Analysis are Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post, molly ball of t at listhe atlantic , radio talk show host hugh hewitt. Welcome to sunday, its meet meet. Good sunday morning, no leftovers for this show, i promise you. This is one of those moments in the president ial campaign where you realize everything is about to happen. In just the next few weeks, well see a republican debate, two democratic debates the, christmas new years break and before you know it iowa and New Hampshire will be here in early february. We begin with a question that has confound it had Political Class for month can anything stop donald trump . Even the truth . Hillary clinton, ben carson, Chris Christie have been called out for what Stephen Colbert once dubbed as truthiness. But no one has had more controversial statements questioned than the man who will join us in a moment, donald trump. The truth . You know what . He may, but hes still going to get things done. This week, donald trump appeared to do more than merely bend the truth. I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down and i watched in jersey city, new jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering. That 9 11 claim was widely debunked by city officials, factcheck. Org and nbc news. Politifact gave trump a pants on fire rating. Still, trump doubled down. They were dancing in the street and they were dancing on roof tops. Im not making that up. And Fact Checkers have not been able to stop trump from saying this again and again. Now i hear we want to take in 200,000 syrians, right . And they could be listen, they could be isis. You know 200,000 . Thats like an army. Actually, the Obama Administration plans to accept 10,000 Syrian Refugees over the next year. Do voters care . When the media asks questions about him bending the truth, whats going on in washington right now . Theres never been more truth bending in our lives. Just 19 of americans say they feel they can trust their government most or all of the time and Trump Supporters, like his overall message, even if he strays from the facts. Trump is not the only candidate stretching the truth. Ben carson said this on syria. We also must recognize its a very complex place. The chinese are there. Later, carsons campaign tried to clarify saying he meant chinese weapons and equipment were in syria, not the chinese military. Then theres Hillary Clinton and her evolving explanations about her email server. It was fully above board. The people in the government knew that i was using a personal account. But many of those people, including the president , have said they did not know she used it exclusively for government business. Just 27 of all voters and 52 of democratic primary voters give clinton a good rating on being honest and straightforward. Despite their problems with the truth, trump and clinton remain their partys frontrunners. If diogenes were looking for that honest man, once they got past Bernie Sanders in the president ial election theyd be looking for a long time. The voters cant find that honest person in 2016. Im joined on the phone by the republican president ial frontrunner right now donald trump. Mr. Trump, welcome back to meet the press. Good morning. Let me ask you about these claims this way. You demand and youve demanded of me pinpoint accuracy when i report on things about you, including, for instance, your net worth. Why shouldnt we demand the same pinpoint accuracy in the claims that you make . Isnt it hypocritical of you calling us out if were not calling you out when you stray from the truth . Well, now people have got my net worth right and theyre saying what my real net worth is for a long time. You know, as a private company they werent doing that but now theyre doing it, largely, i guess, due to the big filing that i made with the federal government, with the fec. As far as all of these claims, i believe its the obamas intention. They said 10,000 people, syrians, we dont want them because we dont know who they are and i love the idea of building a safe zone someplace in syria but they said 10,000 and yet the democratic debate they said 65,000 to the best of my recollection. Hillary said it and so did Bernie Sanders. Youre saying Bernie Sanders is so honest, i doubt that very much. But Bernie Sanders said it and hillary said it. I think they were talking in the democrat debate. I think they were talking about 65,000. I have it upon a certain amount of knowledge. Im very friendly with people on both sides that obamas plan is 200,000 to 250,000. So he said 10,000, the debate said 65,000 already before we even start and i think what he really has in mind is 200,000 people and maybe even more than that coming into our country and we cant have it. We dont know who these people are, theyre undocumented totally. And by the way, even if its 10,000, we cant have it. We cant have people coming in that we know nothing about. There is no paperwork. And for good reason. But theres no paperwork and this is going to be or has the potential to be one big fat trojan horse and we can not have that. All right, well, lets back up here a minute. Lets go to this jersey city comment. You said you saw this. Nobody can find evidence of this. And, more importantly, the article that you tweeted out that says that this backed you up, that in itself there were three or four different reports that month in new jersey that said it was a myth that was spread, that it was a false rumor, fbi, you name it. Where did you see this . Chuck, i saw it on television. So did many other people. In jersey city . You saw in the area. I also heard paterson. Ive heard jersey city, ive heard paterson, it was 14 years ago but i saw it on television, i saw clips and so did many other people and many people saw in the person. Ive had hundreds of phone calls to the Trump Organization saying we saw it. It was dancing in the streets. And, by the way, the Washington Post, now he tried to pull back, but the Washington Post reported tailgate parties and reports of tailgate parties. Tailgate parties mean, like, for a Football Game where you have hundreds and hundreds and maybe even thousands of people having tailgate parties. I saw it at the time. I stick by it. Hundreds of people have confirmed it. This didnt happen in new jersey. There were plenty of reports and youre chuck, it did happen in new jersey. I have hundreds of people that agree with you. They want to agree with you, that doesnt make it true. Chuck, you have a huge Muslim Population over there and thats fine. Thats fine. But you have a huge Muslim Population between paterson and different places in jersey city and unbelievable large population. If theyre going to be doing it at soccer games, if theyre going to be doing it all around the world that was being done, it was when the World Trade Center came down it was done all around the world and you know that because that has been reported very strongly. Why wouldnt it have taken place . Ive had hundreds of people call in and tweet in on twitter saying that they saw it and i was 100 right. Now, the Washington Post also wrote about tailgate parties. Were looking for other articles and were looking for other clips and i wouldnt be surprised if we found them, chuck. But for some reason theyre not that easy to come by. I saw it. So many people saw it, chuck. And so why would i take it back . Im not going to take it back. Just because somebody repeats something doesnt make it true. And i guess thats actually hundreds. I dont mean i had two calls, chuck. Even yesterday i was in saras a sarasota, florida, and people were saying they lived in jersey people were saying. Mr. Trump, if i say well, people have said mr. Trump is not worth 10 billion you would say that was crazy. But thats based on based on retweets and hearsay. This is much different. Youre running for president of the United States. Your words matter. This truthfulness matters. Factbased stuff matters. Take it easy, stuff, just play cool. This is people in this country that love our country that saw this by the hundreds theyre calling and theyre tweeting and theres a lot of people in sarasota, people were telling me yesterday they used to live in new jersey, they remember it vividly, they thought it was disgusting. So these are people that saw it, too. The Washington Post reported it. Other people many, many people have seen it. So i believe that i have a very good memory, chuck, ill tell you, i have a very good memory. I saw it somewhere on Television Many years ago and i never forgot it and it was on television, too. Let me ask you about your reaction to what happened in colorado. Okay. Well, i think its terrible. I mean, terrible. Its more of the same and i think its a terrible thing. And hes a maniac. Hes a maniac. A spokesperson for planned parenthood says is concerned the heated rhetoric around the planned parenthood debate could have had an adverse affect basically on this mentally disturbed individual. You think the rhetoric got out of hand on planned parenthood . No, i think hes a sick person and i think he was a probably a person ready to go. We dont even know the purpose i mean, he hasnt come out to the best of my knowledge with a statement as to why it happened to be at that location. Well, we have reporting he lived in a different area. We have reporting that he was talking about baby parts and things like that from Law Enforcement officials. Well, i will tell you, there is a tremendous group of people that think its terrible all of the videos that theyve seen with some of these people from planned parenthood talking about it like youre selling parts to a car. I mean, there are a lot of people that are very unhappy about that. Now, i know some of the tapes were perhaps not pertinent. I know that a couple people running for office or are running for office on the republican side were commenting on tapes that werent appropriate. But there were many tapes that are appropriate and in terms of commenting on and there are people that are extremely upset about it. It looks like youre talking about parts to some ma celinech something. So youre not surprised that someone might taken a extreme reaction to this . Well, this was an extremist and this was a man who obviously and they said prior to this he was mentally disturbed so hes a mentally disturbed person, no question about that. But it does sound like you understand why people might react this way . Well, theres tremendous theres tremendous dislike, i can say that. Because i go to rallies and i have by far and you will admit that, i think, but i have by far the biggest crowds, nobody even close and that includes Bernie Sanders. By the way, whose crowds are going down, down, down, like a rock ever since he gave hillary a free pass on the emails . But i see a lot of anxiety and i see a lot of dislike for planned parenthood. Theres no question about that. Is there a way you could lose this nomination and feel as if you were treated fairly by the Republican Party . Yes, there is. And theres also a way i could lose the nomination and feel that i was treated unfairly by the Republican Party. And right now you feel the Republican Party is doing what . Right now i have no opinion i just know that im winning by a lot. I really have no opinion. I have no opinion right now. I can say many, many people think im not being treated fairly. Where these guys that are down at 1 and 2 want to take negative ads. I can say fox came out with a poll where im easily beating Hillary Clinton. Im beating her by a lot and that just came out so thats a good sign. But the Mainstream Media and the republicans i have no real feeling as to whether or not im being treated fairly but i promise you i will let you know at some point. I hope im being treated fairly. Because honestly, chuck, that was my deal. My deal i signed a pledge, my deal was that i would be treated fairly and i hope thats going to be the case. Well, we are long overdue for a face to face, were putting it in the works hopefully before christmas. Mr. Trump, thanks for coming on. I look forward to it. Lets bring in panelists. Eugene robinson, andrea mitchell, molly ball and hugh hewitt, radio talk show host who has been a must stop for the republican candidates. I cant wait until you and Hillary Clinton tussle. I look forward to it. I think she ought to do it. It will be interesting. Hugh, let me get your reaction to this. You saw in the the piece, Trump Supporters dont care if he gets fact checked and dont care if the fact checks prove to be false. Trump supporters are like Lincoln Chafee blocks of granite and they are not moving easily and theyre not going to move over the 9 11 story and Fact Checkers are themselves perceived to be agenda driven in many respects and they would like to see an equal amount of time give on the Hillary Clintons claim to being under sniper fire in bosnia or trying to join the marine corps or any of her as are given to donald trump. But heres the key thing, elizabeth loftus, professor at the university of california irvine has given a talk on memory. Memory is different than facts. You cannot fact check memory. You cant crawl inside his head. But you can fact check events. The events hes talking about did not happen other than the reporter whose work he cites says they were unconfirmed reports. Gee, i dont remember anything and by the way, three weeks later the newark star ledger rereported the rumors and said it was a vicious rumor. And the thenattorney general of new jersey says, no, we checked it out, it was a false report. It did not happen. Its not only that that didnt happen. 200,000 Syrian Refugees are coming. Its not only that the facts are wrong, its that what he is saying is so emotionally and politically powerful. He is lighting fires. He is turning people against people. He is misstating the facts of whats happening domestically, whats happening with islmuslim. The kinds of facts he is misstating are so much incendiary. Heres the political genius of donald trump. What he is doing is different. All politicians say things that are technically true but a little bit misleading or a lot misleading. That i say whatever they can get away with and if theyre called on it theyll walk it back a little bit, theyll trim their sails. Truth is conditional, as we found out. Half true. Reasoning, theyll talk about the definition of is. Donald trump doesnt do that, he creates an entire alternate reality and he does not back down. He pays no price for it. Its seductive to people because its the world they want to live with. Are we living in a posttruth world in whats interesting here, what do voters want . Do they want honesty or Something Else . Let me put up two different poll comparisons that we did in our last poll about the honest and trustworthy question between trump and Hillary Clinton and the temperament question between trump and Hillary Clinton. Look at this. Trump is seen as more honest and straightforward among all voters than Hillary Clinton is. That would be quite alarming if youre Hillary Clinton. Now look at the temperament question. And this number is reverse. Its Hillary Clinton that is seen as viewed as having the better temperament versus donald trump. Peter hart contends, hugh, its better to be seen as having the right temperament than being the most honest and straightforward. I think both of those will be eclipse bid who can deliver safety. After paris, the axis of the race shifted and people are looking for who will make them safe. We mentioned in the green room, theres a New York Times piece today on libya by David Kirkpatrick and eric schmidt about the fact that libya has become isis 2. 0 and there will be another terrorist attack and if there is one in the United States like paris, whoever promises safety, regardless of their trustworthiness, regardless of anything else and can deliver wins. Well, in fact, two weeks ago here right after paris i posited that trump was going to benefit more than anyone else because he is big and strong and it was counterintuitive and i was nervous about saying it but look at the numbers. And the way carson has slid, which we can talk about. But the fact is that trump is positing that he can take care of people and raising peoples fears as you said is incendiary and i think that the fact of truthfulness doesnt matter, especially when People Like Us are the people doing the fact checking. Its funny you talk about this. Politifact put this up and i have to show you this. On the candidates that have had the mostly false or false ratings, three have had a majority of the facts that have been fact check bid politifact have been traded as false or mostly false and the top three candidates on the republican side. Carson, trump and cruz. The Fact Checkers are viewed as having an agenda so the more they say youre wrong the more the supporters say theyre right. And the Fact Checkers did fact check