Highprofile potential target, yeah, you talk to that person. Usually close to the end. Now, the president doesnt have to talk. I imagine the president will talk because thats what he does. The president will talk. That is a perilous decision for the president and his lawyers. I dont think he can do it. I dont think that the president can sit down with muellers team and answer these sorts of questions. Why . Because hes opening himself up to other possible crimes, right . If he gets in there and they determine he isnt telling them the truth about certain things, again, it doesnt have to be about the fundamental questions as to russian collusion. It can be about almost anything. Hes opening himself up to the possibility of additional federal charges. I think that that i think he will say, maybe im wrong. I think hell say, my lawyers have told me. I want to be in there. I want to talk. And i believe that by the way. I believe donald trump wants to be in there and talk to them. I have to believe that his lawyers will tell him not to. Do you disagree . What i believe is is that the president doesnt listen to his lawyers. The president a gentleman who is a stable genius, he tells us, was listening to his lawyers, theres lots and lots of stuff he would not have said, done, tweeted. Sure. Heres a person who wants to defend himself. He does it through the platform of twitter on a daily basis. And he said he wants to talk to the special counsels office. If they make the request, or say were available for you to talk us to, it seems untenable not to do it. Let me flip it. What does the special counsel do if the president refuses to talk to them . They go on their merry way and decide to make a case or not make a case. I dont think it matters all that much to them, depending on what kinds of things theyre looking at. Usually there are two reasons you want to talk to target close to the end. One is to afford them the opportunity, them and their lawyers, to explain to you why you may have it wrong. We did that all the time. People think prosecutors have a blunderbus approach. Its an open and notorious thing that prosecutors are doing, you give them the opportunity. Why did you say this . Why did you do that . Why dont you give us your explanation . It may be the case, as dan says, absolutely correctly, that you can fall into a trap if you decide to speak and lie about it because you think youre charming enough to harmonize the disparate facts and circumstances. Thats a principle reason you talk to them. Another avenue to further the investigation. In a case like this, theyre going to have all the facts that they have. Theyre going to be interested in wanting to hear from the president if he wants to talk to him. Well see which one of you are right. Up next, are we headed to a Government Shutdown . Over trumps border wall. 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You said some kind of daca protections have to be included in the bill to keep the government open in late january. Does that mean were headed for a Government Shutdown . George, as you know, the republicans control the white house, the senate, the u. S. House. Theyll determine whether or not there is a Government Shutdown. Or not. And i certainly hope there is not a Government Shutdown. It would be a disaster for the country. But when you have a president who says, who precipitated this crisis back in september by revoking the daca provision, and now were in a position where some 800,000 young people. Young people raised in this country. Young people in school, working in the u. S. Military. Now are living in extraordinary anxiety about with whether or not theyre going to lose legal status and be subject to deportation, this is what the president precipitated. We have got to deal with that decision. What we have got to do, it seems to me is to pass the dreamers legislation that provides and protects legal status. To these young people. Later on we have to work for comprehensive immigration reform. American people want that. 77 of the American People in a recent poll suggested they want to see legal status for the young people. The American People dont want to spend billions of dollars on a wall which trump told us would be paid for by the Mexican Government which is, of course, not going to be paid for by the Mexican Government. Is there any compromise on the wall . In the past, democrats have voted to double the size of the border fence. To about 700 miles. Is there a compromise that can be worked out . Where you have increased funding for a fence. The president can call it a wall. And the democrats get daca proe teks . I dont think there is anybody that disagrees we need Strong Border security. If the president wants to work with us to make sure we have Strong Border security, lets do that. But the idea of spending some 18 billion on a wall that most people think will not do what he says it will do, does not make any sense. And by the way, george, when we talk about a Government Shutdown, the other thing that concerns me is that senator mcconnell, now wants to do away with the concept of parity, which is what we have had in four budget agreements since 2011. And what that means is, they want to spend 90 billion, 100 billion in the next couple of years on the military. But theyre ignoring the needs of the middle class. Ignoring the needs of veterans. Ignoring the needs of the people about to lose their pensions. These guys, the republican leadership, unbelievably, has not reauthorized the c. H. I. P. Program for 9 million children in the country in terms of health care or the Community Health program. We have to get priorities right. Giving tax breaks to billionaires. Throwing millions of people off Health Insurance is not what we should be doing. We have to Pay Attention to the working families of this country. We have to protect their health care. Make sure that young people are not leaving School Deeply in debt. Fund the Social Security administration. 10,000 people died last year who are with disabilities because they didnt get the kind of attention they need in processing their claims from the Social Security administration. That concerns me as well. Sounds like theres a wide gap between republicans and democrats. Its a couple of weeks from the possible shutdown. I want to ask you about the concerns raised by the Michael Wolff book. This week. And the president s response this week. Saying hes a stable genius. Do you have concerns i saw you raise your eyebrows. Do you have concerns about the president s mental stability . Are you going to sign on to the pending legislation about an Oversight Commission on the president s ability to handle the job . Im not going to look, what bothers me about this president is no so much what he says. But hes so offensive. I mean, just a few weeks ago, he attacked a United States senator with sexual innuendo. He talks about prison for his former opponent in a president ial election. This is not what president s of the United States do. But i am more worried about what this president s policies are in terms of telling the working people of this country, during his campaign that he was going to stand with them. And yet, he governs now as a representative of the billionaire class. Tax breaks for the wealthy. Cutting people off of Health Insurance. Ignoring the needs of children. Not dealing with the Prescription Drug crisis in the country that he said he would deal with. I worry about him being a pathological liar. Those are some of the concerns i have. Senator sanders, thank you for your time. Want to bring to it senator tom cotton. Republican of arkansas. You heard senator sanders call the president a pathological liar. You have seen the quotes in the Michael Wolff book, as well. But its not just those questions that are been raised this week. In the past, your colleagues, like senator corker, has challenged his stability. Lindsey graham called him a kook. Some are suggesting that behind closed doors, those sentiments are shared by a lot of senate republicans. Is that true . George, first off, thank you for having me on. Its a very common occurrence in washington to have these tellall books hit with big effect. In fact, you wrote one about the clinton administration. The difference is, your book was accurate. This book is written by a new york gossip cloumist. Columnist. Looseness with the truth is an elemental thread of the book. The media made similar claims about president s bush and reagan. They all have in common they are republicans. When i have been around President Trump, hes been active, engaged. And an event effective leader. Leading the fight against isis. Turning the economy around. You worked with the president this week on immigration. You heard senator sanders talk about the democrats demands on daca and the border wall. They wont go along with the border wall. The president says thats a bottom line demand of his. Is there a way to solve the problem . I hope so. The president has said all along that while president obama acted unlawfully giving legal status without a ruling from congress, we have been working on this. In addition to funding, we have to take steps against unskilled and low skilled immigration. Coming into the country. Like ending chain migration. Ending the diversity lottery. One of the unheralded accomplishments of the first year of the Trump Administration that gets overlooked with the growing stock market, for instance, is that wages for people who work with their hands and their feet, the kind of jobs where you have to take a shower after you get off work not before you go to work have increased at the fastest pace yet. Theres a reason for that. Its not just the growing economy. Its that this administration is getting unskilled and low skilled immigration under control. We need to continue on those efforts while finding a compromise on those people brought here as Young Children and young adults through no fault of their own. I hope the democrats will come off their unreasonable negotiating position and be willing to compromise. But you saw that response this week. It wasnt just senator sanders on the program right now. Senator dick durbin. His reaction to the 18 billion for the border wall. Hes saying its a nonstarter. Not close to a compromise at this point, are we . Well, george, as you rightly said, those are democratic demands. Not as theyre often portrayed as republicans only make demands, democrats negotiate. And senator durbins dream act would cost 26 billion according to the congressional budget office. Senator durbin should reconsider who is making unreasonable, costly demands. The southern border creates such a huge magnet for illegal immigration and crime and drugs. Are we going to have a Government Shutdown at the end of january . I dont expect to have one. I dont want to have one. But if the democrats want to shut down the government because they cant get amnesty for Illegal Immigrants, theyll have to defend that to the American People. They didnt do that last month. I suspect they didnt do it because they know that amnesty for Illegal Immigrants without any real reform is unpopular. Let me ask you about north korea. You saw the president s tweet about the Nuclear Button. Ambassador haley says it shows the president is forthright and strong. And the North Koreans are getting that message. Are you hopeful about the talks between the north and south koreans this week . George, my understanding is those talks on tuesday are primarily about the upcoming south korean olympics. I dont know if theyll go beyond that. Well see what the south koreans have to say when those talks are over. But, President Trumps statement didnt come out of the blue. Kim jongun is the one that raised the issue of a Nuclear Button in his new years day speech. For 25 years, we have sat around and allowed the kim regime to make any kind of threats they want against the United States. Donald trumps statement reiterated a point of strategic deterrence. We dont allow other countries to hold us at risk when our arsenal is the largest and the strongest in the world. There is talk that the president might ask you to join the administration as the cia director. Are you open to that . Well, george, last time i checked, the cia has a director. Hes doing a good job. Im honored to serve in the senate for the people of arkansas. Thank you, tom cotton. Wooelt be back in just win minute with the roundtable. And were back with the roundtable. Want to pick up on the conversations with the senators. Sara, let me begin with you. Because it seems like so much is going to happen in the month of january that could determine the whole course of 2018. From listening to those two senators, it seems to me that were headed for a Government Shutdown in a couple of weeks. Well, i hope not. Because i think that will be very problematic for republicans, since we control the house, the senate, and the presidency. Having said that, there is a need to get daca done. Theres broad bipartisan consensus that something needs to get done there. To me, its a recipe to put together a spending package and a broader immigration package. The president may have to back down. Not get as big of a wall or some structures. As opposed to an entire wall. But there is a formula for this to get done. For it to be, for frankly all the criticism of trump, and his fitness of office, to get through january and get tax reform. A huge piece of obamacare repealed. And significant immigration reform, thats a pretty good record. That will be the question, matt. Is either side looking for a winwin here . Or not . Is the pr