Transcripts For WTXF FOX News Sunday With Chris Wallace 2014

WTXF FOX News Sunday With Chris Wallace December 21, 2014

A cold war that lasted half a century. Suddenly, cuba is open to the world in ways that it has not been before. This president has to be the worst negotiator weve ever had, and he has betrayed, betrayed those cubans that have work sod hard and have sacrificed so much. Two members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee will debate the president s opening to cuba. Republican ron johnson and democrat ben cardin. Plus, jeb bush moves one giant step closer to running for president. How does his early announcement shift the landscape for 2016 . Our sunday group weighs in. All right now on Fox News Sunday and hello again from fox news in washington. First some breaking news. A gunman has shot and killed two new York City Police officers executionstyle after vowing on social media to retaliate for the deaths of Michael Brown and eric garner. Our fox news correspondent has the latest from new york. Brian . Reporter chris, chillingly, the killer posting images on instagram of his semiautomatic weapon and bloodstained pants with antipolice messages, suggesting the shootings were revenge for the deaths of Michael Brown and eric garner at the hands of police. Quiting, im putting wings on pigs today. They take one of ours. Lets take two of ours. Shootthepolice, ericgarner, ripmikebrown. This may be my final post. Police say this man, 28yearold ismaaiyl brinsley, walked up to an nypd patrol car in brooklyn saturday and opened fire through the passenger side window, shooting officers 32yearold wenjian liu and rafael ramos. He later killed himself in a sub straightaway station. Earlier that morning brinsley shot and seriously wounded his former girlfriend in baltimore before traveling to brooklyn, a wanted flyer sent to the nypd too late. Police commissioner bill bratton says the officers were, quote, targeted for their uniform. Today, two of new yorks finest were shot and killed with no warning, no provocation. They were quite simply assassinated. The shooting fueled tensions between nypd and new york mayor bill de blasio. New york citys Police Union Says de blasio essentially threw city police under the bus by failing to back the officer not indicted by a grand jury in the choking death of eric garner. Last night Police Officers turned their backs on the mayor moments after he visited the families of the fallen officers. We tried to warn. It must not go on. It cannot be tolerated. Thats blood on the hands, on the steps of city hall, in the office of the mayor. Reporter the president briefed while on vacation in hawaii, issued a statement urging calm while unconditionally condemning the murders. Brian, thanks for that. In other breaking news, president obama has now directly blamed north korea for the cyber attack on Sony Pictures. And he promised a proportional response. But what does that mean and how vulnerable are we to cyber warfare . Well talk with congressman mike rogers, chair of the House Intelligence Committee, in a moment. But first fox news chief intelligence correspondent Catherine Herridge brings us up to date. Reporter the sony attack is believed to be the first time destructive malware has targeted a firm inside the United States. Hackers physically destroyed data and systems. Similarities between the hack last year on south koreas banks that left many customers unable to withdraw money from atms with the sony attack led the fbi to conclude north korea was a principal in both. A Bureau Statement reads north koreas actions were intended to inflict significant harm on a u. S. Business and suppress the right of american citizens to express themselves. The president went further, saying sony was willing to pull the movie, the interview, starring franco and seth rogen, because it silenced free speech. I am sympathetic to the concerns that they faced. Having said all that, yes, i think they made a mistake. Or even worse, imagine if producers and distributors and others start engaging in selfcensorship. Reporter sonys president responded that they had not caved or given in to north koreas demands, explaining the Entertainment Company had few options after theaters started dropping out. A petition by George Clooney failed to gather signatures with the actor telling Deadline Hollywood not a Single Person in his industry would sign up. An entertainment source told fox that sony even took the film to major online streaming companies and they all refused to run the mov movie. Chris . Cathryn, thank you. Now, lets bring in the chair of the House Intelligence Committee, michigan congressman mike rogers. Chairman, welcome back. Thanks for having me, chris. The fbi used very tough language to describe this hack attack. Lets put it up on screen. North koreas attack on Sony Pictures entertainment reaffirms that Cyber Threats pose one of the greatest National Security dangers to the United States. Two questions. How serious was the attack . Do you regard this in a sense as an act of war . Well, you cant necessarily say an act of war. We dont have good, clear policy guidance on what that means when it comes to cyber attacks, but lets back up this a minute. Russia attack eed estonia. Iran attacked saudi arabia, clearly a destruction on a company there, destroyed 30,000 computers, wimed and destroyed data. We kept warning, those of us that have been paying attention to this, this is coming to the United States, probably sooner than later. What you saw was a nationstate who engaged in trying to really destroy an American Company and then took it to the broader level of using threats of violence in order to get their political will. This was a nationstate attack on the United States, and saying aloha and getting on an airplane going to hawaii is not the answer really the world needs, let alone america. All right. Well, the president has promised there will be consequences. Heres what he had to say about that. They caused a lot of damage and we will respond. We will respond proportionally, and well respond in a place and time and manner that we choose. So, how tough should he get with north korea . Unfortunately, hes laid out a little bit of a playbook before weve done anything. That press action should have been heres the actions we took on north koreas actions, and heres what were going to continue to do. Right now and trust me, our intelligence services, the folks who would be responsible for at least the first wave of trying to make sure they dont have the capability to do this again, were ready. They have the capability. They were ready to go. The problem here was not the fact that we didnt have a capability to do something nearly in immediate time. We just didnt get a decision from the president of the United States. Are you saying that we should launch a cyber attack to take out their cyber warfare capabilities . Im saying if youre talking about a proportional attack, it should be at least proportional. The United States has the capability to make it very difficult for the North Koreans to do an attack like this anytime soon. Take out their cyber infrastructure. Well, ill let you define what that looks like. They have the capability to do it. Heres the problem. So there is lots of discussions last week about what this looks like. Do you not acknowledge, do you acknowledge, take an initial step and then acknowledge . By acknowledging it and then laying out to say well do something in the future, you have diminished the capabilities we can engage in this particular you mean they can protect themselves . For a whole host of reasons i cant go into in detail, but you just limited your ability to do something. Just calling north korea out isnt going to be enough. So i would argue youre going to have to ramp up sanctions. It needs to be very serious and significant. Remember, a nationstate was threatening violence. So forget the fact that, you know, the hollywood drama of this particular event. They went into a company and they youed something called a wiper virus. They wiped out data. So if youre at home and thinking how does this affect me, this is hollywood, you know, who cares, the problem is what if its your car company that you work for . What if its a bank that you work for . Or what if its a bank that you have transactions with and that data is gone, its destroyed . Meaning i dont know how much money i have in my bank and the bank cant tell me how much money i have in the bank. Thats how serious this is. What youre saying is they took cyber action against us. We need to take cyber action in retaliation against them. Again, im not going to say exactly specifically, but i can tell you we have the capability to make this very difficult for them in the future, at least in the near term. But i dont think thats enough. This was a nationstate who attacked an American Company and then threatened violence in that second order against people who would go to the movies. Take the movie part out of it. This was the fact that they were willing to commit acts of violence or threaten acts of violence against u. S. Citizens in the United States. Thats a huge and significant problem. This is the country that tested Nuclear Weapons as late as last year. Okay. You talk about, you know, the effect this could have an all of us. The federal government is now banned from helping private companies build up stronger fire walls to prevent cyber attack. In fact, you sponsored a bill that passed the house last year that would have made it easier for the government to cooperate and deal with private companies to protect themselves against this kind of threat. It passed the house. It did not pass the senate because privacy advocates were worried about more abuses from big brother, if you will, on the internet. Question did those privacy advocates in this new world post sony, do they need to get over those concerns . I they healthy concern is a good thing. We accommodated those concerns in the bill. Thats why we got a bipartisan vote in the house of representatives on a bill that does simply this it allows the nsa and other agency who is go overseas and collect malicious source code, that nasty stuff that hurt sony, that could hurt your bank, your job, bring it back, they protect the Government Networks but were prohibited from sharing that with the private sector. 85 of all the networks out there, chris, are private sector networks, and contrary to popular belief, the nsa is not monitoring those 85 of the networks. Theyre private networks, which is why north korea can attack a company like sony. This would allow them to share malicious source code to protect themselves. We built in all the protections for civil liberties. Again, this isnt about reading your email. Its about stopping malicious source codes, zeros and ones in a configuration that do nasty things to your computer and your information and are highly disruptive. There was a different kind of terror attack this week in australia, an iranian held 17 people hostage in a sydney cafe for 16 hours before police finally stormed the place. It reminded people of the lone gunman who attacked the Canadian Parliament as well as the man in new york who attacked police there with a hostage. How big a threat are lone wo wolves, and to you distinguish between the committed jihadist, somebody like nidal hassan at ft. Hood, and some of these cases which seem to be deranged, sick individuals who kind of latch on to Islamic Teachings as a kind of cause or a script . Hard to argue youre not a deranged individual if youre willing to be inspired to chop someones head off. I dont care if youre stable one day and not stable the particular day. Same with the other lone wolves. Heres the problem. Earlier in australia, which fundamentally changed the way we saw groups like isis, isil, or dash operate, they had people identified in australia who were going to come to fight in syria. They made a really significant change. They called back and said, no, dont come, got plenty of people coming. Stay in australia, randomly kidnap people, chop their heads off, film it, and well use it for propaganda purposes. That is a fundamental change. So if theyre doing it in that case, you know theyre pushing out this notion to inspire others to commit these acts. Canada. Weve seen arrests in germany, france, spain, the United States, great britain. Its getting worse, not better. Finally, lets discuss your committees report, the House Intelligence Committee report on benghazi, which as you know has gotten a lot of criticism, including from some commentators here on fox news. The committee found, and lets put this on the screen, that no evidence that there was that either a standdown that there was either a standdown order or a denial of Available Air support to prevent rescuing u. S. Personnel. Here are two security contractors who are at the cia annex and say they were prevented from going to the consulate to rescue u. S. Personnel there. Here they are speaking both before and after your report. I said today, weve got to get over there, were losing the initiative. Bob looked at me and said stand down, you need to wait. We feel our words have not been recognized or used as validation for what took place that night. I dont know how you cannot use our words. There were eyewitnesses there. They say there was a standdown order, chairman. Why dont you believe them . Well, they were certainly clearly told to to wait. Again, they acted very bravely that particular evening. But on sworn testimony, including people who have gone on tv, its very clear that they went through the line of questioning of no standdown order. They were told to wait, which was a tactical decision on behalf of the leader to get more information about when they should go and if they can get more arms to go. And i argue thats very, very different. I think this clear, bright line people have drawn, as well, there was either a standdown order or not, in this particular case. Now, remember, we interviewed contractors who are now public. Weve also interviewed security contractors who are still working overseas who provided sworn testimony and witness testimony. And as a former fbi agent working Bank Robberies and bombings and other things, sometimes in a very highadrenaline combat environment impact, peoples version of events are a little different. The goal here was no piece of information could go forward if it wasnt substantiated or corroborated. All of that was done in the report. By the way, the report was very narrow. This was not designed to be a huge end of the conclusion. There are serious questions yet to be answered. Let me ask you about that because youve also been criticized for going easy on the Administration Talking Points in which, among other things, susan rice came on this and four other sunday talk shows saying this was a spontaneous protest that went violent, it wasnt a planned terror attack. Your report says the process used to generate the talking points was flawed and mistakes were made in the process of how those talking points were developed. Critics say that youre ignoring the fact or glossing over the fact that this was in effect political damage control in the midst of president obamas reelection campaign. Well, that part we wouldnt be able to get at because it was beyond the scope of the report. Thats whats unfortunate about this. Most of the people out publicly beating up the report have never read the report or accessed the classified annex, which is an important part of why these conclusions were come to, and the classified evidence, including some members even on the committee. Quick question. Do you think this is political damage control by the Obama Administration . Well, what i believe and what the report i want to make very clear, two separate things. Im asking what you believe. I do believe that the administration used this the way they tried to present the facts for their own political purposes. And i believe that in the state department we have very little answers on what happened in the state department. Remember, my committee was only to do the laying of intelligence on the ground. So our report only did the intelligent lane, didnt do the state department, didnt do d. O. D. , didnt but used for political advantage, political damage control . Its hard for me not to come to that conclusion. Again, my report, the committee report, was only for the intelligence. I do believe that people in the state department had not yet been held accountable, and i believe in expeditionary diplomacy, believe in putting these folks in tough circumstances. People havent been held accountable including secretary of state clinton . Well, again, the investigation needs to determine that. Thats where i think the select committee can get at. The state department, which we had no questions answered, and the white house itself and the National Security council, weve had no question of you feel there are unresolved issues. I do, yes. Chairman, thank you for coming in today. Merry christmas, and good luck with your new career where you join up and youre going to become a radio talk show host. Good luck. Thank you so much. Merry christmas to you and your family. See you on the radio. There you go. Next up, our sunday group joins the conversation about the cyber attack on sony. Plus, what would you like to ask the panel . Just go to facebook or twitter, foxnewssunday. We may use your question on the air. Sonys a corporation. Its, you know, suffered significant damage. There were threats against some employees. Having said

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