Back of the top of the hour. So with ah, [000 00 00;00] a hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered i am peter about so does what a mere potency, his Country Place in the world. At the recent meeting of the bow tie Discussion Group he did is much and much more. He critique the west in its meal liberal ideology, and he made it clear. No one can sit out the coming storm facing be international system. Ah. To discuss these issues and more on joined by my guess martin j and mera cash. Hes an Award Winning journalist, and commentator, and in budapest we have George Samuel lee. Hes a podcast at the gaggle which can be found on youtube and the locals. Are gentlemen cross up rules. In fact, that means you can jump any time you want, and i would appreciate it. Take care to start out with you in budapest, here before we talk about what Vladimir Putin had to say at the annual di Discussion Group, i was just thinking as we started here, is it so much is commented on what . Who has never said and, and very little is commented on what he actually says here. So thats my segue into his commentary. Was very interesting commentary on the west and its ideology, neoliberalism. And i think it was also kind of a sermon on how the west is portrayed the enlightenment. Youre absolutely right. Its because the way the media presented brewton speech was entirely a misleading because you like to live the way it was me to say, oh, put in 1st through down the gauntlet to the west. Well, you did not throw down any kind of a gauntlet because what he said is it, on the contrary, it is the way today that is out of sorts with the rest of the world, the west in the grip of a neo liberal etiology. And he also made clear that this 80 ology is here to largely by a kind of minority lead um that runs the west. And that hes not actually in keeping with the values of the where. So i think as you say, license i said that this west a is that goes against the traditional values of many societies around the world. And that its a very, a hostile, aggressive. He used to put a neo imperial in its arrow insistence on imposing its values. And its culture on the rest, and that is for those who do not adhere to this the neo liberal etiology, others subjected to sanctions on color revolutions, clues, and indeed bombs. And so he was saying low, you know, if the wife wants to go down this path is going to find yourself increasingly isolated from the rest of the world. So it is very much saying russia is in the mainstream in the global mainstream. It is the west that is isolating itself, so its the complete opposite from the, the way the western media presented to speed and going back to throwing down the gauntlet know, read what he had to say. Peaceful coexistence. That was the message also, you know, its when let let you know thats the way you want to do things for your society. Thats fine, but the rest of the world, they have other ideas here. And its for me, its kind of like a new oriental is ok because they, the west wants to say that it is a band in parallelism, in colonialism and all these bad things from white people in here. But actually its, its being repaired. Its go ahead. Yeah. Its been repackage, its been remodeled. I so toussant was remarkably sympathetic to the west. It was only had this in this affection for old year and that he would have likes, you know, the whole thing to go in a different direction in the last few years since ninetys when. So the unit clubs, but it didnt happen. And i think what i got from speech was a sort of a romanticism, a certain reflection on the old days and how europe in the west could have been so much more close to russia that they could have been almost done. They almost couldnt petite. The, the old empire, the imperial, a western, it has his colonial history. Illness pitied them, and i almost made the point, you know, that we didnt make a point that we are on the cusp, all the revolution and that word revolution i think resonates. You know, because when you think of revolution, you tend to think of bloodshed, you tend to think of colonial power in the invading and poor countries and setting up an administration and so forth. But thats not really what hes talking about. Hes talking about a new world, which involves what it, we should really keep calling a global self because its so much more. Its just the rest of the world. Its just not you is the rest of the, the west, you know, the west doesnt take up such a great space as people like to think of the dose of the wealth of the rest of the world is tired of this old model and feel cheated. You know, i mean, i spent a lot of my career in africa. I spent a lot of my time talking to the economist, the professors who worked behind government ministers, elena, constantly talk about this western model. America has that, you know, it comes in a offers financial assistant aid and trade user doesnt work. And then you generate to a level where countries become so or good to go to america on their hands and knees. And also, im afraid else. At this point, youre completely in americas pocket. You cant do anything. You cant breathe, you cant operate. You are basically economy. And theyre tired of this. Theyre seen this. Theyve seen that this is disingenuous. This is this towel draped. You know distasteful ideology as just ruined them. And theyve been looking for a new world order for an awful long time. But i had to say watching the speech of pitch in the couple things struck where a saudi was in remarkably good shape for a man who, according to western intelligent agencies, is bushings last days. Or if you want to believe british newspapers just 4 or 5 weeks ago, he was speculated he might be dead. And the only people we keep seeing, you know, our on our end to sort of doubles stunt doubles, you know, i mean, just the 2nd thing that struck me, i kept asking myself, i wonder how many western leaders could do that. We didnt, you know, we skeptical journalists like me, we always think of those kind of commerce as a script. Anyway, less people know the questions beforehand that happens all over the world. Thats not a russia thing. I saw that for 11 years in brussels, but a lot of it seemed to me wasnt so scripted because he, his responses were pensive at times. And he actually even contradict himself a couple of times when you actually went through thought process. So it was very impressed with that, but you know, could how many leaders could do that 3, i could buy and even do the 3 minutes. I mean, somebody would have to help by doing away from the podium only had only john, better been made to abide. Good. George, you know weve already been in touch, but i think its really important to say no one can sit out that coming storm. And when i took from that is that because the west is universalize, its so called values. Thats the storm that were all going to confront. And no one can set it out because of this. I mean the we universalist attitude is messianic and its dangerous. Yes. No question, and i think its very instructive, really, to book and speech and with the statement of jamie raskin, who was an important congressman in the United States, who essentially a holy war against russia, a century hes now well have presented russia as the great satan and that there is really no peace is possible, the great state a peaceful coexistence. This has to be a walk to the finish. And rescan is not an insignificant person in the United States. Hes a very important congressman laid Important Role in the a january. The 6th committee, and he speaks for a very substantial democrats, and the point is that this is now increasingly out the United States is a conflict with russia and there isnt really any voice in the us countering that. And so, therefore, its really west that is now declared russia to be the enemy. Why is russia the enemy and other russia equal to the United States . But russia is the leader all a Global Coalition that seeks to resist this western imperialism. The western etiology, lead weston, so values a russia, a what actually resistance you hit the nail on the head. I think thats what emerged from this conference. It was that was held in a new coalition of recalcitrant countries that were going to fight the west is just resistance is just on too many countries. A looking for some sort of leadership in the world, which opposes this usage. It had germany which we put up for so long, and some of these countries really pay enormously the price for being part of. So i think the word is resistance. I think, yeah, but to both of you, i think we can add on resistance to resistance as the resistance is because an alternative is being presented alternative, but its not aggressively, its not aggressive, you know, its on my way or the highway. I mean, thats what this is what the, how the west is universalize it. But what were, what were all talking about is that there is an alternative and it can, we want to peacefully, co exist with you as you go through your fever, georgia. Yeah, thats right. So thats what its trying to do because what the west is seeking is to impose its factors that can be no resistance to this. They can be no, im saying, well, we dont really go along with it. No, there is only one way to progress for all societies, and thats essentially what raskin was saying. He just spelled it all out. And we, and we heard this in the 20th century from so we really, really have because raskin, you know, essentially sounded like we believe bolsheviks. And therefore, you know that this is this, we are the center of the global revolution. And he said, no, the resistance. And the resistance to gay rights resistance, every motion on it all center in moscow that will, that we have to slay that a most of the rest of the world to say these are values, but the United States is not accepting of that. I mean, you know, we, we have the u. S. Embassy that regularly during gay pride models. You know, flies the, the game. Why do you think we have u. S. Embassy is that toys, murals of george troy, a career criminal, and a lifelong young kid. So this is, you know, this is, this is an accidental issue. These are the values the United States seeks to explore. Its a very extreme ideology and its totally alien to most peoples, of the whoa, yeah. And, and at the same time, we have a lead in the west that are completely oblivious because they cannot see that there could be an alternative to bear. Its, its, its a, its a cult. Its very messy on our general, and im going to jump in here. Were going to go to what youre breaking up with that jump right into our discussion. So ah, ah, who is the aggressor today . Im authorizing the additional strong sanctions. Today. Russia is the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. A number thats constantly growing. With the mind the were, were banding all imports of russian oil and gas new g. I. G with joe by imposing the sanctions on russia has destroyed the american economy. You so there is your boomerang. Ah, ah ah, ah, welcome after cross that were all things are considered. Im peter. Well, this is the home addition to remind you. Were discussing some real moves. Ah. Ok, lets go back to martin america. In light of what we said in the 1st part of the program, we can bring in ukraine right now. Or now its been what we talked about it as it was happening. There was a very early on in the conflict in ukraine, the trainings and the russian sat down on this. Them bull with ben morris, johnson showed up western pressure dont make a deal. If you make a deal, were not going to back, you know, this is for us, it is Common Knowledge and for our viewers, but thats kind of slowly seeping out over the last couple of weeks. And then why is a negotiation impossible because of the ideology of these elite, you cannot compromise this ideology. Does not allow compromise negotiations. It only wants absolute victory. It wants to vanquish, it does not. And then it doesnt except an interlocutory. That is different. It has a different point of view, has different interests mark. Im christian made that point in the speech. If i remember correctly, he said weve been trying to talk to the europeans to the west for so long. Well, a, his reply was, they simply reply with no, and i think not really sums it up and im not sure, you know, we have this incredible bigotry from the west. You know, you, you mentioned that the, they just dont seem to be able to look at any other options. It reminds me very much of being in a press conference in brussels in december 1999 when the euro was rolled out. And there was a massive fiberglass model of the euro coin. And i, european commissioner, jubilant at this a. And i, and i had mentioned not in the conference but later term. Is there any contingency plan and channel is laughter . They actually laughed at what a ridiculous question. You know that were seeing the same thing here. Now with ukraine, there are no options. There are no a, b, c. Theres only one way for the west. They dug themselves into the hall. Its the way i describe it. To people is a rich man who buyers are very expensive for painting. The more expensive to painting the less inclined to the rich man is, is to accept that its like, i think weve gone into this ideology that we can win in ukraine. But ukraine is not really the place where you need to when you finish the territory. This is one country. What we saw with the speech just the other day with, with it was, it was talking about the well and how, i think even he was surprised. But perhaps how, even though we did the russians can lose ground in ukraine. They are gaining ground play considerably around the world with dozens, if not schools, of these countries who are looking to him. I know setting up sensitive to the conference and talking about, you know, this new world. And i thought is really interesting how to putin seems to be absolutely hell bent on keeping this new association, this new condition of whether you want to call it in formal as possible. And i think this is the key, i think is the key to success because the moment you phone life is the moment you create expensive shiny offices in moscow or have a wonderful the money. I want to keep it informal because he thinks thats the way of actually bringing more countries into the field. You know, everything is hierarchical and i think thats what im, im agreeing with when you start formula. And then, and then its obvious that the neo liberal, im a leads would say, see theres are new enemy. Because if george, if you look at people that are sympathetic to what were talking about here, you know, and africa, asia, south america. I mean, none of us, none of us would foolishly say theyre all the same. No, they are not there very, very so many different variations here. And its working on their commonalities. Im having enough of western gemini as a martin that said in the 1st part of the program is that its, if you formalize it, then it looks like it, then it turns into a hierarchy and its a pecking order, and its a replication of what the, its already done, and then you and somehow it becomes an ideology. So that said that medical to what weve been, weve been hearing in the global south. I agree with martin, we got a bunch of different terms, the rest of the world. Go ahead in the rest of the world and the various institutions. Russia has been building up since the minds of the soviet union for the organization. All essentially suggest to the rest of the world. Then there are alternative forms of development. So the western powers who have the seeking, you know, hey, come on over to russia, the enemy, russia is violating the rules based on the, you know, youre going to be with us that, that isnt working for the rest of the world. You know, for one thing, they dont see russia as the enemy. Russia was, it was not the imperial power. They have experience of imperial powers. And the people who have ruled over the russian ever ruled over them. And they, you know, they will look back on a long tradition during the call will be having good relations with the soviet union. They didnt have any time for communism. But they did find that the soviet union was not sympathetic to their problems and their plight. And offered them assistance, and that is show russia enormously post cold war era. And so when barrys johnson goes to india and demands that you have to be with us, i just remind them of their old in burial now, you know, theres a, you know, reminiscent of the raj, you know, those are what we have the, you know, the British Government telling us what to do, and i think thats been very, very important part of russia, diplomacy, and extraordinary dividends. How actually the west continues to blossom at the United Nations . Essentially, its the same gang always together and the rest of all just isnt buying into it. In a martin it goes back to is a hotly debated in the seventys and the 1980s about passed to modernization. And of course there was one school of thought the going to be have true modernization it through westernization. And thats being put to the test. Right. Now, because when my demanding that it must be through a westernized, you pull in this meal liberal ideology, ok its, its much more multifaceted than that. And of course, you know, jamie raskin thats already been mentioned here. He can conceive of that. Theres only one half of development. He is truly the 21st century. Greatest bolshevik. Go ahead, mark. Yeah, nice is, is still a paneras world, isnt it . No matter how, how you look at it. If you look, look at the use talk diplomat, joseph beretta and god himself and a whole or to just roughly by talking about you as a golden person. Well, as a jungle, you know, i mean, what the hell is this guy talking about it like this kind of elitist mentality from, from the china shouldnt have any of his follow up blog job. Even deeper. Did you notice go, its just embarrassing, you know, and it just, it, when is a, is a, is a timeline. Is that a monster of the end of the west . You know, this declined urchin is talking about that. All these countries are witnesses now, you know, is that some idiotic spanish socialist says something so racist a certain that christie and certainly just like that. And you wonder why, you know that in one of these countries just look at you say were, were tired of you coming to you so much that we talk about as human rights. You know, china comes in and build schools and roads and hospitals and interests. So there is this new world world, i thought i thought it was really interesting. The most interesting question that was put to putin. I watch the whole thing was i think a chinese journalist or chinese delegate go mr. Wong. Who said, what about this new world all over . If russia is to take the lead and everyone assumes a russia will. What will the rules beef im putting really hating this question really h