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His acting career also includes performances of various characters and scenarios in more than $35.00 movies t.v. Shows and documentaries his investigative reports have been published in such diverse venue's as haunted Times Magazine Tennessee anthropologist and the on line Jura Journal para anthropology he was a university professor in Mexico for 11 years Mary Bakker Also joining us on the show is the co-director in researcher for Ghost excavations aka interpretive performance excavations and Mary creates the presentations for John Sable speaking engagements including producing and editing the short film Ghost excavation at Burnside Bridge going home after seeing the elephant welcome to coast to coast am John sable and Mary Becker thank you for joining us this evening they are you doing Hi Kay thank you it's a pleasure to have you join us here I mean I know I had a chance to chat with you on our show about 4 years ago and it's really stuck with me the ideas behind what you do and your investigative to. Meek's which I think are fascinating and I'm surprised more people have not adopted the policies you guys involve yourselves in when you investigate John let's start off with your oh quickly give me a little bit of background what drew your interest to the paranormal side of. This kind of research in archaeology if you will. Well I grew up in the northeastern Pennsylvania at a time when the and just like coal boom it had become a bust so I used to play around and all these derelict. Abandoned structures a breaker called very curious call of reason and how coal mines and created a lot of. Opportunities to imagine exactly what's going on but what went on there because I never experienced it firsthand but I mean look I mean like about 2 miles from my hometown was the largest coal breaker in the world it's still in existence today it's one big room it's a lot I was 11 stories high and we would go in there just recently we went in there . Year or 2 ago and we go in there and just me and met me and made me and Mary we went up to the to all the 11 floors and we were still getting results will energies we recorded a lot of sounds related to the technology of that time of the cold breaker we were getting audio of a machine still working we even got voice recordings of people at work so that kind of really the whole ambience of the the coal region in its final stages of destruction and and ruin kind of it's inspired me to get into archaeology and when I was right in my hometown it's very ethnically diverse so every summer we used to have all of these different festivals the Irish the Italians and the the small block the polish the list the weighing in the Greek all these different cultures intermixed in the summertime where we would have different festival so that sparked my interest and also an anthropology there is the basis for anthropology in archaeology and. In a lot of the place. That I live that I've had some experience through that kind of really. Thinking about what's really going on is there really a presence of the past that still exists especially in audio present so my focus on Ghost excavations has been on audio that survives from the past sounds that lift over the soundings of contemporary noisy contemporary sounds like still exist in specific environment that's been my focus for a for a long time now and Mary What drew you to want to experience and explore the paranormal world. Probably just always having an interest in ghosts. And I was probably like the same old story it happened when I was younger and I would see my grandmother who had recently passed now I was like 2 and a half 3 years old when she passed and my parents were as I grew older. Figure it because they. Didn't want me to be scared so then they would start telling me stories like I would tell in detail say Oh grandmamma is right here and this is what she looks like and I describe or describe in detail her clothing and whatever but then just other things kept me interested in our house even though it was built in 1962 I don't quite understand and unfortunately the house is not in our family anymore. Almost every evening I would hear footsteps going up and down the stairwell going from the basement to what was our kitchen and I don't understand it apparently my father would hear it as well and my mother I have 3 brothers not one of them ever heard. Only on my dad mom and I So that just sort of piqued my interest and just continued on from there. John I think what was so fascinating to me with the work that you were doing as well as the fact that you're marrying your 3 passions right archaeology anthropology and acting all together or the kind of research and study that you do and that really intrigued me in that work now you know one thing when you're not Jala just you go to a site you dig it up and you can find proof of this race or this. Group that existed at this point in an anthropology it's a study of the history of these different people in end times and there's proof that this exists but dealing with the spirit realm dealing with the paranormal it can be very frustrating aspect right because we don't have something we can put our hands on and show a definitive picture or proof that the paranormal exists how frustrating is that for you as a researcher well from for me it's not very very frustrating because on the last 7 years in a row now I've spoken at the theoretical archaeology group conferences and every year from that very 1st they're back in Berkeley and 6 years ago to do this you will be co-hosting a session on University of Toronto in Toronto Canada each year I see little by little archaeology is moving closer and closer and closer to the reality that there are multiple paths in the present and the traditional way of doing archaeology has changed tremendously from the time that I 1st started doing archaeology in 1969 I see more and more people becoming a tomb to especially since sensory perceptions from the past and I get more feedback more positive feedback I have not getting I've not got any negative feedback at any rate and I usually speak 2 or 3 times per for conferences in the last 6 years at the theoretical archaeology group offices which are you know based on the theory. The new theory and it varies and in archaeology and more and more I get positive feedback about what I'm trying to do but if I go to a paranormal conference I get really kind of shouted down saying you know you don't know what you're talking about what does archaeology have to do with this you know you mean you don't do this you mean you don't do you don't use the ghost Technology has no no I don't because you do that's not being content specific to the particular presences in the past that's why I manage these 3 idea of as an archaeologist I used I used to dig through layers of dirt layers of earth but as a guest excavator I go down to different layers of memory focusing focusing on particular layers of memory in a particular place I go down to that 11 particular layer of memory as the archaeologist as the anthropologist I design scenarios or storyboards about Ok What was the behavior of that time period what scenarios would be context specific that if present still exists from that time they would identify with the behavior I am now performing through the scenarios and as the actor I am earth myself in a particular character from that time period using clothing using vocabulary using audio cues anything I can think of that would directly relate to that the peculiar layer of memory the whole thing for me is the have this bundle of experience memory and remembrance so I try not to do anything that does that would disrupt. The possible interactive presence of the past I use things that these people in the past of the cuter layer of presidents how did sparing Ince so it would be part of their memory and if not my doing it it would it would provoke a remembrance on their part and they would react directly to what I'm trying to do you know I I've looked at the different aspects of the paranormal and over 12 years I've talked about the fact how my perspective on what a haunting is has shifted considerably and. When we spoke 4 years ago and we were talking about these locations like Antietam that you would go visit or Gettysburg or or this or that what i Phone was so fascinating and you kind of impressed this idea on me is that that every location. I look at is like a book right there it's been there this location has been there since the beginning of time will be there till the end of time the top cover is the end of time the bottom covers the beginning of time and all of these layers co-exist in the same spot they share this same area in time and space Yes Well yes they exist simultaneously the contemporary reality is a conglomeration of fragments traces partial racial ratios of multiple past in the present so what it is is a power saw that some things get if you resonate with what occurred in the past you don't a race what occurre