanji Brown jackson marks the 16th anniversary of an Alabama Church bombing by the kkk which killed four young black girls. She implored americans to own the darkest parts of our history. Our history. Remembrance day, we do have something to celebrate and we are blessed to have made significant strides forward as a country since those four little girls entered this Building Academics and journalists and researchers and our own eyes tell us daily that there is more to do more were not an airline, but our Network Connects global businesses across nearly 160 markets. Were not a startup, but our Innovation Labs use new technologies to help keep your information secure. Were not architects, but we help build stronger communities. Were not just any bank. We are citi. Feeling sluggish or weighed down . It could be a sign that your digestive system isnt at its best. Metamucil gummies make it easy to get the fiber you need. Promoting your Sidney Powell<\/a> the two former attorneys who were involved in the scheme to use fake electors to help overturn the elections of the 2020 election. Chesebro and powell had both previously filed for a speedy trial which could begin before the end of this year. Judge mcafee has already directed the jury clerk to begin sending out subpoenas to 900 prospective jurors in fulton county. A plan to begin Jury Selection<\/a> on the 23rd For Cheeseborough<\/a> and powells trial joining me now is carole. Lamb the United States<\/a> attorney and a former Superior Court Judge<\/a> in san diego county. An msnbc legal analyst. Thank you for being with us. Lets talk about this. The judge has granted a motion in the case. What does this mean . There is at least two people tried separately. There is no courtroom big enough for all of them it struck me as odd. These trials you can make accommodations. You have to distinguish between decisions the judge made for legal reasons and decisions the judge is making for a procedural or a logistical reasons. What happened was two of the defendants then said we want a speedy trial. That means no exceptions. They want a speedy trial it goes to trial within a couple of months. Thats whats happening here. Those two defendants are going to trial in october. Its oxygen ordinarily fast. Its a decision on their part that strategic. The question became does he grant the district attorneys motion to try all 19 defendants in october. They want to do one trial and everyone together that was unlikely to ever happen. The judge was most likely going to say no the other defendants are saying they cant be ready within this two month period of time. They are going to get their trials put off. These two who say they want to speedy trial, they are saying we will be ready to go and we will try them in october and we have at least two trials we have the two to defendants who won a speedy trial and then we have the other 17 defendants who are out there. He has not yet set a trial date. Carol, there are so many references the difference between the jack smith and georgia indictments, they read the way a guy like me who is not trained would read it. This is the offense, this is what happened. The Georgia Trial<\/a> reads differently. There are a lot of things in here that dont seem like standalone offenses. They are only offenses if you consider it within the context of his conspiracy within the georgia law that this particular phone call was an overt act in further ends of the conspiracy. Does severing these cases affect the ability for fani willis to make that case . Different people of these 19 codefendants did Different Things<\/a> at different times in furtherance of a conspiracy. Some of them dont look to the untrained eye like crimes. So, the Conspiracy Law<\/a> is not that different from Conspiracy Law<\/a> in federal law. Georgia is a state law case. Jack smiths case in d. C. Is a federal case and they both Charge Conspiracy<\/a> of a sort. They are very broad and the real difference is that fani willis has 19 defendants and jack smith in this case has one defendant. When you talk about the fani willis case, because she Charge Conspiracy<\/a> and because she charged rico and because even though some of these players had maybe a lesser role in the overarching conspiracy they were still part of the conspiracy. You dont have to know all the other acts of all the other conspirators to be part of that conspiracy. What fani willis says, shes correct about this, she says i would be trying the very same case against defendant number 19 as i would against defendant number one because everything comes in and a conspiracy case because it was one conspiracy its what we call a hub and spoke conspiracy there are people at the hub who sort of understand the whole conspiracy and then there are people in the spokes who play a lesser role. They dont have to know what all the other spokes of the Bicycle Wheel<\/a> are doing. They just have to be doing something in furtherance of the overarching conspiracy. When this case was first brought in both the Jacks Mitt Case<\/a> and the fani willis case, in both cases, the Magistrate Judges<\/a> put out a warning to donald trump. Be careful about social media and what you do. It didnt seem to abide by. That jack smith is now looking for a narrower gag order. Something that prevents donald trump from intimidating people involved in the cases. How do you think thats going to go and how does that get handled. If he gets his way in and get something narrower, the question always becomes how do you enforce a problem like donald trump and his social media . Sure two things, donald trump has at his disposal a tool that defendants for the last couple hundred years simply did not have. This is the ability to press a button. He has a huge megaphone on social media. The technology is fairly recent. There is not a lot of case law around. It the other aspect is that this is a Power Struggle<\/a> between judge chutkan and donald trump. Judge chutkan is going to win this battle. This is, why she will do it in a measured way and jack smith is proceeding in a measured way. Here is the evidence of what hes done in the. Passed heres a concern about what hes going to do in the future. And judge chutkan what are the tools that you have in the tool box. She does not want to arrest him and put him in custody until the election or until the trial. Thats going to be problematic but she can impose pretty considerable financial finds. She can say your First Financial<\/a> fine for your first transgression is going to be x amount of dollars. The next time youre doing it its going to be twice that amount. She can keep going up. Once she imposes an order and once he violates that order now we are not really talking about First Amendment<\/a> so much anymore. We are talking about the courts orders. With respect to the line where the First Amendment<\/a> is drawn, its always a tricky line. Remember who judge chutkans ultimate audience is its the Court Of Appeals<\/a> and perhaps the Supreme Court<\/a>. Who are they . They are judges. They understand the importance of Keeping Control<\/a> over a trial and the judicial system and i think ultimately theyre going to play this correctly and its going to not go well for donald trump. It will be frustrating along the way. But thats one hand up. We appreciate that and your experiences is helpful not case. Carole lamb is a former United States<\/a> attorney for the Southern District<\/a> of california and msnbc legal analyst. Soon you will be able to have your own copy of the trump indictments the 91 trials against the former president of the United States<\/a> includes for complete an edited and on and bridged indictments against donald trump. I added the addition and i were out of forwards sets the scene and add some important context. Its out on the september 25th. You can preorder it right now. Coming up brand new reporting on how the wife of a Supreme Court<\/a> justice and a rightwing activists seized on a Supreme Court<\/a> ruling to and leash a trove of socalled dark money into Nonprofit Group<\/a>s run by political activists, Contract Negotiations<\/a> between the United Auto Workers<\/a> union and the big three automakers are expected to resume today as thousands of workers walked off the job demanding higher wages and better benefits. Weve got to fight for what we deserve. We are out here and during this. We will fight until he got it. It hurts to come out here every day and struggle and bring home pennies. Learning to save and spend their money with chase. The chefs cooking up firsts with her new debit card. Hungry . Uhuh. The designers eyeing sequins. Uh no plaid. While mom is eyeing his spending. Nice. And the engineer . Shes taking control with her own account for college. Three futures, all with chase. Freedom for kids. Control for parents. One bank for both. Chase. Make more of whats yours. start your day with nature made. The 1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. Businesses need 5g solutions today. Thats why they choose tmobile for business. Mlb partners with tmobile to not only enhance the fan experience, but to advance how the game is played. Aaa relies on tmobiles network to stay connected nationwide, so they can help get their members back on the road. And were helping pano ai innovate, to stop the spread of wildfires. Nows the time to see what americas largest 5g network can do for your business. We live our lives on our homes fabrics. And though we come and go, our odors stay. Its called odor transfer. Left untreated, those odors get trapped inside fabrics and then release smells into your air. Eww. You need new febreze fabric refresher. Its new formula is proven to deliver longerlasting odor fighting power, so you can enjoy longerlasting freshness even hours after spraying. The more everyone sprays. The fresher your whole home stays. New febreze fabric refresher. Before my doctor and i chose breztri for my copd, i had bad days, cough, cough flareups that could permanently damage my lungs. With breztri, things changed for me. Breztri gave me better breathing. Starting within 5 minutes, i noticed my Lung Function<\/a> improved. It helped improve my symptoms, and breztri was even proven to reduce flareups, including those that could send me to the hospital. So now i look forward to more good days. Breztri wont replace a Rescue Inhaler<\/a> for sudden breathing problems. It is not for asthma. Tell your doctor if you have a Heart Condition<\/a> or high Blood Pressure<\/a> before taking it. Dont take breztri more than prescribed. Breztri may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. Call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur. Cant afford your medication . Astrazeneca may be able to help. Ask your doctor about breztri. Every Business Astrazeneca<\/a> may be able to help. Thats why Comcast Business De<\/a> is launching theal. Mobile made free event. With our business internet, new and existing customers can get one year of unlimited mobile for free. Its our best internet. Powered by The Next Generation<\/a> 10g network and with 99. 9 reliability. Plus one line of free mobile for an entire year. Its the mobile made free eventhappening now. Get started for just 49. 99 a month. Plus, ask how to get one free line of unlimited mobile. Comcast business, powering possibilities. Nice footwork. Man, youre lucky, watching live sports never used to be this easy. Now you can stream all your games like its nothing. Yes [ cheers ] yeah woho running up and down that field looks tough. Its a pitch. Get way more into what youre into today marks the second full when you stream on the xfinity 10g network. Day of the most ambitious u. S. Industrial labor strike in decades. Members of the United Auto Workers<\/a> union have launched simultaneous strikes against detroits big three automakers, general motors, ford motors, and the Chrysler Parent Company<\/a> stellantis. The walkouts came after negotiations between uaw in the big three collapse largely over impasses around wages and benefits. The union is asking for Wage Increases<\/a> of up to 40 over the next four years. The uaw sean fine says is in line with Company Earnings<\/a> and with how much the ceo salaries have grown over that time period. Uaw is also asking for full pay for a 32hour, rather than a 40 hour work week. Better Retirement Pensions<\/a> and improve to health care. The big three have already agreed to raise workers rages but they say they need to save enough money to invest in the Global Competitive<\/a> shift toward Electric Vehicles Uaw<\/a> represents more than 146,000 workers. Roughly 12,700 workers are striking at three assembly plants. A gm factory and wentzville, missouri, a ford plant in wayne, michigan, and a Jeep Plant Run<\/a> by stellantis in toledo, ohio. Nbc news correspondent Shaquille Brewster<\/a> joins us now from the g plant in toledo, ohio. The uaw president says negotiations are expected to resume today. What do you know about . It yeah, we dont have any details on official Bargaining Sessions<\/a> and when they will happen. We know the sessions will pick up after the announcements and the start of the strike. The white house is sending to top aides to the president to assist in some of those negotiations. I will tell, you in the past hour or so, we have got some significant updates and statements from leadership. Uaw president sean fame saying that any of the workers that have been impacted by the layoffs and non striking workers laid off about 800, 2000 previewed at a gms facility. He assures them that they will get some sort of compensation without detailing the compensations. We also just heard from former president barack obama who said that he asked a lot from autoworkers back when he was president for concessions to make sure these companies were able to stay afloat. In his words, he says now that carmakers are enjoying robust profits, its time to do right by those same workers. That is a message that you hear from these workers when you ask why they are out here and what they are looking for. Lets hear a little bit of a conversation i had. The latest offer from the automakers has been about a 20 raise over the course of four years. Why is that not enough . That is terrible. We havent had raises in 13 years. Thats terrible. They are getting paid money. Theyre making raises. Theyre getting 40 . Why cant we get it . We deserve it. Meanwhile, you mentioned autoworkers, excuse me, auto companies, auto executives, they are saying they cant meet the demands of the autoworkers. What you heard in the latest that we know, stellantis actually came up with an offer right before strike time. There was a Counter Offer<\/a> by uaw. They are detailing the latest offer. It included the 21 work including a 20 increase in the first year. Its over for years. There are some adjustments and also improvements that arent in investments they say to the retirement program. It does appear that efforts are being made and they say theyve reached a Critical Point<\/a> of negotiations. How long with the strike . Last bet still a question that many people are asking. Were going to keep an eye on this closely. Thank you very much. Jack brewster for us in toledo, ohio. What do oh rightwing activists and the wife of Supreme Court<\/a> justice all have in common . Here is a hint. It is not a good sign for democracy. I will tell you after a quick break. Justice Ketanji Brown<\/a> jackson marks the 16th anniversary of an Alabama Church<\/a> bombing by the kkk which killed four young black girls. She implored americans to own the darkest parts of our history. Our history. Remembrance day, we do have something to celebrate and we are blessed to have made significant strides forward as a country since those four little girls entered this Building Academics<\/a> and journalists and researchers and our own eyes tell us daily that there is more to do more were not an airline, but our Network Connects<\/a> global businesses across nearly 160 markets. Were not a startup, but our Innovation Labs<\/a> use new technologies to help keep your information secure. Were not architects, but we help build stronger communities. Were not just any bank. We are citi. Feeling sluggish or weighed down . It could be a sign that your digestive system isnt at its best. 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The movement was spearheaded by the wife of a Supreme Court<\/a> justice and an influential conservative lawyer and activist. Politicos how the president outlines how ginni thomas and leonard leo use the 2010 Supreme Court<\/a> case involving the conservative Nonprofit Group<\/a> Citizens United<\/a> to attract anonymous donor money for their own advocacy groups. The High Court Ruled<\/a> the independent cooperations and Nonprofit Group<\/a>s could spend unlimited amounts of money on elections while also being protected by certain Free Speech Rights<\/a> and the decision went against nearly 100 years of legal precedent in favor of Campaign Spending<\/a> restrictions. The result has led to a major increase and the amount of political donations to the amount of donations to political campaigns from outside groups often linked to socalled dark money. Just a few months before that decision was handed down, thomas and leo created their own organization to block than President Obama<\/a>s key agenda items. In the years following the Supreme Court<\/a> decision, and thomas and leo Build A Conservative Forest<\/a> that stretches from legal think tank Stick Campaigns<\/a> for Attorney General<\/a>. According to politico, leo is under investigation by the Washington Attorney<\/a> general. Neither leota nor thomas have commented on their financial relationships. Joining me now to break this down as the Nyu Professor Of Law<\/a> and msnbc legal analyst melissa moraine. A great to see you. Thank you for being with us this morning. I guess i want to put this into context. For my viewers. Some people, they may not know this particular part of the story that Heidi President<\/a> has reported on. They seem to know the contours of the story. There is the wife of a sitting Supreme Court<\/a> judge who has deep involvement with far right wing causes. They go back a long way and they are not incidental. It is not ginni thomas and somebody at a cocktail party. Leonard leo is an influential conservative in this country as it relates to choosing conservatives for the Supreme Court<\/a>. Ginni thomas is the wife of a sitting Supreme Court<\/a> justice who happens to be uniquely conservative. Give me some context around this. Sure, so as you say, its likely that Many Americans<\/a> know parts of the story. Certainly they know that after 2010, the Citizens United<\/a> decision there has been a flood of money. Not all of it disclosed they have made politics less fair. It could have been and it has allowed for conservative moments to gain a foothold in democratic life. We also know that ginni thomas has been no stranger to these causes. Indeed Many Americans<\/a> got agreeable glimpse last year when it became clear that she had been texting mark meadows during the january six insurrection. Considerable support for allowing President Trump<\/a> to remain in office. This sort of puts more meat on that skeleton. It makes clear that as early as 2010, ginni thomas really did benefit professionally from the Supreme Court<\/a>s decision. It allowed at the dark money and. It allowed her to work with leonard leo to create this network of organizations that would not only work of to dismantle President Obama<\/a>s domestic policy agenda starting with obamacare, not ending with obamacare. Even after President Obama<\/a> left the white house, this network was at work to try and rollback all of the additional gains that have been made over the last 30 years, from abortion and Voting Rights<\/a>, to things like obamacare when it was at the Supreme Court<\/a>. Shes hand in glove to rollback much of the 20th century. We are still struggling with whether or not there should be better ethics rules for Supreme Court<\/a> justices. Apparently Brett Kavanaugh<\/a> will be handling this. That feels good. This is now the wife of a Supreme Court<\/a> justice. Im trying to understand whether its clear to someone like you whether there is something illegal here or it just feels yucky. There is no law that prevents the sitting justices for jobs. Nor is it illegal for ginni thomas to work with leonard leo on these conservative causes. The real problem for the Supreme Court<\/a> and forest justices is that this is an institution that depends on public legitimacy for its authority. It depends on the public believing that it is legitimate for it to have authority and because this information has been disclosed and buried into the shadows. It seems more nefarious than it is. We dont know what to the real nature of this relationship is. That by itself is the problem. For this court, it is the fact of impropriety thats the problem. It is the appearance of impropriety. If there is impropriety, its obviously worse. Its such a delicate institution. Its so delicately poised in the public mind that it really depends on the public understanding and perceiving it as legitimate for to have authority. This does not help. Does this fit into whatever effort we think we should be involved in and creating Greater Transparency<\/a> and ethics rules on the Supreme Court<\/a> or in your mind is this just a separate issue that we should know about . Its in next wind. Justice thomas should be disclosing the jet to travel on harlan crow. He should also be disclosing the work that his wife does and the clients for whom his wife does consulting. Whether or not the clients have business before the Supreme Court<\/a>. As heidi press was reporting shows, some of the consulting has been on behalf of organizations that filed amicus briefs in cases where mrs. Thomass husband will be casting a vote. I want to talk to you about a different topic. We were talking about this before the. Break it has to do with the 16th back just hurts and alabama. Justice Ketanji Brown<\/a> jackson. T released a speech yesterday marking the 60th Anniversary<\/a> of the killing, the bombing that killed four girls at the baptist church. This is obviously an important place. Its not just because of what happened there on the anniversary, we did a show in front of it last year. It is so central to where we are in the fight for civil rights in this country. Lets listen a little bit to what she had to say. My journey has been highprofile by nature. Wonderfully supportive from all over the country. People have reached out to me to tell me how much i the first black woman to serve on the Supreme Court<\/a> of the United States<\/a> has meant to them. Some have even said they never thought they would see this happen in their lifetimes. What has happened, i think, is that all of the attention to my race and my gender and the historical nature of my appointment has caused me to develop an intense yearning to better understand why. Why have our nations highest reaches been out of grasp for so many . I want to talk to you about alabama and some things that are going on in the Supreme Court<\/a> about alabama. Lets talk about Ketanji Brown<\/a> jackson for second. Shes never shied away from that conversation about her and how she felt out of place as a harvard student. It has a black woman lost didnt on the campus. Talk to me about that. She is, i think there are only two other justices whoever made an appearance in a civil rights type event. Give me your sense of this. Speaking very clear here that she understands the historic nature of her appointment and she has reached the pinnacle of her profession. She wonders why other people who look like her havent. This is a chiding of her colleagues. In the last, time they seem to wish that we could just push away the question of race because weve moved beyond it. Shes telling us that we cant just wipe away the facts of our past and we have to confront them. These four little girls, most people, if they know about this incident at the 16th street back discharge, they dont know the names of the four girls who died. Carol robertson, demis nickname, our Cynthia West Lee<\/a> and addy colons. No one knows their names. Very few people know their names. We should know their names. We should know the struggle that took their lives and how these struggle is not. There is distracting. It is very timely that they appeared in birmingham at a time when the question of Voting Rights<\/a> in the Voting Process<\/a> is right again before the Supreme Court<\/a>. Lets do that. It wasnt just that that where the bombing took place. Alabama to this day continues to struggle with some very basic things including the bites of the Blowout Voters<\/a> in that state. The majority of people who are voters in that state. Alabama as you mentioned is once again asking the Supreme Court<\/a> to help it maintain a controversial republican drawn congressional map. Earlier this, week alabama filed an Emergency Application<\/a> to the Supreme Court<\/a> to pause a ruling by the lower courts and fight a court order that the Supreme Court<\/a> already upheld months ago. I will take you back for a second. The Supreme Court<\/a> ruled that the congressional map divided the Voting Rights<\/a> act because it diluted black voting power. The decision held the high court a unanimous ruling by a lower court which required alabama to create a second majority black congressional district. Now, melissa, alabama didnt do. That instead the legislature approved about the increase blackford form 30 in a particular majority white district to 40 . It was not what the Supreme Court<\/a> said. Very hard to. Tell and putting at these. Maps very hard to tell from these two maps. If you look closely on the left is alabamas 2021 congressional numb. On the map is the right approved by the legislature in july. On the new, map district seven, is the only majority black district. District too is where republicans up the number of black voters from 30 to 40 . Republicans are saying that is going to fix what the Supreme Court<\/a> says. Violating the its rejected the map says it doesnt. It does not provide Black Alabamians<\/a> a fair and reasonable opportunity to elect candidates of their choice. What is your take . We have to recall what on its legitimacy. Here we have the spate i dont care what the court said in june of 2023 about this map. We will do it are. Way the Alabama Legislature<\/a> continues to defy in allegan. It said it had to draw a second district. I think part of the reason why alabama has been so defiant, in that case, there was a concurrence from Brett Kavanaugh<\/a> which seem to suggest that the question of race and thinking about race and a billion different ways and public life including the districting of congressional districts had a sunsetting timeline. Perhaps we were nearing the end of that timeline. We saw the same kind of impulse in the disposition of the Affirmative Action<\/a> cases which had Affirmative Action<\/a> had sort of reached its sunset. The embolden alabama. There is at least some group of people on the court who is a little bit skeptical of the idea that we should be addressing gerrymanders this. Way there may have been a fan majority last time. Maybe its a different set of facts in a different case in a different district him up. Maybe they will prepare at the Supreme Court<\/a>. And that is why they are pushing. And this goes back to Justice Jacksons<\/a> point. We cant continue to move forward unless we are willing to confront the stains of our past. She wants to confront them. There are some members of her court who are working hard to push these two aside. Here is the problem. This is a tricky one. When might come to the conclusion you dont like gerrymandering at all. In the case of alabama, we are fixing something that doesnt seem to work correctly. There is a majority of voters and alabama who are black. They cant seem to reflect that in their elections. How are we meant to think about things like that . On one hand, if you came in from bars nearby so you want to gerrymander. They should be divided where they are in rivers and mountains and boundaries should determine what happened. Sometimes you change things because the outcome in your elections are not reflective of what the majority of the voters are looking for. Again, this is something the court has been fighting about. For years. Should there be a Minority Representation<\/a> . Black alabamians are about 27 of the state. There are a large interest group. Certainly the most significant Minority Group<\/a> in the states. There is only a single district that represents them. There could likely be to given their numbers. Alabama will provide the second district. I will note the Supreme Court<\/a> in an earlier case on the shadow docket allowed that map that they later determined to be gerrymander to go into effect. It was used in the 2022 midterm elections. That allowed alabama to secure certain districts for the Republican Party<\/a> and it might have led to the of the house of representatives. This course has its fingerprints all over the map and what is the question goes down to, how do we represent people in our cover meant . Brett kavanaugh suggesting that we let these things play out. We shouldnt be working to ward particular outcomes. That time has ended. Just reasonable people can can come to the conclusion thats not true. Those things havent ended. Were not out of place in america where the free market and the free political market has fixed itself. If that were true, i would agree with justice kavanaugh. That would be great. Thats aspirational. I wish that were true. I think a reasonable view is thats not true. Not only is it not true, the conditions on which its not true have largely been manufactured by the court. The reason why you have the Alabama Legislature<\/a> drawing this map in openly defying the court time and time again, it is so gerrymandered. And that gerrymandering, the partisan gerrymandering that is affecting the Alabama State<\/a> legislature is the direct product of the Supreme Court<\/a>s decision in 2019 in rougeau versus common cause where it said the federal courts have no rules to play in adjudicating disputes over partisan gerrymandering. The court itself is actually set in motion this Mid Landscape<\/a> in which democracy is distorted and certain groups cannot have the opportunity to represent themselves. In which democracy is distorted. That is the important takeaway. Melissa, its nice to talk to. You must as a former law clerk to then judge sonia sotomayor, professor of law at nyu and an msnbc legal analyst. We will be right. Back ill be right back a dog walking business. Oh. [dog barks] no its just a bunny only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. It aint my dads razor, dad. Ay watch it its from gillettelabs. This green bar releases trapped hairs from my face. Gamechanga . While the flexdisc contours to it. So the five blades can get virtually every hair in one stroke. For the Ultimate Gillette<\/a> shaving experience. The best a man can get is gillettelabs. F man e Ultimate Gillette<\/a> that looks really high. woman it is high. 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Sexist senators have been deliberating 16 articles of impeachment against paxton who is accused of misusing the powers of the Attorney Generals Office<\/a> to protect and often Real Estate Agent<\/a> who was indicted in june on federal charges of making false statements. I want to bring in Roland Martin<\/a>, the host of Roland Martin<\/a> unfiltered. He is a texas native. He follows this quickly. Hold on, i will go to priscilla thompson. Firstly is in texas for us covering the story. Priscilla, this is a story you have followed closely. A lot of people have been. Some people havent been. Ken paxton has been a guy whos been in some version of legal hot water for a very long time. This has now come to a head. It is a bit surprising. It is not a slam dunk. Not all republicans are standing by ken paxton. Its now come to a state Senate Impeachment<\/a> vote. Yeah a historic vote that we have not seen in the state of texas for more than 100 years. As you, mentioned it stems from his relationship with this Real Estate Developer<\/a> who is also a political donor. The allegations from some of the former top staffers is that he accepted bribes in exchange for things that he was doing for this Real Estate Developer<\/a>. Just a short, while the texas senators are going to enter this chamber. They are going to vote on 16 articles of impeachment. It includes accusation of bribery, conspiracy, dereliction of duty, among others. They have been listening to testimony for the past nine days from those former staffers detailing the concerns that they have and what their response was for paxton when they raised them. And why they felt the need to report him to the fbi. To give you some context about how this investigation came about, it was because the staffer reported paxton to the fbi. They were fired. They filed a lawsuit. They settled a lawsuit for three point 3 million and asked that the state of texas taxpayers find that settlement for wrongful termination. Thats when the texas house which is controlled by the gop here are began investigating. They were concerned about pay 3. 3 Million Dollar<\/a> settlement. The texas house voted to impeach this. Thats why theyve seen this trial payout here in the senate. The senate is comprised of senators who will be voting. 12 democrats and 18 republicans. They were needed two thirds majority in order to impeach. Were talking about nine republicans who need to vote with the great democrats who we expect are all going to vote in favor of impeachment in order for this to happen. It would be historic if it were to happen. Our understanding is the vote will probably begin well within the next hour. So thank you. We will stick close to you on. This stay with us. Despite treatment it disrupts my skin with itch. It disrupts my skin with rash. 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Lets bring in Roland Martin<\/a>, host oberlin martin unfiltered. Hes a texas native. This is an important story. Not everybody is following it. Everyone in texas is. Where, once its not a democrat versus republican. Thing its a republican versus republican thing. Ken paxton is a character. I dont know what other words. You have alia better words for who he is than i do. Ive got words. This is a guy whos had the microscope on him for a long time. You have people i10 cruz and steve bannon and donald trump who are all on his side and say he shouldnt be impeached and you have a lot of republicans who say you dont impeach him right now this is going to be bad for everybodys political career. What is your take on whats going on . Ken paxton is a corrupt thug. I need people to understand this guy was indicted and 2015 for securities fraud. He has been fighting this for eight years. He was reelected. This man was indicted and was reelected on republicans in texas twice. Now you talk about this here and this thing is even more agree just and the reason republicans are so angry is he came to them to pay off a 3 Million Dollar<\/a> whistleblower deal. They wouldnt tell them why he wanted it to paid off and then the details about him and in the fair. His wife is a State Senator Voting<\/a> on this. This man has been shameful and despicable. Republicans have stood by him. Finally they, said oh enough is enough. You asked for the 3 million. Weve got to sit here and impeach you. I dont give them credit for this if they go through with it. They have tolerated his thickest behavior for all of these years. Lets be clear. Its not actually about his behavior. Its the idea there was a settlement and ken paxton is so brazen that he asked the public first, and he asked the settlement be paid for by the government. And that was the bridge too far for some republicans in texas. Not all the other things hes done. Right, heres the thing. He wouldnt tell them why. It was like, just pay it. So he was so brazen and so arrogance with this and its no shop that donald trump and ted cruz and steve bannon are standing by him. They are despicable as well. This is the Texas Attorney<\/a> general. He has been the one ruling on legal issues and ruling on Voting Rights<\/a> and suppression and ruling on the issues dealing with migrants and dealing with all kinds of decisions. So, these are people who work for him. They say, im sorry, this is too much. Again, all of these ears republicans stood by him. I am finally glad to see that they stand up to him. Unfortunately, this is what happens when people have supreme power, they control the legislature and the mansion. They have never been willing to hold him accountable. It is long overdue in texas. This is not a conscientious decision for a lot of people. There is a packed call defend liberty run by age Jonathan Stickel<\/a> and who has said, quote, anyone who votes against ken paxton in this impeachment is risking their entire political career and we will make sure that is the case. Of course, the wee is ten, cruz donald trump, Ronny Jackson<\/a> who used to be the white house physician. There are people saying if you impeach ken paxton, your political career as a republican in texas is over. Its a racket. No, ive got one better. Guess what, the same Pro Paxton Group<\/a> youre talking about all of a sudden they decided to start giving money to the lieutenant of governor texas dan patrick. In june. These people are so unbelievable. Lets set A Billion Bucks<\/a> to the lieutenant governor. So we can get him on our side. Thats how unbelievable they are. Let me tell you something. Those threats are actually not going to matter. The bottom line is they can see this. If im voting for it for ken paxton, i go before the voters, if im speaking as a republican, i am a conservative, this man wants to take your money and wouldnt show you how to pay for. Thats not going to fly. My friend, thank you for your clarity. We will watch this very closely. This Impeachment Vote<\/a> could happen today. Roland martin, that does it for me, thank you for watching, catch me back here tomorrow morning from 10 am to noon eastern. Dont forget, fauci is available as a podcast. Follow and listen for free wherever you get your podcast. Stay right with you, Alice Witt Reports<\/a> begins right after their quick break. Break. So big, well have you saying. Am i a big deal . Yeah you are, because its a big deal, when you get a big deal. Wayfair deals so big that you might get a big head. Because with savings so real. You can get your dream sofa for half the price. Wayfair. Its always a big deal. Wayfair, youve got just what i need ella fashion moves fast. 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