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We have endorsed Daniel Webster, but paul ryan is a good man, a great communicator, the kind of messenger our pare neither, and i think our group would look favorably on him. Were much more concerned about reforming the institution. Its about whats going to change the business as usual attitude around there, changing that is foremost on our minds. And thats what were focused on. So simplify it, one of the things youre talking about is who gets on what committee, also control over what bills come to the floor, what amendments come up, a lot of is decentral sax of power. Totally. Are you saying paul rye yarn would have to agree to that . I think the next speaker has to be committed to that. I know Daniel Webster is, but heres a great example, the Steering Committee, they decide who is on what committees, they have all the power and also dish out the punishment. Tim huelskamp, a congressman from kansas, a place where they have a bit of agriculture, was kicked off the agriculture committee, because he wouldnt do what the top people in the house told him to do. Kicked off the agriculture committee, and he has a ph. D. In agriculture policy. That kind of stuff has to stop. When you have that kind of environment, i would argue its not conducive to producing the results we told the voters we were going to go when they gave us a chance to serve them. If paul ryan wont agree, and well talk to Newt Gingrich in a moment, that considerable decentralization of power in the house, will you and other members of the caucus support him . I think he will agree to that. I think the next speaker has to agree. 60 of our voters think we have betrayed them, not disappointed, not slightly offtrack, weve betrayed them. We had need a shakeup. So i think the next speaker will want to make those kind of changes. Think about that Steering Committee for a second. On the Steering Committee, the speaker gets to vote five times. If Chris Wallace is a member of congress and on the Steering Committee, you get one vote, but the speaker gets to vote five times. Where in the world does that kind of format work . Thats the stuff that has to change. Let me ask you about the issue, because some members of your caucus are already raising questions about ryan even before he decided to run. They talk about the fact he was working at one point to try to create a compromise on comprehensive immigration reform. They say theys like boehner, in that he also would oppose measures that would end of leading to a Government Shutdown or default on our national debt. How big a problem are those positions that ryan has taken . Look, as i said before, paul ryan is a friend. I meet with him every single week. We talk about policy. I think he would be a great messenger. If he comes to our group and talks to us, i think our group might be favorable, but were not there yet. We know Daniel Webster. He took a model that he defused that kind of power and empowered the members. I think whoever the next speaker s. Paul ryan or anyone else, has to go to that kind of model. Thats the environment thats going to be most conducive to producing the results we told the voters we would do, to fighting for those republican principles that we were elected to fight for. Heres the problem, congressman. Republican establishment types call your group the hellno caucus, or the suicide caucus, and they say theyre more interested in ideological war fare than you are in governing. If i may let me just finish the question. The fact is you keep talking about the obstacles or the tests youre going to put up. Youre just 40 members of a 247member caucus at some point, dont you and your members have to bow to the will of the majority of republicans . Of course were willing to compromise, but what we need in the house, what i think the American People are demanding, what our voters are demanding is lets not forfeit for the white house before the ref blows the whistle. Lets not forfeit before the game start. Lets establish the position, come together, compromise, figure out what we can agree on and let go stand for that position, lets have the debate in a compelling way and take the case to the white house, take the case to the United States senate. Thats what our voters expect. It seems all too often we say the president is demanding this, we have to give in before the game even starts. Thats what the next speaker has to do. Thats what were pushing for. Of course we understand we have to compromise, but when we compromise to come up with a position, lets go fight for it. Finally, congressman, you are a member of the house benghazi committee, of course Hillary Clinton will testify before that committee on october 22nd, shes already attacking your committee, taking advantage of Kevin Mccarthys remarks to indicate this is all about politics. Here she is. This was set up to be a political partisan attack on me. Its really sad to me that whether its Womens Health or in this case, the death of four americans serving our countries, that the republicans in congress try to partisanize and exploit these events. First of all, how do you respond to clinton and how do you respond to in charges of a former staff member, an Army Reserve Major who says he quit the committee, because it had turned into a partisan attack on Hillary Clinton . This committee has always been about getting to the truth. The american taxpayers, the American People deserve the truth, and the families of the four individuals who gave their life for the condition that night. Those families want to know the truth. Thats what were focused on. I would say this. Since the whole email story broke back in march, we have interviewed 33 witnesses, only one of those witnesses dealt specifically with the email issue. That was the shortest interview of all, because that witness took the fifth. So we have been focused on our mission the entire time, 50,000 new documents we have received that none of the other committees got. 41 eyewitness interviews, its always been about the truth. Thats what were going to continue to do. In 30 seconds, i said Army Air Force reserve major, who says he was fired from the committee because it had turned into and he objected to the fact it had turned into a partisan attack . Thats the point im making. When you interview 33 people since the whole email scandal broke about secretary clinton and 32 of those have been about benghazi, the only one about the email scandal was the guy who took the fifth, i think that shows what we were focused on the assignment and the objective, which is to simply get to the truth. Congressman jordan, thank you. Thank for you talking with us. Thank you. Lets turn to former speaker Newt Gingrich, instrumental in 1994, in leading republicans to their first welcome back to pho when you argument do you think he could bring the House Republicans together, to get to the 217 votes that you need . I think congressman majoritien was very candid in outlining paul ryan, who would clearly be the first choice, that theres a path no ryan to unify everybody. That path has to involve significant internal reforms which dont seem obvious to the average voter, but are very central to whether or not individual members have the ability to get things done. We have gone through a period of centralization, where more and more power was residen within fewer and fewer people and they decided to deal with people with punishment. A free society is very tricky to try to govern by punishment. What it leads to is it leads to things like the Freedom Caucus. Do you think ryan should take this job . I think paul should be very cautious. Hes the most prestigious, with the best future, hes still very young. Its easy to get 218 on the first vote, then you get to keeping the government open to a continuing resolution, then you get to the debt ceiling. If youre not careful, by christmas you resemble john boehner. These things are hard. I have suggested that they actually go slower and actually have some daylong conferences and listen to each other. All 247 members won an election. All of them deserve to be heard. Your point is right, when its done, how do you form of continuing ability to get 218 votes in the house so you can in fact pass legislation that has to be passed. I want to talk to you about this decentralization of power, because at various points, you have called jim jordans caucus, the im purer than you caucus. I think you would agree, when you became speaker, you very much centralized power in the Speakers Office and in the leadership. Can the run the house if you basically say, well, the members will decide who is on the committees, the members will decide what legislation is brought up . It sounds good, but its like i dont have to tell you, its like herding cats. John boehner made it harder, as an idealist, he eliminated earmarks. You can no longer say to a member ill give you three projects for your district. A lot of those tools are gone, but youve also got to confront the example he use with huelskamp. Members have to have some sense if they win an election back home, they can bring the views of the voters and have an opportunity to bring the amendment. Committee chairmen hate this idea. They like to bring bills to the floor that nobody has the right to amend, but in the long run it builds real resentment among the members who won elections, too. Youre one of big thinkers, and i want to talk about this from maybe 30,000 feet instead of from ten. We see this antiestablishment, grassroots frustration not only in this fight in congress about who is going to control things or whether there should be as much control, but we see it playing out in the president ial state, and carson and the office holders, and their political experience almost being held as something against them. Whats going on with your party . I dont think its my party. I think its the country. 75 of the gallup poll recently, 75 of the American People says theres widespread corruption in the United States, in the government. The School Superintendent in chicago, for example, now under investigation for taking bribes. George will, a pretty solid guy, saying we should impeach the Internal Revenue service commissioner. Theres a broad sense among three out of four americans that the system is sick, yet 60 of the voters saying they dislike the leadership in congress. 2 said they strong will you approve. Thats a statistical error. So youre living in a world where i would argue the turmoil in the house is clouder to where the country is and thats why you have if the take trump, carson, fiorina and cruz, and cruz is essential an outsider, those forare 60 of the current primary vote. I think you would agree whether its in the president ial race or in the congress on the democratic side the democrats are currently winning. They bureaucracy that agree with them. The democrats are in a position where they have a president doing what they want, its natural for the democrats to be relatively comfortable. If you are a republican conservative, you wake up furious, and you wonder why your party is not doing a better job. Could we end up with the kind of ideological and organizational bloodletting that for instance the democrats went through with George Mcgovern in 1972, where you have a split within the party that the flank wins, and you end up in this case with the republicans losing 49 states . I doubt it, but you might. The reason i doubt it is i think, first of all clinton is likely to be in enormous trouble and therefore youre not in a Lyndon Johnson environment or even nixon prior to watergate, but secondly it may be, and this seems to bother washington a lot. It may be that trump and carson in particular represent a phenomenon that none of us understand. You tell me i can explain trump, because hes really noisy in an age where noise matters, but how then do you explain carson . Both are doing astonishingly well. It should be a reagan experience rather than a goldwater experience. 30 seconds left, i have to ask you about comments you made this week in which you seemed to leave the door open you would be willing to return as speaker of the house, and we have all learned this week you dont have to be a member of the house to be speaker. Are you serious . Our mutual friend sean hannity asked the question in a way that was impossible to say no. If 218 members approached you and said collectively were for you, no citizen would say i would turn that down, but the odds against that happening are enormous, totally implausible, and we are making no plans to return to capitol hill. I was going to ask you, how did calista feel when you told she broke up laughing and said that sean had mousetrapped me. Thank you for coming in. Thank you. Welcome back, and obviously well stay on top of this story. Yes. Up next well bring in the group to discuss this split. And what would you like to ask the panel . Just go to facebook or twitter foxnewssunday, and we may use your question on the air. The artificial heart, this ielectric guitarsdoers, and rockets to the moon. Its the story of america land of the doers. Doin it. Did it. Done. Doers built this country. The dams and the railroads. John henry was a steel drivin man hmm, catchy. They built the golden gates and the empire states. And all this doin takes energy no matter whos doin. Theres all kinds of doin up in here. Or what theyre doin. What the hecks he doin . Energy got us here. And its our job to make sure theres enough to keep doers doin the stuff doers do. To keep us all doin what we do. Right now, bedlam. Its a mess. Ive never seen anything like it. Republicans need to set aside their calendar of chaos, instead join us in a timetable for progress. Donald trump celebrating the turmoil in washington and House Democratic leader nancy pelosi trying to capitalize on it. Its time for our sunday group, syndicated columnist george will, susan page of usa today gop strategist karl rove, and fox news political analyst juan williams. So karl, was going on with House Republicans . Should paul ryan take the job . Will he take the job of speaker . In the immortal words of marty hug United States in the campaign its a mess, and it is a mess. Theres an inirfight, the Freedom Caucus, who you pointed out in your conversation with jim jordan reps nearly 1 out of every 6 republicans wants to run the caucus. The only way they can have influence is in the election of the speaker. You elect the rest by a majority of the republican caucus, but in order to get 218 votes, assuming democrats vote against you, you cant afford to lose 40 republicans. So will paul ryan take it . I dont know. I think there are three big considerations in miss hind and the most important is the last one. One is would had el be more effective as ways and means chairman . I dont think so you. I think you see can do more as speaker, but hi likes that job of ways and means. Could he function as speaker . It so dysfunctional you wouldnt wish this job on your worth enme, but the most important is his family, being speaker over the next year and a half he wont be back in wisconsin on the weekends. But i think at the end of the day there will be pressure for him to do so. He is the one person who can unite the disparate wings and move the caucus move forward with a conservative optimistic agenda. A lot of these people who are today critics of leadership who are soiling themselves when this guy was saying lets do something about entitlements and about the crisis and about spending. We asked you for questions for the panel, and we got this on twitter from female barbarian she writes by the time they are done with the circular firing squad, there would be no capable candidates. How do you answer her . I think paul ryan is the one person in the world who could be the speaker of this particular group of House Republicans. I just finished a book about jack kemp that was written by friends of this show. He of course was a mentor to paul rye yam. What had jack kemp have said . Count me in, send me in coach. So i believe at the end of the day paul ryan will do this, but hes in a position of such strengths to negotiate some deals going in, it will make the job more doable than it is right now. Thats the question, george, is he in a position of strength or not . At you heard jim jordan day, the Freedom Caucus isnt going to bowen say and say come on in. Theyre going to make demands. I think karl put his finger on it, which is yes, you get 218 now, but when you get to the debt limit or the budget or another issue, will you have the joets . A, i dont think so. B, i dont think thats the most